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NFT: Mets at Dodgers Game 1!

ZGiants98 : 10/9/2015 6:31 pm
Mets

Curtis Granderson, RF

David Wright, 3B

Yoenis Cespedes, CF

Daniel Murphy, 2B

Travis d'Arnaud, C

Lucas Duda, 1B

Michael Cuddyer, LF

Ruben Tejada, SS

Jacob deGrom, RHP

Dodgers

Carl Crawford, LF

Howie Kendrick, 2B

Corey Seager, SS

Adrian Gonzalez, 1B

Justin Turner, 3B

Andre Ethier, RF

AJ Ellis, C

Joc Pederson, CF

Clayton Kershaw, LHP

Beat the Dodgers! Lets Go! Take Game 1.
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RE: Mattingly will get roasted  
steve in ky : 10/10/2015 10:39 am : link
In comment 12538253 5BowlsSoon said:
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For removing Cy Young pitcher Kershaw for some stiff named Baez. Pretty bold and In my opinion stupid. I don't care how it looked like Kershaw was on the ropes. He is Kershaw. Nevertheless, Dodgers weren't beating deGromm anyhow.


Mattingly made the right call. They guy had walked the bases loaded; he was done. Was he really supposed to let him continue at that point? Of course people always second guess either way but can you imagine if he left him in and he either walks in an assurance run or give up the big hit to DW how much he would be second guessed for leaving him in?
DeGrom, Clippard, Cuddyer, Plate Ump  
ColHowPepper : 10/10/2015 10:53 am : link
watching DeGrom battle Kershaw through 7 felt similar to what transpired earlier in the day, when a very efficient Lackey's pitch count was in sharp contrast to Lester's laboring. Both Lester and deGrom went to so many 3-2 counts, I was going bananas, even when deGrom faced Kershaw. Getting through 7 innings with his pitch count at ~120, no earned runs, on a night when he had good stuff but was not especially sharp was very impressive.

Clippard had that terrific stretch when the Mets closed the gap and built the lead on the Nats. But I don't have confidence in his stuff: he leaves too many pitches up in the zone and there is often not a lot of movement.

Cuddyer, that was an embarrassing performance: he got a late jump on the ball that ticked off his glove and, on the second, broke first toward the line several steps before adjusting and breaking back toward the wall. Question: how the wind keep Yoenis' fly in the park yet Cuddyer is breaking sideways? Watching him in LF keeps spitting up the SA mistakes and leaves a sour taste. Cuddyer looked like an over-the-hill, old man playing LF and his at bats were anemic, of course, that's what Kershaw does.

Home plate ump: that also was an embarrassing performance. Torrag was right, he was equally bad for both teams, especially on balls below the knees...stopping deGrom on a "time" when JdG had already gone into his windup.
This one will be remembered  
Headhunter : 10/10/2015 10:57 am : link
it is also possible that we see better and that is a reality
I was glad when they pulled Kershaw and think it was the wrong move  
Eric on Li : 10/10/2015 11:03 am : link
His walks weren't gifts by any stretch, they were very close AB's that were battles back and forth. Tejada and Granderson each fought back with 2 strikes on them and earned those bases. Wright had a few good AB's vs. Kershaw, but none of the righties had made any solid contact off of him and it's not like the guy they brought in was some lights out reliever. Didn't Darling say he had an opponent BA over .300 against the first man he faces? And you bring that guy in to a bases loaded situation vs. letting Kershaw continue? Talk about being jaded from last year.

And re: Cuddyer's defense - nobody remembers him being bad in the field because he only played 39 games there in the 2nd half of the season (66 overall). When he was signed, most reports said he was the worst defensive LF in baseball, aging on bad knees, and he didn't do much this season to disprove that. I could definitely still see him getting big hits in this PS, but after yesterday I'd likely restrict him to pinch hitting or playing 1B. Anything you get from Cuddyer will be an outlier to any statistical accomplishments he had this season. His OPS vs. lefties was .700 and he hasn't hit an HR since August.
Eric  
ColHowPepper : 10/10/2015 11:11 am : link
agree on the Kershaw at bats his last inning: in particular, I thought Granderson gamed the ump when, twice, consecutive pitches I believe, he jerked back, once raising his arms, as if the pitch was close to hitting him.

Of course, the so-called "center field" camera in this game, as with some others, is very tough to read because it's not a dead center view: pitches that looked like they painted the outside corner to lefties were called consistently outside.

