Bryan Kehl Thinks Coughlin Is Overrated, Doesn't Relate Well

...he's a never was. He carries zero credibility when critiquing the team that found his services useless.

that we gave up a pick to trade up and draft his sorry ass...

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about Kehl...

Coughlin is not a "players coach"

Kehl was never a player. Maybe Coughlin should have related to kehl...

I'm sure TC would have a completely different point of view...

And was therefore 'disliked' by the coaches.

Was still an interesting read.

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But there is some interesting info there

Not the first time it was suggested that Reese and TC don't see eye to eye on players

He was quoted as saying, "Kehl was the classic case of looking like Tarzan, but playing like Jane."

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I do not think he is good at motivating his players, or connecting with them

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he didn’t like that I often ate lunch by myself, rather than assimilate with the other players

I thought these two quotes were a little funny and maybe shows who really is the one who has a problem connecting with others.


Many departed players have given Coughlin very high praise as a man and a coach. Just recently Steve Weatherford gave him some of the highest praise I have ever heard one man give to another.

This is clearly sour grapes from a guy that I'm guessing has a hard time with self reflection when it comes to personal failures.

Wanted to be treated like Strahan while playing like Kevin Lewis.

Maybe a piece of advice for him as he continues his concrete company or enters into finance is to learn the lesson now that life doesn't work like that.

In an era where any linebacker resembling anything decent would have been glorified here he barely cracked the starting lineup. Doesn't say much about his ability.

Who?

Let me first say I had high hopes for him when he was drafted. Thought he could have pretty much been what Kennard is for the Giants now, but man was I wrong.

This sounds like the most whiney, Coach didn't hold my hand garbage I have ever read. Mr. Kehl, Coughlin told you the truth! He needed your roster spot and you certainly were not doing anything with it, so please, let it go. I feel bad that all these years later Kehl still has bad feelings that a team with a two time Super Bowl winning coach let an extremely underwhelming player go.

I don't know whether Coughlin took pleasure in cutting Kehl, but I can say for certain the fan base did. Maybe I'm a little old school, but grown men don't need to be coddled, especially if they know they are not meeting the grade. By the end of his time here, Kehl had to have seen the writing on the wall. He should have saved Coughlin the trouble and cut himself.

I'm amazed at the continued blah blah blah of Coughlin can't relate. Meanwhile the 69 year old spends his offseason learning way to relate to millennials.

but come on, this isn't the first time we've heard these sort of complaints. I wouldn't dismiss this altogether. I always suspected there was a bit of a disconnect with TC and Reese.

In comment 12535330 ron mexico said:

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But there is some interesting info there Not the first time it was suggested that Reese and TC don't see eye to eye on players

I think there might be a little something to that...

that's your opinion man.

In comment 12535330 ron mexico said:

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But there is some interesting info there Not the first time it was suggested that Reese and TC don't see eye to eye on players

Most of the NFL's very greatest coaches had players that didn't see eye to eye with them. Guys like Lombardi, Shula Landry, Noll, are almost famous for it and the list goes on and on. Matter of fact find me a coach who sees eye to eye with every player he has coached and I'm guessing he is a loser.

to admit the stop shaving your chest comment was funny and a little weird by Coughlin if true.

In comment 12535350 jtfuoco said:

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to admit the stop shaving your chest comment was funny and a little weird by Coughlin if true.

Maybe Coughlin isn't into his LBs trying to have the chest of a male model...just sayin.

I don't this it was about his shirts. It was about him being a pillow

In comment 12535353 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I don't this it was about his shirts. It was about him being a pillow

ding ding ding!

unlike most, I like hearing opinions from various perspectives. You can take it or leave it without shiting on them although there is some validity in some of the stuff posters have said. None of us including Coughlin or Kehl is above any criticism. To me it is good to hear what someone perceives rather than the 95 percent of interviews which are worthless and simply saying the right thing.

Simple answer...he doesn't.he even says "my theory is....". He's simply throwing shit at walls trying to make any excuse in the world as to why TC didn't like him.

I'm sure TC and Reese don't agree on every single player or decision. That's pretty freaking normal. Who the hell ALWAYS agrees? I'm not sure why people find that all that interesting, but either way, Kehl sound like he made all this shit up in his little brain. Not much of this story sounds realistic, to be honest. TC didn't like his pink shirt? Or him shaving? What was the context when TC said something? He was prolly busting his balls but Kehl couldn't handle it. He seems kind of sensitive.

wore pink shirts and shaved his chest daily. I think.

In comment 12535367 Rich in L.A. said:

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wore pink shirts and shaved his chest daily. I think.

Dick Butkus is a pussy.

And I recommend if you haven't, click on the link. This guy continues his rant in that article, and Spags is his target.

I had to laugh at the part about Kehl and Jacobs racing, and TC stops them and yells at Kehl for running but doesn't say a word to Jacobs. Then when TC was done yelling at him he shouted And stop shaving your chest!". Haha, now that's funny

people are so quick to judge others - pshhh, he sucks. sour grapes. etc. it's a tough business but listening to a former player's perspective isn't something we all need to pile onto or shout down.

I want to see two lines - one of the guys who couldn't stand him, and one of the guys who'd throw themselves on a grenade for him.

I think we know which line will be longer.

I believe HOMO would be the proper label here. No one has stated it as yet, but I believe it is a bit over due. I can sympathize to a degree. It would be a lonely locker room for the guy. Sour grapes..definitely.

His coach's requests for hitting blockers were not his preference:

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Spags liked me about as much as Coughlin. They both want a linebacker who runs into blockers. That is not my preference. If I can go around him and still make the tackle, I will. Some running backs juke…some run people over. Preference. When I got playing time on Defense, in both NY and STL, I always made plays. But, Spags didn’t like how I did it….hence, I was benched by him in NY as a rookie, and benched by him twice in STL.

Al - I'm glad you learned something from this guy -- he sounds like a real malcontent - and I'm sure that his perspective is a valuable lesson in what not to do or say when your coach requests something - LoL

find it's way in front of Brian Kehl. Who's next, an exclusive with Rod Babers?

this was the best line of the interview:

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I was glad to get a fresh start somewhere else. Until I found out I was going to St. Louis.”

I don't it's relevant to winning. I believe there would be a long line of "he was a good coach but not someone I would want to hang out with"

The only intriguing part was about the possible split between Coughlin and Reese over the type of players they like to draft


You can tell when somebody didn't want to hire you but was forced to. I've been in that situation at a job. It's easy to detect.

Ironically enough, what Kehl misses is that Coughlin was right about not drafting him. He was not worth the pick or the trade up

In comment 12535378 mattlawson said:

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people are so quick to judge others - pshhh, he sucks. sour grapes. etc. it's a tough business but listening to a former player's perspective isn't something we all need to pile onto or shout down.

Because he comes across as a giant pussy, as someone else said. He takes no responsibility for the relationship and throws TC under the bus in the process. It's chicken shit stuff. If he wants to talk about his relationship with TC and Spags, fine. But instead he acts as though the entire locker room feels the same way he does.

Fuck him.

Maybe nobody stated it as yet simply because nobody else's mind went there.

...that led to a blocked punt against Carolina? I think that was the last straw for him.

Draft picks aside, Kehl cost the Giants a lot of cap space. If he hadn't sucked, the team wouldn't have needed to throw all that money at Michael Boley.

In comment 12535385 gidiefor said:

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His coach's requests for hitting blockers were not his preference: Quote: Spags liked me about as much as Coughlin. They both want a linebacker who runs into blockers. That is not my preference. If I can go around him and still make the tackle, I will. Some running backs juke…some run people over. Preference. When I got playing time on Defense, in both NY and STL, I always made plays. But, Spags didn’t like how I did it….hence, I was benched by him in NY as a rookie, and benched by him twice in STL. Al - I'm glad you learned something from this guy -- he sounds like a real malcontent - and I'm sure that his perspective is a valuable lesson in what not to do or say when your coach requests something - LoL

Actually I said I listened. I did not say I learned. Pretty much the same as I like to listen to various opinions on BBI.

In comment 12535387 AP in Halfmoon said:

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I don't it's relevant to winning. I believe there would be a long line of "he was a good coach but not someone I would want to hang out with"

Coughlin is three times older than some of his players - it doesn't shock me that he doesn't relate to some of them as "friends." It would actually shock me if he was even trying to.

If you went to another team and actually did something. But this guy bounced around and had a few of the worst teams in the NFL cut him after he left NYG.

how did those coaches in WAS and STL relate to you?

A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.

There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.

The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.

Jeez. I haven't thought of him in awhile. What a bust.

I have a feeling players like Strahan, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Pierce, and Kavika Mitchell would all completely disagree with Kehl.

Why anyone should care about Kehl's opinion of the coaching staff is beyond me.

Coughlin was probably yelling at Kehl for running because Kehl was always hurt and he was afraid he'd miss even more time with one of the Giants infamous hammy or calf strains.

He praises Coughlin for being good at important parts of coaching and then says his weakness was he didn't like me .

Probably 20 others who would gladly fight for this coach. Sour grapes that's for sure. Beason apparently loves TC and so do many others on this team. You don't win 2 Super Bowls by accident! Bit overrated?! Really!

and there the story ends...

we took two; Kehl in the 4th and Goth in the 5th. Well it looks like we got one finally in Kennard (5th round). Sounds like sour grapes to me.

And not much else.

my father (passed in 1999). Old school, never show certain emotions, by the book, etc.

What did Kehl expect? A coach that was more like a good buddy? Fassel left after the 2003 season.

Too bad for Kehl. He was a damn good football player but like 99.9% of the population, he wasn't good enough for the NFL.

Writes as if English is his third language. Holy cow. I guess ESNY doesn't emply editors.

Give that man an extension

draft, as I recall, same as with Landon Collins, except back then I think Day had Rounds 1 - 3. Draft pundit Gil Brant, Dallas' former director of Player Personnel, was in love with the pick at the time, saying he was a steal.

just to add some color, during Reese's barren years

made a nice pick in Pittsburgh in 2008. And that was pretty much all he did.

I find it strange that he blames Coughlin for not liking him (he mentioned shaving his chest a couple of times) and how he was not liked from the get go by him. And then he goes to St. Louis as a free agent and then said Spags didn't like him either. But if Spags didn't like him, he wouldn't have signed him in the first place. And he went on to say that he didn't play the style they wanted from LBs to take on blockers rather than go around them. It sounds like the problem is Kehl wasn't good enough and the coaches soured on him when he didn't play the physical football that they were looking for.

never saw Tom wearing those 2 Sb rings I guess.

Both SB's. It's funny how we always say..."once a giant,always a giant"

I don't feel that way about this guy at all.

On another note....I wonder which players Reese and Coughlin may have disagreed on over the years and the outcomes of their careers with The Giants.

As one of his guys.......that's why he is not here.

During his NFL tenure he played for four head coaches. Coughlin started him in a game three times, one other coach (Spags) started him two times and the other two coaches never saw fit to star him for any games. Clearly Coughlin had it in for him.

Why does a guy shave his chest? Is it a fashion statement? I don't get it. But then again I don't get why OBJ covers himself in tattoos and styles and paints his hair. I guess it makes them metrosexual, but what's the attraction? Who are these people trying to impress?

In comment 12535491 Milton said:

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Why does a guy shave his chest? Is it a fashion statement? I don't get it. But then again I don't get why OBJ covers himself in tattoos and styles and paints his hair. I guess it makes them metrosexual, but what's the attraction? Who are these people trying to impress?

I imagine that some women like that look.

In comment 12535385 gidiefor said:

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His coach's requests for hitting blockers were not his preference: Quote: Spags liked me about as much as Coughlin. They both want a linebacker who runs into blockers. That is not my preference. If I can go around him and still make the tackle, I will. Some running backs juke…some run people over. Preference. When I got playing time on Defense, in both NY and STL, I always made plays. But, Spags didn’t like how I did it….hence, I was benched by him in NY as a rookie, and benched by him twice in STL. Al - I'm glad you learned something from this guy -- he sounds like a real malcontent - and I'm sure that his perspective is a valuable lesson in what not to do or say when your coach requests something - LoL

At least Kehl is honest about how he refused to take on blockers at the POA - which is pretty much precisely why he stunk, despite his outstanding combine athleticism. Guy just wasn't a FB player, and TC knew it the minute he saw this pussy's shaved chest....

Where TC was wrong though was that Kehl still wouldn't have hit anybody even if he grew a sasquatch shag on his pecs.

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In comment 12535491 Milton said: Quote: Why does a guy shave his chest? Is it a fashion statement? I don't get it. But then again I don't get why OBJ covers himself in tattoos and styles and paints his hair. I guess it makes them metrosexual, but what's the attraction? Who are these people trying to impress? I imagine that some women like that look.

No doubt some men too.

In comment 12535491 Milton said:

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Why does a guy shave his chest? Is it a fashion statement? I don't get it. But then again I don't get why OBJ covers himself in tattoos and styles and paints his hair. I guess it makes them metrosexual, but what's the attraction? Who are these people trying to impress?

I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in joining me for my next ball waxing?

