900 mass shooting deaths in the last 7 years (reported 2013). Dunno if that includes gang-bangers.
About 390 kids die each year in pools.
Perspective. I know it's scary, but you are more likely to drown in a pool next year than get caught in a mass shooting.
I know, we do things that are fun and stuff. Just saying it's not the epidemic it seems at times.
We need to quit making the shooters infamous in the media. Report the shooting. Leave out the picture and name of the shooters. Maybe prevent some of the copycats.
RE: I wonder if we could get it all out of our system
if we selected two people from every state, using a lottery system, and brought them all together in one place. Then we could arm them; in fact give them a choice of weapons. Over the course of a few days they could then attempt to kill each other until only one was left who would be declared the victor and win tons of valuable prizes. The losers, of course, would receive departing gifts. We could do this every year and turn it into a big gala event.
That might sate our appetites for violence and lead to tranquility over the rest of the year.
Dude...the lawyers for Hunger Games author will be contacting you soon.
mass shootings? It's absolutely horrible, but what is the perspective? Really curious. Like is it the same amount of kids that drown each year in pools?
Guns are just the best tool, so it's used most often. I get the idea that with a knife it's harder to take out many people, but if guns didn't exist these people would build pipe bombs and set some off in crowded places, etc. There are many creative ways to cause more destruction. People are going to destroy if they want to.
yeah, building a pipe bomb is just as easy as shooting a gun.
Just an example. When school let's out drive over kids in a big truck. Certainly that is just as easy.
I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.
Yes, because the kids that are shooting classmates that they hate would surely not get them all at school if they knew it wasn't a "gun free zone".
Such fantastic fucking logic.
Gun free zone has little to nothing to do with why these crazy fucks target their own schools in the vast majority of cases.
I don't necessarily think getting rid of guns is the answer. "More guns!" certainly isn't the answer, either.
Idiot logic. If we protect the schools with armed security they wouldn't be safer. Brilliant.
I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.
Yes, because the kids that are shooting classmates that they hate would surely not get them all at school if they knew it wasn't a "gun free zone".
Such fantastic fucking logic.
Gun free zone has little to nothing to do with why these crazy fucks target their own schools in the vast majority of cases.
I don't necessarily think getting rid of guns is the answer. "More guns!" certainly isn't the answer, either.
But fewer schools just might be.
But wouldn't fewer schools just have more targets in one place?
I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.
That argument, "banning cars, banning knives" the major difference between a car or a knife and a gun is.....GUNS HAVE ONE USE, and one use only....THEY SHOOT BULLETS.....
You see with a car you can drive around in them and go places, and with knives you can cut butter and meat or filet a fish......with a gun you can........you can......errr....shoot bullets.
and to preempt the responses like "what about a gun without bullets?", I maintain that guns have a sole purpose.
Hunting, sport shooting, and protection. Those are the intended uses for guns. Fertilizer has one main use too but apparently it can be used to blow things up.
900 mass shooting deaths in the last 7 years (reported 2013). Dunno if that includes gang-bangers.
About 390 kids die each year in pools.
Perspective. I know it's scary, but you are more likely to drown in a pool next year than get caught in a mass shooting.
I know, we do things that are fun and stuff. Just saying it's not the epidemic it seems at times.
We need to quit making the shooters infamous in the media. Report the shooting. Leave out the picture and name of the shooters. Maybe prevent some of the copycats.
Or have these mass shootings just become a soapbox?
Judging by the comedy hour in this thread I think most people don't care much about this particular one. Either that or everyone is probably numb to it at this point which is really sad.
Not on this forum, but I've already read and heard lots of comments similar to "well, it was only one person killed and three others wounded so it wasn't so bad. Not as bad as usual." How sad is it that this is the state of our country? People at school trying to set themselves up for their future are killed all the time here, completely robbed of that future, and it just seems like no big deal to people half the time.
But like plenty of others have said, if a bunch of children being massacred didn't change anything, nothing will.
What we need to do is place armed guards at the schools not making them soft targets anymore. We have thousands of ex military and law enforcement who are capable and available to watch our schools.
The people who do the mass shootings are cowards and target places where there is no or little challenge to them. They might find other soft targets but our schools would be safe.
What we need to do is place armed guards at the schools not making them soft targets anymore. We have thousands of ex military and law enforcement who are capable and available to watch our schools.
The people who do the mass shootings are cowards and target places where there is no or little challenge to them. They might find other soft targets but our schools would be safe.
What we need to do is place armed guards at the schools not making them soft targets anymore. We have thousands of ex military and law enforcement who are capable and available to watch our schools.
The people who do the mass shootings are cowards and target places where there is no or little challenge to them. They might find other soft targets but our schools would be safe.
At 1 in the morning?
Also, didn't work at Columbine.
The root of the problem is the Citizens United decision
that allows corporations to control congressmen. Gun legislation is popular, but a majority of congressmen and senators are so beholden to the gun lobby and their NRA that nothing can get passed.
What we need to do is place armed guards at the schools not making them soft targets anymore. We have thousands of ex military and law enforcement who are capable and available to watch our schools.
The people who do the mass shootings are cowards and target places where there is no or little challenge to them. They might find other soft targets but our schools would be safe.
