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NFT: Knicks @ Wizards preseason - 7:00 game

Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 11:52 am
On MSG2 tonight, simultaneous with the Rangers on MSG, so there will be some channel-flipping.

First test against an NBA team. A few guys sat out practice yesterday per the Post article linked.
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No afflalo tonight, probably no Seraphin he is Questionable  
nygiants16 : 10/9/2015 11:54 am : link
Fisher said most likely same starting 5 but still mulling it...

Mentioned that his starting 5 are going to be more of a half court 5 and that his second unit is a little more athletic and will run more...
no Seraphin, no problem  
Greg from LI : 10/9/2015 12:03 pm : link
Hell yeah

Is that Darion Atkins?  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 12:06 pm : link
I'd be interested to see him play. Doesn't really solve the problem of Seraphin being out, though. I wonder who the "other" backup C on this team is ... KP?
RE: Is that Darion Atkins?  
nygiants16 : 10/9/2015 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12536440 Del Shofner said:
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I'd be interested to see him play. Doesn't really solve the problem of Seraphin being out, though. I wonder who the "other" backup C on this team is ... KP?


They would just go small off the bench:

Galloway Grant early Williams Oquinn

THat is a pretty athletic bench but i like the oquinn Seraphin front court better...
yep, it's DA  
Greg from LI : 10/9/2015 12:17 pm : link
I'd just be thrilled to see him get on the court even in preseason. He's a good guy who overcame some disappointments to have a terrific senior year and it's nice to see him make it this far even if he has no shot of making the roster.
RE: yep, it's DA  
nygiants16 : 10/9/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12536470 Greg from LI said:
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I'd just be thrilled to see him get on the court even in preseason. He's a good guy who overcame some disappointments to have a terrific senior year and it's nice to see him make it this far even if he has no shot of making the roster.


He will be on the d league team, so you can follow him...

I think the 5 guys who are cut will all be on the dleague team unless Thanasis is one of the cut players, i think he goes overseas if he is cut..
Yep  
Greg from LI : 10/9/2015 12:25 pm : link
He and Saunders got bigger deals than the usual D-league contracts, partially guaranteed too, indicating that the Knicks want to keep them in the system.
The Wizards are getting to be very good  
DCOrange : 10/9/2015 12:31 pm : link
Otto Porter is finally playing as they expected. They could be the sleeper in the east.
Other backup center.  
manh george : 10/9/2015 12:33 pm : link
Probably go small part of the time, with O'Quinn at center and
Williams or Melo at PF. Could even give Amundson a few minutes at the 4 or 5 for a slightly bigger look. (Yuck.)

O'Quinn is really a 4/5. Many teams don't have a back-up center who is bigger than 6'10", 250, and many of them are less athletic than he is.

Atkins might even get a few minutes as a pretty big 3 who can rebound and defend, but can not shoot the ball in the ocean, except from a jetty.
RE: The Wizards are getting to be very good  
nygiants16 : 10/9/2015 12:36 pm : link
In comment 12536501 DCOrange said:
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Otto Porter is finally playing as they expected. They could be the sleeper in the east.


This is my problem with the Wizards, they have 2 big lumbering bigs, with a fast break back court...

If they could trade Nene for an athletic 4 who can run and shoot, i think they would take the next step...

Wall wants to run and get in the open court, that is when he is at his best...

Also in the playoffs, who is their go to scorer? is it Wall? Beal? Gortat? they dont have that guy who can put a team on his back and just carry them in a playoff game...

They are very good team do not get me wrong and probably top 4 in the east but i dont think they are there yet where they can compete..
RE: RE: yep, it's DA  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 12:36 pm : link
In comment 12536475 nygiants16 said:
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I think the 5 guys who are cut will all be on the dleague team unless Thanasis is one of the cut players, i think he goes overseas if he is cut..