Of guys thinking they're more important than they are. Can't be my fault I sucked, so let me blame someone else. Strange new thing that seems to be creeping into this world. Not just in sports either.

so I'm not wearing a pink shirt...Yes that's neantheralizistic. But I'm not wearing a pink shirt if I want to make the team. In a time when wearing a pink shirt meant you wear pink shirts.

so I'm not wearing a pink shirt...Yes that's neantheralizistic. But I'm not wearing a pink shirt if I want to make the team. In a time when wearing a pink shirt meant you wear pink shirts.

In comment 12535482 steve in ky said:

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During his NFL tenure he played for four head coaches. Coughlin started him in a game three times, one other coach (Spags) started him two times and the other two coaches never saw fit to star him for any games. Clearly Coughlin had it in for him.

Even more Steve, TC did his damnedest to find this turkey s starting spot on both the strong and weak sides. Even Mike IIRC, although they drafted Goff the same year. Whom TC liked.

And who could and would blow up a lead blocker at the POS.

TC is not a player's coach from the guy who eats lunch by himself and doesn't assimilate. Kehl is not a player's player.

... I think it said more about the player than the coach, but I liked reading it. Most often, I came down agreeing with TC actually, except the shave the chest part, I mean who cares. I suppose TC is a bit of an old fart...

A question, can someone that actually knows something comment on the idea of running into versus around opposing players in the full article. Kehl (sp?) was pissed because he figured he know better than Spags who was shortening people's careers. I thought that was a substantive point but I did not understand it.

DQ

not that it matters, but Goff played MLB and Kehl on the outside, Certainly, a strange riff to be coming out now.

who never was successful and who has been out of football for a while. Then you ask him what he thinks about a coach who's won two Super Bowls.

In comment 12535513 BigBlueShock said:

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I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in joining me for my next ball waxing?

Ball waxing I can understand because it makes it easier on the chick going down on you, plus shaving your pubes makes your dick look bigger.

talking to players he is pretty funny to me. Seems to have a natural conversational tone with players. I think Kehl is full of shit.

In comment 12535382 Tark10 said:

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I believe HOMO would be the proper label here. No one has stated it as yet, but I believe it is a bit over due. I can sympathize to a degree. It would be a lonely locker room for the guy. Sour grapes..definitely.

Well, yeah, that is sort of the elephant in the room.

The didn't-like-my-pink-t-shirts, didn't-like-me-shaving-my-chest thing almost certainly implies that TC thought Kehl was gay. And for a man of Coughlin's background and age, it's hardly surprising that he didn't relate to, or like, a man who 1) avoided contact, 2) made metrosexual style choices, 3) held himself apart from the other guys and 4) may have preferred sex partners with external genitalia.

I'm in the NTTAWWT camp, and statistically I guess that makes me unusual for a man my age (56). But I've been around show business since I was a teenager. I'm used to gay guys. But Tom's older, he's a former jock, very (small-c) conservative, a religious Catholic, and a football coach, and an admirer of the military. That's not a background that would teach you to be tolerant of LGBT people. You'd have to choose to be. The world has changed a lot in the last few years, maybe he's made that choice. But I bet not. I'm not saying it's okay to be homophobic, but it's hardly surprising for a football coach of TC's age. As someone once said: Social progress moves by hearse. My daughter's in high school, it's not a thing for her. A lot of players today don't care if a teammate is gay. But their 60+-year-old coaches almost surely do.

On a related topic: We're always complaining about all the Giants' injuries. It seems to me that there might be a connection between seeking contact and getting hurt. I think that when TC does connect with his team and players, as happened in the two playoff runs, they really do play with great passion and unity. "Throw your heart over the wall and your body will follow," or whatever the quote was. But if you play that way all the time, aren't you risking injury? And wasn't that part of the knock on him from his Jacksonville days? That he pushed his guys to play injured, and their careers were shortened as a result? He likes a certain kind of stoic machismo and Kehl clearly wasn't that kind of guy.

In comment 12535502 BlackLight said:

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I imagine that some women like that look.

I'm sure that's true, but I don't understand why. It just seems unmasculine to me when a guy is obsessed with his appearance.
Would you just watch the hair!? - ( New Window )

In comment 12535330 ron mexico said:

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But there is some interesting info there Not the first time it was suggested that Reese and TC don't see eye to eye on players

As an evaluaor of playing talent, I'll take Coughlin over Reese and Co.

that a pro football player complained that he didn't follow the technique instructed by his coaches.
The technique fits the scheme. Technical breakdowns lead to scheme breakdowns.

I'm an old fart. I don't like homosexuals...is it ok if i like me for not liking homosexuals. I am un-ashamed, un-repetent, in-corrigible.

I mean in a time when anything goes why doesn't that go?

... all he had was one play vs Pittsburgh to his NFL resume. He's just mad because he didn't make it.

In comment 12535578 grizz299 said:

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I'm an old fart. I don't like homosexuals...is it ok if i like me for not liking homosexuals. I am un-ashamed, un-repetent, in-corrigible. I mean in a time when anything goes why doesn't that go?

It's when the beliefs get translated into actions that there's a problem.

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Spags liked me about as much as Coughlin. They both want a linebacker who runs into blockers. That is not my preference. If I can go around him and still make the tackle, I will. Some running backs juke…some run people over. Preference.

See, this just sounds like Kehl admitting that he wouldn't stick to his assignment.

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When I got playing time on Defense, in both NY and STL, I always made plays.

Also...really?

because instead of shedding blockers, he sticks to them all the way down field. I always thought you wanted your defenders to shed them. Interesting.

In comment 12535629 an_idol_mind said:

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Quote: Spags liked me about as much as Coughlin. They both want a linebacker who runs into blockers. That is not my preference. If I can go around him and still make the tackle, I will. Some running backs juke…some run people over. Preference. See, this just sounds like Kehl admitting that he wouldn't stick to his assignment. Quote: When I got playing time on Defense, in both NY and STL, I always made plays. Also...really?

He was soft and wants to say it's only because of preference.

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When I got playing time on Defense, in both NY and STL, I always made plays.


Name one play he ever made.

if this guy played the position better and got his ass to meetings on time I doubt TC would give two shits if the dude's fucking shirt was pink.

and that last sentence makes him sound like a self-entitled prick. I'm not a huge Coughlin supporter but I like the guy and I love what he has done for the team over the years. But I don't see how he's overrated. If anything, you can say he's underrated because he's a multiple Super Bowl winning coach and he deals with "fire him!" comments every single year. Even if this year's team makes the playoffs and gets knocked out, plenty of people will be saying to move on from Coughlin. Which isn't fair at all but that's what he has to deal with.

"Who the fuck is Bryan Kehl?"

But then I remembered and thought, "Oh ya! That one shitty linebacker who used to play for the Giants."

Man. To have sand in your vagina for that long means he must have a pearl or eight to cash in.

A fringe player who felt others should change everything for him. The coaches should've structured the entire program around this guy. Kryan Behl. What reporter would really give this guy a moment of their time?

should have changed his style to suit Kehl rather than the other way around. Yeah, that's the ticket.

This putz had some "raw potential" and ended up wasting a 4th rounder, which has become common. Tom knew from the beginning that this guy sucked.

who also didn't like Coughlin. No coach (or leader in any profession) is universally beloved. Plenty of guys respected, but hated Parcells too

But not sure why some reporter felt compelled to stick a mic in the face of a JAG like Kehl to ask him about it. Who cares.

sour grapes.

The only LB who thought you had to backpedal to make a tackle!!
Hey Bryan STFU and play the game oh wait he can't cause he sucked!

how he felt about him initially. He's a professional coach whose livelihood is dependant on how players play. I guess Kehl played for some other coaches who failed to properly motivate him too. If only someone could properly motivate him he'd be a Pro Bowler! STFU.

In comment 12535789 mfsd said:

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who also didn't like Coughlin. No coach (or leader in any profession) is universally beloved. Plenty of guys respected, but hated Parcells too But not sure why some reporter felt compelled to stick a mic in the face of a JAG like Kehl to ask him about it. Who cares.

Actually I stand corrected, it was Twitter by Kehl, not a reporter asking him

So in other words, it's just sour grapes from some jag who never amounted to anything in the NFL

and twice wanted to cut Victor Cruz.

So Coughlin is human and makes mistakes and as all humans, likes some people and dislikes some people.

And the crowed come out like little kids.... "my Father is bigger than your Father " and so on.

Why the hate for Kehl and love for Coughlin ?

Kehl just saying what happen as he saw it, and yes, there is a Coughlin side as to what happen.

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and twice wanted to cut Victor Cruz. So Coughlin is human and makes mistakes and as all humans, likes some people and dislikes some people. And the crowed come out like little kids.... "my Father is bigger than your Father " and so on. Why the hate for Kehl and love for Coughlin ? Kehl just saying what happen as he saw it, and yes, there is a Coughlin side as to what happen.

The Kehl side of it loses all credibility when he attempts to claim that "all he did was make plays" he didn't. He washed out of the league.

In comment 12535578 grizz299 said:

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I'm an old fart. I don't like homosexuals...is it ok if i like me for not liking homosexuals. I am un-ashamed, un-repetent, in-corrigible. I mean in a time when anything goes why doesn't that go?

this doesn't go because being gay doesn't automatically imply a whole other set of things. i know many gay people. i know gay men and gay women. i've had multiple gay bosses. one of my close friends, at times best friends, who grew up with me in high school and college and was my housemate throughout school... always getting in fights, snowboards, dated multiple girls, ended up being gay. it took us all by surprise, but none of us gave a shit, cause he's still the same guy.

according to your philosophy, without knowing the first thing about him, you un-repentantly don't like him for something that doesn't define who he is.

it's an archaic way of thinking that really needs to die out ASAP.

kehl seems like a smart guy, but very obviously bitter. i don't doubt that there may be players and coaches who clash on an individual basis, and i wouldn't be surprised of coughlin and kehl did, but for him to trash spags like that and blow up couglhilns spot when they're the only guys who ever gave him a start or played him extensively is just sour graps.

sounds like he has an axe to grind, but definitely an interesting article to say the least.

not only doesn't define who he is, but not in his control.

really a loathsome, ignorant viewpoint.

LOL @ Kehl saying he always made plays when on the field. WTF? Delusions of grandeur there

1. Casual attire (hue)
2. Chest hair (volume)

...along with a few other things that every NFL coach wants to see from his team.

Got it.

have you ever had to work in sweat a single day in your life?

In comment 12535433 TMS said:

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we took two; Kehl in the 4th and Goth in the 5th. Well it looks like we got one finally in Kennard (5th round). Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Goff not Goth eventually became our starting Mike LB. As opposed to Kehl, Goff right off liked hitting people and was our KO coverage wedge buster (back when you could form a wedge in front of the KR) as a rookie until he busted a vertebrae. Came back in year 2 and was on the way to becoming an above average NFL MLB when he wrecked his knee, unfortunately. Very similar athletes, totally different football players.

but that doesn't mean he can't be petty about certain things. We're all capable of that kind of behavior. Sour grapes or not, if the little petty things he said happened DID happen, so what? Coughin isn't a friggin' saint. He's human like the rest of us and capable of unpleasant behavior sometimes. That Kehl wasn't a player doesn't change whether Coughlin behaved like that.

In comment 12535567 Milton said:

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In comment 12535502 BlackLight said: Quote: I imagine that some women like that look. I'm sure that's true, but I don't understand why. It just seems unmasculine to me when a guy is obsessed with his appearance. Would you just watch the hair!? - ( New Window )

Hahaha...so guys, who play one of the more violent sports in the US, who are at the peak of their physical conditioning are unmasculine because they don't like to have hairy chests (which many women do not particularly enjoy), love to express themselves with ink, and have hairstyles that stands out? Right...

that made Kehl look bad.
No one gives two shits what your preference is in how to approach a blocker. They want you to stay in your run lane and if that means stiffing the blocker, so be it. Going around blocks just opened up a lane.

Sounds like a pussy to me, but I like pink shirts which makes me worry a little.

In comment 12535849 Montreal Man said:

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but that doesn't mean he can't be petty about certain things. We're all capable of that kind of behavior. Sour grapes or not, if the little petty things he said happened DID happen, so what? Coughin isn't a friggin' saint. He's human like the rest of us and capable of unpleasant behavior sometimes. That Kehl wasn't a player doesn't change whether Coughlin behaved like that.

True, but it can slant one's perception

he prefaced the comments with the statement - "Coughlin is an excellent coach"

Strange he doesn't see a problem with avoiding blockers.

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he prefaced the comments with the statement - "Coughlin is an excellent coach" Strange he doesn't see a problem with avoiding blockers.

I'd guess it's because he was faster than most in HS and college and he could get away with it. That's doesn't transfer when you play against better players.

Each level you move up in football means your technique has to improve. What you can get away with in HS, gets you beat in college and etc..

probably felt good about getting that off his chest, but I think he's under the false impression that the piece will say a lot about his former coaches, when in reality is says more about him.

He seems very unaware of the realities of the NFL.

HOW ON EARTH WOULD A COACH LIKE COUGHLIN KNOW KEHL SHAVED HIS CHEST?

No way TC is asking him grooming habits, no way.

Because he was doing it in public at the team facility!

