NFT: Mets at Dodgers Game 1!

Good Guys.

I'll need a coffee IV drip to make it to the end but I'll try.

I'm just happy I'm not overseas, having to watch the games starting at 1am.

Let's Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

Kershaw is a beast, but maybe they can scrape out an early run or two...

Mets are going to stomp them out!!!

have patient at bats and have to be picky. He's going to obviously throw strikes but MUST not be overly aggressive and help him keep his count low. The whole key is getting these guys out of the game. In other words we have to hit the exact opposite way we did in the 6 games leading up to the end of the year.

Go Mets.

In comment 12537252 SethFromAstoria said:

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In other words we have to hit the exact opposite way we did in the 6 games leading up to the end of the year.

I know the weather messed with things but those last few games make me nervous about the bats vs Kershaw.

Agree they need to be patient. Hopefully (99% chance it doesn't happen) Kershaw has trouble locating his pitches early and makes a few mistakes

that he is hyped up and pitches like he does in the playoffs. Save a good playoff performance for some other team, some other year.

the most amped up we've ever seen deGrom was in the all-star game and he did pretty damn well with all that adrenaline I'd say.

Come out , the energy he's gotta be feeling....

Eff yeaaaa LGM!!

10 years in the making!

In comment 12537252 SethFromAstoria said:

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have patient at bats and have to be picky. He's going to obviously throw strikes but MUST not be overly aggressive and help him keep his count low. The whole key is getting these guys out of the game. In other words we have to hit the exact opposite way we did in the 6 games leading up to the end of the year.

I kind of like it when going against great pitchers that teams try an jump on them early before they have a chance to settle in.

earlier and Mike asked about being patient and trying to get Kershaw and Grienke out of the game. He had not even finished the question when Keith went nuts saying "NO NO NO" these guys don't "walk anybody". He said you go up there looking to jump a fastball and attack. Taking pitches is a way for these guys to get ahead of you and then you are dead meat.

That's Keith's take anyway.

knows a little bit more about hitting than me. The problem though is if you start hacking away, they also have the stuff to not let you make good contact even if you make any contact. So then we're hacking away early in counts and helping them keep their counts low enough to go deep in the game. We've even seen it against average pitchers.

Either way, what do I know? Just seemed to make sense to me. Just win.

In comment 12537335 Rob in Rockaway said:

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earlier and Mike asked about being patient and trying to get Kershaw and Grienke out of the game. He had not even finished the question when Keith went nuts saying "NO NO NO" these guys don't "walk anybody". He said you go up there looking to jump a fastball and attack. Taking pitches is a way for these guys to get ahead of you and then you are dead meat. That's Keith's take anyway.

Probably a valid one. But guys like Granderson have a knack for fighting off good pitches and working a walk anyway. However, players that aren't good at fighting back in an atbat probably do need to be aggressive.

And lightning struck my apt building and knocked out power for about 2 hours.

Power has since been restored!

LGM!

can't wait for game time.

is it
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New York
‏@Mets
Lucas Duda is breaking things. During BP he hit a HR off this sign in RF, it broke the "R" off of it. Seriously!
Duddddddda - ( New Window )

We need the Hulking Duda this week!

DUDA SMASH!!

That is all!!!

should be a rating bonanza for TBS

Chills!

is stuck with Toronto-Texas, Kansas City-Houston

He should teach these kids what it's like to win the big one for NY

#LGM

Grandy smacked that!

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to see Wright in the postseason again.

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Kershaw can't last too long in this California heat!

what an AB

not sharp. Make this fuck work.

Way to battle.

wright

a huge strike zone.

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we made him work hard in the first.

need to start putting some wood on the ball

Lets get that pitch count up

Hope we can break through buy way to make him work that inning.

Jacob...you're up!

First and foremost, LGM!

Secondly, I would've liked us to have done a little more there, but we made him work. That bullshit 2nd strike on Murphy was annoying and hopefully that's not a sign of things to come. Kershaw is already the best pitcher in baseball, he doesn't need gift calls.

Great at bat by the Cap.

ACE

kept his eye on the ball when he violently swings?

Reckless abandon lol.

Let's go.

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97
97
97
98

get one

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this is big boy business.

go Mets!

playoff baseball.

Top o' the 2nd

fucking good

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k's gonzalez

I can tell already my stomach will be hurting in the morning.

that's how you start your playoff career

threw a lot pitches.

A very good sign.

sweet

Looked like any of us would've looked out there. Tremendously over matched.

is filthy. It seems like he just took it to another level in the second half of the season.

this is going to be a tough game and deGrom needs to match him price for pitch which I think he's capable of.

pitch for pitch

cuddy.

Conforto wouldve caught it

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is such a terrible outfielder

cuddy

Because he's a lefty? SMH

anytime you wanna pay us back for that first round pick, mike. thanks.

looked better in that joke of an at bat than that play.

Chump.

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Because Kershaw is a southpaw

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In comment 12537632 Giants4246 said: Quote: . Because Kershaw is a southpaw

Then play Lagares

Is the most nervous guy on the field.

Owes the Mets big hit tonight

He's prone to strike out big time.

Save Kershaw for the next inning

for thinking he should start. Hopefully Collins felt the same way. It wouldn't shock me to see Cuddyer have a few good ABs this series, but trotting him out in LF may be asking for trouble.

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He's prone to strike out big time. Save Kershaw for the next inning

I'm okay with that. It's early and we don't want a momentum shifting HR in that spot. Start with a clean slate next inning instead of risking being down 2-0 to clayton

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In comment 12537632 Giants4246 said: Quote: . Because Kershaw is a southpaw

Cuddyer sucks

for deGrom. He won't go 6 innings at this rate.

but how do you argue with 6 k's in two innings.

6 k's


needs to start hitting some bats and getting quick outs

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needs to get some cheapie outs next inning to save that pitch count.

6 strikeouts through 2.

is amped. His pitch count is getting high, needs to stop k'ing guys and get some quick outs.

Against a stud #1?

I'm walking Joc there every single time.

Yankees fan here, but pulling hard for the mets. Good luck.

Brutal play on that ball by Cuddyer, but a nice bailout by deGrom.

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seth did you go to deGrom garden gnome day or just pull the image? I was tempted to go to this game because this is awesome.

also gone to 3 ball counts a number of times. He's way too amped.

Good news

That TBS doesn't have pitch-counter on the default in-game scoreboard

In comment 12537655 bigbluehoya said:

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That TBS doesn't have pitch-counter on the default in-game scoreboard

It's on the pitch locator thing

is brutal already

The ump was sitting on the other side of the plate. How is that helpful to be accurate?

In comment 12537656 JayBinQueens said:

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In comment 12537655 bigbluehoya said: Quote: That TBS doesn't have pitch-counter on the default in-game scoreboard It's on the pitch locator thing

Thx. I'm not a big fan of that thing as a permanent fixture

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In comment 12537646 SethFromAstoria said: Quote: seth did you go to deGrom garden gnome day or just pull the image? I was tempted to go to this game because this is awesome.

just a picture i saw online once. The angle is what makes it.

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Granted, I'm a Dodgers fan but I would protest that stupid piece of equipment.

Protect the plate and hit the ball.

