Giants
Kratch NJ.com: San Francisco 49ers vs. Giants: 1 key number and 1 important fact
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/10/san_francisco_49ers_vs_giants_1_key_number_and_1_i.html
Coach
Rock Newsday: Tom Coughlin now a deferring kind of coach
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/heads-or-tails-giants-tom-coughlin-wants-to-defer-1.10941225
Offense
Stapleton The Record: Giants taking aggressive approach
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/football/taking-aggressive-approach-1.1429643
WR
Braziller NYP: Jets' Cromartie takes shots at 'sucker-punching' Ode
http://nypost.com/2015/10/09/jets-cromartie-takes-shots-at-sucker-punching-odell-beckham/
Cosentino NJ.com: Jets' Antonio Cromartie thinks Giants' Odell Beckham Jr. should quit whining
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/10/antonio_cromartie_thinks_odell_beckham_jr_should_q.html
Kratch NJ.com: 5 things about new Giants wideout Myles White, including his tie to James Jones
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/10/5_things_you_need_to_know_about_new_giants_wide_re.html
RG
Williams ESPN 104.5: Giants OL Schwartz on 4th Quarter Play: ‘Takes Time to Learn How to Win’ [AUDIO]
http://1045theteam.com/giants-ol-on-4th-quarter-play-takes-time-to-learn-how-to-win-audio/
Defense
Lewis NYP: Giants’ already weak pass defense takes another key hit
http://nypost.com/2015/10/10/giants-already-weak-pass-defense-takes-another-key-hit/
Barker Newsday: Giants experience against mobile QBs like last wk's Tyrod Taylor should help this wk against Kaepernick
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/giants-have-experience-against-mobile-quarterbacks-1.10943307
DT
Raanan NJ.com: Why Nikita Whitlock is so hard to block and the 49ers better watch out for Giants' secret weapon
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/10/why_nikita_whitlock_is_so_hard_to_block_and_the_49.html
DE
Eisen Giants.com: Kerry Wynn's journey from UDFA to impact player
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Inside-Kerry-Wynns-journey-from-UDFA-to-impact-player/738e96a8-c01f-44b0-87e6-12ec4e7d372f
Raanan NJ.com: Giants to use Cullen Jenkins as defensive end against 49ers with Robert Ayers, George Selvie out
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/10/giants_to_use_cullen_jenkins_as_defensive_end_agai.html#incart_story_package
S
Lewis NYP: Landon Collins' 1st Giants month: Crushing hits, intriguing potential
http://nypost.com/2015/10/09/landon-collins-1st-giants-month-crushing-hits-intriguing-potential/
PK
Eisen Giants.com: Veteran Josh Brown knows value of momentum
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Veteran-Josh-Brown-knows-value-of-momentum-/16ec0b57-c4de-47ac-9369-42f5b3070019
NFL
Breer NFL.com: Colin Kaepernick/Robert Griffin III woes: A spread QB quandary
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000553197/article/colin-kaepernickrobert-griffin-iii-woes-a-spread-qb-quandary
Baker Grantland: Odell Beckham Jr., Ryan Tannehill, and What Happens When NFL Players Get a Little Weird
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/odell-beckham-jr-ryan-tannehill-and-what-happens-when-nfl-players-get-a-little-weird/
ARIZONA
Pompei B/R: Career year at 35? My BR feature on the extraordinary commitment of Carson Palmer.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2577377-what-keeps-carson-palmer-going
ATLANTA
Ledbetter AJC: Falcons coach Dan Quinn mum on his meeting with Roddy White
http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/football/quinn-mum-on-his-meeting-with-white/nnyqq/#st_refDomain=t.co& st_refQuery=/N7Y3fQkWp0
Ledbetter AJC: Dan Quinn uses fun, games in shaping Falcons
http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/football/dan-quinn-uses-fun-games-in-shaping-falcons/nnyQZ/?ecmp=ajc_social_twitter_2014_sports_sfp
Cunningham AJC: Leonard Hankerson rejuvenated with Falcons
http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/football/hankerson-rejuvenated-with-falcons/nnyPw/
Cunningham AJC: Falcons pass rush is lacking
http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/football/falcons-pass-rush-is-lacking/nnyQw/?icmp=ajc_internallink_referralbox_free-to-premium-referral& ecmp=ajc_social_twitter_2014_falcons_sfp
BALTIMORE
Meoli Bal Sun: Ravens plugging holes by taking part in NFL's in-season trading trend
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-nfl-trade-trend-1010-20151009-story.html
CAROLINA
Jones Charlotte Observer: Panthers QB Cam Newton, MVP candidate: Legit chance, or background noise?