That's why Coughlin knew about it.
That's why Kehl sat alone and not with team mates
That's why he weirded everyone out and couldn't bond with the team

Dude was shaving his chest in the locker room... Finkle is Einhorn!

everyone thinks he sucks.

The whole avoiding blockers thing is comical. If you avoid a block and make the tackle that's fine. But, sometimes when you avoid a blocker you are essentially letting them block you without touching you.

Would let JJ Watt wear all the pink shirts he wanted

Why is anyone interviewing Bryan Kehl in the first place? Hey, let's get Phil Dillard's reaction to this! Make it a series of interviews with failed Giants LBs.

to Coughlin's defense.

Its like the 7-year old boy next door picking on your son that is home from college...

But his perspective is valid. They preferred Goff who was drafted round later. Goff took on blocks and was better against the run. He also went on the IR with a serious neck injury.

Coughlin and Reese weren't on the same page here, and its a big problem. Its a waste of a pick.

But if Spags felt the same way, why did Kehl wind up there? Doesn't make sense

In comment 12536014 Greg from LI said:

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Why is anyone interviewing Bryan Kehl in the first place? Hey, let's get Phil Dillard's reaction to this! Make it a series of interviews with failed Giants LBs.

Looks like a low-level local sports blog trying to get a story.

and Coughlin is the one who can't relate? Hmmm

Someone who never measured up because they didn't have the heart or desire or work ethic, and blaming it on someone else.

Just have to shake your head.

And some extremely weird people. Very bright, very creative - but 'normal' wasn't what you'd use to describe them.

I had one guy who was convinced I hated him because he was weird. He listened to strange music, he had oddball hobbies, completely kept to himself. During a midyear review, he divulged to me that he was on to me, that he knew I felt that way about him.

Except that just about everyone in that group could have been described the same way. I didn't hate him, but he was the least productive member of the group. Came in late, left early, was constantly missing deadlines. When I told him that, he just reinforced his earlier statement; you just don't like me.

Sometimes people just don't have the capacity to see what they're doing wrong and change, and just have to project on everyone else around them.

thought so.

tool

Pink shirts and shaved chests? Seriously? Anyway, if Kehl is gay, he has gone to extreme - and fairly archaic - lengths to cover his tracks.


Using a wife and kids as a beard is so 1957. But that teal polo is giving him away.

Kehl simply wasn't an NFL linebacker. He started out as a 24-year-old rookie because, like a lot of BYU players, he took time off for missionary work. Older draftees have one significant advantage: they enter the League more physically mature than typical rookies. Kehl negated that advantage by avoiding contact.

I always thought he was best suited to a Tampa-2 - either running sideline to sideline from the WILL position or possibly using his deep range from the MIKE spot (a stupid idea, considering his aversion to contact). As it turned out, he had the mindset of an oversized DB. And when the Giants actually brought in a defensive coordinator from a Tampa-2 heritage in 2010, Kehl bombed even worse than he had under Spagnuolo and Sheridan.

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man, I feel bad for people, who have to shave their chests (and their backs). Must be a total pain in the ass.

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man, I feel bad for people, who have to shave their chests (and their backs, and their face). Must be a total pain in the ass.

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man, I feel bad for people, who have to shave their chests (and their backs). Must be a total pain in the ass.

Haven't tried myself, but if shaving your chest is a pain in the ass you're probably doing it wrong.

on the Giants who seem to be running directly into the guy assigned to block him. It seemed to me to be a very ineffective technique, and I've wondered if they've been coached to do that.

What this interview has made me think about is how the guys who are getting playing time are guys who like to hit. The guys who are willing to take on blockers, particularly in the run game, hold their point, and fight to shed their blocks when the runner approaches. I understand why it should be coached and played that way. What I haven't thought about is that the guys who excel in that direction might be more willing to take on a blocker when they are blitzing.

Also, we've been critical of the Giants ability to find LBers who can play the game. Maybe it's not a problem of finding backers, but a choice to ask these guys to play sound, disciplined defense. The kind of defense that doesn't allow a player to make flashy plays from time to time, but puts them in position to gang-tackle a guy at the line for minimal gain. We sure seem to find a lot of those kinds of guys.

Thanks for sharing the link.

And FWIW, I'm pretty sure Kehl isn't gay, NTTAWWT.

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he prefaced the comments with the statement - "Coughlin is an excellent coach" Strange he doesn't see a problem with avoiding blockers.

Bc4life, I guess you're in the "I didn't mean it in a bad way" camp! Lol!

Tough shit, when you're employed and well paid it's on YOU to assimilate and perform.

That when I first read the post, I said to myself who?

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man, I feel bad for people, who have to shave their chests (and their backs). Must be a total pain in the ass.

Especially the female posterswho need to.

I think that says more about him than any petty bullshit he wants to bring up about the Giants two-time Super Bowl-winning head coach

Much to say for a guy who is a FA LOL

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I think that says more about him than any petty bullshit he wants to bring up about the Giants two-time Super Bowl-winning head coach

Must be a lot of coaches don't like pink shirts.

some less obvious than others.

Every time the issue of whether Coughlin is a "player's coach" comes up, I wonder what we're talking about. With a couple exceptions (Plax comes to mind) Coughlin has been consistent in his demands that players be hard working, accountable, and buy completely into the team concept.

If a guy isn't a "Coughlin player", then I don't want him on the team.

It makes me think of what's happening in Philly with Chip Kelly and players bitching. He's your fucking boss. Do what he says.

I think 'relating' to players is wildly overrated and a sort of silly criticism of coaches.

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When the Giants cut me, it was as if Coughlin jumped at the chance to get rid of me. Our last meeting, rather than tell me it was a tough decision, or a result of the numbers, or blah blah blah, that coaches tell players when they cut them (I was cut elsewhere, and we’ve all seen hard knocks) he just frankly said “we need your roster spot, and I’m not going to go over your short comings.”

It's not show friends, it's show business, guy. Take a walk.

Maybe the cuts are handled differently on Hard Knocks because they know they're being watched?

It's a 1% job for the top 1%.

In comment 12536587 BrettNYG10 said:

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I think 'relating' to players is wildly overrated and a sort of silly criticism of coaches.

I would think the massive success of a man who communicates mostly by muttering and scowling would back up your statement.

have said he's actually a real personality when he's not doing the press conferences. Wish we could see behind the scenes.

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In comment 12535567 Milton said: Quote: In comment 12535502 BlackLight said: Quote: I imagine that some women like that look. I'm sure that's true, but I don't understand why. It just seems unmasculine to me when a guy is obsessed with his appearance. Hahaha...so guys, who play one of the more violent sports in the US, who are at the peak of their physical conditioning are unmasculine because they don't like to have hairy chests (which many women do not particularly enjoy), love to express themselves with ink, and have hairstyles that stands out? Right...

C'mon, RC, you can read better than that. I didn't say that Kehl and OBJ were unmasculine, I said that I considered shaving your chest and caring so much about your hair is unmasculine. You can take the most masculine man in the world, but if he likes to wear dresses and stiletto heels, he is expressing his feminine side. And obviously there are chicks who dig it, but I just don't understand why.
"You know kid, somewhere's in life you got turned around, it's her job to smell nice for you." - ( New Window )

on this topic, since none of us know what it is like as an insider. What I find fascinating is that TC was recently in article in the off-season working with management consultant or whatever title about how to relate to today's players. Found it interesting that Kehl's comments hone in on that topic.

"I do not think he is good at motivating his players, or connecting with them, however. A big aspect of coaching. He is not a very endearing person, and so players have a tough time relating to him."

notice the elevated play since Spag's returned? Maybe that is why was welcomed back so quickly.

but given the way he's acting in that interview, would that be shocking?

I mean, the guy is pissed because Coughlin didn't blow smoke up his ass when being cut?

I bet Kehl has a death vendetta against Simon Cowell, too.

the must be having problems beyond Kehl:

use google and look at a few of these around the same topic, probably good that the coaches finally figured out something instead of the typical human response of "its not me"

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tom-coughlin-new-york-giants-jay-glazer-draft-kings-082115

Romeo Crennel, and shanahan. Shit at least Spags and coughlin gave him the opportunity to start, which he blew. Crennel cut him after 3 games, Did he not like you too? And he couldn't even make the deadskins until thanksgiving. He can talk about how great of coaches they are and have fun winning 4 games.



once a deadskin always a deadskins

... which is the ONLY thing that article revealed

That was a brutal read. Guy comes off as a selfish jackass. If you're that obsessed with shaving your chest and wearing pink shirts then go do modeling instead. Amazing how different the Giants draft/free agent strategy has become since those recent "barren" years of drafting measurables type guys instead of the hard nosed grinders we're starting to see make some noise on the roster now.

In comment 12537671 HugeS said:

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That was a brutal read. Guy comes off as a selfish jackass. If you're that obsessed with shaving your chest and wearing pink shirts then go do modeling instead. Amazing how different the Giants draft/free agent strategy has become since those recent "barren" years of drafting measurables type guys instead of the hard nosed grinders we're starting to see make some noise on the roster now.

I dont think Kehl's problem was related to his chest hair or shirts. he said in his own interview that he didn't play the way the Giants did.

Coughlin is obviously 1,000,000,000x better at his job than Kehl, but I don't think it's that outlandish that he may have been rubbed the wrong way by a player, and kept that negative opinion since the player couldn't prove him wrong.

Doesn't really matter though, since Kehl was an afterthought, and Coughlin won another SB after. And to think that 15 year old Sonic Youth wanted Romeo Crennel or Nick Saban in 2004 instead of Coughlin... shows how much I know.

Anyway, there's a chance Kehl and Coughlin clashed, but so what? Not every coach will get along with every player - this is inevitable. No need to bash either over it, particularly since the first thing out of Kehl's mouth was that he was an "excellent coach". Alright, so Kehl couldn't "relate" to him. He also couldn't really play football very will so it doesn't really matter much after all.

I did look up his combine stats after this thread and was very surprised he ran a sub 4.6 40.

I have a guilty habit of correcting ppl when wrong. Can't help it.

You guys are free to have opinions of me, just as I am of Coughlin.

But I do want to clarify some errors.

You say I sucked, had no business in the league. How did I play for 6 years then? Why wasn't I cut n out the leauge after 1 year (like Dillard). In fact, I played in more games than EVERY SINGLE GUY in my NY draft class:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/draft.htm

You mightl say, their carriers were cut short by injury? So was mine...a torn ACL in '13 knocked me out. I'd still be playing.

I was cut 3 times - NY '10, WAS '12, KC '12. I asked KC to cut me - I was inactive almost every game, and WAS rookie LB went to IR, so I wanted to go back there, n talked to the coaches about it. KC cut me (acted weird about it tho) and WAS claimed me off waivers. Fact:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2012/11/28/redskins-claim-lb-bryan-kehl-off-waivers/

That article also talks about how WAS cut me after camp - even though I led the team in Tackles, sacks, PBUs, and tied for Ints for pre season.

I led the team in tackles, sacks, & FF again in pre season '13. Fact:
http://www.deseretnews.com/top/1737/2/Bryan-Kehl-Washington-Redskins-linebacker-Preseason-auditions-Former-Utah-players-making-their.html

I was never late to a one mtg in NY. I said-I sometimes didn't show up "early" enough for TC. If you aren't there 5 minutes before the mtg starts, he craps a brick.

I knew coming into the league the ding on me was physicality. College coaches told me, scouts told me, and I'm not blind, I know how I play. I played that way for a reason, though. A neck injury in HS made me very susceptible to Stingers. I battled them all through college and the Pros - never went a year w/o getting one, usually several. They gave me an MRI in college to figure out what the issue was.

Many of you said I didn't listen to coaches. Wrong. I tried to play the way they wanted me to, I just wasn't good at it. See 4 yourself:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/giants-lb-kehl-finds-his-inner-wrath-1.1356660

Many of you laughed hard when I said I made plays. NY had a system of measuring productivity on D. X amount of pts given for a tackle, TFL, PBU, INT, etc...each worth diff pts. They totaled your pts for the game, then divided that by your snap count. How productive are you given how much you play. My rookie year I played the 1st half season b4 getting benched. Only 1 guy was higher than me - Tuck, at 34%. I was 31%.

A lot of you say I was trash, had no business in the NFL, and Coughlin saw it. If that was the case - why did I play on D my very 1st game as a rook then? I was 4th round, not 1st, they had no obligation to play me. Answer - cuz I made plays in camp. So they played me on D. 1st pro game - I played 12 snaps on D - and made 5 SOLO TACKLES!! Thats not making plays? Fact:
http://nypost.com/2008/09/12/rookie-lb-getting-hang-of-the-weak-side/

Its funny. Many of you say the pick vs Pitt was the only play I ever made. The irony is they benched me after that game. Why? Spagz couldn't stand any more how I played.

I played no D rest of yr, till week 17 vs Minn. We had clinched #1 spot, so plan was to play subs in 2nd half of game. I went in 2nd half - had 9 tackles, 2 tfls, and a sack. Fact:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008122807/2008/REG17/giants@vikings#tab=analyze&analyze=boxscore

Then they signed Boley. Ironic - cuz he was no more physical than me. But, they paid him...so they played him. I was relegated to Sp Tms in '09...what did I do? Led NY in Sp Tms tackles.