At 1 in the morning?
Also, didn't work at Columbine.
Columbine didn't happen at one in the morning when school wasn't in session if you recall.
Hunting, sport shooting, and protection. Those are the intended uses for guns. Fertilizer has one main use too but apparently it can be used to blow things up.
Yup, they shoot bullets. That's what I said.
Lets pretend we have TIME MACHINE -
FREEZE FRAME - Your kid is in a classroom, and a lunatic with a loaded AK-47 gun walks in with some crazy motive - UN-FREEZE FRAME
What's your stance on gun control now?
Ask yourself this - Would you rather be in a classroom with a guy with an AK-47 pointed at everybody, or would you rather be in the path of a guy with a car intent on running people down?
Classroom with a guy with an AK, or a knife?
Classroom with a guy with an AK, or a bag of fertilizer?
Point is, it's too easy to kill somebody with a gun. You can conceal it, walk in a public area and take out a lot of people at once with little to no effort.
What we need to do is place armed guards at the schools not making them soft targets anymore. We have thousands of ex military and law enforcement who are capable and available to watch our schools.
The people who do the mass shootings are cowards and target places where there is no or little challenge to them. They might find other soft targets but our schools would be safe.
At 1 in the morning?
Also, didn't work at Columbine.
Columbine didn't happen at one in the morning when school wasn't in session if you recall.
Yes, it happened in the middle of the day with an armed security officer present.
Hunting, sport shooting, and protection. Those are the intended uses for guns. Fertilizer has one main use too but apparently it can be used to blow things up.
Yup, they shoot bullets. That's what I said.
Lets pretend we have TIME MACHINE -
FREEZE FRAME - Your kid is in a classroom, and a lunatic with a loaded AK-47 gun walks in with some crazy motive - UN-FREEZE FRAME
What's your stance on gun control now?
Ask yourself this - Would you rather be in a classroom with a guy with an AK-47 pointed at everybody, or would you rather be in the path of a guy with a car intent on running people down?
Classroom with a guy with an AK, or a knife?
Classroom with a guy with an AK, or a bag of fertilizer?
Point is, it's too easy to kill somebody with a gun. You can conceal it, walk in a public area and take out a lot of people at once with little to no effort.
I have an 8yo boy in the third grade. I don't think you post has the impact that you think it does. So your saying some random crazy fuck wants to take my kid out at school. What does it matter if it's a rope or AK or a truck. He kills my kid I'm devastated. The gun doesn't change anything in this scenario to me. Sure the AK can do more damage, potentially, but if a grown man comes in and stabs 5 kids or runs over 20 and 1 is mine what is the diff.?
reason why gun control laws havn't worked in places like Baltimore and Chicago is because of the extremely lax gun control laws in neighboring states. You can have the toughest local gun control laws in the world but if there's easy access to firearms right nearby, guns are still going to be gotten by those that want them.
If you really want to decrease murders by guns then you'll need a strong federal bill and a strong gun buy-back program. Australia had a serious gun violence program and passed strong anti-gun laws in 1996 and had an almost immediate dramatic decrease in gun violence. It's a shame certain politicians are too fat with gun lobby money to try and prevent that constant gun deaths from occurring.
I have an 8yo boy in the third grade. I don't think you post has the impact that you think it does. So your saying some random crazy fuck wants to take my kid out at school. What does it matter if it's a rope or AK or a truck. He kills my kid I'm devastated. The gun doesn't change anything in this scenario to me. Sure the AK can do more damage, potentially, but if a grown man comes in and stabs 5 kids or runs over 20 and 1 is mine what is the diff.?
You selectively freeze framed at the wrong point....you said
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He kills my kid I'm devastated.
I am saying which situation would you want your kid to be in at THAT POINT in time? Nobody has been killed yet...A guy with an AK who could potentially mow down the entire class? OR a guy with a knife who starts lunging at people trying to stab them to death?
For the most part, knives are designed to cut things for utility.
What are guns designed to do?
1) I don't think knives were designed for utility use. In all likelihood, they were designed to kill prey.
2) Who cares what guns were designed for? They exist today, to the tune of 360 million in the United Sates. If you are proposing a full scale recall, it will never happen and it will never work.
3) Both sides need to stop digging into their trenches and need to come to the table to enact stricter gun ownership laws. Both sides are afraid to come to the table, as they feel they will not get everything they want. I don't understand why both sides see this as an all or nothing topic.
My point was just directed towards the people that say...
several things keep popping up, SSRIs, pussified beta males in skinny jeans worrying about why the cannot secure dates relationships with females, violent video games, etc..Seems like a great place to start to investigate as peoples actions are largely defined "by their environment" as science keeping telling us as a mantra.
I think it is convenient for politicians to use these events to attempt to thwart our rights without considering the root cause of these actions..We also have the world government types that do not want us to have guns either. .
What would be interesting is go back many years and catalog all of the data statistically to determine if this is really something new or just sensationalized and framed by the media for an intended effect. That is their business to frame something to sway your thoughts and emotions. Anyone that has studied communications theory in a university can see right through this shit.
As an example, Chicago has consistently the same or more murders every week than one of these events and is a gunfree environment, except for the individual committing the murders. Why isn't that discussed?