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article38193405.html
CHICAGO
Campbell Chicago Tribune: Adam Gase, Bears offense has to adapt
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-adam-gase-bears-offense-special-spt-1011-20151010-story.html
Biggs Chicago Tribune: Bears learn hard way developing young offensive lineman a critical need
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-essentials-biggs-spt-1011-20151010-story.html
Wiederer Chicago Tribune: Bears counting on Kyle Long's quick ability to adapt
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-huddle-up-kyle-long-bears-spt-1010-20151009-story.html
CINCINNATI
Cosell Yahoo Sports: Before 4-0 Bengals face Seattle, @gregcosell explains what's behind their offensive success:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-s-film-review--looking-at-the-4-0-bengals-and-andy-dalton-213528588.html
CLEVELAND
Cabot Cleve Plain Dealer: Browns Justin Gilbert "excited to be back there'' on KORs and "would love'' a shot at offense
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/10/justin_gilbert_excited_to_be_b.html
DALLAS
George Dallas Morning News: The impact of Greg Hardy, Rolando McClain on Cowboys: 'Good to have some SOBs'
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/20151009-the-impact-of-greg-hardy-rolando-mcclain-on-cowboys-good-to-have-some-sobs.ece
Gosselin Dallas Morning News: Jerry Jones serves as an enabler, undermines his coach in latest Greg Hardy defense
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/columnists/rick-gosselin/20151009-gosselin-the-less-cowboys-de-greg-hardy-speaks-the-better-off-he-is----jerry-jones-should-follow-suit.ece
Moore Dallas Morning News: Cowboys' rookie Lucky Whitehead set to make debut as return man
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/20151009-cowboys-rookie-lucky-whitehead-set-to-make-debut-as-return-man.ece
DENVER
Klis 9 News: Broncos releasing FB James Casey to add Derek Wolfe
http://www.9news.com/story/sports/nfl/denver-broncos/mike-klis/2015/10/09/james-casey-derek-wolfe/73679302/
Wolfe Denver Post: C.J. Anderson hopes returning home will turn around his season
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28948137/c-j-anderson-hopes-returning-home-will-turn
DETROIT
Monarrez Detroit Free Press: Golden Tate frustrated by losing, not lack of looks
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/10/09/golden-tate-matthew-stafford/73664898/
Birkett Detroit Free Press: DeAndre Levy will make his season debut vs. Cardinals
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/10/09/deandre-levy-injury-detroit-lions/73649008/
GREEN BAY
Silverstein Mil JS: S Sean Richardson has serious neck injury, career in jeopardy
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/331699341.html?ipad=y
HOUSTON
Smith Houston Chronicle: There's only one question for Bob McNair to ask his coach, GM. What's the Texans' real plan at QB?
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/columnists/smith/article/Hey-Bob-McNair-what-s-your-plan-for-Texans-6562730.php
Houston Chronicle: O'Brien picks Hoyer to start at QB for Texans
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/O-Brien-picks-Hoyer-to-start-at-QB-for-Texans-6562554.php?t=e7229a77e9438d9cbb& cmpid=twitter-premium
INDIANAPOLIS
Holder Ind Star: Frank Gore and Andre Johnson have preached patience with Colts offense. Was the wait worth it?