Come on man lay off that shit

kershaw isn't going to last long either

we need ces to figure it out before this is over, though

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Granted, I'm a Dodgers fan but I would protest that stupid piece of equipment.

Protest an arm band? For what fucking reason?

In comment 12537662 TheOtherManning said:

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Granted, I'm a Dodgers fan but I would protest that stupid piece of equipment.

Yeah well, I'd protest Turners stupid beard, lol.

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In comment 12537662 TheOtherManning said: Quote: Granted, I'm a Dodgers fan but I would protest that stupid piece of equipment. Yeah well, I'd protest Turner for being a ginger.

fixed

down there in the Ravine..

it will go down to the pens

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In comment 12537662 TheOtherManning said: Quote: Granted, I'm a Dodgers fan but I would protest that stupid piece of equipment. Protest an arm band? For what fucking reason?

Because it is both unnecessary and a ridiculous color? What use does that thing serve other than as a distraction?

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In comment 12537662 TheOtherManning said: Quote: Granted, I'm a Dodgers fan but I would protest that stupid piece of equipment. Yeah well, I'd protest Turners stupid beard, lol.

LOL I was just thinking that. Waaaah...degroms hair is too long, it's distracting! David Wright has a bright orange undershirt...no fair!

Kershaw is tough but these guys are swinging at balls a foot out of the strikezone. Really bad ABs by Cespedes, Cuddyer and Tejada

Uribe is around the clubhouse to keep everyone loose

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Kershaw is tough but these guys are swinging at balls a foot out of the strikezone. Really bad ABs by Cespedes, Cuddyer and Tejada

Cuddyer blows.

Cuddyer? stop napping

In comment 12537672 TheOtherManning said:

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In comment 12537667 Giants4246 said: Quote: In comment 12537662 TheOtherManning said: Quote: Granted, I'm a Dodgers fan but I would protest that stupid piece of equipment. Protest an arm band? For what fucking reason? Because it is both unnecessary and a ridiculous color? What use does that thing serve other than as a distraction?

You can't just watch the fucking game without complaining?

Cuddyer out, he's goign to cost them the game

its time to bring in Lagares

take Cuddyer out the fucking game

Cuddyer

In comment 12537680 Giants4246 said:

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In comment 12537672 TheOtherManning said: Quote: In comment 12537667 Giants4246 said: Quote: In comment 12537662 TheOtherManning said: Quote: Granted, I'm a Dodgers fan but I would protest that stupid piece of equipment. Protest an arm band? For what fucking reason? Because it is both unnecessary and a ridiculous color? What use does that thing serve other than as a distraction? You can't just watch the fucking game without complaining?

If complaining was outlawed, this thread would have zero replies.

we wont be seeing cuddyer the rest of the series

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Cuddyer out, he's goign to cost them the game

he looks like todd hundley out there.

TC outsmarted himself with this move. Tried to get the veteran righty against kershaw but it's just been a rough start for Cuddy

crap like that raises his pitch count

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Terry overthinking this by putting Cuddyer in there.

you cannot let him back out in the field next inning

like how the scouting reports were for Conforto's defensive abilities.

That's twice he's extended the inning for deGrom.

pitch

Nasty as fuck

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we wont be seeing cuddyer the rest of the series

With TC, I wouldn't be so sure lol

next inning with the pitches.

Need Jake to pitch thru 6

That inning alone because of old man cuddyer.

needs to stop being cute, his stuff is good enough to get swings and misses in the zone.

It's not TCs fault for starting him. However if he starts the next inning he is an asshole😊

and Cuddyer belongs on the bench as ace pinch hitter

Cuddyer was distracted by Cespedes armband in center.

Probably should have gone with Legares. Let Cuddyer start at Citi, where he is familiar with the field. But lets see how Cuddyer does in his next AB.

I have a bad feeling this game will be decided by each team's respective bullpens. Which are both average at best.

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It's not TCs fault for starting him. However if he starts the next inning he is an asshole😊

Whose fault is it?

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1-0!

FUCK YEAH!

of all people breaks it open!

!!!!!!!

!!!!

YESSSS!!!!!!!!

FUCKING.

MURPHY.

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Pronto

Give him a ten year extension!!

Murphhhhhhhhh wooooo

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Cuddyer was distracted by Cespedes armband in center.

LOL

looking at the lineup pre-game, how awful it was to have Murphy batting cleanup.

LOL

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

theres your run degrom!!

Murphy!

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Kersh pipes too many fastballs early in the count. Probably his biggest weakness. That said, you Mets fans still so eager to run off Daniel Murphy? Dude can seriously hit.

thru 4 IP

but this TBS production has been pretty crappy for a playoff game. That HR graphic they just showed and this pitch locator has been shaky.

Let's go Jacob. Your turn.

Not a Mets fan but hate the Dodgers.

In comment 12537724 TheOtherManning said:

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Kersh pipes too many fastballs early in the count. Probably his biggest weakness. That said, you Mets fans still so eager to run off Daniel Murphy? Dude can seriously hit.

"You mets fans" = a few mets fans

for a sec.

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Not a Mets fan but hate the Dodgers.

Awesome. Increases my Dodger fandom even more.

I am one of those that wants to not resign Murphy. It's because of the stupid plays he makes. I guess I should rethink that.

Called strike was low. And he just got under one.

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but this TBS production has been pretty crappy for a playoff game. That HR graphic they just showed and this pitch locator has been shaky. Let's go Jacob. Your turn.

TBS coverage is terrible. Who cares about watching a base hit from the Goodyear blimp. And that pitch locator graphic is as terrible as the homeplate ump

Cuddy is still out there?

Hate that ginger troll

Would be a bitch in this series.

to Terry?

In comment 12537729 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 12537724 TheOtherManning said: Quote: Kersh pipes too many fastballs early in the count. Probably his biggest weakness. That said, you Mets fans still so eager to run off Daniel Murphy? Dude can seriously hit. "You mets fans" = a few mets fans

More than a few in my experience. Lots of people dislike him for his lousy fielding and bone-headed baserunning. But the fact is he's unquestionably a top-5 offensive 2B in the league. Small chance Herrera replaces that.

was smush pies on his teammates during interviews

is Cespedes's spirit animal, thus the armband.

Ugh

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glad you didn't completely forget how to do that

but two outs and now kershaw

in the worst way

Pederson is such a goddamn frustrating player.

fly to Cuddyer?

I know I did, lol

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fly to Cuddyer? I know I did, lol

Pretty sure every met fan everywhere

jake's only at 68 pitches. Kershaw is at 65. Not much much difference

u think the mets will be down u don't let degrom go past 100 pitches?

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to Terry?

Sam ryan

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fly to Cuddyer? I know I did, lol

Looked scary for a second

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u think the mets will be down u don't let degrom go past 100 pitches?

I hope so. This is the major leagues. He he still has it, let him pitch. Can't keep babying them in the playoffs.

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In comment 12537748 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: fly to Cuddyer? I know I did, lol Looked scary for a second

speaking of clinched ass cheeks...geeeeezus

what wasnt going to LF

whoa

looks like a beer leaguer playing the OF

Really really needs to gets a quick 5th. I would personally push him to around 110-15 pitches.

But it's sad that the best swing by a Dodger was by the pitcher.

walking to the dugout.