Separately, and NOT affected by the slightly skewed angle from CF--and the graphics showed multiple, multiple balls low and well out of the zone were called strikes by this ump. wtf
Eric  
steve in ky : 10/10/2015 11:30 am : link
I was glad they pulled him also, it's always good to run a great pitcher but you can't fault Mattingly there; it was the right move to make. You can only give a pitcher so much rope and at that point Mattingly couldn't let him continue and risk losing the first game of the series with a pitcher who was well over 100 pitches, had a history of blowing it in a similar situation and had just walked the bases loaded. It didn't work out for him but it was the smarter move to make. A manager just can't let his team go down in flames with a gassed pitcher. That's exactly the situation why you have a bull pen.
RE: Eric  
schabadoo : 10/10/2015 11:39 am : link
In comment 12538292 steve in ky said:
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I was glad they pulled him also, it's always good to run a great pitcher but you can't fault Mattingly there; it was the right move to make. You can only give a pitcher so much rope and at that point Mattingly couldn't let him continue and risk losing the first game of the series with a pitcher who was well over 100 pitches, had a history of blowing it in a similar situation and had just walked the bases loaded. It didn't work out for him but it was the smarter move to make. A manager just can't let his team go down in flames with a gassed pitcher. That's exactly the situation why you have a bull pen.


If a run got scored in the seventh when Wright came up, Mattingly was going to get second-guessed regardless.
Disagree - I didn't see many signs of Kershaw losing it  
Eric on Li : 10/10/2015 11:39 am : link
and yes, that's why you have a pen, but not all bullpens are equal. Pedro Baez has a near 4 era over the second half of the season, a near 6 era in September, and according to Darling is terrible against the first batter he faces (can't find the stat online anywhere but believe he said opp BA > .300).

If they were bringing in someone even on the level of Clippard or Reed that would be 1 thing, but they basically brought in Hansel Robles. I think Mattingly was looking to not repeat a mistake made last year and made a new mistake.
Schab - that's 100% correct  
Eric on Li : 10/10/2015 11:42 am : link
but as an opposing fan all I can say is that I was happy Kershaw got the hook in the moment and upon researching the decision it seems even worse. Great relievers have a tough enough time in the post season. Mediocre ones usually get very exposed. Baez had a 7.7 ERA in his 2 appearances last year.
Pedro Martinez  
steve in ky : 10/10/2015 11:53 am : link
Had a nice breakdown of why he was done at that point. Not sure if it is online anywhere but it was much more insightful into Kershaw mechanics and why he was in trouble and missing his pitches than most post game talking head type of stuff. He even went as far as blaming the pitching coach for not spotting it sooner.

DeGroms recording breaking performance  
Canton : 10/10/2015 11:57 am : link
is the first 10 plus strikeouts game, for the Mets, since Dwight Gooden had 10, in the 1988 NLDS Game at Dodger Stadium.
NLCS*  
Canton : 10/10/2015 11:58 am : link
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RE: DeGroms recording breaking performance  
steve in ky : 10/10/2015 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12538323 Canton said:
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is the first 10 plus strikeouts game, for the Mets, since Dwight Gooden had 10, in the 1988 NLDS Game at Dodger Stadium.


Even more impressive is tying Tom Seaver's post game record of 13 K's.

I love the way this young man rises to the big moments. The great ones usually do.

If you go by pitching game scores, that was the Mets 5th best PS start  
Eric on Li : 10/10/2015 12:17 pm : link
Noah TristerVerified account ‏@noahtrister 12h12 hours ago
Game Score of 79 for deGrom would be fifth best in Mets postseason history. (Matlock 89, Hampton 88, Jones 88, Seaver 80.)
RE: Pedro Martinez  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12538318 steve in ky said:
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Had a nice breakdown of why he was done at that point. Not sure if it is online anywhere but it was much more insightful into Kershaw mechanics and why he was in trouble and missing his pitches than most post game talking head type of stuff. He even went as far as blaming the pitching coach for not spotting it sooner.



