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Hey - No Double A Gap Sacks this Year So Far!

gidiefor : Mod : 10/9/2015 9:37 am
Didn't it seem like in 2013-2014 - the A Gap was giving Eli fits?
Richburg >>>> Walton  
giants#1 : 10/9/2015 9:39 am : link
Pugh and Schwartz ain't bad either! :=)
we now  
dorgan : 10/9/2015 9:39 am : link
have an NFL center. Poor Walton couldn't move and he didn't have enough lead in his ass.

RE: we now  
giants#1 : 10/9/2015 9:41 am : link
In comment 12536105 dorgan said:
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have an NFL center. Poor Walton couldn't move and he didn't have enough lead in his ass.


Per Sy, we have a LG playing at a probowl level too!
Richburg is an ENORMOUS improvement over Walton.  
Victor in CT : 10/9/2015 9:56 am : link
Walton just plain sucked. Pugh at LG playing great, Richburg was out of position at LG and it showed.
So educate me  
Bob from Massachusetts : 10/9/2015 10:07 am : link
what is it at the center position that makes Richberg excel there where he didn't at guard. Is it quickness to handle the penetrating tackle? Something else? Why couldn't he do that at guard, or is that because he had other responsibilities?
above and beyond the position itself..  
grizz299 : 10/9/2015 10:10 am : link
Richenberg was playing next to Walton...that in itself limited him

Richenberg was also a rookie And playing guard for the first time.

We'll never know but I think if he played guard this year he'd be better than he was last year.
And that's above the fact that he's a more natural center.
thing that suprises me is Jones  
grizz299 : 10/9/2015 10:11 am : link
Somehow I thought he'd be heard from...looks like Reynolds is our back up for now and the future.
RE: So educate me  
Gmen703 : 10/9/2015 10:12 am : link
In comment 12536168 Bob from Massachusetts said:
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what is it at the center position that makes Richberg excel there where he didn't at guard. Is it quickness to handle the penetrating tackle? Something else? Why couldn't he do that at guard, or is that because he had other responsibilities?


My uneducated guess would be that center is Richburg's natural position where he's comfortable at making the line calls and adjustments. Also, I don't believe centers pull as much as guards do in the run game (again, an uneducated guess).

RE: So educate me  
giants#1 : 10/9/2015 10:13 am : link
In comment 12536168 Bob from Massachusetts said:
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what is it at the center position that makes Richberg excel there where he didn't at guard. Is it quickness to handle the penetrating tackle? Something else? Why couldn't he do that at guard, or is that because he had other responsibilities?


1. He was adjusting to the NFL game last year
2. He was playing injured for part of last year
I also think  
gmen9892 : 10/9/2015 10:15 am : link
Richburg didnt have the weight/build to play the G position. Centers can be a bit lighter and get away with it.
and then there's this today from Eric's favorite - PFF  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/9/2015 10:17 am : link
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when the combo of Justin Pugh, Schwartz, and Weston Richburg line up, there may not be a better interior line in football right now.

Link - ( New Window )
Walton is back in the NFL - he joined the Chargers last week.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/9/2015 10:25 am : link
Probably just a short-term depth signing. Here's a funny bit of typical cluelessness from the Huddle Report:
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San Diego Chargers sign Center J.D. Walton

This is big news!

Normally, when the San Diego Chargers sign an offensive lineman off the street, you're hoping that the guy never makes it into the game. It's usually some career backup or a rookie that's never really played before. J.D. Walton is neither of those things.

In fact, J.D. Walton was Mike McCoy's starting center for two seasons with the Denver Broncos (both the Tim Tebow year and the Peyton Manning year). He spent last season starting all 16 games at center for Eli Manning and the New York Giants. This is a guy that, if all things were fair, might have a shot at stealing the Chargers' starting Center spot.

For now, he'll be a backup for Trevor Robinson, while Chris Watt recovers from a groin injury. Still, it's a bit surprising that Walton (who was in Training Camp with the Miami Dolphins) was available at all.

I guess there's a tendency among fans to assume (we do it too) that if a guy started sixteen games, he can't be completely horrible. Guess again.
Charger Fan/Blogger hails the arrival of J.D. Walton - ( New Window )
Not sure that the grades pass the eye test, but they never do  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/9/2015 10:28 am : link
usually.

12. New York Giants (20th)
Pass blocking rank: 12th

Run blocking rank: 12th

Penalties rank: 14th

Stud: This is what they wanted from Geoff Schwartz (+5.6) when they signed him.

Dud: It never works well for any team when they’re having to start Marshall Newhouse (-9.3).

Summary: As bad as they are at tackle, they are as good (if not better) on the interior. Indeed, when the combo of Justin Pugh, Schwartz, and Weston Richburg line up, there may not be a better interior line in football right now.
BBB  
Toth029 : 10/9/2015 10:31 am : link
The Charles Brown effect.
RE: Not sure that the grades pass the eye test, but they never do  
giants#1 : 10/9/2015 10:32 am : link
In comment 12536227 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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usually.

12. New York Giants (20th)
Pass blocking rank: 12th

Run blocking rank: 12th

Penalties rank: 14th

Stud: This is what they wanted from Geoff Schwartz (+5.6) when they signed him.

Dud: It never works well for any team when they’re having to start Marshall Newhouse (-9.3).

