FF thread 10-09

I cut Vinatieri yesterday for Josh Brown.

I started Texans D (who got me 0.0)

Andre Johnson comes alive (nobody started him)

Opponent had D. Hopkins.

Ugh. I can't believe how bad Texans D has been.

In comment 12536415 Sly Guy said:

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More so in PPR. I offered Jennings and Rishard Matthews for Landry (to start a conversation) and the owner got so upset that he told me to fuck off. But I guess he's pretty meh in standard.

I get what you were trying to do, but i probably would of told you to fuck off to haha...

Dont worry i have had people tell me i am nuts and not counter, it happens..

I offered a trade tell me if i am nuts:

I offered Cobb, Latavius Murray and TJ Yeldo for Julio and Vereen...

My starting team would then be:

Newton
Bell, vereen or Blount or Cj
Bekcham, Julio, Cooper
Whitten
Santos
Giants

i am 4-0 right now

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I've been waiting on Julius Thomas to come off my bench, but of course he's going on 5 weeks out. Streaming has been terrible. I'm constantly one week behind on getting the good streamers. Non PPR league.

This week I've got Richard Rodgers from GB. Since Olsen has a bye and Thomas is likely still out, would you make the move to put in a waiver claim (Thomas for Olsen) and just ride the season out with Olsen, or would that be settling for less, based on the upside potential of Thomas, whenever he gets back?

Hankerson, Hurns and Aiken are all available as free agents. Would you feel comfortable rolling with Bryant? or would you pick up one of the other WR's?

In comment 12536432 FranknWeezer said:

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I've been waiting on Julius Thomas to come off my bench, but of course he's going on 5 weeks out. Streaming has been terrible. I'm constantly one week behind on getting the good streamers. Non PPR league. This week I've got Richard Rodgers from GB. Since Olsen has a bye and Thomas is likely still out, would you make the move to put in a waiver claim (Thomas for Olsen) and just ride the season out with Olsen, or would that be settling for less, based on the upside potential of Thomas, whenever he gets back?

Thats tough, i am kind of in the same situation but i got tired of waiting and traded for Kelce...

Coleman and Miller were both dropped in my league and i might release Thomas for one and one of my extra Rbs for the other...I just have a bad feeling though Thomas puts up big numbers when he comes back

In comment 12536425 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12536415 Sly Guy said: Quote: More so in PPR. I offered Jennings and Rishard Matthews for Landry (to start a conversation) and the owner got so upset that he told me to fuck off. But I guess he's pretty meh in standard. I get what you were trying to do, but i probably would of told you to fuck off to haha... Dont worry i have had people tell me i am nuts and not counter, it happens.. I offered a trade tell me if i am nuts: I offered Cobb, Latavius Murray and TJ Yeldo for Julio and Vereen... My starting team would then be: Newton Bell, vereen or Blount or Cj Bekcham, Julio, Cooper Whitten Santos Giants i am 4-0 right now

Oh man, I really don't like that trade on your end. I'm a Vereen owner, and have no confidence starting him. I think you're trading a WR1 in Cobb, an RB1 in Murray (own him and love him), and someone turning into an RB2 in Yeldon for Julio and a low end Flex.

I'd honestly cancel that trade before he accepted it, but that's just my opinion.

On one hand i love getting Julio to pair with Cooper and Bekcham, yeldon is just sitting on my bench...

I agree Murray has been great for me so far...

In comment 12536450 nygiants16 said:

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On one hand i love getting Julio to pair with Cooper and Bekcham, yeldon is just sitting on my bench... I agree Murray has been great for me so far...

Yeah, but Murray is dinged, and I think it's good to have Yeldon's security. You could probably get that deal done by removing Vereen by offering Cobb and Yeldon. I'd keep Murray out of that deal.

Who do you guys think is a better start this week I'm ravaged by byes at WR, and am in a position where I'm starting AJ, Kenny Britt, and Kamar Aiken.

Do you think I should drop Britt or Aiken for Cole Beasley this week?

In comment 12536433 Jon said:

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Hankerson, Hurns and Aiken are all available as free agents. Would you feel comfortable rolling with Bryant? or would you pick up one of the other WR's?

Aiken i think is going to get better and better as the year goes, especially with smith banged up...

Hurns, got a ton of targets last week because they took away Robinson, will hekeep getting the targets even when Thomas comes back?