Pedro was amazing. I watched that whole postgame show just to hear him.
I love Pedro's analysis and didn't see that part first hand  
Eric on Li : 10/10/2015 12:27 pm : link
but I would imagine pitchers mechanics are often changing in game. I saw someone do the same thing showing how Degrom's changed for the better as the game went on getting more on top of the ball (think it was either Pedro or Darling). If it was my call I'd still rather have Kershaw on the hill battling through at bats the way he was at the time than bringing in someone mediocre like Baez for a high leverage situation.
RE: If you go by pitching game scores, that was the Mets 5th best PS start  
steve in ky : 10/10/2015 12:27 pm : link
In comment 12538344 Eric on Li said:
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Noah TristerVerified account @noahtrister 12h12 hours ago
Game Score of 79 for deGrom would be fifth best in Mets postseason history. (Matlock 89, Hampton 88, Jones 88, Seaver 80.)


I have some real questions about any metric that doesn't include any of Gooden's games in the Mets top grouping. His 1984 one hitter, which if it weren't but for Ray Knight should have been a no hitter was one of the most dominate pitching performances any Met has ever thrown. Let along a few other gems he had.
Regarding Cuddyer  
ZGiants98 : 10/10/2015 12:30 pm : link
Why would you cherry pick out his second half only? We all know he missed time to injury in the second half. All the plays he made in the first half don't count? Cuddyer doesn't have a lot of range obviously. This especially killed him in Coloarado which has one of the most expansive RF's in baseball if you followed his metering. He's always made the plays he could get to and he's had a very strong arm to boot.
Metering ?  
ZGiants98 : 10/10/2015 12:30 pm : link
Metrics
RE: RE: If you go by pitching game scores, that was the Mets 5th best PS start  
steve in ky : 10/10/2015 12:34 pm : link
In comment 12538354 steve in ky said:
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In comment 12538344 Eric on Li said:


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Noah TristerVerified account @noahtrister 12h12 hours ago
Game Score of 79 for deGrom would be fifth best in Mets postseason history. (Matlock 89, Hampton 88, Jones 88, Seaver 80.)



I have some real questions about any metric that doesn't include any of Gooden's games in the Mets top grouping. His 1984 one hitter, which if it weren't but for Ray Knight should have been a no hitter was one of the most dominate pitching performances any Met has ever thrown. Let along a few other gems he had.


Ah I missed the part about post season. Gooden 84 game obviously in season.
Kershaw was definitely losing  
ZGiants98 : 10/10/2015 12:34 pm : link
It in the 7th. It was the first time the entire game he actually had zero control of some of his pitches. Tejada's pitch was over his head. If my 93 year old grandmother could yell out "he's getting tired" he probably was. Lol
Conforto's OPS against lefties is .481.  
Ira : 10/10/2015 12:38 pm : link
If the Mets didn't want to play Cuddyer, they would have used Lagares.
He played more games in LF in the 2nd half than he did in the 1st half  
Eric on Li : 10/10/2015 12:42 pm : link
And he dealt with injuries in both halves. There was no cherry picking other than utilizing the most recent data once the roster was constructed as it is now (with Conforto and Cespedes in the mix).

The point was he didn't play there much all season and he hasn't done much of anything positive down the stretch. In 66 starts in LF he had 3 errors, which is more than every OF other than Granderson who played like 3x the games, and every advanced metric has him negative. He had what should have been 2 errors last night and if JdG doesn't strand those 2 runners and Wright doesn't extend the lead, he's the reason. He's the reason they needed to go to the BP in the 8th because he cost JdG at least 10-15 extra pitches.
Scott Boras shooting his mouth off again  
steve in ky : 10/10/2015 12:43 pm : link
I know he wants to look out for his pitcher but I can't help but think at some point he hinders him because teams will know they have to deal with this crap if signing him.

His clients team is in the middle of the playoffs just shut up already!

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Everybody knows what his ethic is. And remember this too Matt Harvey gave his arm already for the New York Mets, Boras said before Game 1 of the NLDS at Dodger Stadium. That is when in 2013 he went out and pitched until he didnt have a ligament.



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Syndergaard named to BA Al rookie team  
Headhunter : 10/10/2015 12:54 pm : link
Syndergaard proceeded to lead all rookie starters (min. 80 innings) with 10.0 strikeouts per nine innings, a 1.05 WHIP and average fastball velocity of 96.5 mph, Baseball America explained. In fact, hes the hardest-throwing rookie starter (by the above criteria) in the eight seasons of the Pitch f/x era.
All Rookie Team  
Headhunter : 10/10/2015 12:54 pm : link
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RE: He played more games in LF in the 2nd half than he did in the 1st half  
ZGiants98 : 10/10/2015 12:55 pm : link
In comment 12538376 Eric on Li said:
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And he dealt with injuries in both halves. There was no cherry picking other than utilizing the most recent data once the roster was constructed as it is now (with Conforto and Cespedes in the mix).