They cut me after 1st game in '10. I had 4 Sp Tms tackles in that day (one was wiped out w/ offsides penalty by JPP on KO-so I was credited w/ 3). But I got beat for a blocked punt...so Coughlin showed me the door the next day. Who beat me for the blocked punt? Just some guy named Greg Hardy...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300912019

A lot of you wonder why I went to STL, if Spagz didn't like me? I had no choice - they claimed me off waivers. 7 teams put a claim in for me, but STL had the worst record, so they got me. Why did they claim me? The day before they lost 2 LBs, they needed one bad, and I already knew the D. It was a no brainer. Spagz 1st convo w/ me there he told me "I wasn't one of his guys." I saw the GM from STL a month ago - he confirmed it - said Spagz was "100% against it."

But guess what - GMs and HCs aren't always on the same page. Just like in NY.

The giants had no business drafting me. The WLB came off the field in their D in pass situations. They had a Safety play the spot. My strength was coverage and blitzing. If those coaches were smart - I would have come on the field in passing situations. (they finally figured this out - with J Williams)

Other players NY had no business drafting - Sintim, Barden, Beckam, Tracy (as an LB). Sintim was a dang good player...would have thrived in a 3-4.

You say I was another trash LB the giants drafted. Who in this group made the most of their career:

Kehl - 6 years - 122 tackles

Wilkinson - 5 yrs - 68 tackles
Sintim - 4 yrs - 33 tackles
Dillard - 1 yr - 4 tackles
(each of those guys were drafted higher than me also)
G Jones - 3 yrs - 35 tackles
J Williams - 4 yrs - 242 tackles ( he started 22 games...I started 4)

Speaking of him - a lot of you like him, and think I sucked. I think he is a good athlete LB. Not physical, similar to myself and Boley. Interesting that he hasn't been picked up elsewhere though...

Bottom line....I in no way "trashed" Coughlin. In fact, I literally called him "an excellent coach". I just don't think he is HoF worthy. I look at the body of work. He is 54% win in his career - at BC, at Jax, and at NY. He has 2 SBs on his resume. He is also a sticky helmet catch and a Welker drop away from 0 SBs. U want to put him in the HoF on 2 crazy plays? Not me...I look at the body of work.

Thanks for your time...and indulging my guilty pleasure.

PS - want to know why Seattle got so good all of a sudden? They broke from NFL tradition, and their scouts and GM went to the coaches to ask them who to draft and sign...to fit their scheme. Unlike NY, they never draft a guy who doesn't fit their scheme.

if this is really Bryan Kehl. I don't think you're necessarily wrong, this board tends to give St Coughlin a complete pass, when his resume has some legitimate warts IMO. Coughlin was close to getting a pink slip from both Accorsi (2006) and Reese. He's an excellent coach, is stubborn in some aspects, and loyal to "his guys" to a fault that can be detrimental to a team. If Joe Torre isn't above criticism for leaving 'chips on the table, then Coughlin certainly isn't either. IMO GIants had a legit shot in 2010 before the DeSean Jackson return.

Those of you who say I'm bitter. You are dead right!! LOL

I am super bitter. I honestly wish I wasn't, but I am. Some day I hope I won't be.

That being said - who among you loves their jerk old boss who fired them? If you do - you are a better man than me.

Lastly - Keep in mind - i DID NOT seek out this interview. Nor did I choose the questions. I didn't even want to do it. I just have a hard time turning people down, so I told the kid I would do it.

I also hesitated to be so candid. But i figured honesty was the better option - so I answered each question with how I felt.

PPS - yes, this is really me. I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE how lame it is for me to defend myself on some blog or whatever....say what you like about me and about that...I honestly just have a guilty habit of making sure the Facts are known...then draw your own conclusions from them.

If this really is Kehl. And my major problem with the entire article, and it continues to a degree in your response here, is that you seem to never take responsibility for the things that have happened to you. I mean, you KNOW TC wants you at meetings 5 minutes early. How hard is that?

We all know TC isn't perfect. Far from it. You and TC didn't get along. Fine. But to say that he doesn't know how to motivate his guys? Come on now. Many of his former players would take a bullet for the man. Steve Weatherford says he's one of the best men he's ever met. You could have spoke of YOUR issues with TC without trying to throw the man under the bus. And you did the same with Spags later on in the article. Talking about how he wasn't liked in the locker room. What purpose does that serve? It just comes across as sour grapes.

At any rate, that's my opinion, which don't mean crap, I know. But it is awesome that you posted here! Maybe you can post a bit more often, tell us your thoughts on some of the other guys in the league, things like that.

Bryan, did you ever have the mispleasure of meeting Daniel Snyder in Washington? I'd love to hear your opinions of that guy.

I know it sounds like sour gripes. Whiny. Excuses. What ever. In fact, I hesitated for a good 30 seconds before I pushed send on the email to the kid who asked me the questions. I saw how it made me look.

People ask me about the NFL...I tell them the business side of it.

Then I am always sure to say - but yeah, if the worst thing that happened to me in the last decade is frustrations in the NFL, I have it pretty good right? I understand it is lame to complain about the dream it is play in the NFL.

As for TC - the guy just did not like me. And I tried to do it right. I did start showing up 5 min. early, even though that is NOT my personality. In fact, I began sitting in the front row of every mtg.

As for other people - 2 things. Everyone has their opinion. Also, MOST ppl in sports give the PC, proper answer. They don't want to give the media anything to spin.

Coughlin has many great coaching qualities. I talked about them. But he's not the coach guys want to take a bullet for.

Spagz? Everything I say is dead true. Great Defensive mind. But...The guys in STL couldn't stand him. You are free not to believe me...thats your choice.

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Bryan, did you ever have the mispleasure of meeting Daniel Snyder in Washington? I'd love to hear your opinions of that guy.

Yes, but I had much much less interaction with him than say John Mara. Mara would come up and talk to most guys. I thought he was a great owner. Snyder really only talks to the stars.

I do think he gets more crap than he deserves though. I dont think he's as bad as people think. His biggest problem is he can't stick with a coach. he's too quick to hit the reset button. my option at least.

I heard the same thing about his tenure in St. Louis.

at the end of the day, if you were a Lawrence Taylor clone in your abilities, you would have played. It really does come across as sour grapes to suggest that Coughlin telling you not to shave your chest, as though THAT was the real reason things didn't work out.

So, I'm not sure what you are bitter about. You had your chances to make it in the NFL and seem to think you didn't get a fair shot. I call BS on that. You got as much of a shot as anyone else. You just weren't Lawrence Taylor. So, instead you get bitter at Tom Coughlin and Spags and blame THEM for you not having the career you think you deserved? Again, sorry, but I call BS.

PS: And I liked you as a player. I just don't like the whining. You sound like a girl.

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As for TC - the guy just did not like me. And I tried to do it right. I did start showing up 5 min. early, even though that is NOT my personality. In fact, I began sitting in the front row of every mtg.

Speaking for myself, where I get lost in this is with quotes like this. I have no doubt that Coughlin didn't like you. However, a lot of the quotes in the article and on here come across as a guy who seems miffed that the coach didn't cater to his personality.

Part of the team mentality means putting aside your personal preferences to a degree and assimilating with the program. Whether 5 minutes early is your personality or not, that's what the coach is demanding. Yes, you may prefer going around blockers, but you're being asked to take them on.

Now, I may be off base here (I have 0 years of college or NFL football experience) or you might have been taken out of context. But you I have a hard time agreeing with you on this because it seems like you were hesitant or unwilling to do what it took to buy into the team program.

It's not like you're in bad company when it comes to people who dislike Coughlin - very talented guys like Jeremy Shockey and Tiki Barber are in the same boat. But their complaints also tend to come off in the same vein - they usually seem to me like guys who wanted Coughlin to cater to them when in fact they should have been adjusting to the team's needs.

The whole thing would be a much easier argument if the article didn't lead off by calling Coughlin overrated. Lombardi he isn't, but it's hard to overrate a guy with his resume.

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He has 2 SBs on his resume. He is also a sticky helmet catch and a Welker drop away from 0 SBs. U want to put him in the HoF on 2 crazy plays?

Both of those Super Bowl runs were by teams that didn't have the talent to be favored in any of the games they played. In 2007 the Giants beat what was considered to be the greatest football team of all time.

To say Coughin was a "sticky helmet" away from losing the game is true. But wtf is that supposed to mean? You don't think that it was an incredible thing for the Giants to hold THAT New England team to 14 points to be in a position so that one "sticky catch" allowed them to beat the best team of all time?

THAT is pure bias. Pure Bull shit.

All that Tyree catch did was get us a first down. We still had to march the length of the field, and even convert a 3rd down by SMith before Eli hit Burress.

They could have stopped us or made a play. How about making a play on 4 and 1 and stuffing Jacobs? If they did that they win.

As for Welker, he was wide open due to a break down in coverage. It was a shitty throw by Brady. Don't make your short WR have to jump, turn his body in mid air like that especially since he was wide open. A better throw and he catches it and can still run with it. The pats missed on it. That's part of sports. If Norwood hits his FG, the Bills win. Instead he kicks it wide, and Parcells and the GIants win.

You act like football, just like life, doesn't have breaks that bounce one way or another.

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at the end of the day, if you were a Lawrence Taylor clone in your abilities, you would have played. It really does come across as sour grapes to suggest that Coughlin telling you not to shave your chest, as though THAT was the real reason things didn't work out. So, I'm not sure what you are bitter about. You had your chances to make it in the NFL and seem to think you didn't get a fair shot. I call BS on that. You got as much of a shot as anyone else. You just weren't Lawrence Taylor. So, instead you get bitter at Tom Coughlin and Spags and blame THEM for you not having the career you think you deserved? Again, sorry, but I call BS. PS: And I liked you as a player. I just don't like the whining. You sound like a girl.

I do sound like a girl...lol. I have acknowledged that, readily.

Here's the thing - what did I assign blame for? No where in the article did I say - Coughlin didn't like my shaved chest...so he didn't play me. I never said anything to that effect. Most of you inferred that second part.

All i did was say he didn't like me - and gave a couple reasons why.

I did make it in the league. I played 6 years, and had a blast. I was never a starter, which I would have loved. But I did make it. You act as if I was cut my 1st year cuz Couglin didn't like me. Not the case.

I am no LT...(shocker)...I never said I was. I could have been a great starter though. You would be shocked if you knew how much of pro sports is chance and luck vs other things. Shocked. I just try to be candid, thats all.

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at the end of the day, if you were a Lawrence Taylor clone in your abilities, you would have played. It really does come across as sour grapes to suggest that Coughlin telling you not to shave your chest, as though THAT was the real reason things didn't work out. So, I'm not sure what you are bitter about. You had your chances to make it in the NFL and seem to think you didn't get a fair shot. I call BS on that. You got as much of a shot as anyone else. You just weren't Lawrence Taylor. So, instead you get bitter at Tom Coughlin and Spags and blame THEM for you not having the career you think you deserved? Again, sorry, but I call BS. PS: And I liked you as a player. I just don't like the whining. You sound like a girl.

Also - the league is FULL of examples of guys not making it on one team, then making it somewhere else. Tons of guys had coaches who didn't give them legit shot.

Thats why I was so heartbroken when STL claimed me. That should have been my chance somewhere else. Instead it was NY all over again. I lost 2 more good years there.

I went to WAS after...the coaches did like me...but now I was just a vet backup to them. I was now 28, and they saw me as old, etc, and I was just a backup to very good starters, L Fletcher and P Riley. I tore my knee in '13. Now I sit here. To say "if you were good, you would have played" doesn't tell the full story.

You are right that you did make it in the league. There are millions who would have given their right arm to play 6 years in the League.

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You act as if I was cut my 1st year cuz Couglin didn't like me. Not the case.

That's wrong. I'm not suggesting you got less than you deserved. YOU ARE. Otherwise, what exactly, is the point? In point of fact, what IS the point? Are you saying that Coughlin and Spags gave you exactly the chances they should have and that you just want us to know that they did so even though they didn't like you as a person? Is that your point? Or do you have some other point to make?

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Quote: He has 2 SBs on his resume. He is also a sticky helmet catch and a Welker drop away from 0 SBs. U want to put him in the HoF on 2 crazy plays? Both of those Super Bowl runs were by teams that didn't have the talent to be favored in any of the games they played. In 2007 the Giants beat what was considered to be the greatest football team of all time. To say Coughin was a "sticky helmet" away from losing the game is true. But wtf is that supposed to mean? You don't think that it was an incredible thing for the Giants to hold THAT New England team to 14 points to be in a position so that one "sticky catch" allowed them to beat the best team of all time? THAT is pure bias. Pure Bull shit.

It also places too much emphasis on one play in the game. You could just as easily say that the Giants were a Steve Smith drop and a phantom holding call away from rolling over both those Patriots teams.

In comment 12535359 Big Al said:

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unlike most, I like hearing opinions from various perspectives. You can take it or leave it without shiting on them although there is some validity in some of the stuff posters have said. None of us including Coughlin or Kehl is above any criticism. To me it is good to hear what someone perceives rather than the 95 percent of interviews which are worthless and simply saying the right thing.