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/10/09/colts-find-success-moving-pockets-quick-throws/73676478/
Holder Ind Star: One of the best things the Colts have done this season is reconfigure their OL. This lineup works, period:
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/10/09/thumbs-updown-praise-colts-offensive-line/73467296/
KANSAS CITY
Paylor KC Star: Chiefs got back to basics this week to aid run defense
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article38524695.html
MIAMI
Miami Herald: Miami Dolphins players appreciate new head coach Dan Campbell’s intensity
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article38488815.html
NEW ORLEANS
Woodberry Nola.com: Saints' Kaleb Eulls, Eagles' Fletcher Cox come from different sides of Yazoo rivalry
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/10/kaleb_eulls_fletcher_cox.html?utm_content=buffer77baa& utm_medium=social& utm_source=twitter.com& utm_campaign=buffer
Terrell Nola.com: New Orleans Saints starting defenders return to face struggling Eagles offense
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/10/new_orleans_saints_defenders.html
OAKLAND
Fitzgerald SF Chronicle: New Raiders cornerback Amerson ready for Manning
http://www.sfchronicle.com/raiders/article/New-Raiders-cornerback-Amerson-ready-for-Peyton-6562296.php?t=0a2c9947420a4808f6& cmpid=twitter-premium
PHILADELPHIA
McLane Phil.com: Murray having trouble fitting in to Eagles' offense
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20151011_Murray_having_trouble_fitting_in_to_Eagles_offense.html
PITTSBURGH
Bouchette Pitt Post Gazette: On the Steelers: Running back Le'Veon Bell wants ball, but he is not inclined to ask for it
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2015/10/09/steele-4/stories/201510090199
Fittipaldo Pitt Post Gazette: NFL special-teamers live a week-to-week existence, Steelers included
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2015/10/10/NFL-special-teamers-live-a-week-to-week-existence-Steelers-included/stories/201510100033
SAN DIEGO
Krasovic UTSD: Philip Rivers exploited Steelers' flaws last time
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/oct/09/rivers-steelers-chargers-ike-taylor/
SAN FRANCISCO
Branch SF Chronicle: Dawson, Boldin, Boone, Bethea address 49ers locker-room vibe.
http://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/49ers-response-to-losing-Angry-is-good-6562275.php?t=46b20bc04e7d4f3860& cmpid=twitter-premium
Barrows Sac Bee: 49ers notes: Joe Staley practices, Vernon Davis ruled out
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article38449077.html
Branch SF Chronicle: Surprise: Vernon Davis ruled out; offensive players optimistic about game plan.
http://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Surprise-Vernon-Davis-ruled-out-offensive-6562035.php?t=6399099d2f7d4f3860& cmpid=twitter-premium
Branch SF Chronicle: 49ers notes: Davis out again; Brock's fatigue prompts slot move.
http://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/49ers-tight-end-Vernon-Davis-to-miss-2nd-game-6562910.php?t=0ba499d86c7d4f3860& cmpid=twitter-premium
Panacy B/R: 49ers vs. Giants: What's the Game Plan for San Francisco
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2577701-49ers-vs-giants-whats-the-game-plan-for-san-francisco
Armstrong NYDN: 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick looks to turn things around
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/49ers-qb-kaepernick-turn-giants-article-1.2392227
Cannizzaro NYP: What Eric Mangini has learned in roller-coaster NFL
http://nypost.com/2015/10/09/what-eric-mangini-has-learned-in-roller-coaster-nfl-life/
Maiocco CSN Bay Area: 49ers' Ward: Beckham going to fight, but 'not as shifty as Cobb'
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/ward-faces-another-challenge-against-giants-beckham
@Andy_Benoit: 49ers Film: Kaepernick’s WRs losing patience with him. See it in body language of Boldin and Smith. QB blowing too many routine pocket plays
@Andy_Benoit: 49ers Film: Kaepernick did not make many plays with his legs. If that’s going to be the case, then theoretically, why have him out there?
@Andy_Benoit: 49ers Film: Kaepernick success on read-option. Ball deception defeated unblocked Packers, who by design were slow-playing it.
@Andy_Benoit: Film: 49ers did not do enough to help WR’s. Too much isolation. Aside from shallow crossers, there weren’t man-beater concepts.
@Andy_Benoit: Film: 49ers had some success with crossing routes that naturally defeated Packers man coverage concepts.
@Andy_Benoit: Film: Vernon Davis was out this game, that hurt. 49ers have been built around multi-TE packages this yr, they didn’t have that dimension.
@Andy_Benoit: Film: Packers OL very sturdy in pass pro. 49ers have struggled to generate activity with a four-man rush this season.
@Andy_Benoit: Film: Besides bust on Jones 36 yds, 49ers back seven was sound in coverage, very heavy on basic zone concepts.
@Andy_Benoit: Film: 49ers early on defended Packers run game well with just a 6-man box. Their DL won.
@Andy_Benoit: 49ers Film: Wilhoite and Bowman both looked good vs. the run.