The point was he didn't play there much all season and he hasn't done much of anything positive down the stretch. In 66 starts in LF he had 3 errors, which is more than every OF other than Granderson who played like 3x the games, and every advanced metric has him negative. He had what should have been 2 errors last night and if JdG doesn't strand those 2 runners and Wright doesn't extend the lead, he's the reason. He's the reason they needed to go to the BP in the 8th because he cost JdG at least 10-15 extra pitches.


OOOhhh. He's the reason. LOL. We all know he fucked up and misjudged two wind moving balls. And he's had more errors than Granderson, Lagares, and Cepedes? That's a barometer? Those three have been incredible. 3 errors over a season will never be considered a lot. Ive watched him all year. He is not a liability. He doesn't have a lot of range but he'll make the play if its in his vicinity.
I give us the slight edge tonight  
ZGiants98 : 10/10/2015 1:18 pm : link
I think Syndergaard is the perfect pitcher to be going tonight also. The Dodgers have to be reeling after just facing deGrom. Its a do or die game for them. All the pressure is on them in front of their home crowd and the first pitch they are likely to see is a 100 MPH pitch in their ear. I couldn't imagine having to face Syndergaard's stuff after a performance last night from deGrom. The Dodgers should be very afraid.
Boras has a vendetta against the Mets/Wilpons  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2015 1:19 pm : link
He is really hurting his client with these type of comments, especially before the first playoff game.

Harvey is hurting his image enough by putting on 20 lbs and missing a morning practice, giving the impression he is out partying. He doesn't need Boras fanning the flames.

Boras sucks... No doubt about it  
ZGiants98 : 10/10/2015 1:26 pm : link
The crazy thing with Harvey's weight is its intentional. He's a few times mentioned he didn't like pitching at such a low weight in 2013 and felt it lead to his arm troubles. He purposely gained weight over the last offseason as a way, in his mind, to help his arm and help the team.
RE: Conforto's OPS against lefties is .481.  
sphinx : 10/10/2015 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12538372 Ira said:
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If the Mets didn't want to play Cuddyer, they would have used Lagares.

Big sample size ... 15 PAs.

RE: Boras sucks... No doubt about it  
Ira : 10/10/2015 2:03 pm : link
In comment 12538424 ZGiants98 said:
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The crazy thing with Harvey's weight is its intentional. He's a few times mentioned he didn't like pitching at such a low weight in 2013 and felt it lead to his arm troubles. He purposely gained weight over the last offseason as a way, in his mind, to help his arm and help the team.


It works for Colon.
re: Boras  
SethFromAstoria : 10/10/2015 2:08 pm : link
I find it really easy to separate Harvey from Boras. Yes he hired him and yes he missed a meeting but I put 95% of the focus on Boras when it comes to all this BS related to his arm and his contract. As has always been the case, Boras and the fans of baseball as well as the teams have always and will always view all this contract stuff from completely conflicting viewpoints. Boras is single minded and things like emotional attachment or loyalty don't register in his mind, so players playing in the same uniform for their careers or a player wanting to win/live in a certain city are irrelevant to him. More importantly he projects that onto his clients. The players are assets and money printing machines that should have one singular goal: earn as much damn cash as possible and ignore other factors. There have been many but ARod and Boras whoring him around the league and creating an imaginary market was the ultimate example of Boras and his method. He created a false "personal desire" that ARod wanted to play for the Mets due to some childhood emotional attachment, while also pushing what at the time was the most stupidly high paid long term contract. He used his fancy PowerPoints and notebooks to try and bullsht his way to "added historical value and relevance" for ARod. So not only did he deserve more money than God himself, he also deserved other benefits and perks. Because he was ARod goddamit. And guess what, it worked when he found an old maniac with too much cash and a desire to make his team relevant. Boras didn't care where ARod played but the real way Boras is Boras is that he convinces his client to not care either. It's all about the money. And he does his job well obviously.