Hankerson, has been good BUT is he going to be consistent?

Bryant, you are going to have some duds because Vick is the Qb for at least 4 more weeks, will he be targeted enough? Vick is going to look for Brown and Bell first

and Julius Thomas are both FA.

I'm using all my back roster players as starters this week due to byes, but I really want to drop one to pick up Thomas as a FA so I don't have to use a waiver claim for him. This way, I can scoop up Thomas or Coleman without burning a waiver claim.

Who would you drop on this team to pick one or both of them up? Vereen seems the most droppable option:

Olsen. He's arguably the 2nd best TE in football.

Who cares about Julius Thomas, its anyone's guess what he does without Peyton. He will probably miss more weeks after he comes back too.

In comment 12536260 UConn4523 said:

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but it wouldn't shock me at all if Johnson has more value down the stretch. If you can afford to keep both I would. I'm looking to make a trade with a guy who has Hopkins and DeMarco Murray. I really want to buy low on Murray, he can't be this bad all season right? My RB's are L. Murray, Gordon, Yeldon and I wanted to package Demaryius Thomas and Gordon for Hopkins and Murray. Is that stupid? Is it really just a wash? Its a .5 PPR.

Any opinions on this?

also

In comment 12536462 Sonic Youth said:

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and Julius Thomas are both FA. I'm using all my back roster players as starters this week due to byes, but I really want to drop one to pick up Thomas as a FA so I don't have to use a waiver claim for him. This way, I can scoop up Thomas or Coleman without burning a waiver claim. Who would you drop on this team to pick one or both of them up? Vereen seems the most droppable option:

I'd drop Vereen... and then I'd probably drop Matthews for the other. I'd prefer to drop Britt over Matthews, but you need him for this week. I'm ok dropping Matthews though, I think Parker is going to start getting more work out of the bye and with Stills now getting involved I don't think there are going to be consistent targets for Matthews going forward.

In comment 12536468 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 12536260 UConn4523 said: Quote: but it wouldn't shock me at all if Johnson has more value down the stretch. If you can afford to keep both I would. I'm looking to make a trade with a guy who has Hopkins and DeMarco Murray. I really want to buy low on Murray, he can't be this bad all season right? My RB's are L. Murray, Gordon, Yeldon and I wanted to package Demaryius Thomas and Gordon for Hopkins and Murray. Is that stupid? Is it really just a wash? Its a .5 PPR. Any opinions on this?

I dont know if it is just a wash, Hopkins it seems like is targeted on every single pass..Peyton seems to love to go to Sanders, especially on 3rd down..

I dunno it is a toss up to me, if you knew Murray was going to turn around i would do it in a heartbeat..

In comment 12536472 YAJ2112 said:

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In comment 12536462 Sonic Youth said: Quote: and Julius Thomas are both FA. I'm using all my back roster players as starters this week due to byes, but I really want to drop one to pick up Thomas as a FA so I don't have to use a waiver claim for him. This way, I can scoop up Thomas or Coleman without burning a waiver claim. Who would you drop on this team to pick one or both of them up? Vereen seems the most droppable option: I'd drop Vereen... and then I'd probably drop Matthews for the other. I'd prefer to drop Britt over Matthews, but you need him for this week. I'm ok dropping Matthews though, I think Parker is going to start getting more work out of the bye and with Stills now getting involved I don't think there are going to be consistent targets for Matthews going forward.

Yeah, I'm a little concerned that Matthews targets are going to evaporate with Stills and Parker getting more involved, but I was going to wait one more week and see based on his early season production.

I guess I'll drop Vereen for Thomas. He just hasn't been consistent enough this week. Part of me wants to wait it out until this week, but I think Thomas will get picked up on Waivers after this week so this is pretty much my only shot to grab him.

My long term plan is to trade either Thomas or Eifert for a WR/RB down the line if Thomas can pick it up when he comes back.

In comment 12536457 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12536433 Jon said: Quote: Hankerson, Hurns and Aiken are all available as free agents. Would you feel comfortable rolling with Bryant? or would you pick up one of the other WR's? Aiken i think is going to get better and better as the year goes, especially with smith banged up... Hurns, got a ton of targets last week because they took away Robinson, will hekeep getting the targets even when Thomas comes back? Hankerson, has been good BUT is he going to be consistent? Bryant, you are going to have some duds because Vick is the Qb for at least 4 more weeks, will he be targeted enough? Vick is going to look for Brown and Bell first

Those are all the same concerns I have. Ive also read that Bryant missed practice this week. I have SS Sr and Landry on my bench so I just need a short term fill in.