This kind of reaffirms to me what I said early in the thread. How the hell did you become aware of this place
In over 15 years here I have never seen a player or former player respond to the shit thrown at them.

In comment 12538783 Big Al said:

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In comment 12535359 Big Al said: Quote: unlike most, I like hearing opinions from various perspectives. You can take it or leave it without shiting on them although there is some validity in some of the stuff posters have said. None of us including Coughlin or Kehl is above any criticism. To me it is good to hear what someone perceives rather than the 95 percent of interviews which are worthless and simply saying the right thing. This kind of reaffirms to me what I said early in the thread. How the hell did you become aware of this place In over 15 years here I have never seen a player or former player respond to the shit thrown at them.

I agree. I mean, I still feel he's deflected all blame for his shortcomings onto everybody but himself, but it is pretty cool that he's here

if you're still checking out this thread will you help me understand something?

The Giants have struggled to get playmakers at the LB position for some time. I've wondered if it's in part because of what they're asking of their LBers. If you are responsible to defend your lane, hold and shed blockers, you are less likely to be able to make the flashy play. On the other hand, you may be able to prevent a bigger play.

Can you tell me if what I'm thinking is correct? Is the scheme one which requires LBers to be more disciplined and prevents freestyle playmaking from the LBer position than other systems allow? Maybe we've been too hard on the LBers that have been in here because they aren't given the latitude to make plays?

Thanks in advance for taking the time to respond to these questions I have.

You made the comment that it wasn't your personality to show up so early...Do you think anyone who has a job, whether it is as a construction worker or works for a company, has a personality that goes along with what their boss wants? You don't do it because its within your personality, you do it because that's what your boss wants you to do. That's what being part of a team is about and what having a job is about.

I think most of us understand that Coach Coughlin has warts. I'm sorry you and Coughlin couldn't find common ground. Sometimes, good people just don't connect.

Most fans are also aware that the Giant organization has its dysfunctional aspects. One of the most common complaints on this board concerns a problem you discussed above: the number of players drafted by the front office who don't seem to fit the system at all - especially in the 2008-2009 period when you, Clint Sintim, Ramses Barden and Travis Beckum arrived. Maybe it's not a coincidence that those were the first two years Marc Ross ran the draft, while Jerry Reese tried to delegate. In any case, I agree that you and the Giants were a poor match - an inauspicious start that a 24-year-old rookie could ill afford in a business where most careers are over by 28.

There is another side to this organization, however. You got a glimpse of that side after Chad Jones demolished his leg in 2010, rendering him worthless as a business asset. Those of us who have been around for decades have witnessed a lot of stupidity from the Maras and their minions, but we've also seen many random acts of kindness and generosity that incline us to cut the brass a lot of slack. To you, the Giants are just another NFL franchise that didn't appreciate Bryan Kehl, and Tom Coughlin is just another grumpy, inflexible coach. While your view is understandable, it's not likely to go over very well with this audience.

I'll just add that I thought the decision to waive you in 2010 was a bit weird, and that you seemed to be a scapegoat for the overall crappiness of the Giants' special teams. There were less disruptive ways to open a roster spot for Bear Pascoe, and you could have helped several times over the next two years - especially when Boley got hurt in 2011. It's unfortunate you weren't around for the title run.

I don't think the interview was a good look for you, but hey, I can see how you can easily get pegged down the wrong way and have it turn south on you quickly without realizing it, I think you acquitted yourself well here.

I would love to know some more - you say you weren't a Spags guy, but that's a guy that seems to be practically deified for his relation with the players. Is there something in particular that makes someone a 'Spags guy'?

Also - was there anyone else you thought was a good example of Reese and Coughlin not seeing eye to eye? As fans, we look at this team sometimes and come away bewildered that certain guys can't see the field or aren't used the way you'd think, and it seems like they're obvious examples of the coach and GM not seeing eye to eye. I wonder how often that's the case, and how often it's just a matter of a guy not being what they had expected during draft/signing time.

Of course they'll be disagreements..I don't recollect too many perfect HC/ GM relationships..From afar, it seems as though they have done quite well in tandem.
The Young/Parcells relationship was a soap opera imv

Great post by BBB.

Brian, many of us understand how the effort of being at the upper 1% of one's profession still requires some luck to be in the right organization and right scheme and top leaders who believe in you and luck to avoid injuries.

In time I hope perspective gives you more joy than resentments. Hard to find perspective after such an intense effort.

The experience does tend to become personalized. In fact it is organizational and happenstance.

Same goes for the record of coaches and head coaches. They also are so close to the top of their wolf heap as well...and results depend not only on effort and skill but also on the luck of injuries and draft and players effort and free agency selection.

To be honest...if you have the ability to last long and have a better than 50% record you have done quite well. Good as a coach earns the right to turn franchises around and or take on building a new one... not good for the record of wins and losses...but chances are only available to the top of the profession.

Glad you had an NFL career. Glad you played for us fans. Hope someday you feel better about this part of your life's accomplishments. Gaining that feeling usually requires accomplishment in more decades and more endeavors. Best of luck and may the confidence gained by your accomplishments fuel the next rounds of your life.

4th Round – LB Bryan Kehl, BYU (6-2, 242lbs, 4.68)

SCOUTING REPORT: Two-year starter.  Finished the 2007 season with 91 tackles, 11.5 tackles for a loss, 4 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovery, and 3 interceptions.  Kehl combines good size and athleticism.  He is a three-down linebacker with good speed and agility.  Changes direction well.  Strong.  He is not the most aggressive linebacker out there and sometimes struggles to shed.  He has very good intangibles – smart, instinctive, intense, and hard working.  “Wow, he is really something when you talk to him,” one scout said. “He might have been the best interview at the entire Combine.  He’s the kind of person you want on your team.”  Scored a 29 on the Wonderlic.  “Kehl is just a flat-out player,” said Kehl’s college coach.  “He is one of those guys who is always around the football and is a ball hog and makes a lot of plays.  I have talked to some people out there and they tell me one thing about this guy, he is not only an athlete but he has got a mind that is absolutely unreal and football is important to him.”

MEDIA Q&A WITH GENERAL MANAGER JERRY REESE:

Reese: Bryan Kehl is a linebacker from BYU.  We liked him.  He is a big athlete, can run, very, very smart, good in coverage.  He played in a 3-4 defense as an outside backer.  So we think he can play SAM or WILL for us.  They are kind of interchangeable in our defense, to be honest with you.  So those are things we liked about him.  We moved up to get him because there were so many positive things about him.  We had some extra picks in the sixth round so we moved up a few spots to pick him.  But there is a lot of positive stuff about him – a clean guy.  We think he will be a good football player for us; play on all of the special teams right away.  We like him that way.

MEDIA Q&A WITH HEAD COACH TOM COUGHLIN:

Coughlin: The linebacker situation; we lost two linebackers in free agency.  We really did a good job here because these two young men, not only are they good football players but they are smart, they have been in sophisticated systems, and I think that both of these guys are going to come in and they are going to be people who will challenge because I think mentally they will be in good shape and they also are going to be outstanding special teams players because both of them have the ability to run.

Awful pick. Just another awful LB under this regime.

of the Troy Aikman commercial. I wonder what Kehl's ringtone is :)

In comment 12538765 baadbill said:

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You are right that you did make it in the league. There are millions who would have given their right arm to play 6 years in the League. But then you say: Quote: You act as if I was cut my 1st year cuz Couglin didn't like me. Not the case. That's wrong. I'm not suggesting you got less than you deserved. YOU ARE. Otherwise, what exactly, is the point? In point of fact, what IS the point? Are you saying that Coughlin and Spags gave you exactly the chances they should have and that you just want us to know that they did so even though they didn't like you as a person? Is that your point? Or do you have some other point to make?

My point was simply to answer the question the kid asked me. He asked me what I thought of those coaches, and what it was like playing for each. I answered those questions as candidly as I could, providing examples. Most people sugar coat it, or are PC, etc. I am not like that. I speak my mind...right or wrong...as I see it.

In comment 12538748 AnishPatel said:

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All that Tyree catch did was get us a first down. We still had to march the length of the field, and even convert a 3rd down by SMith before Eli hit Burress. They could have stopped us or made a play. How about making a play on 4 and 1 and stuffing Jacobs? If they did that they win. As for Welker, he was wide open due to a break down in coverage. It was a shitty throw by Brady. Don't make your short WR have to jump, turn his body in mid air like that especially since he was wide open. A better throw and he catches it and can still run with it. The pats missed on it. That's part of sports. If Norwood hits his FG, the Bills win. Instead he kicks it wide, and Parcells and the GIants win. You act like football, just like life, doesn't have breaks that bounce one way or another.

You actually make the exact point I am trying to make. Football and life has breaks that bounce one way or the other. During those 2 SB runs...the Giants had the ball bounce their way. Every team that wins the SB has the same thing happen. They combine a good team, with execution...AND...good fortune.

I am just pointing out it isn't prudent to look at a player or team, who had the ball bounce the other way, and say they are no good. That is my point.

In comment 12538970 Dan in the Springs said:

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if you're still checking out this thread will you help me understand something? The Giants have struggled to get playmakers at the LB position for some time. I've wondered if it's in part because of what they're asking of their LBers. If you are responsible to defend your lane, hold and shed blockers, you are less likely to be able to make the flashy play. On the other hand, you may be able to prevent a bigger play. Can you tell me if what I'm thinking is correct? Is the scheme one which requires LBers to be more disciplined and prevents freestyle playmaking from the LBer position than other systems allow? Maybe we've been too hard on the LBers that have been in here because they aren't given the latitude to make plays? Thanks in advance for taking the time to respond to these questions I have.

You hit the nail right on the head. Some coaches want straight X's and O's. Some coaches allow guys to be free to be playmakers. Just philosophy differences.

A lot of the Giants struggles at LB come from drafting guys who don't fit their scheme. Drafting 3-4 LBs to play in a 4-3, or DE's to play LB, etc.

Kiwi could have been a perennial pro bowler if he was allowed to just play DE every year, develop...and didn't have unfortunate injuries. He did okay at LB, cuz he's an athlete, but he had no business EVER playing off the line.

And then the other thing is the coaches historically wouldn't let guys make plays. Sheridan was the worst at this. I was sitting there in the mtg where Osi just got up and walked out, if you remember hearing about that. He was sick of a coach who couldn't hold his jock criticizing how he played the game. Osi is the quintessential playmaker. He back doors blocks all day long, and makes big plays doing it. Spagz didn't like it, but allowed him to do it, cuz he was a star. Sheridan wasn't having any of it.

but considering the long tradition of troll accounts made here on a daily basis, pretty inclined to believe that this isn't actually Bryan Kehl.

In comment 12539052 JOrthman said:

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You made the comment that it wasn't your personality to show up so early...Do you think anyone who has a job, whether it is as a construction worker or works for a company, has a personality that goes along with what their boss wants? You don't do it because its within your personality, you do it because that's what your boss wants you to do. That's what being part of a team is about and what having a job is about.

I totally agree with you. But I also think that the truly great leaders choose their moments. If you have a guy on your team who isn't late to a mtg, but also isn't there way in advance...is it worth it to make a big deal out of it? I personally say no...Coughlin apparently says yes.

The other thing, is its not like the whole team was sitting there 5 min. early, and I came strolling in with 1 min. to go. Not even close. Plenty of guys came in when I did. Coughlin would single me out. You can choose to believe me or think I am lying. That is your freedom. But you can tell when the boss man treats you different for the same things than he does the other guys.

confrontational. I enjoy hearing about this stuff from the players' perspectives, and appreciate Kehl taking the time to chime in here. I can certainly see how it can be an uphill battle to get your career going when there's politics involved (Reese trading up for Kehl, Coughlin not wanting him). If you're not one of the coach's guys, you really have to go out of your way to get back in good graces, and sometimes there's little you can do anyway. Like a boss with any job anywhere else, Coughlin has people that would go to bat for him any day of the week, and also people that aren't too crazy about him.

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But I also think that the truly great leaders choose their moments.

They get accused of having double standards or playing favorites.

Coughlin, like it or not, preaches discipline and taking personal responsibility to commitments. That's why the meeting thing is a hot button. And he isn't alone. You are held to repurcussions throughout life for being untimely. Schools mark you tardy and can punish repeat offenders. Hourly workers have to punch a clock to get paid. Dentists and physicians can cancel appointments if you don't show up on time.

It seems silly to be critical of expecting professionalism and conformance from a guy who comes from an era and a society that expects it.