If you hire Boras then cash is the focus and likely the only focus. I don't think Harvey feels that way in reality but when you hire an agent who can convince wealthy, business savvy and intelligent men to spend irresponsibly on his clients, then I'd bet it's easy for him to convince players to be business men first and baseball players second. He doesn't care about talking about all this Harvey arm/contract shit in the middle of a playoffs because he doesn't care about the playoff for any other reason than his client using that stage to make more money. All the competition and team oriented stuff is unimportant. All about the cash money
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steve in ky : 10/10/2015 2:20 pm : link
At this point I have to believe if Harvey really wanted Boras to keep quite when it comes to publically commenting about him and his arm Boras would do so.
To my fellow Met fans  
Headhunter : 10/10/2015 2:27 pm : link
Harvey is eligible to become a Free Agent after the 2018 season ends. You can want to waste time and energy during the Playiffs in2015 talking about Scott Boras? Fucking weird
I don't like the potential of distraction to the team  
steve in ky : 10/10/2015 2:33 pm : link
It's the playoffs Harvey should make sure his people keep quite. Why take the chance of any distraction? The manager and players should be 100% focused on the game at hand and not be thinking about how they would try and answer a question about Boras's comment if asked. I think it's more weird for a fan to not care at all about any potential distractions right now.
RE: To my fellow Met fans  
ZGiants98 : 10/10/2015 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12538492 Headhunter said:
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Harvey is eligible to become a Free Agent after the 2018 season ends. You can want to waste time and energy during the Playiffs in2015 talking about Scott Boras? Fucking weird


So over it. I know Ive played a part in the discussions and we are going to be hearing it all over again on Monday but what a bunch of crap. He's one of our best pitchers/players and we have postseason games to win. When he assaults somebody or gets caught selling crack, please let me know, but all this other back and forth sounds like a bunch of jaded women crying over his "personality". Is this baseball or the damn coffee club? If he wants to leave in 2019, great! I could give two fucks. The whole team will look completely different by then and we'll have already used all his good years.
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SethFromAstoria : 10/10/2015 2:37 pm : link
In comment 12538483 steve in ky said:
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At this point I have to believe if Harvey really wanted Boras to keep quite when it comes to publically commenting about him and his arm Boras would do so.


You'd think this....but Alex Rodriguez hired him to get him paid and Boras managed to get ARod an amazing contract that even now is massive but back then was another level. The years and money were so beyond what anyone else had gotten before, but he did it. Yet ARod fired him. And I think it's because as much as the agent works for the player Boras is a different animal. I think his involvement and "power" is on a higher level than other agents. Look at this crap from an article about A-Rod splitting with Boras:

".... Boras Corp., which, in addition to contract negotiations, offers its clients psychological counseling, investment advice and physical training, among other services."

"...after nearly 20 years of listening to Boras' attempts to control everything from his diet to his after-hours conduct, A-Rod has simply tuned him out.

"He's just tired of listening to him," the source said. "He's under a lot of pressure from his new people to get rid of [Boras]."


Sounds like when you work with Boras, he's the boss whether you realize it or not. He's awful for everything fans care about and obviously the best for getting his clients the green
I was just participating  
SethFromAstoria : 10/10/2015 2:41 pm : link
in the conversation because it was brought up but frankly I care about Harvey's one missed practice and his innings nonsense less than not at all. I think it's media gossip and entertainment news. We wasted a few minutes on it but the sports media spends weeks dwelling and obsessing.


Game 2 tonight. Unassuming 6'7" Viking on the mound. Surely the Dodgers have nothing to worry about. He can't possibly throw 99 with 4 plus pitches can he?
He is not the boss  
Headhunter : 10/10/2015 2:45 pm : link
no matter how the perception seems, it is the client that has the final say on ALL decisions. The agent can strongly suggest things and try to point the client to come to the decision he would like but it is always the client's decision. No one has every said my Agent made me do this or that, the agent might of advised him/her to take a course of action but the final decision is the client's.
I could care less about Harvey's contract right now  
Eric on Li : 10/10/2015 3:03 pm : link
But I think he's a total moron if he turns down an extension this offseason. If there's any silver lining to all the drama this year I think it may be that both sides now realize there would be a lot of benefits to a record setting extension. And by record setting I mean for a player with that many team controlled years left, like the 5/80 deals verlander and King Felix took at similar points away from FA. That may be where Harvey finally has enough of Boras' nonsense because I think a real good argument can be made that Strasburgs waiting strategy won't end up getting the mega deal he previously thought whereas those guys got guaranteed security very quickly and then also capitalized with megadeals later on.
RE: To my fellow Met fans  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2015 5:26 pm : link
In comment 12538492 Headhunter said:
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Harvey is eligible to become a Free Agent after the 2018 season ends. You can want to waste time and energy during the Playiffs in2015 talking about Scott Boras? Fucking weird


Scott Boras made these pronouncements about Harvey last night at Dodgers Stadium. You find it odd that Mets fans are talking about it 18 hours later?