Seems to me that when you look at the stats, everything is worse when the guns are taken away. What is more amusing is a POTUS that seems he can bypass laws and constitutional rights.
RE: RE: Wait, an AK can *potentially* do more damage than rope?
Man, I've been using rope the wrong fucking way all these years.
yah well apparently these "you gonna ban cars, knives?" people need it spelled out.
The statistics clearly show that you or a loved one is more likely to die by stabbing as opposed to a rifle, or more specifically, an "assault" rifle. Although I am sure you are already aware of the statistics, so please feel free to continue to be sarcastic if it is a means to help you cope.
Not sure why I am getting sucked into this pointless discussion. I assume we all want the same thing -- for this shit to stop.
And predictable. We have a problem in this nation and we need to do something about it. But I fear we won't.
It's a real shame the left did nothing when it had control of the White House, Congress, and Senate.
They can't. This is just Kabuki theatre that benefits politicians at the expense of the individuals lives because we a civilization in decline because of our leaders. Good luck taking away that 2nd ammendment. Best comment of the week, Matt Drudge asked Obama and Hillary to disarm themselves like they want everyone to do. Priceless and exposes this whole situation. Its not the guns, its the fucking people.
Bill L playbook. Let's see, talking about gun control is ghoulish. Knee slappers are a-ok. Got it. Just checking.
I'm...evolving (the term of the day, I suppose). Seeing as I was quickly disabused of the notion that exploitation was in bad form. So, just joining in with everyone else and their ideas of what's wrong and what should be done.
900 mass shooting deaths in the last 7 years (reported 2013). Dunno if that includes gang-bangers.
About 390 kids die each year in pools.
Perspective. I know it's scary, but you are more likely to drown in a pool next year than get caught in a mass shooting.
I know, we do things that are fun and stuff. Just saying it's not the epidemic it seems at times.
We need to quit making the shooters infamous in the media. Report the shooting. Leave out the picture and name of the shooters. Maybe prevent some of the copycats.
I don't think anyone thinks its likely. The outrage comes from it being so senseless and the victims so innocent. At least with drowning's while a horrible accident for sure there is some personal responsibly involved. Sending your child off to school shouldn't be in the same classification.
I do agree however that the time has come to not publicize anything about these killers. Don't give them the one thing some of them may crave, notoriety.
What is more amusing is a POTUS that seems he can bypass laws
I have an 8yo boy in the third grade. I don't think you post has the impact that you think it does. So your saying some random crazy fuck wants to take my kid out at school. What does it matter if it's a rope or AK or a truck. He kills my kid I'm devastated. The gun doesn't change anything in this scenario to me. Sure the AK can do more damage, potentially, but if a grown man comes in and stabs 5 kids or runs over 20 and 1 is mine what is the diff.?
You selectively freeze framed at the wrong point....you said
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He kills my kid I'm devastated.
I am saying which situation would you want your kid to be in at THAT POINT in time? Nobody has been killed yet...A guy with an AK who could potentially mow down the entire class? OR a guy with a knife who starts lunging at people trying to stab them to death?
I'll take the AK over a couple pipe bombs, few Molotov cocktails or homemade napalm that I could make when I was 14, before the internet was even available. How about that.
I have an 8yo boy in the third grade. I don't think you post has the impact that you think it does. So your saying some random crazy fuck wants to take my kid out at school. What does it matter if it's a rope or AK or a truck. He kills my kid I'm devastated. The gun doesn't change anything in this scenario to me. Sure the AK can do more damage, potentially, but if a grown man comes in and stabs 5 kids or runs over 20 and 1 is mine what is the diff.?
You selectively freeze framed at the wrong point....you said
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He kills my kid I'm devastated.
I am saying which situation would you want your kid to be in at THAT POINT in time? Nobody has been killed yet...A guy with an AK who could potentially mow down the entire class? OR a guy with a knife who starts lunging at people trying to stab them to death?
I'll take the AK over a couple pipe bombs, few Molotov cocktails or homemade napalm that I could make when I was 14, before the internet was even available. How about that.
You could design pipe bombs or molotov cocktails and homemade napalm also? Are you Peter Parker, could you make webshooters at 15 as well?
You're acting like making homemade fucking napalm is like preparing a bowl of cereal.
Are you implying that the difficulty of cooking up homemade explosives would not be a deterrent to these people? Are you implying that these people would be making pipe bombs instead if they didn't have guns at the same clip?
How many people have gone into their school and set it ablaze with homemade napalm?
Maybe you were being sarcastic and I missed it.
RE: RE: RE: Wait, an AK can *potentially* do more damage than rope?
Man, I've been using rope the wrong fucking way all these years.
yah well apparently these "you gonna ban cars, knives?" people need it spelled out.
The statistics clearly show that you or a loved one is more likely to die by stabbing as opposed to a rifle, or more specifically, an "assault" rifle. Although I am sure you are already aware of the statistics, so please feel free to continue to be sarcastic if it is a means to help you cope.
Not sure why I am getting sucked into this pointless discussion. I assume we all want the same thing -- for this shit to stop.
Thats true is you single out "rifles" from all firearms, but you are much more likely to be killed with a gun than a knife Link - ( New Window )
And predictable. We have a problem in this nation and we need to do something about it. But I fear we won't.