In comment 12539289 Big Blue Blogger said:

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I think most of us understand that Coach Coughlin has warts. I'm sorry you and Coughlin couldn't find common ground. Sometimes, good people just don't connect. Most fans are also aware that the Giant organization has its dysfunctional aspects. One of the most common complaints on this board concerns a problem you discussed above: the number of players drafted by the front office who don't seem to fit the system at all - especially in the 2008-2009 period when you, Clint Sintim, Ramses Barden and Travis Beckum arrived. Maybe it's not a coincidence that those were the first two years Marc Ross ran the draft, while Jerry Reese tried to delegate. In any case, I agree that you and the Giants were a poor match - an inauspicious start that a 24-year-old rookie could ill afford in a business where most careers are over by 28. There is another side to this organization, however. You got a glimpse of that side after Chad Jones demolished his leg in 2010, rendering him worthless as a business asset. Those of us who have been around for decades have witnessed a lot of stupidity from the Maras and their minions, but we've also seen many random acts of kindness and generosity that incline us to cut the brass a lot of slack. To you, the Giants are just another NFL franchise that didn't appreciate Bryan Kehl, and Tom Coughlin is just another grumpy, inflexible coach. While your view is understandable, it's not likely to go over very well with this audience. I'll just add that I thought the decision to waive you in 2010 was a bit weird, and that you seemed to be a scapegoat for the overall crappiness of the Giants' special teams. There were less disruptive ways to open a roster spot for Bear Pascoe, and you could have helped several times over the next two years - especially when Boley got hurt in 2011. It's unfortunate you weren't around for the title run.

I really appreciate your words, thank you. But you are totally right...I get asked all the time, in fact I was asked this yesterday at church - what was my favorite place to play. I answer that it depends on what aspect.

The coaches in NY didn't mesh with me. But the organization as a whole is 1st rate, no question. Ownership, front office, medical, equipment, PR, they are all professionals, and I missed them dearly. STL, WAS, KC - none of those places even come CLOSE!!! Total dysfunction, which is why they have been in disarray for so long.

I totally agree with your last paragraph. If you look at the 53 we had when they cut me...we had no TEs, and had to sign one. We did need a roster spot. But if you look at the guys they could have waived instead of me, guys who were either underrated or always hurt, etc., its kind of interesting that a team would cut bait on a draft pick after only 2 years. Reese traded up to get me...so there is no surprise he saw something in me. Thats why I say what I did - when they cut me, it was as if TC jumped at the chance. I could be dead wrong, but thats definitely what it seemed like.

So why do you shave your chest?

did Coughlin flat out say "I don't like that you're wearing a pink shirt" or was it more of a silly "why are you wearing that?" sort of comment?

Shaved chests and pink shirts are the important topics.

In comment 12539772 jcn56 said:

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I don't think the interview was a good look for you, but hey, I can see how you can easily get pegged down the wrong way and have it turn south on you quickly without realizing it, I think you acquitted yourself well here. I would love to know some more - you say you weren't a Spags guy, but that's a guy that seems to be practically deified for his relation with the players. Is there something in particular that makes someone a 'Spags guy'? Also - was there anyone else you thought was a good example of Reese and Coughlin not seeing eye to eye? As fans, we look at this team sometimes and come away bewildered that certain guys can't see the field or aren't used the way you'd think, and it seems like they're obvious examples of the coach and GM not seeing eye to eye. I wonder how often that's the case, and how often it's just a matter of a guy not being what they had expected during draft/signing time.

Thank you. Spagz is a guy who is either really liked, or completely hated. A lot of guys loved him in NY. Some hated him. In STL, when he was the HC, he kind of took things up a notch. I wish you could understand how AWFUL our training camp was. When I told guys in WAS or KC about it, they didn't believe me. Example - he had our O line CUT BLOCK our D line in training camp. Did it all the time!!! Said - if we don't learn how to do it now, when will we? We were like - if you don't know how to do it in the Pros, you aren't going to ever learn. We put like 6 corners on IR that year. 6!!! He TOTALLY lost the locker room.

I have no idea what he is like now, back in NY. My guess is he has learned from his total failures in STL and even worse in NO, and has improved. That is my guess.

As for the disconnect. Every club is different. Some franchises draft guys, put total trust in their process, and then put those kids on the field and say go get it done. They allow them to learn and grow on the field. The best at this is Pitt and GB. They always have the highest % of their starters as draft picks - cuz they throw them on the field and let them sink or swim.

TC is old school - you have to earn something before you get it. The idea of just throwing a young kid who hasn't done anything yet onto the field is totally backwards to him, and he doesn't like it.

Take my rookie year - '08. In what world is Kenny Phillips not starting from day 1 ?!? The kid was a total beast - and it sucks his career was derailed by injuries. But he should have been the guy from day 1, and would have been on most clubs.

As for examples of guys they didn't see eye 2 eye on - I can really only speak for when I was there 08-10....but Sintim is the best example...would have KILLED it in a 3-4...Beckam is the 2nd best example...legit route runner...terrible blocker...other places wouldn't have cared, they would have found a way to get mismatches with him...Barden and Moss are both good examples...and Tracy should have been a DE from day 1.

In comment 12544734 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Quote: But I also think that the truly great leaders choose their moments. They get accused of having double standards or playing favorites. Coughlin, like it or not, preaches discipline and taking personal responsibility to commitments. That's why the meeting thing is a hot button. And he isn't alone. You are held to repurcussions throughout life for being untimely. Schools mark you tardy and can punish repeat offenders. Hourly workers have to punch a clock to get paid. Dentists and physicians can cancel appointments if you don't show up on time. It seems silly to be critical of expecting professionalism and conformance from a guy who comes from an era and a society that expects it.

I agree with you. But I also played for 3 different HC's who went about that aspect TOTALLY different. In NY, everybodys butt hole was tight the whole day in regard to being everywhere way in advance. Spagz wasn't like that in STL, Shanahan wasn't like that, and neither was Romeo. They looked at it like - we're all grown ups, show up on time...if you're late, I will fine you. But I'm not going to make a big deal out of it.

TC - made a big deal out of it. It was almost like he wanted to fine you. He fined me one time for wearing the wrong socks to a walk through. And I wasn't the only one with those socks on, either. You can choose to not believe me, that's fine. Just keep in mind - I was only answering a question. The question was - what was it like playing for TC. I am simply trying to answer that.

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So why do you shave your chest?

I hate hair. Simple as that. I have shaved much of my body since HS.

Oh - and I never shaved my chest in the locker room, as someone suggested. LOL

In comment 12544774 illmatic said:

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did Coughlin flat out say "I don't like that you're wearing a pink shirt" or was it more of a silly "why are you wearing that?" sort of comment? Shaved chests and pink shirts are the important topics.

The chest story happened exactly as I relayed it, he said those exact words. Still seems soooo weird to me, that he would even bother to say something about it.

The pink shirt thing he said a couple times. It was actually more of a Salmon, not some hot pink or something. I walked by him in the hall and he said "what are you wearing that pink shirt for, haven't you got something better to wear?" I assure you, he wasn't just joking or busting my balls.

I gave those 2 examples, because they are funny, simple, and easy. I have TONS of others. Trust me when I say the guy did not like me. I know it sounds whiny, girly, or whatever. That's fine. But it is true.

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but considering the long tradition of troll accounts made here on a daily basis, pretty inclined to believe that this isn't actually Bryan Kehl.

I don't know how to prove that. Can you post pictures?

thanks again for responding to my questions.

Another question - kind of a follow-up. I have long noticed that the Giants have had many players who struggle to blitz effectively. I have watched the tape in slow motion and seen our blitzers who appear to direct their approach INTO awaiting blockers, instead of around them. When facing mobile QB's it's easy to assume they are protecting a lane and seeking to contain the QB in the pocket, but I've seen it against less-mobile QB's as well. I'm presuming that this is their natural inclination (to take on blockers) and not that they are being coached to do so.

What I was wondering is this - when coaching guys how to blitz effectively, how much time did the coaches devote to blitz technique. In particular, did they get to the details of whether they wanted guys to try to avoid/go around blockers or go through them? Or was that level detail not emphasized by the coaches and left to the player to make plays?

Thanks again in advance for taking the time to respond.

In comment 12544859 Dan in the Springs said:

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thanks again for responding to my questions. Another question - kind of a follow-up. I have long noticed that the Giants have had many players who struggle to blitz effectively. I have watched the tape in slow motion and seen our blitzers who appear to direct their approach INTO awaiting blockers, instead of around them. When facing mobile QB's it's easy to assume they are protecting a lane and seeking to contain the QB in the pocket, but I've seen it against less-mobile QB's as well. I'm presuming that this is their natural inclination (to take on blockers) and not that they are being coached to do so. What I was wondering is this - when coaching guys how to blitz effectively, how much time did the coaches devote to blitz technique. In particular, did they get to the details of whether they wanted guys to try to avoid/go around blockers or go through them? Or was that level detail not emphasized by the coaches and left to the player to make plays? Thanks again in advance for taking the time to respond.

Depends on the coach and the coverage. Like everything, diff coaches have diff preferences. But it is pretty standard that if it is man coverage - you can't run around a back or TE. You have to go through him. Zone coverage - you are more free to make a move.

But my guess is the biggest thing is the habit of not avoiding blockers. They don't want you to avoid blockers in the run game, and then players are accustomed to that, and by habit do the same in the blitz game.

From it's inception all the way to the last post.

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From it's inception all the way to the last post.

By last post, do you mean the one you wrote?

Fuck!...now I'm the last post

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In comment 12544859 Dan in the Springs said: Quote: thanks again for responding to my questions. Another question - kind of a follow-up. I have long noticed that the Giants have had many players who struggle to blitz effectively. I have watched the tape in slow motion and seen our blitzers who appear to direct their approach INTO awaiting blockers, instead of around them. When facing mobile QB's it's easy to assume they are protecting a lane and seeking to contain the QB in the pocket, but I've seen it against less-mobile QB's as well. I'm presuming that this is their natural inclination (to take on blockers) and not that they are being coached to do so. What I was wondering is this - when coaching guys how to blitz effectively, how much time did the coaches devote to blitz technique. In particular, did they get to the details of whether they wanted guys to try to avoid/go around blockers or go through them? Or was that level detail not emphasized by the coaches and left to the player to make plays? Thanks again in advance for taking the time to respond. Depends on the coach and the coverage. Like everything, diff coaches have diff preferences. But it is pretty standard that if it is man coverage - you can't run around a back or TE. You have to go through him. Zone coverage - you are more free to make a move. But my guess is the biggest thing is the habit of not avoiding blockers. They don't want you to avoid blockers in the run game, and then players are accustomed to that, and by habit do the same in the blitz game.

Couple additional questions. I'm asking specifically about the Giants coaches, from Spags or Coughlin through the position coaches - were they very detailed in coaching how to blitz.

Secondly, I'm not sure why coverage comes into the equation. I'm asking specifically about blitz technique. Are you suggesting that they might be asked to blitz but continue to have responsiblity for coverage? Like they are supposed to be rushing the QB but are not supposed to get past the blocker who picks them up (like the HB or TE, etc.)?

I suppose I should be more specific - I'm talking about pass blitz and not necessarily run blitz. As you can tell I'm not a real sophisticated student of the game, so I appreciate your patience with me.

In comment 12544887 Torrag said:

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From it's inception all the way to the last post.

Assuming it's actually Kehl here (which I have no reason to doubt it given what he's posted) I think it should go down as one of the better threads and a credit to BBI's existence.

Like what he said or not, I don't see how you couldn't at least find it insightful. He made a claim that he supported with his experiences and facts as he saw them. If that wasn't enough, he even came back to expand on his position and challenge points made by those who were eager to dismiss the whole thing. What more could you want from someone who made a controversial, but nuanced statement?

If nothing else, it made for an interesting behind-the-scenes story of the business and relationships in football that we as fans rarely see.

...or we all witnessed a masterful troll job. Either way, my time wasn't wasted.

Bryan, thank you. Sincerely.

this has been a fascinating thread and if we were trolled, the guy at least knows his shit about the teams Kehl's been with.

I disagree with his take that TC is overrated, but I'm glad to hear his opinion and he's stated his objections well.