RE: Kershaw was definitely losing  
Ira : 10/10/2015 5:38 pm : link
In comment 12538366 ZGiants98 said:
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It in the 7th. It was the first time the entire game he actually had zero control of some of his pitches. Tejada's pitch was over his head. If my 93 year old grandmother could yell out "he's getting tired" he probably was. Lol


Mattingly had a good argument for taking out Kershaw, but he brought the wrong pitcher in the game. The bases were loaded with two out and Baez gets hit hard by the first batter he faces.
RE: RE: To my fellow Met fans  
PhiPsi125 : 10/10/2015 6:28 pm : link
In comment 12538701 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 12538492 Headhunter said:


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Harvey is eligible to become a Free Agent after the 2018 season ends. You can want to waste time and energy during the Playiffs in2015 talking about Scott Boras? Fucking weird



Scott Boras made these pronouncements about Harvey last night at Dodgers Stadium. You find it odd that Mets fans are talking about it 18 hours later?


LOL, exactly. Fucking weird.
I don't get why it's so hard for some people to understand  
PhiPsi125 : 10/10/2015 6:44 pm : link
why fans would want to discuss the long term plans for one of the best pitcher on their staff and in the league. Do you really think that it's taking away from our enjoyment of their playoff run? Do you think it's possible to have the ability to discuss two things at once?

But then to constantly feel the need to get up on their soapbox and have this diatribe shaming people because they happen to care about something they don't? We get it...you don't care about what happens with Harvey's long term status. It doesn't mean that other fans shouldn't discuss an extremely relevant team issue. I just don't get it.
There's nothing "extremely relevant"  
ZGiants98 : 10/10/2015 7:55 pm : link
About a singular missed practice and a middle finger pic from two years ago but please carry on. Let the Harvey bashing continue....
RE: There's nothing  
PhiPsi125 : 10/10/2015 8:01 pm : link
In comment 12538904 ZGiants98 said:
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About a singular missed practice and a middle finger pic from two years ago but please carry on. Let the Harvey bashing continue....


No need to be condescending. Again, you minimize things about Harvey but I didn't even bring any of that up. People are going to discuss what Harvey does when he's a FA because that's what people do...discuss their bigtime players and the future.

Regardless of what you think, it is relevant and I don't think it's necessary to bash people for wanting to discuss the long term plans for their biggest star. It's okay to have differing points of view.
Is there anything relevant about him only being able to pitch 1 time  
Eric on Li : 10/10/2015 8:06 pm : link
this series? Or how they might have had home-field? Or that he and his agent created a drama that consumed the team and would not have existed otherwise? I mean, I completely agree that it's not worth worrying about (or even speculating on) his free agency status 3 seasons away, but he has been a lightning rod of attention in a negative way heading into this post season. It has almost all been self-inflicted on his part and his actions that have influenced this team (and continue to influence this team's strategy) should be 100% open to discussion IMO. Especially when his agent is out there talking to the media dredging the whole thing up again. Maybe Scott should address the fact that he completely misquoted Dr. Andrews in his initial public tantrum?
I really don't think anyone is "worrying" about it. Just fodder for  
PhiPsi125 : 10/10/2015 8:14 pm : link
discussion to pass the time. And, yes, obviously extremely relevant.

Also, some of the Harvey supporters are truly minimizing what has lead us to these Harvey discussions. He's created this with not just a couple of things, but a string of things. Harvey wouldn't be taking the heat he has if it was just a missed meeting or a middle-finger picture. That doesn't make any sense. All of the other stud pitchers have seemed to keep a low profile. And it has nothing to do with the fact that he grew up a Yankee fan. I'm sure half the kids in that clubhouse grew up Yankee fans. Harvey and his buffoon of an agent have both contributed to his current reputation.
Phi all good man  
ZGiants98 : 10/10/2015 8:51 pm : link
Eric. Most of what your talking about has nothing to do with Harvey. Every pitcher on earth was always going to have some sort of restrictions as a 25/26 year old never having even completed a full season yet. We all knew it heading in. Acting like this is Harvey's fault when he's pitching past his innings limit and against his agents wishes is moronic IMO. Harvey isn't creating drama because he blew out a ligament. But people sure act like he is though.

But we got a game to watch. This harvey stuff is sickening at this point. Lets enjoy the game.
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