Minor point, but I think they only need to cut 4 guys. They have 19 currently and need to get to 15.
RE: RE: RE: yep, it's DA  
nygiants16 : 10/9/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12536513 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 12536475 nygiants16 said:


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I think the 5 guys who are cut will all be on the dleague team unless Thanasis is one of the cut players, i think he goes overseas if he is cut..



Minor point, but I think they only need to cut 4 guys. They have 19 currently and need to get to 15.


ahh you are correct, ok 4 guys who are cut unless it is Thanasis, my fault
How is Washington a sleeper in the East?  
BigBlueShock : 10/9/2015 12:38 pm : link
Aren't they pretty universally expected to be at least top 4? Or close to it? That's not a sleeper, by any stretch of the imagination.
Hopefully KP settles in and just plays basketball tonight.  
bceagle05 : 10/9/2015 12:44 pm : link
I sure hope Calderon isn't the Stephen Drew of the Knicks this season - inexplicably getting playing time over younger, better options.
Would be great to send Atkins to the D-League and teach him to shoot.  
manh george : 10/9/2015 12:44 pm : link
The problem is he is already 23, and his free throw percentage last year was .520. Looks as if he has a physiological issue such as Meagan Fox's thumbs, or coordination issues that very well may not be fixable.
RE: RE: The Wizards are getting to be very good  
Stu11 : 10/9/2015 12:51 pm : link
In comment 12536511 nygiants16 said:
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Also in the playoffs, who is their go to scorer? is it Wall? Beal? Gortat? they dont have that guy who can put a team on his back and just carry them in a playoff game...


Don't tell the Knicks that. Beal has dagger'd us to death the past few years lol
RE: RE: RE: The Wizards are getting to be very good  
nygiants16 : 10/9/2015 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12536533 Stu11 said:
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Also in the playoffs, who is their go to scorer? is it Wall? Beal? Gortat? they dont have that guy who can put a team on his back and just carry them in a playoff game...




Don't tell the Knicks that. Beal has dagger'd us to death the past few years lol


Not in the playoffs, playoffs are a different pace and different style, you can be the fastest team in the league but when it comes to the playoffs it is always slowed down, you need a guy you can give the ball to and go 1 on 1...
Im not ready to say that...  
Italianju : 10/9/2015 12:55 pm : link
Wall cant be that guy. He has improved every year. If Beal can stay healthy he could make major strides. Personally i think WAS can be the 2nd best team in the east (probably my favorite for the 2 seed if i had to pick).
nyg16  
Deej : 10/9/2015 1:35 pm : link
Re WASH and lumbering bigs vs running back court, I've seen that Porter will play some small ball 4.
RE: nyg16  
nygiants16 : 10/9/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12536624 Deej said:
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Re WASH and lumbering bigs vs running back court, I've seen that Porter will play some small ball 4.


That will help, if Porter can live up to his draft slot that would be big for them...

RE: Im not ready to say that...  
nygiants16 : 10/9/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12536541 Italianju said:
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Wall cant be that guy. He has improved every year. If Beal can stay healthy he could make major strides. Personally i think WAS can be the 2nd best team in the east (probably my favorite for the 2 seed if i had to pick).


Even if they are the 2 seed, i still see Cleveland smoking them in the playoffs...
preview from the  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 5:58 pm : link
Knicks website ...
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starters are ...  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 7:10 pm : link
same as Wednesday.
I know the hockey games are dominating the networks  
Canton : 10/9/2015 7:11 pm : link
But watching the Knicks on MSG2 is shit without HD.
there is MSG2 HD, I am watching it now.  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 7:17 pm : link
579 on FIOS in Brooklyn.
KOQ in for Lopez so  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 7:19 pm : link
I guess he is the "other" backup C.
RE: there is MSG2 HD, I am watching it now.  
Canton : 10/9/2015 7:21 pm : link
In comment 12537295 Del Shofner said:
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579 on FIOS in Brooklyn.


I have Xfinity in New Jersey.