SEATTLE
Condotta Seattle Times: Here's our updated story on Marshawn Lynch being out for Cincy game along with other injury details:
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seattle-seahawks-marshawn-lynch-will-miss-second-straight-game-against-bengals-sunday/
Condotta Seattle Times: Ex-Seahawks coach Dennis Erickson saw parallels between batted-ball play and blown 1998 goal-line call
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/ex-seahawks-coach-dennis-erickson-saw-parallels-between-batted-ball-play-and-blown-1998-goal-line-call/
Jenks Seattle Times: Linebacker Bobby Wagner using mind, speed to make big impact for Seahawks
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/linebacker-bobby-wagner-using-mind-speed-to-make-big-impact-for-seahawks-2/
TENNESSEE
Wolfe The Tennessean: Whisenhunt: Titans can learn lesson from Colts
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2015/10/09/whisenhunt-titans-can-learn-lesson-colts/73666368/
WASHINGTON
Clarke Wash Post: Not acting their age, Redskins rookies arriving ahead of schedule
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/not-acting-their-age-redskins-rookies-arriving-ahead-of-schedule/2015/10/09/473cb612-6e18-11e5-aa5b-f78a98956699_story.html
Gulizia Wash Times: Redskins tight end Derek Carrier ready to step up with Jordan Reed out
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/9/redskins-tight-end-derek-carrier-ready-step-jordan/?utm_source=RSS_Feed& utm_medium=RSS
Testfatsion Wash Post: A thin Redskins secondary faces stiff challenge in defending Falcons star WR Julio Jones
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/10/09/a-thin-redskins-secondary-faces-stiff-challenge-in-defending-falcons-star-julio-jones/
Testfatsion Wash Post: Will Blackmon to receive his first start with the Redskins
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/10/10/will-blackmon-to-receive-his-first-start-with-the-redskins/?postshare=6031444477231635
Draft
Palazzolo PFF: The best players in college football
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/09/pffs-dream-team-best-players-at-every-position-2/
Duggan NJ.com: Q& A with Rutgers' Keith Lumpkin: The offensive lineman who dreams to play for the Giants
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2015/10/qa_with_rutgers_keith_lumpkin_the_offensive_linema.html
History
Gosselin Dallas Morning News: Sorry Cowboys fans, Patriots are the best NFL dynasty of all time
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/columnists/rick-gosselin/20151009-gosselin-sorry-cowboys-fans-patriots-are-the-best-nfl-dynasty-of-all-time.ece
Mississippi State legend Tom Goode passes away
"Goode went on to play at linebacker, center and long snapper in 113 professional games with the Houston Oilers, Miami Dolphins and Baltimore Colts. Most notably, Goode was the long snapper on Jim O’Brien’s winning kick as time expired in Super Bowl V."
https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi-state/mississippi-state-legend-tom-goode-passes-away
Giants Birthdays 10-10 to 10-16
10-10
Linval Joseph DT D2 2010 NYG 2010-2013 10-10-1988
Kawika Mitchell RLB NYG 2007?10-10-1979
Gary Pettigrew DT NYG 1974 10-10-1944
Shaun Williams S D1 1998!NYG 1998-2005 10-10-1976
10-11
Kellen Davis TE NYG Training Camp 2014 10-11-1985
10-12
Ryan Clark S NYG 2002-2003 10-12-1979
Bud Hebert SS D7 1980 NYG 1980 10-12-1956
Odessa Turner WR D4 1987 NYG 1987-1991 10-12-1964
10-13
Andy Gross G NYG 1967-1968 10-13-1945
Rich Kotite TE NYG 1967, 1969, 1971-1972 10-13-1942
Henry Schichtle QB D6 1964 NYG 1964 10-13-1941
10-15
Lonnie Palelei G NYG 1998 10-15-1970
Wayne Walton G/T D2 1971 NYG 1971-1972 10-15-1948
10-16
Dave Lewis P D5 1967 NYG Training Camp 1969 10-16-1945
Frank Parker DT NYG 1969 10-16-1939
It shouldn't be taken for granted. I've come to rely on it.
