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Headhunter : 10/9/2015 6:35 am
woke to continue on the 11 yr shooting the 9 yr old thread, and overnight that became old news. I wake to the new shooting of the day
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This shit has to stop.  
BlueGuy : 10/9/2015 6:38 am : link
I'm all for gun possession but at what cost now?


When will it fucking stop?  
illmatic : 10/9/2015 6:40 am : link
Jesus christ.
Let me get this out of the way  
Headhunter : 10/9/2015 6:51 am : link
Gangbangers in Chicago Baltimore Detroit and other major cities use illegal guns that are easy to get easy to skirt any law on the books that are written or will be written. Bad guys will find a way to get their hands on some of the 350 million guns out there. And go
Better to go after the root cause  
Bill L : 10/9/2015 6:54 am : link
we need to reduce the number of colleges, schools and other points of gathering. But, like always, politicians refuse to do anything to help. Sad really.
RE: Better to go after the root cause  
Reb8thVA : 10/9/2015 6:58 am : link
In comment 12535856 Bill L said:
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we need to reduce the number of colleges, schools and other points of gathering. But, like always, politicians refuse to do anything to help. Sad really.


I think it's a conspiracy driven by proponents of the "on line" degrees.
Exactly  
Headhunter : 10/9/2015 6:58 am : link
we build places where large number of people can gather making them sitting ducks.
We may have to consider a "purge"  
GiantsUA : 10/9/2015 7:08 am : link
narrow it down to one day a year.
Good idea  
Headhunter : 10/9/2015 7:10 am : link
make it a National Holiday. "Get it out of your system day"
This is  
River Mike : 10/9/2015 7:13 am : link
what it's come to, huh?
Ok...with the idea of starting a Purge holiday...  
RC02XX : 10/9/2015 7:17 am : link
I'll start a team and will open up membership to certain individuals I deem worthy. The benefit of joining my team is that you'll be with a winning team...and guns...lots of guns. Any one of these factors may help you to gain membership:

1) Being a hot female
2) Being extremely rich
3) Knowing how to cook well (I get to determine if you do)
4) Not minding if you are part of a dictatorship ran by me

Applications will be accepted following the Columbus Day weekend.
This is a disaster  
mrvax : 10/9/2015 7:18 am : link
and I have not heard 1 real good plan yet to end this "National Tragedy".

Why is this an epidemic in the USA and not Canada for example?
RE: Better to go after the root cause  
barens : 10/9/2015 7:19 am : link
In comment 12535856 Bill L said:
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we need to reduce the number of colleges, schools and other points of gathering. But, like always, politicians refuse to do anything to help. Sad really.


No, lets up the anti and let teachers have guns, or better yet, lets get security guards with guns in every school across the country.
Sad.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/9/2015 7:20 am : link
And predictable. We have a problem in this nation and we need to do something about it. But I fear we won't.
RE: RE: Better to go after the root cause  
Sec 103 : 10/9/2015 7:26 am : link
In comment 12535867 barens said:
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In comment 12535856 Bill L said:


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we need to reduce the number of colleges, schools and other points of gathering. But, like always, politicians refuse to do anything to help. Sad really.



No, lets up the anti and let teachers have guns, or better yet, lets get security guards with guns in every school across the country.


Maybe that's what's needed...
Teachers and Security Guards  
Headhunter : 10/9/2015 7:26 am : link
might be too late , give all the kids guns, nothing heavy like Glocks or AK47's, derringers and 22's would work. Start them in preK without bullets. When they hit first grade they should be able to handle their piece responsibly and then you give them ammo
I'm starting to wonder if people thought I was joking  
Bill L : 10/9/2015 7:28 am : link
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Headhunter  
Carthonfan : 10/9/2015 7:35 am : link
Your statement that bad guys will always find guns is too categorical. Other countries have stricter guns laws and fewer gun deaths. It's clearly a complicated issue with illegal guns on the street but the ability to get an illegal gun is often dictated by circumstance, geography, and resourcefulness. The fact is, it's much easier to get a legal gun for these mass shootings. That is the common thread. You should read this info graphic