Boo!
Amundson will get some time at center also  
steve in ky : 10/9/2015 7:22 pm : link
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Hard to evaluate anything  
bceagle05 : 10/9/2015 7:25 pm : link
with Calderon and Vujacic out there. Now Gallo and Grant are in.
Love that Clyde  
Aspano! : 10/9/2015 7:29 pm : link
Still refers to Humphries as the "Kardashian guy"
down by 4 at the end of Q1.  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 7:35 pm : link
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RE: RE: there is MSG2 HD, I am watching it now.  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 7:37 pm : link
In comment 12537301 Canton said:
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579 on FIOS in Brooklyn.



I have Xfinity in New Jersey.

Boo!


Rangers are on 578 so it's an easy night for toggling back and forth.
Jorts on the Wizards  
Aspano! : 10/9/2015 7:40 pm : link
Makes me upset.
Derrick Williams  
bceagle05 : 10/9/2015 7:49 pm : link
keeps on chucking.
Two nice plays by the rookie on that one series  
steve in ky : 10/9/2015 8:06 pm : link
A block under the basket on the defensive end and a tap out to Anthony on the other end. Four point difference with those two efforts.
Anthony's shot looks as smooth as ever  
steve in ky : 10/9/2015 8:09 pm : link
I think his knees are finally not hurting and he is more back to his old self. Lets just hope his knees hold up all season without chronic pain.
Knicks up 5 at the half.  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 8:10 pm : link
Carmelo looking good again. KP with 7 boards and 2 blocks in the half.
Carmelo looks fantastic.  
bceagle05 : 10/9/2015 8:31 pm : link
Much better showing from KP. He's really crashing the boards.
Of course it is just preseason but they look like an  
steve in ky : 10/9/2015 8:34 pm : link
entirely different team. The additions Jackson brought in really look like a nice fit so far.
They should sit Anthony soon  
steve in ky : 10/9/2015 8:37 pm : link
He is already in med season form; give some other guys more min and don't risk injury. They still have plenty more warm up games before the season starts for him to stay tuned in.
What has impressed me tonight about KP  
steve in ky : 10/9/2015 8:40 pm : link
is inspire of his aggressive play with double digit rebounds and a couple of blocks so far he isn't picking up fouls like so many rookies would.
RE: They should sit Anthony soon  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 8:40 pm : link
In comment 12537405 steve in ky said:
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He is already in med season form; give some other guys more min and don't risk injury. They still have plenty more warm up games before the season starts for him to stay tuned in.


Agree.

KP gets tired and sits down with 10 boards, 9 points, 3 assists and 2 blocks in 21 minutes, plus altered a bunch of Wizard shots.
RE: Derrick Williams  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 8:45 pm : link
In comment 12537339 bceagle05 said:
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keeps on chucking.


Yup. Second unit not looking as good tonight, without Seraphin. First unit looked great, though.
Is Early  
xman : 10/9/2015 9:08 pm : link
a liability
Zingers a  
xman : 10/9/2015 9:08 pm : link
ringer
Love what O'Quinn brings to the table.  
bceagle05 : 10/9/2015 9:09 pm : link
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RE: Love what O'Quinn brings to the table.  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12537452 bceagle05 said:
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yeah, he is surprising me how good he is. He has a double-double now.
sightings of Amundson and the Greek kid  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 9:19 pm : link
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Knicks win  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2015 9:26 pm : link
handily.
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Zinger rebounded very well.  
Ira : 10/9/2015 9:30 pm : link
During his first few months, I'd like to see him focusing on rebounding and defense. His scoring will come. Everyone knows he's a talented scorer. But he's very young and it will take him time to get comfortable on the offensive end.
Early isn't ready after an injury-filled first season...  
manh george : 10/9/2015 10:31 pm : link
and it probably won't matter. The backup 3 is likely to be Williams, and they have enough guards and enough 4-5's to go 3-guard at times if they need to.

People hating on Williams in the first game were awfully premature. He has a lot to learn, but he showed skills and effort tonight. He's a big, physical 3, and if he pays attention, he can play d.
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