Boilard Inside Football: Game Preview: San Francisco 49ers at New York Giants
http://insidefootball.com/2015/10/08/game-preview-san-francisco-49ers-at-new-york-giants/
RG
Raanan NJ.com: Health and right guard making a difference for Geoff Schwartz | Giants 4 downs
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/10/health_and_right_guard_making_a_difference_for_geo.html
NFL
BUFFALO
Sharp Grantland: Tell Your Grandkids About the 2015 Buffalo Bills
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/tell-your-grandkids-about-the-2015-buffalo-bills/
Carucci Buffalo News: Bills safety Aaron Williams finds new perspective from 'scary' injury
https://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/10/09/bills-safety-aaron-williams-finds-new-perspective-from-scary-injury/
NEW ENGLAND
Machota Dallas Morning News: Bill Belichick goes into great detail about how he learned the Tom Landry shift
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/20151009-bill-belichick-goes-into-great-detail-about-how-he-learned-the-tom-landry-shift.ece
Howe Boston Herald: Patriots wary of Brandon Weeden, but focus on defensive improvement
https://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2015/10/patriots_wary_of_brandon_weeden_but_focus_on
Healy Boston Globe: Jabaal Sheard is doing his share in Patriots rotation
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/10/09/jabaal-sheard-doing-his-share-patriots-rotation/Uzqq9ZR0xniDidv0CKlblO/story.html
PHILADELPHIA
Narducci Phil.com: Matt Tobin's path to starting right guard:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20151010_Eagles__Tobin_made_it_here_the_hard_way.html
ST. LOUIS
Thomas STL Post Dispatch: Rams hope running game continues to flourish:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/article_3fe78322-4e8f-505a-9ea9-402909960de2.html
SAN FRANCISCO
Maiocco CSN Bay Area: 49ers coach hints at 'major' changes to help lift struggling Colin Kaepernick
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article38667504.html
Thank you Defenderdawg
One of his teammates at Wichita State would have wanted the spotlight:
"From 1954 to 1959 I went to maybe 15 games. People in the neighborhood would take me or give us the tickets. I didn't go to the overtime game in 1958, but I remember being with a bunch of kids that day who went out to Lake Hopatcong, which was frozen over. They went ice skating, but I sat in the car listening to the game. When the Giants lost, I died.''
As an all-Missouri Valley Conference linebacker at Wichita State, he was drafted by the Detroit Lions in the seventh round for the 1964 season.
''Four other guys on our team got drafted,'' he said. ''Henry Schichtle, a quarterback, was drafted by the Giants, I was sick. I thought, why couldn't it be me?''
Bill Parcells talking to Dave Anderson NYT in 1986
1964 Giants Training Camp Roster: Where optimism was high, after all the Giants had won the East in 1956, 1958, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1963...
THE GIANTS’ SQUAD
OFFENSE
Split ends and flankers—Del Shofner, Frank Gifford, Aaron Thomas, Joe Morrison, John Counts, Louis Guy, *Homer Jones, *Tom Costello.
Tight ends—Joe Walton, Bob Crespino.
Tackles—Roosevelt Brown, Jack Stroud, Lou Kirouac, Layne Howell, *Jim Moran.
Guards—Darrell Dess, Bookie Bolin, *Ed Adamchik, *Frank Lasky.
Centers—Greg Larson, Mickey Walker.
Quarterbacks—Y. A. Tittle, Glynn Gritting, *Gary Wood, *Henry Schichtle.
Running backs—Phil King, Hugh McElhenny, Alex Webster, Dick James, Chariie Killett, Bob Anderson, *Ernie Wheelwright, *Joe Don Looney, *Steve Thurlow, *Clarence Childs, *John Rollins.
DEFENSE
Ends—Jim Katcavage, Bob Taylor, Ken Byers, *Jack Mount.
Tackles—John LoVetere, Andy Stynchula, *Tony DiMidio, *John Contoulis.
Llnebackers—Bill Winter, Jerry Hillebrand, Tom Scott, AI Gursky, *Lou Slaby, *Cody Binkley, *John Kovach.
Backs—Erich Barnes, Dick Lynch, Jim Patton, Dick Pesonen, Allan Webb, *Bill Pashe, *Bob Dunn, *Millard Fleming.
*Denotes rookie.
Andy Robustelli and Don Chandler had retired...but would return
Sam Huff was traded for Andy Stynchula and Dick James, neither one of whom evere did much with the Giants.