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u think the mets will be down u don't let degrom go past 100 pitches?

I would. I'd let him go 120 if he still has his stuff. This is the playoffs and you're going against the league's best. If they're worried about the pitches Thor can always pitch Gm 5 on normal rest.

in this lineup.

there goes that "statcast" straight out of MS-Paint.

Let's make Kershaw work some more this inning.

against lefties

max for degrom. He needs to go 6 at least.

Give it a poke!!

next inning degrom will face the lineup the 3rd time. We will see how it goes

Not sure why Kershaw tried to paint the corners against DeGrom.

be blinding for Kershaw.

PROTEST!!

facing lineup 3rd time, so should get better swings.

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has looked pretty comfortable up there against Kershaw (relatively speaking). Needed that to get his pitch count up.

Granderson has really had Kershaw's number this game.

i forgot how intense the postseason is from pitch to pitch.

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be blinding for Kershaw. PROTEST!!

Well done. My eyes just rolled out of my head.

go Degrom!

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i forgot how intense the postseason is from pitch to pitch.

nine years will do that, but I completely agree. it's even more intense when you have a pitching duel like this.

Gonna need to do the dirty work against the BP

Need another 0 from Jacob. A quick one hopefully.

he's feeling it

owns Crawford

You are the worst Carl Crawford.

about 3 pitch out

According to it, the pitch that struck out Crawford should've been a waist high, but in the replay, it was chest high.

Not to keep harping on the coverage, but this is playoff baseball. We could've had a better product from SNY

was actually a good player at one point

larry king to the right of the backstop in the black hat?

need 1 more inning at least

way to settle down, Jake!

I fucking love degrom!

dominant inning. Usually facing the lineup 3rd time around can be trouble for most pitchers.

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larry king to the right of the backstop in the black hat?

yup

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In comment 12537791 JayBinQueens said:

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larry king to the right of the backstop in the black hat?

I thought the same.

DeGrom says I got this..

love this man. From the dominating stuff right down to the cold as ice demeanor. Grow that legend Jake

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According to it, the pitch that struck out Crawford should've been a waist high, but in the replay, it was chest high. Not to keep harping on the coverage, but this is playoff baseball. We could've had a better product from SNY

I agree that tbs pitch thing ruins it, it's actually inaccurate and messing up perception.

No idea why Crawford is leading off. He's terrible. I'd put Kendrick there.

just missed it

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5 pitch inning for Kershaw

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I feel really good with Clippard against all these lefties and Familia in the 9th.

Need to keep matching zeros and hope for the best in the dreaded seventh inning.

Ever take a 1st pitch?

quick inning for kershaw, with so many k's he can afford one.

May need deGrom to go 7

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Ever take a 1st pitch?

A lot of guys are doing that in this game. Kershaw throws so many quality strikes that you have to take your chances.

WHa? How? Who?

caught a huge break. thank you baseball gods

that was close. Whew!

get one more inning from Jake

what a beast

love the quick innings

has been deGrominated tonight. He's completely confounded by Jake and he's not getting any help from the ump lol

Gotta let Jacob go 7. It is the playoffs

Gotta get to the 8th. Let's get some insurance here.

Go get it kid.

lets go bats!

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WHa? How? Who?

By swinging at the first pitch when a long inning could knock him out after 6 or 7. Now Kershaw may go 8.

wasted another Kershaw pitch

Lagares PH for defense here

not GIDP

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hit please

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Mighty Mouse

in the 7th for degrom. But should get reed ready just in case.

Tejada. make this his last

thinks degrom should pitch 7th with BP ready. My thinking too

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Tejada. make this his last

yup, already a plus at bat. Taking Kershaw deep will help with them thinking of using him on short rest.

and Tejada just walked. great at bat.

Working out that walk

jake, get yourself some insurance

sorry, super excited

but that's mlb protocol with pitchers batting

he almost reached there

bt a Mets P

I love deGrom. What a stud.

knock 'em in Curtis

but it's still kershaw and hopefully grandy facing kershaw for the 4th time will help.

Get it done now

can literally steal home with the 3rd baseman far away

no Kershaw in the 8th

is locked in. Great at bats all night long

Is tiring

go CAP!

come onnnnnnn DW........

the Kersh is out

Kershaw is a beast. So good.

He was looking for a call instead of challenging the hitter. Kershaw was tiring didn't protest when taken out.

since 2006.

get a lot of monkeys off his back with a base hit here

and potentially the series

Its your turn now

please!!

for MVP!!

let's gooooooooooooooooooooooo

3-0

MY CAPTAIN!

FUCK YEA!!!!!!!!!!!

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3-0 metsies!

!!!!!!!!!!

!

That was YUGE

DW!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

Clear those bases!

of the biggest hits in his career for DW

$20 MILLION DOLLAR MAN COMING UP HUUUUUUUGE

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$20 MILLION DOLLAR MAN COMING UP HUUUUUUUGE

LOL!

CAPPPPPPPPPP

now let's take cuddyer out. juan at cf, ces to left.

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Actually was a good move by mattingly, usually for most pitchers, facing the lineup 4th time usually leads to bad results.

Swinging at shit

:)

Anthony DiComo ‏@AnthonyDiComo 44s44 seconds ago
Michael Cuddyer is out of the game. Cespedes to left field. Juan Lagares to center. The all-defense team has arrived with a 3-0 lead. #Mets

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:)

Lol, my little guy woke up and came downstairs right before the Murphy HR. He fell asleep on the couch soon after that but I'm not taking him back to bed until the game is over. My little lucky charm!

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last batter I imagine regardless of result.

kudos. What a pitching performance

deGrominant!

I like the way that sounds.

Way to go kid!

Even without best control battled through 7 strong innings

That's how you show why you're the ace of one of the best pitching staff in baseball and why you belong in the conversation of top pitcher in the game.

Amazing.

Better win this game. Hard to let degrom throw that many pitches and not bring him back after short rest if mets were down.

DeGrom. Man oh man.

balls of steel performance.

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What a great job!

was simply unreal. Outpitched and outlasted Kershaw in kershaws own stadium. Need to the pen to finish the job.

and Reed backs up

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Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell 3m3 minutes ago

This season, Clayton Kershaw is getting paid more than 53 TIMES what the Mets are paying Jacob deGrom ($30M vs $556,875)

I just fell in love degrom

Epic performance

Great game so far.

Makes me nervous with Clippard. He's not friendly to a pitcher like Clippard.

Why the fuck do you need to make this difficult

Clip and Reed shouldve switched roles

I have no confidence in this guy

Jesus Clip!

getting more than 3 outs.

about clip with the double switch and bringing in familia.

and by things, I include myself.

Quick out. Would love to get another run here and create some more breathing room.

Clippard back to seventh inning

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Was fantastic tonight but bringing him back on short rest would be hard

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Was fantastic tonight but bringing him back on short rest would be hard

agreed.

it's hindsight but the way both pitchers were k'ing ppl, would have it made more sense to start flo instead of tejada?

Alright let's go Jeurys. Close this shit out

Murph!

Baby.

One more...

man of the match

c'monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

they will steal a game versus kershaw

lets go!

OVAH!

This is going to be gut wrenching series

Fucking YUGE

What a fucking performance from degrom

Familia making it look easy!

and a big sexy Latin.