Much like I'd expect from a hairless chest, pink wearing sonofabitch:)

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I have a guilty habit of correcting ppl when wrong. Can't help it. You guys are free to have opinions of me, just as I am of Coughlin. But I do want to clarify some errors. You say I sucked, had no business in the league. How did I play for 6 years then? Why wasn't I cut n out the leauge after 1 year (like Dillard). In fact, I played in more games than EVERY SINGLE GUY in my NY draft class: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/draft.htm You mightl say, their carriers were cut short by injury? So was mine...a torn ACL in '13 knocked me out. I'd still be playing. I was cut 3 times - NY '10, WAS '12, KC '12. I asked KC to cut me - I was inactive almost every game, and WAS rookie LB went to IR, so I wanted to go back there, n talked to the coaches about it. KC cut me (acted weird about it tho) and WAS claimed me off waivers. Fact: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2012/11/28/redskins-claim-lb-bryan-kehl-off-waivers/ That article also talks about how WAS cut me after camp - even though I led the team in Tackles, sacks, PBUs, and tied for Ints for pre season. I led the team in tackles, sacks, & FF again in pre season '13. Fact: http://www.deseretnews.com/top/1737/2/Bryan-Kehl-Washington-Redskins-linebacker-Preseason-auditions-Former-Utah-players-making-their.html I was never late to a one mtg in NY. I said-I sometimes didn't show up "early" enough for TC. If you aren't there 5 minutes before the mtg starts, he craps a brick. I knew coming into the league the ding on me was physicality. College coaches told me, scouts told me, and I'm not blind, I know how I play. I played that way for a reason, though. A neck injury in HS made me very susceptible to Stingers. I battled them all through college and the Pros - never went a year w/o getting one, usually several. They gave me an MRI in college to figure out what the issue was. Many of you said I didn't listen to coaches. Wrong. I tried to play the way they wanted me to, I just wasn't good at it. See 4 yourself: http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/giants-lb-kehl-finds-his-inner-wrath-1.1356660 Many of you laughed hard when I said I made plays. NY had a system of measuring productivity on D. X amount of pts given for a tackle, TFL, PBU, INT, etc...each worth diff pts. They totaled your pts for the game, then divided that by your snap count. How productive are you given how much you play. My rookie year I played the 1st half season b4 getting benched. Only 1 guy was higher than me - Tuck, at 34%. I was 31%. A lot of you say I was trash, had no business in the NFL, and Coughlin saw it. If that was the case - why did I play on D my very 1st game as a rook then? I was 4th round, not 1st, they had no obligation to play me. Answer - cuz I made plays in camp. So they played me on D. 1st pro game - I played 12 snaps on D - and made 5 SOLO TACKLES!! Thats not making plays? Fact: http://nypost.com/2008/09/12/rookie-lb-getting-hang-of-the-weak-side/ Its funny. Many of you say the pick vs Pitt was the only play I ever made. The irony is they benched me after that game. Why? Spagz couldn't stand any more how I played. I played no D rest of yr, till week 17 vs Minn. We had clinched #1 spot, so plan was to play subs in 2nd half of game. I went in 2nd half - had 9 tackles, 2 tfls, and a sack. Fact: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008122807/2008/REG17/giants@vikings#tab=analyze&analyze=boxscore Then they signed Boley. Ironic - cuz he was no more physical than me. But, they paid him...so they played him. I was relegated to Sp Tms in '09...what did I do? Led NY in Sp Tms tackles. They cut me after 1st game in '10. I had 4 Sp Tms tackles in that day (one was wiped out w/ offsides penalty by JPP on KO-so I was credited w/ 3). But I got beat for a blocked punt...so Coughlin showed me the door the next day. Who beat me for the blocked punt? Just some guy named Greg Hardy... http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=300912019 A lot of you wonder why I went to STL, if Spagz didn't like me? I had no choice - they claimed me off waivers. 7 teams put a claim in for me, but STL had the worst record, so they got me. Why did they claim me? The day before they lost 2 LBs, they needed one bad, and I already knew the D. It was a no brainer. Spagz 1st convo w/ me there he told me "I wasn't one of his guys." I saw the GM from STL a month ago - he confirmed it - said Spagz was "100% against it." But guess what - GMs and HCs aren't always on the same page. Just like in NY. The giants had no business drafting me. The WLB came off the field in their D in pass situations. They had a Safety play the spot. My strength was coverage and blitzing. If those coaches were smart - I would have come on the field in passing situations. (they finally figured this out - with J Williams) Other players NY had no business drafting - Sintim, Barden, Beckam, Tracy (as an LB). Sintim was a dang good player...would have thrived in a 3-4. You say I was another trash LB the giants drafted. Who in this group made the most of their career: Kehl - 6 years - 122 tackles Wilkinson - 5 yrs - 68 tackles Sintim - 4 yrs - 33 tackles Dillard - 1 yr - 4 tackles (each of those guys were drafted higher than me also) G Jones - 3 yrs - 35 tackles J Williams - 4 yrs - 242 tackles ( he started 22 games...I started 4) Speaking of him - a lot of you like him, and think I sucked. I think he is a good athlete LB. Not physical, similar to myself and Boley. Interesting that he hasn't been picked up elsewhere though... Bottom line....I in no way "trashed" Coughlin. In fact, I literally called him "an excellent coach". I just don't think he is HoF worthy. I look at the body of work. He is 54% win in his career - at BC, at Jax, and at NY. He has 2 SBs on his resume. He is also a sticky helmet catch and a Welker drop away from 0 SBs. U want to put him in the HoF on 2 crazy plays? Not me...I look at the body of work. Thanks for your time...and indulging my guilty pleasure. PS - want to know why Seattle got so good all of a sudden? They broke from NFL tradition, and their scouts and GM went to the coaches to ask them who to draft and sign...to fit their scheme. Unlike NY, they never draft a guy who doesn't fit their scheme.

Bryan, the one thing i take away from your post is that there seems to be a pattern of "its all the different teams fault for not appreciating me". I could understand 1 maybe 2 teams not realizing your value, but when it gets to 3 teams i have to assume its the player instead.

The other aspect you mentioned regarding TC "shitting a brick" is really silly. If you know he wants you there 5 mins ahead of time, why the hell would you be surprised that he got mad when you failed to do that? The solution to that? Show up 5 mins ahead of time, problem solved.

I appreciate you being a stand up guy and coming here, and I wish to thank you for your time as a Giant. Best of luck in your future endeavors

If you think this is him you're a fucking moron.

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If you think this is him you're a fucking moron.

Bryan Kehl is a very random name to know so much intimate info on. This is either a very good troll job, or it is you that is the moron. No surprise judging from the quality posts you never seem to bring to the table.

you just became the posterboy for the BBI Mouthbreathers Association. Kudos.

how random of a name Bryan Kehl is. For someone to provide as much info as this poster did, that's a very elaborate troll-job. Do I think this is 100% Kehl? No, I can't guarantee that. If someone can pretend to be Phillip Dillard and be this convincing, I'll gladly eat some crow.

I troll wouldn't be so reasonable and even keeled

Do you know of any other players in the nfl who use PEDS?

Have any trainers or conditioning coaches or any other team staff members in the NFL encouraged you to use PEDS?

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In comment 12538970 Dan in the Springs said: Quote: if you're still checking out this thread will you help me understand something? The Giants have struggled to get playmakers at the LB position for some time. I've wondered if it's in part because of what they're asking of their LBers. If you are responsible to defend your lane, hold and shed blockers, you are less likely to be able to make the flashy play. On the other hand, you may be able to prevent a bigger play. Can you tell me if what I'm thinking is correct? Is the scheme one which requires LBers to be more disciplined and prevents freestyle playmaking from the LBer position than other systems allow? Maybe we've been too hard on the LBers that have been in here because they aren't given the latitude to make plays? Thanks in advance for taking the time to respond to these questions I have. You hit the nail right on the head. Some coaches want straight X's and O's. Some coaches allow guys to be free to be playmakers. Just philosophy differences. A lot of the Giants struggles at LB come from drafting guys who don't fit their scheme. Drafting 3-4 LBs to play in a 4-3, or DE's to play LB, etc. Kiwi could have been a perennial pro bowler if he was allowed to just play DE every year, develop...and didn't have unfortunate injuries. He did okay at LB, cuz he's an athlete, but he had no business EVER playing off the line. And then the other thing is the coaches historically wouldn't let guys make plays. Sheridan was the worst at this. I was sitting there in the mtg where Osi just got up and walked out, if you remember hearing about that. He was sick of a coach who couldn't hold his jock criticizing how he played the game. Osi is the quintessential playmaker. He back doors blocks all day long, and makes big plays doing it. Spagz didn't like it, but allowed him to do it, cuz he was a star. Sheridan wasn't having any of it.

Thanks for stopping by and sharing insight. It was awesome. Sorry it didn't work out, and I can understand being bitter if you feel you weren't put in a position to succeed... but you're clearly a smart guy, and it seems like things are working out well for you. Plus you got to live the dream.

I hope you come by and post more often.

and he was allergic to contact.

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I troll wouldn't be so reasonable and even keeled

Even kehled?

Evan Kehl

Change your middle name to Gullible.

I just opened this thread again and see we most likely have the real Bryan Kehl posting.

Bryan, Thank you for participating! And if you're not Bryan Kehl, you still stoked the discussion quite well. It is a very intriguing thread.

...can probably tell that this is Kehl.

This is way too detailed for it to not be Kehl. On top of that, the poster said he would confirm and asked how he could post a picture (btw, Bryan, if you're still reading this, use the bb code under the text box you type into to post a picture).

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In comment 12544734 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: Quote: But I also think that the truly great leaders choose their moments. They get accused of having double standards or playing favorites. Coughlin, like it or not, preaches discipline and taking personal responsibility to commitments. That's why the meeting thing is a hot button. And he isn't alone. You are held to repurcussions throughout life for being untimely. Schools mark you tardy and can punish repeat offenders. Hourly workers have to punch a clock to get paid. Dentists and physicians can cancel appointments if you don't show up on time. It seems silly to be critical of expecting professionalism and conformance from a guy who comes from an era and a society that expects it. I agree with you. But I also played for 3 different HC's who went about that aspect TOTALLY different. In NY, everybodys butt hole was tight the whole day in regard to being everywhere way in advance. Spagz wasn't like that in STL, Shanahan wasn't like that, and neither was Romeo. They looked at it like - we're all grown ups, show up on time...if you're late, I will fine you. But I'm not going to make a big deal out of it. TC - made a big deal out of it. It was almost like he wanted to fine you. He fined me one time for wearing the wrong socks to a walk through. And I wasn't the only one with those socks on, either. You can choose to not believe me, that's fine. Just keep in mind - I was only answering a question. The question was - what was it like playing for TC. I am simply trying to answer that.

I have to agree with him on that one. I said many times here that the set the clock five minutes ahead crap was to me like treating a man like a child. just set a time and fine if late without the game playing.

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Change your middle name to Gullible.

You guys are pretty funny with your dupe/ troll paranoia

Photoshop must have this loon stumped. Stupid is the new American epidemic and it's spreading like wildfire across BBI.

can't have nice things

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Photoshop must have this loon stumped. Stupid is the new American epidemic and it's spreading like wildfire across BBI.

There are posters on this board that can't figure out how to post a picture.

There really isn't much to suggest that this is a dupe/troll/fake. The information was too specific, and there was too much effort.

If you get off on calling everyone else stupid, go for it. But there's more to support that this isn't a fake than evidence supporting that it isn't Kehl.

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Photoshop must have this loon stumped. Stupid is the new American epidemic and it's spreading like wildfire across BBI.

You really think a troll would have this much info into Bryan Kehl? Have you even bothered to read the thread? I'd say the chances of this being a troll is zero percent.

Stop being paranoid. It's very unbecoming

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Photoshop must have this loon stumped. Stupid is the new American epidemic and it's spreading like wildfire across BBI.

This is the exact type of shit why some ass-hats have been driven off.

A lot info given. I respect his opinions as we all don't share the same ideas, beliefs, nor thinkings. It's what makes this world. Agree or disagree.

Plus we aren't in his shoes and not behind the scenes/experiences. Kelh, I hope you come to resolve your resentment and get past it and enjoy life and future. Believe me, it's too short to hold grudges.

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In comment 12544808 BKehl said: Quote: In comment 12544734 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: Quote: But I also think that the truly great leaders choose their moments. They get accused of having double standards or playing favorites. Coughlin, like it or not, preaches discipline and taking personal responsibility to commitments. That's why the meeting thing is a hot button. And he isn't alone. You are held to repurcussions throughout life for being untimely. Schools mark you tardy and can punish repeat offenders. Hourly workers have to punch a clock to get paid. Dentists and physicians can cancel appointments if you don't show up on time. It seems silly to be critical of expecting professionalism and conformance from a guy who comes from an era and a society that expects it. I agree with you. But I also played for 3 different HC's who went about that aspect TOTALLY different. In NY, everybodys butt hole was tight the whole day in regard to being everywhere way in advance. Spagz wasn't like that in STL, Shanahan wasn't like that, and neither was Romeo. They looked at it like - we're all grown ups, show up on time...if you're late, I will fine you. But I'm not going to make a big deal out of it. TC - made a big deal out of it. It was almost like he wanted to fine you. He fined me one time for wearing the wrong socks to a walk through. And I wasn't the only one with those socks on, either. You can choose to not believe me, that's fine. Just keep in mind - I was only answering a question. The question was - what was it like playing for TC. I am simply trying to answer that. I have to agree with him on that one. I said many times here that the set the clock five minutes ahead crap was to me like treating a man like a child. just set a time and fine if late without the game playing.

He is setting a time: 5 mins prior to the start of the meeting. If that is common knowledge I don't understand why it would be an issue

is silly and or infantile(I don't because he assumed a country club atmosphere when he was hired and needed to make some changes, even if it rankled some), purposely coming a minute or so before the meeting is even more an infantile and childish type rebellion..If Strahan, O'Hara et al could get over it, Bryan Kehl should have been able to imo

His 2007 run against teams (after TB in the WC round) with a collective record of 45-6 including an 18-0 Pats team was nothing short of brilliant..His 2011 run was equally brilliant imo..

All that matters to most fans(certainly to me) are championships, anything less is meaningless..His 4 Conference championship games and 2 SB wins qualifies him for the HOF imv..He is well respected by his Peers and GMs around the league..As a good poster once said here, "Coughlin doesn't take a piss without a plan."

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is silly and or infantile(I don't because he assumed a country club atmosphere when he was hired and needed to make some changes, even if it rankled some), purposely coming a minute or so before the meeting is even more an infantile and childish type rebellion..If Strahan, O'Hara et al could get over it, Bryan Kehl should have been able to imo

My problem was more with the setting the clock ahead stuff, rather than the requirement to be 5 minutes early. That was not part of the comment by BK but that is what we heard was happening. If that clock stuff is not true, I withdraw my comment. That clock stuff is treating grown men as if they were children.

he was just answering a question asked to him.