It was an old team with most of its stars in their early to mid 30s with few good young players to take their place.
However, it did have a rookie who turned out to be a great player: Homer Jones at WR, who IIRC still holds the NFL record for Yard Per Catch.
Also had the greatest Giants KR IMO in Clarence Childs.
Back then there was no Free Agency so that if you didn't draft well you were doomed to mediocrity or worse for a long time. Giants began a long stretch of poor drafting.
wow, remember and watched all those names play, excepting the immortal Henry Schichtle--did he ever take a snap for NYG in NFL?
Not to mention the "minister" who counseled the killer during his trial in '94
(1) LoVetere who made the Pro Bowl in 1963 had a severe knee injury in 1964. He made a couple of comeback efforts in 65 and 66 but was finished.
(2) With the draft choice the Giants received from the Rams in the trade the Giants selected Matt Snell FB from Ohio State in 1964 in the fourth round. He signed with the Jets instead and became one of the top FB's in the AFL.
If LoVetere stays healthy and the Giants sign Snell then the trade looks a lot better. Keep in mind that Grier only played three years in LA, retiring after the 1966 season.
Also if the Giants had signed Snell, no need to take a FB at the top of the 1965 draft...
The Giants made a lot of bad trades after 1961...but this one could have turned out to be something more...
(1) LoVetere who made the Pro Bowl in 1963 had a severe knee injury in 1964. He made a couple of comeback efforts in 65 and 66 but was finished.
(2) With the draft choice the Giants received from the Rams in the trade the Giants selected Matt Snell FB from Ohio State in 1964 in the fourth round. He signed with the Jets instead and became one of the top FB's in the AFL.
If LoVetere stays healthy and the Giants sign Snell then the trade looks a lot better. Keep in mind that Grier only played three years in LA, retiring after the 1966 season.
Also if the Giants had signed Snell, no need to take a FB at the top of the 1965 draft...
The Giants made a lot of bad trades after 1961...but this one could have turned out to be something more...
True re '65 draft. Maybe we take Butkus or Sayers
Another point, the second best player in the Huff trade was a lineman by the name of George Seals that the Giants drafted with their other fourth round selection in 1964. Seals went to the Bears were he started at G then later at DT into the 70's...given their needs on the line Seals would have helped the Giants.
So the trade was Huff and Seals to Washingtin for Stynchula, Dick James and a 1965 fifth round draft choice that the Giants used on a P named Frank Lambert...one justification for the trade the Giants wanted to get younger on defense...the Giants ability to evaluate young talent was slipping however...
The Giants thought they had two promising young LB's in Bill Winter and Jerry Hillebrand. Winter had gone from being a 18th round draft choice to a starter at LLB in 62-63...Hillebrand as a part time player intercepted 5 passes in 1963...no Giant LB has matched that total since...there was also a redshirt LB named Lou Slaby and Louis Guy who played capably when Tom Scott was injured in the 1963 Championship game with the Bears...
The problem was Winter had a bad knee and was never the same during the 64 season. He retired prematurely before the 65 season, Hillebrand was injured in the 64 preseason and was not suited to be a MLB something the Giants tried to make him into...
After leaving the Giants Hillebrand was a solid OLB in St. Louis and Pittsburgh...the Giants had trouble evaluating their LB's...as a rookie Olen Underwood of Texas started at OLB in 1965 then was waived and went to be a starting LB in the AFL, Ken Avery started as a rookie in 1967 and again in 1968, the Giants waived him and he became a starter with the Bengals for several years, Ed Weisacosky waived by the Giamts contributed with the Dolphins and Patriots...Henry Davis sent to Pittsburgh after spending two years in NY was a part of the early Steelers revival...
Even the LB's the Giants traded away brought a good value...Bill Swain one year off a serious knee injury was part of the trade that brought the Giants SS Bruce Maher, a third and fourth round draft picks, Tommy Crutcher after two years in NY brought a third round pick from the Rams...
Finally back to Schichtle, his Giant regular season career consisted of ten games active, one game played, no pass attempts, .although he was with the Giants and competed in two training camps...he was part of the less than memorable Gary Wood, Bob Timberlake, John Torok competition in 1965 that caused the Giants to trade for Earl Morrall before training camp was over. He later was in the Falcons camp and the CFL.