Chris Thompson in a 14 team PPR.

Hope I can pick him up again next week, my Rb's are horrid though. I have woodhead carrying my RB team, Anderson and Stewart were my top 2 picks. So Disappointing, I even dropped Stewart for a gamble on Antonio Andrews. Being that I'm in 1st place I have to take gambles as I'm never going to get anyone good off the waiver wire when they are hot.

In comment 12536462 Sonic Youth said:

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and Julius Thomas are both FA. I'm using all my back roster players as starters this week due to byes, but I really want to drop one to pick up Thomas as a FA so I don't have to use a waiver claim for him. This way, I can scoop up Thomas or Coleman without burning a waiver claim. Who would you drop on this team to pick one or both of them up? Vereen seems the most droppable option:

Kenny Britt come on that's easy! Drop Britt for Julius

In comment 12536473 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12536468 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 12536260 UConn4523 said: Quote: but it wouldn't shock me at all if Johnson has more value down the stretch. If you can afford to keep both I would. I'm looking to make a trade with a guy who has Hopkins and DeMarco Murray. I really want to buy low on Murray, he can't be this bad all season right? My RB's are L. Murray, Gordon, Yeldon and I wanted to package Demaryius Thomas and Gordon for Hopkins and Murray. Is that stupid? Is it really just a wash? Its a .5 PPR. Any opinions on this? I dont know if it is just a wash, Hopkins it seems like is targeted on every single pass..Peyton seems to love to go to Sanders, especially on 3rd down.. I dunno it is a toss up to me, if you knew Murray was going to turn around i would do it in a heartbeat..

Yeah, at this time, I'd put Hopkins value over Thomas's. I also think there's a chance of Peyton hitting that wall at the end of the season as well. I'm not sure if Murray is going to pick it back up, but Gordon is in a timeshare anyway. Yeldon is turning into a bellcow anyway.

I like the Hopkins-Murray end of that trade.

In comment 12536490 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 12536462 Sonic Youth said: Quote: and Julius Thomas are both FA. I'm using all my back roster players as starters this week due to byes, but I really want to drop one to pick up Thomas as a FA so I don't have to use a waiver claim for him. This way, I can scoop up Thomas or Coleman without burning a waiver claim. Who would you drop on this team to pick one or both of them up? Vereen seems the most droppable option: Kenny Britt come on that's easy! Drop Britt for Julius

He's starting this week, that's my problem. My starters are on byes. I'd have to take a loss this week to get Julius.

I think you are getting hosed. You trade 3 very good to great players for one great player and one crap(fantasy) player. That makes your team worse no doubt

since Hopkins already went lastnight.

In comment 12536492 Sonic Youth said:

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In comment 12536490 Mr. Nickels said: Quote: In comment 12536462 Sonic Youth said: Quote: and Julius Thomas are both FA. I'm using all my back roster players as starters this week due to byes, but I really want to drop one to pick up Thomas as a FA so I don't have to use a waiver claim for him. This way, I can scoop up Thomas or Coleman without burning a waiver claim. Who would you drop on this team to pick one or both of them up? Vereen seems the most droppable option: Kenny Britt come on that's easy! Drop Britt for Julius He's starting this week, that's my problem. My starters are on byes. I'd have to take a loss this week to get Julius.

Sorry I didn't realize that. Hate mandatory 3 WRs. Then yes as long as it's standard I guess Vereen but after this week I would drop Britt and get him back if possible.

and already regret it. This will probably blow up in my face once Forte or Murray gets injured unless Hyde gets going.

God damnit Kapernick, you suck so fucking much and you're fucking up Hyde's fantasy season!