Love these bastads.

What a game for our beloved Jake. Amazing.

lets smack Greinke tomorrow and clinch at home with Harvey

Familia! Let's go Mets!

Degrom 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

was absolutely fantastic especially when he had to be. Big HR by Murph to get things started and a huge base knock by DW to make it a seemimgly insurmountable lead. Great job by Familia to shut the door and now it's time for Thor to come thundering off that mound. Get greedy and take game 2 boys!

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but Familia is actually damn great.

DeGrom though...holy shit man. Guy is completely cool, calm and collected like its easy. Such a good feeling to take that game.

And of course Captain Fantastic.

For the Met/Ranger fans....not a bad night eh?!?

we won a playoff game.

WE WON A PLAYOFF GAME.

Now we can move on from Beltran staring at that Wainwright curveball.

deGrom was unreal and Captain America with another clutch hit

HUGE 1-0 lead

Let's Go Mets!!!!

Familia and Degrom were after thoughts entering last season. Think about that.

Conforto needs to be starting every day in left from this point forward. Big game for Thor tomorrow. Obviously it's a must win for LA, hopefully Noah took notes on what worked tonight and what didn't (anything in Cuddyers direction).

about degrom, IF the mets are down, and you bring back degrom on short rest, it will be hard to let degrom go 7 innings.

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it's hindsight but the way both pitchers were k'ing ppl, would have it made more sense to start flo instead of tejada?

No because Collins entire rational for Tejada was that he had great numbers against Kershaw. Defense had nothing to do with it. I disagree with that logic but I will say that huge atbat in the 7th was one of the keys to this win.

Looked Kershaw right in the fucking eye and said "Follow this."

but I think it was just a particularly awful night for Cuddyer. Would not be surprised in the least to see them go back to him tomorrow. And wouldn't be overly shocked if he had a big hit or two.

And somehow he wasn't even the worst OF tonight.

Cuddyer's defense in what just might be another close game with Greinke vs Thor.

Afterthoughts. They were high upside arm prospects of which we had a ton of. I think at one point we had 20 arms or so throwing 95-100 mph in our system. You could pretty much guarantee one or two were going to work out and it's a sound way to go about building a system actually.

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but I think it was just a particularly awful night for Cuddyer. Would not be surprised in the least to see them go back to him tomorrow. And wouldn't be overly shocked if he had a big hit or two. And somehow he wasn't even the worst OF tonight.

It's already confirmed Conforto is starting tomorrow. Cuddyer will absolutely get other chances in this postseason however.

if he really was ever bad this year in the field. Obviously those two misplays were ugly and if not for the domination of Jake, could have been a disaster. But was he bad otherwise this year? Don't think he was.

Props have to go to Grandy as well. Guy was excellent tonight again and has a superb season. Most consistent player on the team and a bounce back to silence the "We shouldn't have signed him" crowd.

In comment 12537989 SethFromAstoria said:

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if he really was ever bad this year in the field. Obviously those two misplays were ugly and if not for the domination of Jake, could have been a disaster. But was he bad otherwise this year? Don't think he was. Props have to go to Grandy as well. Guy was excellent tonight again and has a superb season. Most consistent player on the team and a bounce back to silence the "We shouldn't have signed him" crowd.

People fly off the handle real easy here. Cuddyer maybe made one or two gaffes over the whole season. I can remember two funny throwing errors. He's hardly a huge liability.

Wow where did you hear that? I like it. Dude is a wild card who could do damage.

In comment 12537990 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12537989 SethFromAstoria said: Quote: if he really was ever bad this year in the field. Obviously those two misplays were ugly and if not for the domination of Jake, could have been a disaster. But was he bad otherwise this year? Don't think he was. Props have to go to Grandy as well. Guy was excellent tonight again and has a superb season. Most consistent player on the team and a bounce back to silence the "We shouldn't have signed him" crowd. Well thanks for your opinion but Cuddyer is better People fly off the handle real easy here. Cuddyer maybe made one or two gaffes over the whole season. I can remember two funny throwing errors. He's hardly a huge liability.

Conforto from the beginning. I feel like he gives the team the best chance to win.

And what Cuddyer did defensively in the past is kind of irrelevant, he very easily could have cost the team the game tonight looking like he'd never played OF in his life.

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Wow where did you hear that? I like it. Dude is a wild card who could do damage.

Collins was asked about it prior to the game and said Conforto would get the start against the righty tomorrow. I also think the idea the entire time was to platoon them in the postseason so it's really not a big surprise.

games where he's just bad in every aspect, but we won the game. If they play him again I won't flip out. One of Yoenis, D'Arnaud or Cuddyer could easily have a bounce back game. With a win, no need to panic.

Two balls in a foreign park that he isn't used to. One bounced out of his glove and the other fooled the entire park including the batter. Yes they were bad but every player has a bad day defensively once in a while.

But Cespedes has looked awful. On the flip side we are proving we can win without him. He's virtually been an automatic out though. Hope he picks it up tomorrow.

out, just probably wouldn't play him unless conforto looks lost.

Familia is a beast. I was concerned with the bullpen, specifically the 7th/8th inning, so I hope Clippard was just a blip tonight and they don't need Familia to pitch more than an inning too often.

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What it felt like to watch your team win in the post season. Its glorious. Havent felt like this since 2011.

How about David Wright. For all the BS about how he isnt clutch, this should shut em up. Keep it up captain. I couldnt be happier for somebody.


Degrom, enough said. But ill expand anyway. Outpitched Kershaw in LA when Kershaw was very good. Not an easy task. We got ourselves one.

And as much as some people love to Hate Murph, he is a solid baseball player. He is at his best when it matters most. I hope we re-sign him. You dont find guys like him as easily as people think. Ill take the mistakes as long as he keeps coming up big in the clutch. He crushed that ball.

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In regular season, Kershaw has allowed only eight HRs to LH hitters in 483 at bats since start of '13. Postseason: 3 in last 3 starts

deGrom was fabulous.
Cuddyer to play against a righty? No freakin' way! By the way those two gift doubles that Conforto would have caught really jacked up deGrom's pitch count.

is in one of those Super Slumps where not only are you not getting hits, you look so bad it appears like you're not trying.

He did almost hit a wallscraper though.

I am SO impressed and proud of these hitters and the way they battled Kershaw especially in the 7th. We've seen what our hitters are like when they are slumping and they are flailing away at everything. Not tonight. Great atbat after great atbat, fouling off good pitches and not swinging at anything outside of the zone with a questionable stikezone to boot. Wright got the hit but it would have never happened without Duda,Tejada, and Granderson. Great bunt by deGrom too.

In comment 12537997 ZGiants98 said:

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But Cespedes has looked awful. On the flip side we are proving we can win without him. He's virtually been an automatic out though. Hope he picks it up tomorrow.

He did miss a HR by six feet. But he had some poor at bats. He isnt great against lefties. Coincidence that his performance subsided around the time Uribe went down?

Great analysis. Says Degrom is going to get better. Awesome when he was laughing at the Dodgers on the replay.

this performance and outduels Greinke the earth might shake. The world is finally getting a taste of what we've been so excited for.

on Kershaw's breaking balls is the most amazing I've seen I think. The velocity and sudden snap of those pitches is just nuts and seems literally impossible to hit.