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I Love Clams Casino : 10/9/2015 7:39 am : link
RE: Headhunter  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/9/2015 7:39 am : link
In comment 12535886 Carthonfan said:
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Your statement that bad guys will always find guns is too categorical. Other countries have stricter guns laws and fewer gun deaths. It's clearly a complicated issue with illegal guns on the street but the ability to get an illegal gun is often dictated by circumstance, geography, and resourcefulness. The fact is, it's much easier to get a legal gun for these mass shootings. That is the common thread. You should read this info graphic
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He's joking
Ok missed the sarcasm  
Carthonfan : 10/9/2015 7:42 am : link
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RE: I'm starting to wonder if people thought I was joking  
barens : 10/9/2015 7:46 am : link
In comment 12535877 Bill L said:
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I knew you were, I was as well.
RE: Ok...with the idea of starting a Purge holiday...  
section125 : 10/9/2015 7:50 am : link
In comment 12535865 RC02XX said:
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I'll start a team and will open up membership to certain individuals I deem worthy. The benefit of joining my team is that you'll be with a winning team...and guns...lots of guns. Any one of these factors may help you to gain membership:

1) Being a hot female
2) Being extremely rich
3) Knowing how to cook well (I get to determine if you do)
4) Not minding if you are part of a dictatorship ran by me

Applications will be accepted following the Columbus Day weekend.


I'm applying early.

1.) Not a hot female - tough
2.) Not rich, but self sufficient
3.) Can cook well and for a large group - did AFJROTC week as chief cook for 120+; bonus - all survived without diarrhea.
4.) School background indicates I can be part of a dictatorship (but don't turn your back)
5.) Can bring my own tools
RE: Let me get this out of the way  
LS : 10/9/2015 8:03 am : link
In comment 12535855 Headhunter said:
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Gangbangers in Chicago Baltimore Detroit and other major cities use illegal guns that are easy to get easy to skirt any law on the books that are written or will be written. Bad guys will find a way to get their hands on some of the 350 million guns out there. And go
Agreed.
RE: RE: Ok...with the idea of starting a Purge holiday...  
RC02XX : 10/9/2015 8:07 am : link
In comment 12535906 section125 said:
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I'm applying early.

1.) Not a hot female - tough
2.) Not rich, but self sufficient
3.) Can cook well and for a large group - did AFJROTC week as chief cook for 120+; bonus - all survived without diarrhea.
4.) School background indicates I can be part of a dictatorship (but don't turn your back)
5.) Can bring my own tools


Your application is under consideration. However, to be honest with you, I'm not liking your chances. Now if you were an Air Force Academy grad, I might reconsider...bahahaha...who am I kidding? You're in! Just having "Marine" in your alma matre is good enough for me even if it has totally a different meaning. Having said that, two of the best Marine officers I've worked with were both Merchant Marine Academy grads. One was a tanker and the other was an infantry officer.
Ronnie will be easy to poison.  
GiantFilthy : 10/9/2015 8:10 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: Ok...with the idea of starting a Purge holiday...  
section125 : 10/9/2015 8:14 am : link
In comment 12535922 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12535906 section125 said:


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I'm applying early.

1.) Not a hot female - tough
2.) Not rich, but self sufficient
3.) Can cook well and for a large group - did AFJROTC week as chief cook for 120+; bonus - all survived without diarrhea.
4.) School background indicates I can be part of a dictatorship (but don't turn your back)
5.) Can bring my own tools



Your application is under consideration. However, to be honest with you, I'm not liking your chances. Now if you were an Air Force Academy grad, I might reconsider...bahahaha...who am I kidding? You're in! Just having "Marine" in your alma matre is good enough for me even if it has totally a different meaning. Having said that, two of the best Marine officers I've worked with were both Merchant Marine Academy grads. One was a tanker and the other was an infantry officer.