In comment 12536497 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 12536492 Sonic Youth said: Quote: In comment 12536490 Mr. Nickels said: Quote: In comment 12536462 Sonic Youth said: Quote: and Julius Thomas are both FA. I'm using all my back roster players as starters this week due to byes, but I really want to drop one to pick up Thomas as a FA so I don't have to use a waiver claim for him. This way, I can scoop up Thomas or Coleman without burning a waiver claim. Who would you drop on this team to pick one or both of them up? Vereen seems the most droppable option: Kenny Britt come on that's easy! Drop Britt for Julius He's starting this week, that's my problem. My starters are on byes. I'd have to take a loss this week to get Julius. Sorry I didn't realize that. Hate mandatory 3 WRs. Then yes as long as it's standard I guess Vereen but after this week I would drop Britt and get him back if possible.

It was PPR. I did it anyway. The way I look at it, I can probably trade Thomas for a player equal to Vereen at some point down the line, and Vereen will never really own the Giants backfield anyway since they use their RBs equally.

My WRs are

Alshon Jeffery
Brandin Cooks
Amari Cooper
Kendall Wright
Travis Benjamin

Third RB is Ronnie Hillman or Ameer Abdullah.

I lost last week with Hillman on the bench and Abdullah starting.

Which 3 do I start in a half PPR? I need 2 WR and 1 FLEX.

Right now i have Jeffery Cooper and Hillman in.

Is Jeffery finally going to play?? If he does he is must start.

If Jeffery does play would you start Wright Benjamin or Cooks over Cooper this week due to Cooper's bad matchup?

At this point I am not starting Cooks unless I have to despite his great matchup and he probably goes off the second I bench him.

Travis Benjamin is now legit and facing a bad pass D. His targets are now sustainable and he has double digit fantasy points every week.

Kendall Wright is also facing a weak pass D though Michael Fabiano says sit him and play Benjamin because the Bills shut down #1 WRs but isn't Wright more of a slot?


Abdullah is at home and likely Bell is out again. I went with him over Gurley and Hillman because no Bell despite the matchup and got burned. At least he is home this time with the Lions desperate but Arizona is tough D.

Hillman - I think he finally takes the starting job and at bare minimum he is getting goal line carries. CJ Anderson still looms though. If Denver gets up big they could be running a lot. Their run game has sucked so far minus the big TD run but they have showed signs of improving and Hillman is trending up.

guy, his wrs suck though.

I have

Luck/Eli
Abdullah/Jennings/Rawls/djohnson
OBJ/Calvin/Julio/Hankerson/Hurns/AJohnson/Cruz
Barnidge


I'd have initially said no, waiting for Calvin to up his value back up but yeldon is a starter and hillman may be one soon. With Andre maybe getting his shit together, hankerson/hurns looking like legit starters or tradepieces, and the possibility of the cruz bonus comeback, I'm more inclined to sell low on Calvin to shore up my RBs.

Most of me still says it's too early to sell this low on calvin.

Problem is I'm 1-3 and feeling anxious.

In comment 12536588 GMenLTS said:

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guy, his wrs suck though. I have Luck/Eli Abdullah/Jennings/Rawls/djohnson OBJ/Calvin/Julio/Hankerson/Hurns/AJohnson/Cruz Barnidge I'd have initially said no, waiting for Calvin to up his value back up but yeldon is a starter and hillman may be one soon. With Andre maybe getting his shit together, hankerson/hurns looking like legit starters or tradepieces, and the possibility of the cruz bonus comeback, I'm more inclined to sell low on Calvin to shore up my RBs. Most of me still says it's too early to sell this low on calvin. Problem is I'm 1-3 and feeling anxious.

Not a bad trade. You start OBJ and Julio anyway. Yeldon and Hillman are at least starters and arguably would be your top 2 (still have some faith in Abdullah)

but he ain't budging on that and I don't blame him.

In comment 12536634 GMenLTS said:

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but he ain't budging on that and I don't blame him.

I'd rather have Yeldon anyway, to be honest. Yeldon is getting a ton of carries and looking good. If it's PPR it's more of a wash, but if it's standard, Yeldon all the way.

IMO don't let Yeldon vs Lewis hold up the trade.

In comment 12536657 Sonic Youth said:

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In comment 12536634 GMenLTS said: Quote: but he ain't budging on that and I don't blame him. I'd rather have Yeldon anyway, to be honest. Yeldon is getting a ton of carries and looking good. If it's PPR it's more of a wash, but if it's standard, Yeldon all the way. IMO don't let Yeldon vs Lewis hold up the trade.