It's a real shame the left did nothing when it had control of the White House, Congress, and Senate.
They can't. This is just Kabuki theatre that benefits politicians at the expense of the individuals lives because we a civilization in decline because of our leaders. Good luck taking away that 2nd ammendment. Best comment of the week, Matt Drudge asked Obama and Hillary to disarm themselves like they want everyone to do. Priceless and exposes this whole situation. Its not the guns, its the fucking people.
Obama and Clinton are the god damn President and Secretary of State. We've had Presidents and politicians assassinated and shot. They're public figures and targets.
It's completely different from your average joe schmo. This proves absolutely nothing and is such a false dichotomy.
900 mass shooting deaths in the last 7 years (reported 2013). Dunno if that includes gang-bangers.
About 390 kids die each year in pools.
Perspective. I know it's scary, but you are more likely to drown in a pool next year than get caught in a mass shooting.
I know, we do things that are fun and stuff. Just saying it's not the epidemic it seems at times.
We need to quit making the shooters infamous in the media. Report the shooting. Leave out the picture and name of the shooters. Maybe prevent some of the copycats.
I don't think anyone thinks its likely. The outrage comes from it being so senseless and the victims so innocent. At least with drowning's while a horrible accident for sure there is some personal responsibly involved. Sending your child off to school shouldn't be in the same classification.
I do agree however that the time has come to not publicize anything about these killers. Don't give them the one thing some of them may crave, notoriety.
I agree. It's horrific. There is so much senseless death in this country everyday. I don't believe that making guns disappear would stop it. Would it stop certain types of killings and certain conveniences, sure, but people will find a way with the next best killing tool. That kid wanted to kill that girl, the gun was the best tool, but if it didn't exist he just stabs her to death. God forbid we ever start having mass bombings like in the middle east.
Nothing will make murder disappear. The point is that reducing access to gun will make them less likely and less frequent.
Being against increased gun regulation due to the fear that we might have "mass explosions like the middle east" is one of the most absurd fucking things I've ever heard.
"We gotta keep the gun guys! It's better than bombs, and everyone knows that building a bomb is easy as getting a gun and pulling a trigger! You don't want the US to look like Dresden or turn into a bomb haven like the middle east, amirite?!!!"
I have an 8yo boy in the third grade. I don't think you post has the impact that you think it does. So your saying some random crazy fuck wants to take my kid out at school. What does it matter if it's a rope or AK or a truck. He kills my kid I'm devastated. The gun doesn't change anything in this scenario to me. Sure the AK can do more damage, potentially, but if a grown man comes in and stabs 5 kids or runs over 20 and 1 is mine what is the diff.?
You selectively freeze framed at the wrong point....you said
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He kills my kid I'm devastated.
I am saying which situation would you want your kid to be in at THAT POINT in time? Nobody has been killed yet...A guy with an AK who could potentially mow down the entire class? OR a guy with a knife who starts lunging at people trying to stab them to death?
I'll take the AK over a couple pipe bombs, few Molotov cocktails or homemade napalm that I could make when I was 14, before the internet was even available. How about that.
You could design pipe bombs or molotov cocktails and homemade napalm also? Are you Peter Parker, could you make webshooters at 15 as well?
You're acting like making homemade fucking napalm is like preparing a bowl of cereal.
Are you implying that the difficulty of cooking up homemade explosives would not be a deterrent to these people? Are you implying that these people would be making pipe bombs instead if they didn't have guns at the same clip?
How many people have gone into their school and set it ablaze with homemade napalm?
Maybe you were being sarcastic and I missed it.
I'm saying it could be worse and the next best item to kill will be used if gun don't exist and they may be worse in mass situations. That shit I mentioned is a hell of a lot easier than you think.
900 mass shooting deaths in the last 7 years (reported 2013). Dunno if that includes gang-bangers.
About 390 kids die each year in pools.
Perspective. I know it's scary, but you are more likely to drown in a pool next year than get caught in a mass shooting.
I know, we do things that are fun and stuff. Just saying it's not the epidemic it seems at times.
We need to quit making the shooters infamous in the media. Report the shooting. Leave out the picture and name of the shooters. Maybe prevent some of the copycats.
I don't think anyone thinks its likely. The outrage comes from it being so senseless and the victims so innocent. At least with drowning's while a horrible accident for sure there is some personal responsibly involved. Sending your child off to school shouldn't be in the same classification.
I do agree however that the time has come to not publicize anything about these killers. Don't give them the one thing some of them may crave, notoriety.
I agree. It's horrific. There is so much senseless death in this country everyday. I don't believe that making guns disappear would stop it. Would it stop certain types of killings and certain conveniences, sure, but people will find a way with the next best killing tool. That kid wanted to kill that girl, the gun was the best tool, but if it didn't exist he just stabs her to death. God forbid we ever start having mass bombings like in the middle east.
Maybe he gets a knife and is able to kill her, maybe just a rock over the heard but we don't know that. We do know pulling a trigger is far simpler and more deadly requiring less effort and with less time for reconsideration.
As far as bombs in the middle east I don't see it. Those are organized and done by terrorist for a "cause" while these types of mass killings are done by isolated nutcases. Apples and oranges.