I'd rather get the way he actually felt instead of a generic non-response. If anything else, it's just a little insight. Better than nothing, right?

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he was just answering a question asked to him. I'd rather get the way he actually felt instead of a generic non-response. If anything else, it's just a little insight. Better than nothing, right?

Absolutely..I'm thankful for his participation on this thread..

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His 2007 run against teams (after TB in the WC round) with a collective record of 45-6 including an 18-0 Pats team was nothing short of brilliant..His 2011 run was equally brilliant imo.. All that matters to most fans(certainly to me) are championships, anything less is meaningless..His 4 Conference championship games and 2 SB wins qualifies him for the HOF imv..He is well respected by his Peers and GMs around the league..As a good poster once said here, "Coughlin doesn't take a piss without a plan."

Many of us need to at our age.

In comment 12545796 Big Al said:

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In comment 12545777 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: His 2007 run against teams (after TB in the WC round) with a collective record of 45-6 including an 18-0 Pats team was nothing short of brilliant..His 2011 run was equally brilliant imo.. All that matters to most fans(certainly to me) are championships, anything less is meaningless..His 4 Conference championship games and 2 SB wins qualifies him for the HOF imv..He is well respected by his Peers and GMs around the league..As a good poster once said here, "Coughlin doesn't take a piss without a plan." True date..Lol Many of us need to at our age.

In comment 12545796 Big Al said:

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In comment 12545777 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: His 2007 run against teams (after TB in the WC round) with a collective record of 45-6 including an 18-0 Pats team was nothing short of brilliant..His 2011 run was equally brilliant imo.. All that matters to most fans(certainly to me) are championships, anything less is meaningless..His 4 Conference championship games and 2 SB wins qualifies him for the HOF imv..He is well respected by his Peers and GMs around the league..As a good poster once said here, "Coughlin doesn't take a piss without a plan." Many of us need to at our age.

Oops..True dat...Lol

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he was just answering a question asked to him. I'd rather get the way he actually felt instead of a generic non-response. If anything else, it's just a little insight. Better than nothing, right?

I stopped reading player interviews years ago because I find most of them boring and useless. Much prefer real responses even if I disagree.

In comment 12545803 Big Al said:

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In comment 12545786 Sonic Youth said: Quote: he was just answering a question asked to him. I'd rather get the way he actually felt instead of a generic non-response. If anything else, it's just a little insight. Better than nothing, right? I stopped reading player interviews years ago because I find most of them boring and useless. Much prefer real responses even if I disagree.

Agreed..The only interview of reasonable interest is the one presented by Eisen with TC, "Coughlin's Corner."

that BKehl is the real deal. Look at what he's selling. He's simply confirming and further clarifying what he said in that interview.

Now, if someone were to have set us up by spoofing the article to begin with, that would have been very clever and time-consuming.

Anyway, in considering whether this might be the real BKehl, please consider what he's been saying here.

1. He thinks Coughlin is a very good coach.

2. He thinks that Coughlin and Spags didn't take to his style of play, and that perhaps it had something to do with the idea that neither one of them viewed him as one of "their guys" from the beginning. He felt he was in a square-peg/round-hole kind of situation in terms of playing style.

3. He also thinks that he wasn't the only selection by the Giants who fit this problem, and in particular singled out Sintim as a guy with tons of talent that didn't fit the scheme. Kiwi was also singled out.

4. While he admitted that he was at first not compliant with Coughlin's five minute rule, he says he later made sure that he became compliant with it and made sure to sit in the front row during meetings to boot. Certainly he hasn't been the first player to be <5 minutes early to a meeting, but what bothered him was that he was singled out while other guys were not.

5. He also claims there was some inconsistency with how the rules were handled while he was there.

6. He admits that he has come across a little bitter and whiny and perhaps he still feels a bit that way.

7. He has backed up all of his claims with reports/articles/facts whenever possible. He has also provided specific examples by naming other players who played alongside him.

Now, imo, all of this points to an extremely honest player who is taking the time to respond to the fans who rooted for him (and some who appear to have only found fault in him). All of the previous frauds on here have had some other agenda that was obvious. Nothing like that here IMO.

this is a fanbase that turned on their best offensive player after one 5 second comment about Eli that most of this board at the time would have agreed with.

Obviously they won't take well to Kehl ripping Coughlin. But I don't understand the point in calling him a fake and driving him off the board. I'd rather have the insight than nothing else.

I agree with everything in your post, but I do think he came off as bitter. He admitted as much himself anyway, but I still think it's cool to get the insight into what it's like to be on the team we all follow so closely.

Many of you wish he were the real deal so you can delude yourself into believing you've had a 'peak behind the curtain'. Nothing has been posted that couldn't be sourced by an unemployed basement dweller with broadband and an afternoon to kill. Can't figure out the coding to post pics then email them to Eric to verify. Don't hold your breath though it ain't happening.

#kehltruther

Hahaha

In comment 12546228 Torrag said:

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Many of you wish he were the real deal so you can delude yourself into believing you've had a 'peak behind the curtain'. Nothing has been posted that couldn't be sourced by an unemployed basement dweller with broadband and an afternoon to kill. Can't figure out the coding to post pics then email them to Eric to verify. Don't hold your breath though it ain't happening.

Just seemed to be way too much effort for a dupe, and way too specific. If it's a dupe, that dupe has to be the bored-est fucking person of all time and one serious attention whore.

The other thing that convinces me that it's not a dupe is that nothing was said specifically to rile people up (aka a 'troll', if you're going by the actual definition).

Too specific, not inflammatory... hey, I guess it could be a dupe, but who gives enough of a shit to make such a huge post with obscure supporting links?

..and many other useless shitheads is who.

...that everyone engaging BKehl on this thread is thoroughly convinced that he is Bryan Kehl. Most of us maintain a healthy skepticism about everything we read on anonymous Internet boards. But it costs nothing to show a little hospitality. At worst, we might waste a few kind words on a prankster. So what? If we get pranked, and it turns out that BKehl's IP is the same as Old Dirty Beckham's, fine. We'll laugh it off and move on.

...that he is the real Bryan Kehl.

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In comment 12539052 JOrthman said: Quote: You made the comment that it wasn't your personality to show up so early...Do you think anyone who has a job, whether it is as a construction worker or works for a company, has a personality that goes along with what their boss wants? You don't do it because its within your personality, you do it because that's what your boss wants you to do. That's what being part of a team is about and what having a job is about. I totally agree with you. But I also think that the truly great leaders choose their moments. If you have a guy on your team who isn't late to a mtg, but also isn't there way in advance...is it worth it to make a big deal out of it? I personally say no...Coughlin apparently says yes. The other thing, is its not like the whole team was sitting there 5 min. early, and I came strolling in with 1 min. to go. Not even close. Plenty of guys came in when I did. Coughlin would single me out. You can choose to believe me or think I am lying. That is your freedom. But you can tell when the boss man treats you different for the same things than he does the other guys.

I wasn't in the locker room so I can't refute what your saying. However, Strahan was known for getting fined. If MS wasn't considered a favorite, who on earth was?

thinks are fraudulent ... hmmm

I believe that the real Brian Kehl is posting on this thread, and I would like to thank you for coming onto BBI and explaining yourself. Your comments were very thoughtful, interesting and provocative Brian. In my view maybe this was/is cathartic for you - I hope so anyway. I wish you well!

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thinks are fraudulent ... hmmm I believe that the real Brian Kehl is posting on this thread, and I would like to thank you for coming onto BBI and explaining yourself. Your comments were very thoughtful, interesting and provocative Brian. In my view maybe this was/is cathartic for you - I hope so anyway. I wish you well!

also I'm sorry for butchering your name : )

Good stuff. I think it really is Bryan Kehl and he still could be Rich Houston's dupe?

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..and many other useless shitheads is who.

Torrag, perhaps you are correct. I was skeptical, but I don't know if it was him.

That said, is it really necessary to be an insufferable asshole about it? I'm starting to hope it is him so we can rub your smug nose in it.

Eat it, haters! WAHOOWA!

Seriously, though, I said it from the day they drafted him - he made no sense on the Giants, and I was his biggest fan on this board. Had he not wrecked his knee, he would have ended up in Pittsburgh or Green Bay and shown what he could do as a 3-4 pass rushing LB.

in this post is the pointing out that other coaches Kehl has played under don't do what Coughlin does. The thing with that is that those other coaches don't have Coughlin's record of success, either.

The premise of the argument seems to be that if Coughlin did things differently, he'd be more successful. So how successful would he have been? Are we talking four Super Bowls? A string of 10 years without missing the playoffs?

If you're realistic about the landscape of the NFL, you'd have to accept that Coughlin has a terrific record as a head coach and that his rules are probably a part of why he has that success.

On-line imposters seem to be a sore subject for you. Nobody likes to be suckered, but the stakes here are quite low (just a bit of pride), and the execution level of the masquerade - if that's what it is - seems pretty high.

Your demeanor suggests that you have concrete proof that BKehl isn't Bryan Kehl. For example: an ISP tracert indicates that BKehl was posting from a basement in Maywood on a night when Bryan Kehl was in Utah. Short of that, I'm not sure what has you so convinced - his failure (so far) to post a picture? Well, OK. My advice would be to sit back and enjoy watching us fawn over a fake.

And I would be surprised if someone went through that much trouble just to impersonate Bryan Kehl and respond to this thread. Stranger things have happened, I guess, but it doesn't feel like that.

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in this post is the pointing out that other coaches Kehl has played under don't do what Coughlin does. The thing with that is that those other coaches don't have Coughlin's record of success, either. The premise of the argument seems to be that if Coughlin did things differently, he'd be more successful. So how successful would he have been? Are we talking four Super Bowls? A string of 10 years without missing the playoffs? If you're realistic about the landscape of the NFL, you'd have to accept that Coughlin has a terrific record as a head coach and that his rules are probably a part of why he has that success.

YOu don't think Coughlin could do any better in the regular season? It'd be nice to have Belichick's type of consistency in that regard.

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And I would be surprised if someone went through that much trouble just to impersonate Bryan Kehl and respond to this thread. Stranger things have happened, I guess, but it doesn't feel like that.

Call me when Phillip Dillard starts posting next.

relate well with the other players.

He ate by himself and didn't iteract with other players. On the surface, then, not much of a team mate.

Why so aloof when FB is a team game?

Even if from different backgrounds or nothing in common or I like meditating during lunch, one should try to connect with teammates. Maybe he did in other ways, not sure but you raise the same question I had.

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Eat it, haters! WAHOOWA! Seriously, though, I said it from the day they drafted him - he made no sense on the Giants, and I was his biggest fan on this board. Had he not wrecked his knee, he would have ended up in Pittsburgh or Green Bay and shown what he could do as a 3-4 pass rushing LB.

that's probably one of the best examples of BBI first-guessing a draft pick and being right about it. I recall immediately following that pick there were numerous posters pointing out that he didn't make any sense.

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Greg from LI said: RE: I have to say, Kehl is dead on about Sintim Enzo said: That's probably one of the best examples of BBI first-guessing a draft pick and being right about it. I recall immediately following that pick there were numerous posters pointing out that he didn't make any sense.

True, but look who had BBI buzzing after his debut.
All aboard the Clint Sintim Fan Club! - ( New Window )

Nobody seems to have minded the trade-up either.

Just for giggles, here's the least prophetic post on a very unprophetic Draft Day thread:

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Check this out: Enoch : 4/27/2008 1:11 pm : link From the nfl.com "Q&A": Quote: What is one thing your teammates don't know about you? I was mad the two-a-days practice were cancelled. I love practice. I think Coughlin already loves this guy.

Sorry Enoch.
Draft Day 2008 Thread on 4th Round Pick Bryan Kehl. - ( New Window )

In comment 12547607 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Quote: Greg from LI said: RE: I have to say, Kehl is dead on about Sintim Enzo said: That's probably one of the best examples of BBI first-guessing a draft pick and being right about it. I recall immediately following that pick there were numerous posters pointing out that he didn't make any sense. True, but look who had BBI buzzing after his debut. All aboard the Clint Sintim Fan Club! - ( New Window )

Blogs -- now that was a funny little chit-fest -- especially my buddy/colleague Anak -- who I love -- but man -- he goes right out and declares his own brilliance with the Giants agreeing with him over the selections of Sintim and Barden -- LoL

Most Giant picks get at least a "wait and see" or a half-hearted "In Reese We Trust". Sintim got full-on hate from a lot of posters, starting ten seconds after he was drafted.
2009 Draft Day: New York Giants Select LB Clint Sintim - ( New Window )

In comment 12546977 David in LA said:

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In comment 12546945 Greg from LI said: Quote: And I would be surprised if someone went through that much trouble just to impersonate Bryan Kehl and respond to this thread. Stranger things have happened, I guess, but it doesn't feel like that. Call me when Phillip Dillard starts posting next.

He liked one of my comments on Bleacher Report's Facebook this past week.