Having said that though, I'd rather trade Calvin for 1 good RB instead of 2 decent ones. Yeldon is looking he could end up being an RB2, but I don't trust Hillman in the Denver backfield to become a dependable starter. They're going to split carries.

I like Wright this week.

Tevin Coleman or Rishard Matthews?

After dropping Vereen for Julius Thomas, I'm getting buyers remorse and want to shore up my RB4 since Hyde, Murray, or Forte all may get hurt.

We don't have a flex so I can't drop the 2 worst WRs I have since they have to play (Britt and Aiken).

Considering this, I can only really drop Matthews or Mike Wallace (or I guess Julius Thomas again)... and I'm trying to decide who will be more helpful as the season progresses... Coleman or Matthews.

Arizona Def for Emannuel Sanders. I have Den defense.

anything can happen at RB. WR takes time to gel, develop a rapport, and good QB play.

In comment 12536934 superspynyg said:

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Arizona Def for Emannuel Sanders. I have Den defense.

Excellent trade, that one will pay off dividends.

In a 14 team PPR league.

I give up Maclin and Landry
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get back OBJ and Crabtree.

In comment 12537013 djz9176 said:

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In a 14 team PPR league. I give up Maclin and Landry and get back OBJ and Crabtree.

Who are your other WRs? Do you have a flex?

At this point in time, with Maclin heating up, I don't know if I'd pull the trigger on that. Crabtree is a fringe 3. OBJ is a 1, but Maclin and Landry are two 2's.

Alex Smith doesn't throw TD's to WR's.

.5 PPR league

Latavius Murray vs Denver
Dion Lewis vs Dallas
Todd Gurley vs GB

I'm leaning toward Murray and Gurley but I'm pretty confident that Lewis will put up consistently solid numbers. Murray is injured and played lousy last week but he's clearly the higher upside play. Not sure what to do

In comment 12537128 Dave in PA said:

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.5 PPR league Latavius Murray vs Denver Dion Lewis vs Dallas Todd Gurley vs GB I'm leaning toward Murray and Gurley but I'm pretty confident that Lewis will put up consistently solid numbers. Murray is injured and played lousy last week but he's clearly the higher upside play. Not sure what to do

Basically, you need to take into consideration your league record and opponent and decide if you want to take the high risk high reward or go for the safe floor.

Murray starts either way. Gurley if you want to go for gold, Lewis if you want a safer bet.

so that also needs to get taken into account. The bonus is that theres no competition in his backfield. Although, the more I think about it, the less confident I am. So sorry for my previous post, which is now useless, lol.

I am 3-1. It is a 2-4 player keeper PPR league. Here is my team:

Cam

L. Murray
Hill
Ivory
Martin
Freeman
Coleman
Matt Jones
David Johnson

D. Thomas
J. Matthews
Adams
Cruz

Kelce

McManus

Chiefs

I know what you are thinking ... he needs WR, QB, TE and D help. So, logically, I am looking to add Gurley. It doesn't sound like the price tag is too high. He said he wants a good receiver or a package deal for a stud WR.

Would you give up Matthews or Thomas for Gurley in some capacity? His team is loaded. He has:

Luck
Winston

Charles
Bell
Gore
Gurley
Starks
Duke Johnson
Stewart

Julio
Hurns
Marshall
Wallace

Eifert

Prater

Broncos

My 2nd wr is Jordan Matthews and I use Woodhead as my flex. I think I have to make the deal. I get OBJ and Crabtree and give up Maclin and Landry.

14 team league, pickings are slim. Currently going with fucking Garrett Celek SF - TE.

In comment 12537347 ron mexico said:

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14 team league, pickings are slim. Currently going with fucking Garrett Celek SF - TE.

Dereck Carrier redskins

in my starting spot with Hurns in my flex. Is it worth moving any of them for Rawls or even picking up DIxon with the injuries to Williams and McCoy?

I have Blount and Rawls starting in another since I have AP and Ivory both on byes and with Jeffrey risking another week off, I may need to pick up Dixon unless I risk putting in David Johnson - low on roster spots because of byes and karlos Williams hurt.

Any thoughts?

In comment 12537358 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 12537347 ron mexico said: Quote: 14 team league, pickings are slim. Currently going with fucking Garrett Celek SF - TE. Dereck Carrier redskins

Thanks, I'm giving him a shot