About 390 kids die each year in pools.
Perspective. I know it's scary, but you are more likely to drown in a pool next year than get caught in a mass shooting.
I know, we do things that are fun and stuff. Just saying it's not the epidemic it seems at times.
We need to quit making the shooters infamous in the media. Report the shooting. Leave out the picture and name of the shooters. Maybe prevent some of the copycats.
That might sate our appetites for violence and lead to tranquility over the rest of the year.
Dude...the lawyers for Hunger Games author will be contacting you soon.
What about nerf guns, Mr. Smarty Pants?
How about paint guns? Spray guns? Refractory guns? Hmmm?
Ahhhhh-Haaaaa, YOU You...I see what you did there, you
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mass shootings? It's absolutely horrible, but what is the perspective? Really curious. Like is it the same amount of kids that drown each year in pools?
Guns are just the best tool, so it's used most often. I get the idea that with a knife it's harder to take out many people, but if guns didn't exist these people would build pipe bombs and set some off in crowded places, etc. There are many creative ways to cause more destruction. People are going to destroy if they want to.
yeah, building a pipe bomb is just as easy as shooting a gun.
Just an example. When school let's out drive over kids in a big truck. Certainly that is just as easy.
It's a real shame the left did nothing when it had control of the White House, Congress, and Senate.
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I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.
Yes, because the kids that are shooting classmates that they hate would surely not get them all at school if they knew it wasn't a "gun free zone".
Such fantastic fucking logic.
Gun free zone has little to nothing to do with why these crazy fucks target their own schools in the vast majority of cases.
I don't necessarily think getting rid of guns is the answer. "More guns!" certainly isn't the answer, either.
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I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.
Yes, because the kids that are shooting classmates that they hate would surely not get them all at school if they knew it wasn't a "gun free zone".
Such fantastic fucking logic.
Gun free zone has little to nothing to do with why these crazy fucks target their own schools in the vast majority of cases.
I don't necessarily think getting rid of guns is the answer. "More guns!" certainly isn't the answer, either.
But fewer schools just might be.
But wouldn't fewer schools just have more targets in one place?
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I could have gotten a gun anytime I wanted when I was a kid. All my friends could have too. There were no locks on the gun cabinets back then. We were all taught to handle a gun safely and with respect. And if we went into the cabinet without my dad being there we would get our asses kicked. So we didn't do it. Mass killings is what we are talking about. They were extremely rare when I was a kid, yet guns were everywhere. Homicides per year with a gun have been dropping in the US. It is these high profile events that have everyone outraged. "Gun free zones" have a huge target on their backs. That's a big problem. Copycat killers that are mentally ill. They are the biggest problem. If there were no guns how would these people create mayhem? How about racing down the street and driving a car into a crowd of people on the sidewalk? Or kids waiting for the bus? Then others might start copying it. Would there be outrage? Would anyone suggest banning cars? These sick people will find a way to bring attention to themselves. If you think it would just stop you're kidding yourself.
That argument, "banning cars, banning knives" the major difference between a car or a knife and a gun is.....GUNS HAVE ONE USE, and one use only....THEY SHOOT BULLETS.....
You see with a car you can drive around in them and go places, and with knives you can cut butter and meat or filet a fish......with a gun you can........you can......errr....shoot bullets.
and to preempt the responses like "what about a gun without bullets?", I maintain that guns have a sole purpose.
Hunting, sport shooting, and protection. Those are the intended uses for guns. Fertilizer has one main use too but apparently it can be used to blow things up.
About 390 kids die each year in pools.
Perspective. I know it's scary, but you are more likely to drown in a pool next year than get caught in a mass shooting.
I know, we do things that are fun and stuff. Just saying it's not the epidemic it seems at times.
We need to quit making the shooters infamous in the media. Report the shooting. Leave out the picture and name of the shooters. Maybe prevent some of the copycats.
I wondered why this wasn't on the news this morning.
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Judging by the comedy hour in this thread I think most people don't care much about this particular one. Either that or everyone is probably numb to it at this point which is really sad.
Not on this forum, but I've already read and heard lots of comments similar to "well, it was only one person killed and three others wounded so it wasn't so bad. Not as bad as usual." How sad is it that this is the state of our country? People at school trying to set themselves up for their future are killed all the time here, completely robbed of that future, and it just seems like no big deal to people half the time.
But like plenty of others have said, if a bunch of children being massacred didn't change anything, nothing will.
The people who do the mass shootings are cowards and target places where there is no or little challenge to them. They might find other soft targets but our schools would be safe.
The people who do the mass shootings are cowards and target places where there is no or little challenge to them. They might find other soft targets but our schools would be safe.
At 1 in the morning?
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What we need to do is place armed guards at the schools not making them soft targets anymore. We have thousands of ex military and law enforcement who are capable and available to watch our schools.
The people who do the mass shootings are cowards and target places where there is no or little challenge to them. They might find other soft targets but our schools would be safe.
At 1 in the morning?
Also, didn't work at Columbine.
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What we need to do is place armed guards at the schools not making them soft targets anymore. We have thousands of ex military and law enforcement who are capable and available to watch our schools.
The people who do the mass shootings are cowards and target places where there is no or little challenge to them. They might find other soft targets but our schools would be safe.