If you consider AFA a better choice, maybe I'll withdraw my application. They're not called "chair force" for nothing. Besides, on top, you'd have a built in logistics officer (notice I've promoted myself).. my app just got stronger.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ok...with the idea of starting a Purge holiday...  
RC02XX : 10/9/2015 8:18 am : link
In comment 12535927 section125 said:
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If you consider AFA a better choice, maybe I'll withdraw my application. They're not called "chair force" for nothing. Besides, on top, you'd have a built in logistics officer (notice I've promoted myself).. my app just got stronger.


Ha! I like your drive to move up in ranks! Now for these guns...where can we get some more before they're outlawed?
We are all to blame....  
Reb8thVA : 10/9/2015 8:20 am : link
We get the government we deserve. As Lincoln said in the Gettysburg Addresss, it's a government of the people, by the people, for the people. If you don't like where things are going, take a look in the mirror and then get off you ass and do something about it. Just don't accept the status quo. In clued myself in this rant.
Mass shootings  
LS : 10/9/2015 8:20 am : link
I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.
It is never going to stop so I propose  
Headhunter : 10/9/2015 8:25 am : link
every wears a holster with 2 six shooters. If someone disses you, you go onto the street and have a shootout like the beginning of Gunsmoke.just make murder legal. Problem solved and we can all move on
So  
jtfuoco : 10/9/2015 8:25 am : link
what purge movie did you guys like better for me the second one was way better it had a 1980s survival horror movie feeling to it which I liked. RCO2XX I can picture you as the guy with shades in the back of the Trailer with the mini gun.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ok...with the idea of starting a Purge holiday...  
section125 : 10/9/2015 8:26 am : link
In comment 12535930 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12535927 section125 said:


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Ha! I like your drive to move up in ranks! Now for these guns...where can we get some more before they're outlawed?


I suggest BYOG - that way we know the applicant has at least seen one out of a box. That way we can be part of a "Well Regulated Militia." We then fulfill our oath to the Constitution.
We should definitely at the least give guns  
Headhunter : 10/9/2015 8:29 am : link
to mental patients in institutions and let them thin out the herd. Just arm them, send them into a common room, close the lights, come back in 2 hours, turn on the lights, cart out the dead and repeat the next day
RE: Mass shootings  
Cam in MO : 10/9/2015 8:30 am : link
In comment 12535933 LS said:
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I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.


Yes, because the kids that are shooting classmates that they hate would surely not get them all at school if they knew it wasn't a "gun free zone".

Such fantastic fucking logic.

Gun free zone has little to nothing to do with why these crazy fucks target their own schools in the vast majority of cases.

I don't necessarily think getting rid of guns is the answer. "More guns!" certainly isn't the answer, either.


I wonder if we could get it all out of our system  
Bill L : 10/9/2015 8:31 am : link
if we selected two people from every state, using a lottery system, and brought them all together in one place. Then we could arm them; in fact give them a choice of weapons. Over the course of a few days they could then attempt to kill each other until only one was left who would be declared the victor and win tons of valuable prizes. The losers, of course, would receive departing gifts. We could do this every year and turn it into a big gala event.

That might sate our appetites for violence and lead to tranquility over the rest of the year.
RE: RE: Mass shootings  
Bill L : 10/9/2015 8:32 am : link
In comment 12535944 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 12535933 LS said:


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I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.



Yes, because the kids that are shooting classmates that they hate would surely not get them all at school if they knew it wasn't a "gun free zone".

Such fantastic fucking logic.

Gun free zone has little to nothing to do with why these crazy fucks target their own schools in the vast majority of cases.

I don't necessarily think getting rid of guns is the answer. "More guns!" certainly isn't the answer, either.

But fewer schools just might be.
If taken alive the perpetrator  
BlueHurricane : 10/9/2015 8:32 am : link
need to be punished in a way that will make the next sicko think twice about attempting to carry out the same type of crime. Unfortunately we are too civilized for that.
We are too civilized?  
Headhunter : 10/9/2015 8:37 am : link
We shoot and kill first graders and shrug if off and you think we are too civilized? We are fucking animals that thank God 99.99 percent of us keep keep our muderous instincts under control.
If you stopped selling guns completely the problem wouldn't....  
Crispino : 10/9/2015 8:38 am : link
be solved. The guns are already out there and there is no way to get the genie back in the bottle. It's a perfect shitstorm right now. Millions of guns, soft targets, a sick population who don't get the mental help they need, and a media environment that feeds the delusions of these sick individuals. I have no idea how we will ever stop this.
I know it's big news these days, but how many people a year die from  
SoDev : 10/9/2015 8:39 am : link
mass shootings? It's absolutely horrible, but what is the perspective? Really curious. Like is it the same amount of kids that drown each year in pools?