In comment 12538011 ZGiants98 said:

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this performance and outduels Greinke the earth might shake. The world is finally getting a taste of what we've been so excited for.

He doesnt even need to outduel him. Just ieep it close, go 7 and get into that Dodger bullpen. ill be happy with a chance to win the game in the later innings. Because we go home 1-1 at worst.

In comment 12538013 SethFromAstoria said:

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on Kershaw's breaking balls is the most amazing I've seen I think. The velocity and sudden snap of those pitches is just nuts and seems literally impossible to hit.

When I see it live I am yelling at them to lay off those. Then when they slow it down you see how nasty it is and how it appears to be a strike most times before dropping out. His motion is so odd also. Must drive batters nuts

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In comment 12538011 ZGiants98 said: Quote: this performance and outduels Greinke the earth might shake. The world is finally getting a taste of what we've been so excited for. He doesnt even need to outduel him. Just ieep it close, go 7 and get into that Dodger bullpen. ill be happy with a chance to win the game in the later innings. Because we go home 1-1 at worst.

Yeah I wasn't saying what we needed to do to win. I was saying what a performance like that would do for his perception. Im pretty sure the whole world just witnessed deGrom out dominate Kershaw. Would be crazy if Syndergaard did it to Greinke too.

In comment 12538013 SethFromAstoria said:

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on Kershaw's breaking balls is the most amazing I've seen I think. The velocity and sudden snap of those pitches is just nuts and seems literally impossible to hit.

+1

Having a professional like Granderson on this club is a tremendous asset. You get a QAB every time no matter the circumstances.

Wright is The Captain. Fiery barking at the ump over his ridiculous zone yet cool and clutch under pressure.

The umps strike zone tonight was a joke but at least he called a consistently shitty game for both clubs.

As expected Murphy is the X Factor. A clutch HR and of all things unpredicted a pick it play defensive gem at 1st base. You never know what this pea brain will do day to day but he was worth his weight in gold tonight.

As for the Dodgers Mattingly 'spit the bit' tonight not Kershaw. When you have the 'best pitcher in baseball' battling with a reasonable pitch count you let him sink or swim on his stuff and his nerve. Don't tell me Kershaw's past difficulties in the post season wasn't a factor either. It was clearly in his managers mind or he would have pitched to Wright who he had handled well after the early walk.

It was a bad decision to start Cuddyer over Conforto. Why? You can expect a low scoring contest with this pitching matchup where defense will be at a premium. Cuddyer is a JAG fielder while Conforto has been stellar on D since he came up. Second reason...Cuddyer has been a lousy hitter for most of this season and hasn't had a pulse at the plate in months. Lefty rigthy matchup be damned this is the kind of decion where you throw 'the book' out the window. Tejada I could at least argue for as he's a better glove than Flores but not Cuddyer. DeGrom did an incredible job when Cuddyer choked and put his pitcher under unnecessary pressure.

We can put a hammer lock on this series if Noah and our club can capitalize on the opportunity they've given themselves in game 2. Let's Go Mets!!!

even more pressure is on the Dodgers. They are in an absolute must win now tomorrow. Meanwhile Thor can come out free and easy.

Kershaw in part because if the Dodgers lost game1 and he needs to bring Kershaw back for game 4 he didn't think he could if he left him in for more pitches.

TC already pretty much said because of the workload deGrom isn't coming back game 4 if needed.

no clue if that makes sense or not, but that's apparently some people's rationale.

a lot too. He hadn't pitched much in a week or two and he needed it IMO. The guy was clearly tiring in September. A nice long week off and his stuff was electric tonight again. He threw it 99 at one point.

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2 for 3 with a walk and the one out was a rope in the first atbat. Locked in.

Mattingly blinked.

to pitch a game 4 if we don't sweep the shit out of this team? He's a lefty phenom who's as good as the rest of em.

Game 4 at this point. I see us splitting the next two at least, especially with the huge mismatch in game 3 and if we are up in the series, Matz will go.

In comment 12538016 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12538014 NJGiantFan84 said: Quote: In comment 12538011 ZGiants98 said: Quote: this performance and outduels Greinke the earth might shake. The world is finally getting a taste of what we've been so excited for. He doesnt even need to outduel him. Just ieep it close, go 7 and get into that Dodger bullpen. ill be happy with a chance to win the game in the later innings. Because we go home 1-1 at worst. Yeah I wasn't saying what we needed to do to win. I was saying what a performance like that would do for his perception. Im pretty sure the whole world just witnessed deGrom out dominate Kershaw. Would be crazy if Syndergaard did it to Greinke too.

I see it now. My excitement has made my reading comprehension drop!! Sorry.

He had 1st base open and wasn't going to give in. Ultimately we'll never know if Kershaw would have gotten out of the jam because his manager didn't trust his 3 time Cy Young Winner to carry his own water.

...eliminated the possibility of a game 4 return win or lose. Matz is going to get the ball.

and Wright had already had a few good abats on him earlier. Flip a coin, that could of gone either way. Don't think it was a really bad call. Not after three walks and 120 pitches.

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In comment 12538032 Torrag said:

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...eliminated the possibility of a game 4 return win or lose. Matz is going to get the ball.

IF there's a game 4

Seagar thought the ball was foul and the wind blew it back in. Cespedes hit a shot that the wind just knocked down. I thought for sure it was a HR when it came off the bat. Most nights it probably is.

That said, Conforto starts tomorrow agst the righty and Mets are not coming back to LA so Cuddyer is a moot issue.

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In comment 12538036 Vanzetti said:

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Seagar thought the ball was foul and the wind blew it back in. Cespedes hit a shot that the wind just knocked down. I thought for sure it was a HR when it came off the bat. Most nights it probably is. That said, Conforto starts tomorrow agst the righty and Mets are not coming back to LA so Cuddyer is a moot issue.

Agreed.

Kershaw got several ridiculous strike calls that were a factor though. You rarely see The Captain get on the plate umpire but he groused pretty hard tonight.

If Kershaw is who his stats and accolades indicate I don't think you can pull him there.

We all hope there isn't.

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Seagar thought the ball was foul and the wind blew it back in. Cespedes hit a shot that the wind just knocked down. I thought for sure it was a HR when it came off the bat. Most nights it probably is. That said, Conforto starts tomorrow agst the righty and Mets are not coming back to LA so Cuddyer is a moot issue.

I thought so too when it happened then one of the announcers said they aren't seeing any signs of winds out there. Then again, one called deGrom Jason DeGrom right before the broadcast ended so its hard to trust anything they say when they cannot get the pitchers name right after a gem like that.

6 K's through two innings was one. Did he break the most K's overall as well?

You definitely pull him, especially if you are planning to bring him back in game 4 on 3 days rest.

Ball four to Tejada was above his head. When you walk Tejada and you are not even close on ball 4, you are losing it.

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In comment 12538036 Vanzetti said: Quote: Seagar thought the ball was foul and the wind blew it back in. Cespedes hit a shot that the wind just knocked down. I thought for sure it was a HR when it came off the bat. Most nights it probably is. That said, Conforto starts tomorrow agst the righty and Mets are not coming back to LA so Cuddyer is a moot issue. I thought so too when it happened then one of the announcers said they aren't seeing any signs of winds out there. Then again, one called deGrom Jason DeGrom right before the broadcast ended so its hard to trust anything they say when they cannot get the pitchers name right after a gem like that.