At 1 in the morning?
Also, didn't work at Columbine.
Columbine didn't happen at one in the morning when school wasn't in session if you recall.
Hunting, sport shooting, and protection. Those are the intended uses for guns. Fertilizer has one main use too but apparently it can be used to blow things up.
Yup, they shoot bullets. That's what I said.
Lets pretend we have TIME MACHINE -
FREEZE FRAME - Your kid is in a classroom, and a lunatic with a loaded AK-47 gun walks in with some crazy motive - UN-FREEZE FRAME
What's your stance on gun control now?
Ask yourself this - Would you rather be in a classroom with a guy with an AK-47 pointed at everybody, or would you rather be in the path of a guy with a car intent on running people down?
Classroom with a guy with an AK, or a knife?
Classroom with a guy with an AK, or a bag of fertilizer?
Point is, it's too easy to kill somebody with a gun. You can conceal it, walk in a public area and take out a lot of people at once with little to no effort.
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What we need to do is place armed guards at the schools not making them soft targets anymore. We have thousands of ex military and law enforcement who are capable and available to watch our schools.
The people who do the mass shootings are cowards and target places where there is no or little challenge to them. They might find other soft targets but our schools would be safe.
At 1 in the morning?
Also, didn't work at Columbine.
Columbine didn't happen at one in the morning when school wasn't in session if you recall.
Yes, it happened in the middle of the day with an armed security officer present.
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Hunting, sport shooting, and protection. Those are the intended uses for guns. Fertilizer has one main use too but apparently it can be used to blow things up.
Yup, they shoot bullets. That's what I said.
Lets pretend we have TIME MACHINE -
FREEZE FRAME - Your kid is in a classroom, and a lunatic with a loaded AK-47 gun walks in with some crazy motive - UN-FREEZE FRAME
What's your stance on gun control now?
Ask yourself this - Would you rather be in a classroom with a guy with an AK-47 pointed at everybody, or would you rather be in the path of a guy with a car intent on running people down?
Classroom with a guy with an AK, or a knife?
Classroom with a guy with an AK, or a bag of fertilizer?
Point is, it's too easy to kill somebody with a gun. You can conceal it, walk in a public area and take out a lot of people at once with little to no effort.
I have an 8yo boy in the third grade. I don't think you post has the impact that you think it does. So your saying some random crazy fuck wants to take my kid out at school. What does it matter if it's a rope or AK or a truck. He kills my kid I'm devastated. The gun doesn't change anything in this scenario to me. Sure the AK can do more damage, potentially, but if a grown man comes in and stabs 5 kids or runs over 20 and 1 is mine what is the diff.?
If you really want to decrease murders by guns then you'll need a strong federal bill and a strong gun buy-back program. Australia had a serious gun violence program and passed strong anti-gun laws in 1996 and had an almost immediate dramatic decrease in gun violence. It's a shame certain politicians are too fat with gun lobby money to try and prevent that constant gun deaths from occurring.
I have an 8yo boy in the third grade. I don't think you post has the impact that you think it does. So your saying some random crazy fuck wants to take my kid out at school. What does it matter if it's a rope or AK or a truck. He kills my kid I'm devastated. The gun doesn't change anything in this scenario to me. Sure the AK can do more damage, potentially, but if a grown man comes in and stabs 5 kids or runs over 20 and 1 is mine what is the diff.?
You selectively freeze framed at the wrong point....you said
I am saying which situation would you want your kid to be in at THAT POINT in time? Nobody has been killed yet...A guy with an AK who could potentially mow down the entire class? OR a guy with a knife who starts lunging at people trying to stab them to death?
For the most part, knives are designed to cut things for utility.
What are guns designed to do?
This incident happened at one in the morning.
Doesn't appear to be anyone making a statement or shooting up children in classrooms.
Are you comparing this to Columbine?
For the most part, knives are designed to cut things for utility.
What are guns designed to do?
1) I don't think knives were designed for utility use. In all likelihood, they were designed to kill prey.
2) Who cares what guns were designed for? They exist today, to the tune of 360 million in the United Sates. If you are proposing a full scale recall, it will never happen and it will never work.
3) Both sides need to stop digging into their trenches and need to come to the table to enact stricter gun ownership laws. Both sides are afraid to come to the table, as they feel they will not get everything they want. I don't understand why both sides see this as an all or nothing topic.
This incident happened at one in the morning.
Doesn't appear to be anyone making a statement or shooting up children in classrooms.
Are you comparing this to Columbine?
No, I'm only saying that armed security guards at schools are not the answer
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Understand that.
This incident happened at one in the morning.
Doesn't appear to be anyone making a statement or shooting up children in classrooms.
Are you comparing this to Columbine?
No, I'm only saying that armed security guards at schools are not the answer
And I'm just saying especially at 1 in the morning when the school is basically shut down.
yah well apparently these "you gonna ban cars, knives?" people need it spelled out.
I think it is convenient for politicians to use these events to attempt to thwart our rights without considering the root cause of these actions..We also have the world government types that do not want us to have guns either. .
What would be interesting is go back many years and catalog all of the data statistically to determine if this is really something new or just sensationalized and framed by the media for an intended effect. That is their business to frame something to sway your thoughts and emotions. Anyone that has studied communications theory in a university can see right through this shit.