Guns are just the best tool, so it's used most often. I get the idea that with a knife it's harder to take out many people, but if guns didn't exist these people would build pipe bombs and set some off in crowded places, etc. There are many creative ways to cause more destruction. People are going to destroy if they want to.
Crispino  
Headhunter : 10/9/2015 8:40 am : link
It doesn't end, the good guys lost
who are the good guys, exactly?  
Bill L : 10/9/2015 8:43 am : link
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We won't truly be safe until everyone has a gun  
BeerFridge : 10/9/2015 8:46 am : link
at all times.
good guys is a relevant term  
Headhunter : 10/9/2015 8:51 am : link
I guess it is the people who try to get through this life without hurting others?
RE: Mass shootings  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/9/2015 8:52 am : link
In comment 12535933 LS said:
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I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.


That argument, "banning cars, banning knives" the major difference between a car or a knife and a gun is.....GUNS HAVE ONE USE, and one use only....THEY SHOOT BULLETS.....

You see with a car you can drive around in them and go places, and with knives you can cut butter and meat or filet a fish......with a gun you can........you can......errr....shoot bullets.

and to preempt the responses like "what about a gun without bullets?", I maintain that guns have a sole purpose.
little off subject  
Headhunter : 10/9/2015 8:57 am : link
guns only shoot bullets. Those of us old enough to remember the original Superman TV show recall the episode where the bad guy is shooting Superman and Superman just stands there with his hands on his hips and a smile on his face as the guy empties his gun. When they guy runs out of bullets he throws his gun at Superman who ducks and has a holy shit that could hurt look on his face.
Terrible  
WideRight : 10/9/2015 8:58 am : link
At least there were no students involved
RE: RE: Mass shootings  
Cam in MO : 10/9/2015 8:59 am : link
In comment 12535989 I Love Clams Casino said:
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In comment 12535933 LS said:


Quote:


I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.



That argument, "banning cars, banning knives" the major difference between a car or a knife and a gun is.....GUNS HAVE ONE USE, and one use only....THEY SHOOT BULLETS.....

You see with a car you can drive around in them and go places, and with knives you can cut butter and meat or filet a fish......with a gun you can........you can......errr....shoot bullets.

and to preempt the responses like "what about a gun without bullets?", I maintain that guns have a sole purpose.


What about nerf guns, Mr. Smarty Pants?


How about paint guns? Spray guns? Refractory guns? Hmmm?


RE: I know it's big news these days, but how many people a year die from  
Sonic Youth : 10/9/2015 9:00 am : link
In comment 12535963 SoDev said:
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mass shootings? It's absolutely horrible, but what is the perspective? Really curious. Like is it the same amount of kids that drown each year in pools?

Guns are just the best tool, so it's used most often. I get the idea that with a knife it's harder to take out many people, but if guns didn't exist these people would build pipe bombs and set some off in crowded places, etc. There are many creative ways to cause more destruction. People are going to destroy if they want to.
yeah, building a pipe bomb is just as easy as shooting a gun.
RE: I know it's big news these days, but how many people a year die from  
BeerFridge : 10/9/2015 9:03 am : link
In comment 12535963 SoDev said:
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mass shootings? It's absolutely horrible, but what is the perspective? Really curious. Like is it the same amount of kids that drown each year in pools?

Guns are just the best tool, so it's used most often. I get the idea that with a knife it's harder to take out many people, but if guns didn't exist these people would build pipe bombs and set some off in crowded places, etc. There are many creative ways to cause more destruction. People are going to destroy if they want to.


Yes they will, if they want to. But guns make it incredibly easy.
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