Yeah, but Dodgers Stadium is in that ravine perched way atop the city. You can get weird currents. I've only been to the stadium three times, so Im not an expert but that ball by Seagar was definitely blown way back in.

There had to be something with the wind. Cuddy is no defensive stud, but he makes all the plays he should make. It will be interesting to see what he says about it.

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Statcast estimated the exit velocity at 105 mph

I'd be surprised to see either back in game 4 on 3 days rest. But, if the Mets are up, the Dodgers might think they need Kershaw.

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6 K's through two innings was one. Did he break the most K's overall as well?

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The 13 strikeouts tied Tom Seaver for a Mets postseason record and were the most ever in a playoff game at Dodger Stadium. At times, deGrom simply threw his fastball past hitters. Overall, he induced 24 swings-and-misses, tied for the second-most in a postseason game since 2009. Fourteen of those misses were fastballs. The Dodgers simply had trouble catching up to it. It was a brilliant performance.

I guess that puns too obvious and probably used before.

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Who first say deGrom at the All Star game and last night have to be a tad impressed with him I think

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He pitched a good game, but not as good as de Grom.

For removing Cy Young pitcher Kershaw for some stiff named Baez. Pretty bold and In my opinion stupid. I don't care how it looked like Kershaw was on the ropes. He is Kershaw. Nevertheless, Dodgers weren't beating deGromm anyhow.

He definitely stumbled. Admittedly after having pitched a very good game to that point but he did stumble at the and it cost them dearly when Wright made them pay for the mistake.

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For removing Cy Young pitcher Kershaw for some stiff named Baez. Pretty bold and In my opinion stupid. I don't care how it looked like Kershaw was on the ropes. He is Kershaw. Nevertheless, Dodgers weren't beating deGromm anyhow.

Mattingly made the right call. They guy had walked the bases loaded; he was done. Was he really supposed to let him continue at that point? Of course people always second guess either way but can you imagine if he left him in and he either walks in an assurance run or give up the big hit to DW how much he would be second guessed for leaving him in?

watching DeGrom battle Kershaw through 7 felt similar to what transpired earlier in the day, when a very efficient Lackey's pitch count was in sharp contrast to Lester's laboring. Both Lester and deGrom went to so many 3-2 counts, I was going bananas, even when deGrom faced Kershaw. Getting through 7 innings with his pitch count at ~120, no earned runs, on a night when he had good stuff but was not especially sharp was very impressive.

Clippard had that terrific stretch when the Mets closed the gap and built the lead on the Nats. But I don't have confidence in his stuff: he leaves too many pitches up in the zone and there is often not a lot of movement.

Cuddyer, that was an embarrassing performance: he got a late jump on the ball that ticked off his glove and, on the second, broke first toward the line several steps before adjusting and breaking back toward the wall. Question: how the wind keep Yoenis' fly in the park yet Cuddyer is breaking sideways? Watching him in LF keeps spitting up the SA mistakes and leaves a sour taste. Cuddyer looked like an over-the-hill, old man playing LF and his at bats were anemic, of course, that's what Kershaw does.

Home plate ump: that also was an embarrassing performance. Torrag was right, he was equally bad for both teams, especially on balls below the knees...stopping deGrom on a "time" when JdG had already gone into his windup.

it is also possible that we see better and that is a reality

His walks weren't gifts by any stretch, they were very close AB's that were battles back and forth. Tejada and Granderson each fought back with 2 strikes on them and earned those bases. Wright had a few good AB's vs. Kershaw, but none of the righties had made any solid contact off of him and it's not like the guy they brought in was some lights out reliever. Didn't Darling say he had an opponent BA over .300 against the first man he faces? And you bring that guy in to a bases loaded situation vs. letting Kershaw continue? Talk about being jaded from last year.

And re: Cuddyer's defense - nobody remembers him being bad in the field because he only played 39 games there in the 2nd half of the season (66 overall). When he was signed, most reports said he was the worst defensive LF in baseball, aging on bad knees, and he didn't do much this season to disprove that. I could definitely still see him getting big hits in this PS, but after yesterday I'd likely restrict him to pinch hitting or playing 1B. Anything you get from Cuddyer will be an outlier to any statistical accomplishments he had this season. His OPS vs. lefties was .700 and he hasn't hit an HR since August.

agree on the Kershaw at bats his last inning: in particular, I thought Granderson gamed the ump when, twice, consecutive pitches I believe, he jerked back, once raising his arms, as if the pitch was close to hitting him.

Of course, the so-called "center field" camera in this game, as with some others, is very tough to read because it's not a dead center view: pitches that looked like they painted the outside corner to lefties were called consistently outside.

Separately, and NOT affected by the slightly skewed angle from CF--and the graphics showed multiple, multiple balls low and well out of the zone were called strikes by this ump. wtf

I was glad they pulled him also, it's always good to run a great pitcher but you can't fault Mattingly there; it was the right move to make. You can only give a pitcher so much rope and at that point Mattingly couldn't let him continue and risk losing the first game of the series with a pitcher who was well over 100 pitches, had a history of blowing it in a similar situation and had just walked the bases loaded. It didn't work out for him but it was the smarter move to make. A manager just can't let his team go down in flames with a gassed pitcher. That's exactly the situation why you have a bull pen.

In comment 12538292 steve in ky said:

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I was glad they pulled him also, it's always good to run a great pitcher but you can't fault Mattingly there; it was the right move to make. You can only give a pitcher so much rope and at that point Mattingly couldn't let him continue and risk losing the first game of the series with a pitcher who was well over 100 pitches, had a history of blowing it in a similar situation and had just walked the bases loaded. It didn't work out for him but it was the smarter move to make. A manager just can't let his team go down in flames with a gassed pitcher. That's exactly the situation why you have a bull pen.

If a run got scored in the seventh when Wright came up, Mattingly was going to get second-guessed regardless.

and yes, that's why you have a pen, but not all bullpens are equal. Pedro Baez has a near 4 era over the second half of the season, a near 6 era in September, and according to Darling is terrible against the first batter he faces (can't find the stat online anywhere but believe he said opp BA > .300).

If they were bringing in someone even on the level of Clippard or Reed that would be 1 thing, but they basically brought in Hansel Robles. I think Mattingly was looking to not repeat a mistake made last year and made a new mistake.

but as an opposing fan all I can say is that I was happy Kershaw got the hook in the moment and upon researching the decision it seems even worse. Great relievers have a tough enough time in the post season. Mediocre ones usually get very exposed. Baez had a 7.7 ERA in his 2 appearances last year.

Had a nice breakdown of why he was done at that point. Not sure if it is online anywhere but it was much more insightful into Kershaw mechanics and why he was in trouble and missing his pitches than most post game talking head type of stuff. He even went as far as blaming the pitching coach for not spotting it sooner.

is the first 10 plus strikeouts game, for the Mets, since Dwight Gooden had 10, in the 1988 NLDS Game at Dodger Stadium.