As an example, Chicago has consistently the same or more murders every week than one of these events and is a gunfree environment, except for the individual committing the murders. Why isn't that discussed?
Seems to me that when you look at the stats, everything is worse when the guns are taken away. What is more amusing is a POTUS that seems he can bypass laws and constitutional rights.
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Man, I've been using rope the wrong fucking way all these years.
yah well apparently these "you gonna ban cars, knives?" people need it spelled out.
The statistics clearly show that you or a loved one is more likely to die by stabbing as opposed to a rifle, or more specifically, an "assault" rifle. Although I am sure you are already aware of the statistics, so please feel free to continue to be sarcastic if it is a means to help you cope.
Not sure why I am getting sucked into this pointless discussion. I assume we all want the same thing -- for this shit to stop.
For the most part, knives are designed to cut things for utility.
What are guns designed to do?
+10000. We may disagree on many things but Britt, you are spot on here. The "well are you gonna ban cars???" people are entirely missing the point.
They're apples and oranges.
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And predictable. We have a problem in this nation and we need to do something about it. But I fear we won't.
It's a real shame the left did nothing when it had control of the White House, Congress, and Senate.
They can't. This is just Kabuki theatre that benefits politicians at the expense of the individuals lives because we a civilization in decline because of our leaders. Good luck taking away that 2nd ammendment. Best comment of the week, Matt Drudge asked Obama and Hillary to disarm themselves like they want everyone to do. Priceless and exposes this whole situation. Its not the guns, its the fucking people.
I'm...evolving (the term of the day, I suppose). Seeing as I was quickly disabused of the notion that exploitation was in bad form. So, just joining in with everyone else and their ideas of what's wrong and what should be done.
About 390 kids die each year in pools.
Perspective. I know it's scary, but you are more likely to drown in a pool next year than get caught in a mass shooting.
I know, we do things that are fun and stuff. Just saying it's not the epidemic it seems at times.
We need to quit making the shooters infamous in the media. Report the shooting. Leave out the picture and name of the shooters. Maybe prevent some of the copycats.
I don't think anyone thinks its likely. The outrage comes from it being so senseless and the victims so innocent. At least with drowning's while a horrible accident for sure there is some personal responsibly involved. Sending your child off to school shouldn't be in the same classification.
I do agree however that the time has come to not publicize anything about these killers. Don't give them the one thing some of them may crave, notoriety.
everything political you stupid fuck
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I have an 8yo boy in the third grade. I don't think you post has the impact that you think it does. So your saying some random crazy fuck wants to take my kid out at school. What does it matter if it's a rope or AK or a truck. He kills my kid I'm devastated. The gun doesn't change anything in this scenario to me. Sure the AK can do more damage, potentially, but if a grown man comes in and stabs 5 kids or runs over 20 and 1 is mine what is the diff.?
You selectively freeze framed at the wrong point....you said
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He kills my kid I'm devastated.
I am saying which situation would you want your kid to be in at THAT POINT in time? Nobody has been killed yet...A guy with an AK who could potentially mow down the entire class? OR a guy with a knife who starts lunging at people trying to stab them to death?
I'll take the AK over a couple pipe bombs, few Molotov cocktails or homemade napalm that I could make when I was 14, before the internet was even available. How about that.
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I have an 8yo boy in the third grade. I don't think you post has the impact that you think it does. So your saying some random crazy fuck wants to take my kid out at school. What does it matter if it's a rope or AK or a truck. He kills my kid I'm devastated. The gun doesn't change anything in this scenario to me. Sure the AK can do more damage, potentially, but if a grown man comes in and stabs 5 kids or runs over 20 and 1 is mine what is the diff.?
You selectively freeze framed at the wrong point....you said
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He kills my kid I'm devastated.
I am saying which situation would you want your kid to be in at THAT POINT in time? Nobody has been killed yet...A guy with an AK who could potentially mow down the entire class? OR a guy with a knife who starts lunging at people trying to stab them to death?
I'll take the AK over a couple pipe bombs, few Molotov cocktails or homemade napalm that I could make when I was 14, before the internet was even available. How about that.
You could design pipe bombs or molotov cocktails and homemade napalm also? Are you Peter Parker, could you make webshooters at 15 as well?
You're acting like making homemade fucking napalm is like preparing a bowl of cereal.
Are you implying that the difficulty of cooking up homemade explosives would not be a deterrent to these people? Are you implying that these people would be making pipe bombs instead if they didn't have guns at the same clip?
How many people have gone into their school and set it ablaze with homemade napalm?
Maybe you were being sarcastic and I missed it.
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Man, I've been using rope the wrong fucking way all these years.
yah well apparently these "you gonna ban cars, knives?" people need it spelled out.
The statistics clearly show that you or a loved one is more likely to die by stabbing as opposed to a rifle, or more specifically, an "assault" rifle. Although I am sure you are already aware of the statistics, so please feel free to continue to be sarcastic if it is a means to help you cope.
Not sure why I am getting sucked into this pointless discussion. I assume we all want the same thing -- for this shit to stop.
Thats true is you single out "rifles" from all firearms, but you are much more likely to be killed with a gun than a knife
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And predictable. We have a problem in this nation and we need to do something about it. But I fear we won't.