Summary: As bad as they are at tackle, they are as good (if not better) on the interior. Indeed, when the combo of Justin Pugh, Schwartz, and Weston Richburg line up, there may not be a better interior line in football right now.


I think Pugh has been our best OL, but the grade for Schwartz seems ok. It's a cumulative grade, so +5.6 basically means he's been above average in each game, which IMO is fair.

I also agree with Newhouse's grade. I think a strong pocket by Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz and a quick release has allowed Eli to avoid some would be sacks from Newhouse's man.
for a while now wondering the same as Bob in  
ColHowPepper : 10/9/2015 11:44 am : link
Massachusetts. I think the playing out of position is less a factor than that he was a rookie thrust into a bit of a shitshow in the middle of the line, i.e., next to Walton, and adjusting to speed, strength of DTs and NTs opposite him. Compare this to 2015 where he had capable players bookending him, can't help but improve his performance.

He's still young, and to my eye his frame can stand to add muscle and bulk without hampering his athleticism.
I just want to say something that I think gets  
phil in arizona : 10/9/2015 12:06 pm : link
totally overlooked. Jerry and company deserve a lot of credit for going with Richberg over Marcus Martin, who a lot of people wanted and was considered the #1 center in the draft by a good margin.

Martin has been TERRIBLE in San Francisco, even with some pretty good guards next to him. He's probably a big reason why Kaepernick is all of a sudden playing shell shocked.
It seems the whole line is so much more cohesive  
mfsd : 10/9/2015 12:23 pm : link
so far this year. The number of times a rusher comes through clean bc of miscommunication has been way down
RE: It seems the whole line is so much more cohesive  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/9/2015 12:30 pm : link
In comment 12536477 mfsd said:
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so far this year. The number of times a rusher comes through clean bc of miscommunication has been way down


mfsd, they have also (more often than not) been playing for rushers to come through how they want them to, and then take advantage of it
1.8 seconds  
ZogZerg : 10/9/2015 12:34 pm : link
Hard to sack QB that when that's all the time they have to get there.
Phil: Three fifths of that line as been terrible.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/9/2015 12:56 pm : link
If Staley actually can't go, it probably becomes four fifths - or even five fifths, if they move Alex Boone to left tackle, where he has no business playing.

I don't think there was a consensus top center in the 2014 Draft Class. Richburg seems to be a good fit for the Giant offense, though it's possible that the Giants took him a little earlier than they needed to. He was the 43rd pick; the next center off the board was Martin at #70.

There are several other starters around the League who were drafed much later, and it seems premature to assume that Richburg will have the best career of the bunch, even if Martin continues to under-achieve. Russell Bodine has started every game since joining the Bengals. Ditto fifth-rounder Corey Linsley in Green Bay. Travis Swanson is entrenched in Detroit. New England got good value with James Stork, though he's on IR (DtR) currently. Matt Paradis is starting in Denver after a year on the practice squad. Sixth-rounder Luke Bowanko was a rookie starter in Jacksonville, but has been ousted by Stefen Wisniewski. Same has happened to UDFA Johnotthan Harrison in Indy.
Stork was really solid last year  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/9/2015 12:59 pm : link
Not sure how the rest of that class was.

Incidentally, a lot of fans wanted to trade for Alex Boone last year, and he is looking like junk.
What really annoyed me is that we wasted a year of Richburg's  
David in LA : 10/9/2015 2:24 pm : link
development by not letting him play in his natural spot. Does anyone honestly believe Walton outperformed Richburg in camp last year? You have to tip your cap to Reese and Coughlin for remedying the OL this year. Our LT, LG, and C are set for years.
RE: What really annoyed me is that we wasted a year of Richburg's  
giants#1 : 10/9/2015 2:29 pm : link
In comment 12536726 David in LA said:
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development by not letting him play in his natural spot. Does anyone honestly believe Walton outperformed Richburg in camp last year? You have to tip your cap to Reese and Coughlin for remedying the OL this year. Our LT, LG, and C are set for years.


It's not like Richburg sat on the bench. He was the starting LG and was able to work on adjusting to the speed of the game without having to worry about making all the line calls. And sliding Richburg to OC would've just left a gaping hole at LG.

They did the right thing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/9/2015 2:31 pm : link
I have no problem being concerned with a rookie Center having the responsibility of having to recognize the defense and make the adjustment calls.
Beatty  
djstat : 10/9/2015 3:54 pm : link
Needs to come back and play Right Tackle
RE: What really annoyed me is that we wasted a year of Richburg's  
djstat : 10/9/2015 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12536726 David in LA said:
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development by not letting him play in his natural spot. Does anyone honestly believe Walton outperformed Richburg in camp last year? You have to tip your cap to Reese and Coughlin for remedying the OL this year. Our LT, LG, and C are set for years.


Disagree. Who would have played left guard? He learned how to play in the NFL without pressure of making line calls and worrying about both the left and right guard next to him who were crappy.
I wouldn't worry about it  
SHO'NUFF : 10/9/2015 4:19 pm : link
Spags will work his magic and dial something up...oh wait, you mean going the other way?
We're getting upgraded performance from all three interior OL spots  
Torrag : 10/9/2015 4:21 pm : link
LG-C-RG across the board have improved.
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