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is the first 10 plus strikeouts game, for the Mets, since Dwight Gooden had 10, in the 1988 NLDS Game at Dodger Stadium.

Even more impressive is tying Tom Seaver's post game record of 13 K's.

I love the way this young man rises to the big moments. The great ones usually do.

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Game Score of 79 for deGrom would be fifth best in Mets postseason history. (Matlock 89, Hampton 88, Jones 88, Seaver 80.)

In comment 12538318 steve in ky said:

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Had a nice breakdown of why he was done at that point. Not sure if it is online anywhere but it was much more insightful into Kershaw mechanics and why he was in trouble and missing his pitches than most post game talking head type of stuff. He even went as far as blaming the pitching coach for not spotting it sooner.

Pedro was amazing. I watched that whole postgame show just to hear him.

but I would imagine pitchers mechanics are often changing in game. I saw someone do the same thing showing how Degrom's changed for the better as the game went on getting more on top of the ball (think it was either Pedro or Darling). If it was my call I'd still rather have Kershaw on the hill battling through at bats the way he was at the time than bringing in someone mediocre like Baez for a high leverage situation.

In comment 12538344 Eric on Li said:

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Noah TristerVerified account �@noahtrister 12h12 hours ago Game Score of 79 for deGrom would be fifth best in Mets postseason history. (Matlock 89, Hampton 88, Jones 88, Seaver 80.)

I have some real questions about any metric that doesn't include any of Gooden's games in the Mets top grouping. His 1984 one hitter, which if it weren't but for Ray Knight should have been a no hitter was one of the most dominate pitching performances any Met has ever thrown. Let along a few other gems he had.

Why would you cherry pick out his second half only? We all know he missed time to injury in the second half. All the plays he made in the first half don't count? Cuddyer doesn't have a lot of range obviously. This especially killed him in Coloarado which has one of the most expansive RF's in baseball if you followed his metering. He's always made the plays he could get to and he's had a very strong arm to boot.

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In comment 12538354 steve in ky said:

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In comment 12538344 Eric on Li said: Quote: Noah TristerVerified account �@noahtrister 12h12 hours ago Game Score of 79 for deGrom would be fifth best in Mets postseason history. (Matlock 89, Hampton 88, Jones 88, Seaver 80.) I have some real questions about any metric that doesn't include any of Gooden's games in the Mets top grouping. His 1984 one hitter, which if it weren't but for Ray Knight should have been a no hitter was one of the most dominate pitching performances any Met has ever thrown. Let along a few other gems he had.

Ah I missed the part about post season. Gooden 84 game obviously in season.

It in the 7th. It was the first time the entire game he actually had zero control of some of his pitches. Tejada's pitch was over his head. If my 93 year old grandmother could yell out "he's getting tired" he probably was. Lol

If the Mets didn't want to play Cuddyer, they would have used Lagares.

And he dealt with injuries in both halves. There was no cherry picking other than utilizing the most recent data once the roster was constructed as it is now (with Conforto and Cespedes in the mix).

The point was he didn't play there much all season and he hasn't done much of anything positive down the stretch. In 66 starts in LF he had 3 errors, which is more than every OF other than Granderson who played like 3x the games, and every advanced metric has him negative. He had what should have been 2 errors last night and if JdG doesn't strand those 2 runners and Wright doesn't extend the lead, he's the reason. He's the reason they needed to go to the BP in the 8th because he cost JdG at least 10-15 extra pitches.

I know he wants to look out for his pitcher but I can't help but think at some point he hinders him because teams will know they have to deal with this crap if signing him.

His clients team is in the middle of the playoffs just shut up already!

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In comment 12538376 Eric on Li said:

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And he dealt with injuries in both halves. There was no cherry picking other than utilizing the most recent data once the roster was constructed as it is now (with Conforto and Cespedes in the mix). The point was he didn't play there much all season and he hasn't done much of anything positive down the stretch. In 66 starts in LF he had 3 errors, which is more than every OF other than Granderson who played like 3x the games, and every advanced metric has him negative. He had what should have been 2 errors last night and if JdG doesn't strand those 2 runners and Wright doesn't extend the lead, he's the reason. He's the reason they needed to go to the BP in the 8th because he cost JdG at least 10-15 extra pitches.

OOOhhh. He's the reason. LOL. We all know he fucked up and misjudged two wind moving balls. And he's had more errors than Granderson, Lagares, and Cepedes? That's a barometer? Those three have been incredible. 3 errors over a season will never be considered a lot. Ive watched him all year. He is not a liability. He doesn't have a lot of range but he'll make the play if its in his vicinity.

I think Syndergaard is the perfect pitcher to be going tonight also. The Dodgers have to be reeling after just facing deGrom. Its a do or die game for them. All the pressure is on them in front of their home crowd and the first pitch they are likely to see is a 100 MPH pitch in their ear. I couldn't imagine having to face Syndergaard's stuff after a performance last night from deGrom. The Dodgers should be very afraid.

He is really hurting his client with these type of comments, especially before the first playoff game.

Harvey is hurting his image enough by putting on 20 lbs and missing a morning practice, giving the impression he is out partying. He doesn't need Boras fanning the flames.

The crazy thing with Harvey's weight is its intentional. He's a few times mentioned he didn't like pitching at such a low weight in 2013 and felt it lead to his arm troubles. He purposely gained weight over the last offseason as a way, in his mind, to help his arm and help the team.

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If the Mets didn't want to play Cuddyer, they would have used Lagares.

Big sample size ... 15 PAs.

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The crazy thing with Harvey's weight is its intentional. He's a few times mentioned he didn't like pitching at such a low weight in 2013 and felt it lead to his arm troubles. He purposely gained weight over the last offseason as a way, in his mind, to help his arm and help the team.

It works for Colon.

I find it really easy to separate Harvey from Boras. Yes he hired him and yes he missed a meeting but I put 95% of the focus on Boras when it comes to all this BS related to his arm and his contract. As has always been the case, Boras and the fans of baseball as well as the teams have always and will always view all this contract stuff from completely conflicting viewpoints. Boras is single minded and things like emotional attachment or loyalty don't register in his mind, so players playing in the same uniform for their careers or a player wanting to win/live in a certain city are irrelevant to him. More importantly he projects that onto his clients. The players are assets and money printing machines that should have one singular goal: earn as much damn cash as possible and ignore other factors. There have been many but ARod and Boras whoring him around the league and creating an imaginary market was the ultimate example of Boras and his method. He created a false "personal desire" that ARod wanted to play for the Mets due to some childhood emotional attachment, while also pushing what at the time was the most stupidly high paid long term contract. He used his fancy PowerPoints and notebooks to try and bullsht his way to "added historical value and relevance" for ARod. So not only did he deserve more money than God himself, he also deserved other benefits and perks. Because he was ARod goddamit. And guess what, it worked when he found an old maniac with too much cash and a desire to make his team relevant. Boras didn't care where ARod played but the real way Boras is Boras is that he convinces his client to not care either. It's all about the money. And he does his job well obviously.