It's a real shame the left did nothing when it had control of the White House, Congress, and Senate.
They can't. This is just Kabuki theatre that benefits politicians at the expense of the individuals lives because we a civilization in decline because of our leaders. Good luck taking away that 2nd ammendment. Best comment of the week, Matt Drudge asked Obama and Hillary to disarm themselves like they want everyone to do. Priceless and exposes this whole situation. Its not the guns, its the fucking people.
Obama and Clinton are the god damn President and Secretary of State. We've had Presidents and politicians assassinated and shot. They're public figures and targets.
It's completely different from your average joe schmo. This proves absolutely nothing and is such a false dichotomy.
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900 mass shooting deaths in the last 7 years (reported 2013). Dunno if that includes gang-bangers.
About 390 kids die each year in pools.
Perspective. I know it's scary, but you are more likely to drown in a pool next year than get caught in a mass shooting.
I know, we do things that are fun and stuff. Just saying it's not the epidemic it seems at times.
We need to quit making the shooters infamous in the media. Report the shooting. Leave out the picture and name of the shooters. Maybe prevent some of the copycats.
I don't think anyone thinks its likely. The outrage comes from it being so senseless and the victims so innocent. At least with drowning's while a horrible accident for sure there is some personal responsibly involved. Sending your child off to school shouldn't be in the same classification.
I do agree however that the time has come to not publicize anything about these killers. Don't give them the one thing some of them may crave, notoriety.
I agree. It's horrific. There is so much senseless death in this country everyday. I don't believe that making guns disappear would stop it. Would it stop certain types of killings and certain conveniences, sure, but people will find a way with the next best killing tool. That kid wanted to kill that girl, the gun was the best tool, but if it didn't exist he just stabs her to death. God forbid we ever start having mass bombings like in the middle east.
Being against increased gun regulation due to the fear that we might have "mass explosions like the middle east" is one of the most absurd fucking things I've ever heard.
"We gotta keep the gun guys! It's better than bombs, and everyone knows that building a bomb is easy as getting a gun and pulling a trigger! You don't want the US to look like Dresden or turn into a bomb haven like the middle east, amirite?!!!"
Makes absolutely no sense at all.
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I have an 8yo boy in the third grade. I don't think you post has the impact that you think it does. So your saying some random crazy fuck wants to take my kid out at school. What does it matter if it's a rope or AK or a truck. He kills my kid I'm devastated. The gun doesn't change anything in this scenario to me. Sure the AK can do more damage, potentially, but if a grown man comes in and stabs 5 kids or runs over 20 and 1 is mine what is the diff.?
You selectively freeze framed at the wrong point....you said
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He kills my kid I'm devastated.
I am saying which situation would you want your kid to be in at THAT POINT in time? Nobody has been killed yet...A guy with an AK who could potentially mow down the entire class? OR a guy with a knife who starts lunging at people trying to stab them to death?
I'll take the AK over a couple pipe bombs, few Molotov cocktails or homemade napalm that I could make when I was 14, before the internet was even available. How about that.
You could design pipe bombs or molotov cocktails and homemade napalm also? Are you Peter Parker, could you make webshooters at 15 as well?
You're acting like making homemade fucking napalm is like preparing a bowl of cereal.
Are you implying that the difficulty of cooking up homemade explosives would not be a deterrent to these people? Are you implying that these people would be making pipe bombs instead if they didn't have guns at the same clip?
How many people have gone into their school and set it ablaze with homemade napalm?
Maybe you were being sarcastic and I missed it.
I'm saying it could be worse and the next best item to kill will be used if gun don't exist and they may be worse in mass situations. That shit I mentioned is a hell of a lot easier than you think.
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900 mass shooting deaths in the last 7 years (reported 2013). Dunno if that includes gang-bangers.
About 390 kids die each year in pools.
Perspective. I know it's scary, but you are more likely to drown in a pool next year than get caught in a mass shooting.
I know, we do things that are fun and stuff. Just saying it's not the epidemic it seems at times.
We need to quit making the shooters infamous in the media. Report the shooting. Leave out the picture and name of the shooters. Maybe prevent some of the copycats.
I don't think anyone thinks its likely. The outrage comes from it being so senseless and the victims so innocent. At least with drowning's while a horrible accident for sure there is some personal responsibly involved. Sending your child off to school shouldn't be in the same classification.
I do agree however that the time has come to not publicize anything about these killers. Don't give them the one thing some of them may crave, notoriety.
I agree. It's horrific. There is so much senseless death in this country everyday. I don't believe that making guns disappear would stop it. Would it stop certain types of killings and certain conveniences, sure, but people will find a way with the next best killing tool. That kid wanted to kill that girl, the gun was the best tool, but if it didn't exist he just stabs her to death. God forbid we ever start having mass bombings like in the middle east.
Maybe he gets a knife and is able to kill her, maybe just a rock over the heard but we don't know that. We do know pulling a trigger is far simpler and more deadly requiring less effort and with less time for reconsideration.
As far as bombs in the middle east I don't see it. Those are organized and done by terrorist for a "cause" while these types of mass killings are done by isolated nutcases. Apples and oranges.