If you hire Boras then cash is the focus and likely the only focus. I don't think Harvey feels that way in reality but when you hire an agent who can convince wealthy, business savvy and intelligent men to spend irresponsibly on his clients, then I'd bet it's easy for him to convince players to be business men first and baseball players second. He doesn't care about talking about all this Harvey arm/contract shit in the middle of a playoffs because he doesn't care about the playoff for any other reason than his client using that stage to make more money. All the competition and team oriented stuff is unimportant. All about the cash money

At this point I have to believe if Harvey really wanted Boras to keep quite when it comes to publically commenting about him and his arm Boras would do so.

Harvey is eligible to become a Free Agent after the 2018 season ends. You can want to waste time and energy during the Playiffs in2015 talking about Scott Boras? Fucking weird

It's the playoffs Harvey should make sure his people keep quite. Why take the chance of any distraction? The manager and players should be 100% focused on the game at hand and not be thinking about how they would try and answer a question about Boras's comment if asked. I think it's more weird for a fan to not care at all about any potential distractions right now.

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Harvey is eligible to become a Free Agent after the 2018 season ends. You can want to waste time and energy during the Playiffs in2015 talking about Scott Boras? Fucking weird

So over it. I know Ive played a part in the discussions and we are going to be hearing it all over again on Monday but what a bunch of crap. He's one of our best pitchers/players and we have postseason games to win. When he assaults somebody or gets caught selling crack, please let me know, but all this other back and forth sounds like a bunch of jaded women crying over his "personality". Is this baseball or the damn coffee club? If he wants to leave in 2019, great! I could give two fucks. The whole team will look completely different by then and we'll have already used all his good years.

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At this point I have to believe if Harvey really wanted Boras to keep quite when it comes to publically commenting about him and his arm Boras would do so.

You'd think this....but Alex Rodriguez hired him to get him paid and Boras managed to get ARod an amazing contract that even now is massive but back then was another level. The years and money were so beyond what anyone else had gotten before, but he did it. Yet ARod fired him. And I think it's because as much as the agent works for the player Boras is a different animal. I think his involvement and "power" is on a higher level than other agents. Look at this crap from an article about A-Rod splitting with Boras:

".... Boras Corp., which, in addition to contract negotiations, offers its clients psychological counseling, investment advice and physical training, among other services."

"...after nearly 20 years of listening to Boras' attempts to control everything from his diet to his after-hours conduct, A-Rod has simply tuned him out.

"He's just tired of listening to him," the source said. "He's under a lot of pressure from his new people to get rid of [Boras]."


Sounds like when you work with Boras, he's the boss whether you realize it or not. He's awful for everything fans care about and obviously the best for getting his clients the green

in the conversation because it was brought up but frankly I care about Harvey's one missed practice and his innings nonsense less than not at all. I think it's media gossip and entertainment news. We wasted a few minutes on it but the sports media spends weeks dwelling and obsessing.


Game 2 tonight. Unassuming 6'7" Viking on the mound. Surely the Dodgers have nothing to worry about. He can't possibly throw 99 with 4 plus pitches can he?

no matter how the perception seems, it is the client that has the final say on ALL decisions. The agent can strongly suggest things and try to point the client to come to the decision he would like but it is always the client's decision. No one has every said my Agent made me do this or that, the agent might of advised him/her to take a course of action but the final decision is the client's.

But I think he's a total moron if he turns down an extension this offseason. If there's any silver lining to all the drama this year I think it may be that both sides now realize there would be a lot of benefits to a record setting extension. And by record setting I mean for a player with that many team controlled years left, like the 5/80 deals verlander and King Felix took at similar points away from FA. That may be where Harvey finally has enough of Boras' nonsense because I think a real good argument can be made that Strasburgs waiting strategy won't end up getting the mega deal he previously thought whereas those guys got guaranteed security very quickly and then also capitalized with megadeals later on.

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Harvey is eligible to become a Free Agent after the 2018 season ends. You can want to waste time and energy during the Playiffs in2015 talking about Scott Boras? Fucking weird

Scott Boras made these pronouncements about Harvey last night at Dodgers Stadium. You find it odd that Mets fans are talking about it 18 hours later?

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It in the 7th. It was the first time the entire game he actually had zero control of some of his pitches. Tejada's pitch was over his head. If my 93 year old grandmother could yell out "he's getting tired" he probably was. Lol

Mattingly had a good argument for taking out Kershaw, but he brought the wrong pitcher in the game. The bases were loaded with two out and Baez gets hit hard by the first batter he faces.

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In comment 12538492 Headhunter said: Quote: Harvey is eligible to become a Free Agent after the 2018 season ends. You can want to waste time and energy during the Playiffs in2015 talking about Scott Boras? Fucking weird Scott Boras made these pronouncements about Harvey last night at Dodgers Stadium. You find it odd that Mets fans are talking about it 18 hours later?

LOL, exactly. Fucking weird.

why fans would want to discuss the long term plans for one of the best pitcher on their staff and in the league. Do you really think that it's taking away from our enjoyment of their playoff run? Do you think it's possible to have the ability to discuss two things at once?

But then to constantly feel the need to get up on their soapbox and have this diatribe shaming people because they happen to care about something they don't? We get it...you don't care about what happens with Harvey's long term status. It doesn't mean that other fans shouldn't discuss an extremely relevant team issue. I just don't get it.

About a singular missed practice and a middle finger pic from two years ago but please carry on. Let the Harvey bashing continue....

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About a singular missed practice and a middle finger pic from two years ago but please carry on. Let the Harvey bashing continue....

No need to be condescending. Again, you minimize things about Harvey but I didn't even bring any of that up. People are going to discuss what Harvey does when he's a FA because that's what people do...discuss their bigtime players and the future.

Regardless of what you think, it is relevant and I don't think it's necessary to bash people for wanting to discuss the long term plans for their biggest star. It's okay to have differing points of view.

this series? Or how they might have had home-field? Or that he and his agent created a drama that consumed the team and would not have existed otherwise? I mean, I completely agree that it's not worth worrying about (or even speculating on) his free agency status 3 seasons away, but he has been a lightning rod of attention in a negative way heading into this post season. It has almost all been self-inflicted on his part and his actions that have influenced this team (and continue to influence this team's strategy) should be 100% open to discussion IMO. Especially when his agent is out there talking to the media dredging the whole thing up again. Maybe Scott should address the fact that he completely misquoted Dr. Andrews in his initial public tantrum?

discussion to pass the time. And, yes, obviously extremely relevant.

Also, some of the Harvey supporters are truly minimizing what has lead us to these Harvey discussions. He's created this with not just a couple of things, but a string of things. Harvey wouldn't be taking the heat he has if it was just a missed meeting or a middle-finger picture. That doesn't make any sense. All of the other stud pitchers have seemed to keep a low profile. And it has nothing to do with the fact that he grew up a Yankee fan. I'm sure half the kids in that clubhouse grew up Yankee fans. Harvey and his buffoon of an agent have both contributed to his current reputation.

Eric. Most of what your talking about has nothing to do with Harvey. Every pitcher on earth was always going to have some sort of restrictions as a 25/26 year old never having even completed a full season yet. We all knew it heading in. Acting like this is Harvey's fault when he's pitching past his innings limit and against his agents wishes is moronic IMO. Harvey isn't creating drama because he blew out a ligament. But people sure act like he is though.

But we got a game to watch. This harvey stuff is sickening at this point. Lets enjoy the game.