Mets lineup
1. Curtis Granderson, RF
2. David Wright, 3B
3. Daniel Murphy, 2B
4. Yoenis Cespedes, CF
5. Lucas Duda, 1B
6. Travis d'Arnaud, C
7. Michael Conforto, LF
8. Ruben Tejada, SS
9. Noah Syndergaard, SP
Dodgers lineup
1. Howie Kendrick, 2B
2. Corey Seager, SS
3. Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
4. Justin Turner, 3B
5. Andre Ethier, RF
6. Carl Crawford, LF
7. Yasmani Grandal, C
8. Enrique Hernandez, CF
9. Zack Greinke, SP
Let's go Mets!!!
They literally changed a rule that existed forever because Buster Posey got injured on a legal freak play. Yet on this play, nothing about it is legal and yet not only is it called wrong but the team that does it benefits from it.
Fuck MLB. Nothing they do should be taken seriously and they won't get a dime of my money ever.
What other mangers would say, "Robles said the ball got away from him. We are not trying to hurt anybody. Hansel knows that and he is sorry the ball went there."
That's how you handle it. What Terry said is throwing your player under the bus. Everybody knows Robles threw at him. But you protect your player
i may be a yanks fan, but i'm also a fan of baseball...and i hate when horseshit like that play destroys a game.
Dirty play, but within the rules. Its just BS that he was called safe. He never touched the bag because the umps called him out? Well Tejada never tagged him because the ump called him out. Why doesnt that matter? What if should not be the standard. What actually happened should be. If the runner should be responsible to always touch the bag in those scenarios or be called out. So pathetic.
What other mangers would say, "Robles said the ball got away from him. We are not trying to hurt anybody. Hansel knows that and he is sorry the ball went there."
That's how you handle it. What Terry said is throwing your player under the bus. Everybody knows Robles threw at him. But you protect your player
Dude your Collins hate is getting really obnoxious
Save it for another night
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When Robles threw at the guy, Terry said after the game, "you can't throw it up there."
What other mangers would say, "Robles said the ball got away from him. We are not trying to hurt anybody. Hansel knows that and he is sorry the ball went there."
That's how you handle it. What Terry said is throwing your player under the bus. Everybody knows Robles threw at him. But you protect your player
Dude your Collins hate is getting really obnoxious
Save it for another night
Your continual defense of everything Collins does is pathetic. And if you can't understand why someone would be upset, I don't know what to tell you.
And, just for the record, I don't hate Collins. I actually think he is an OK manager over all because the players and media both like him, which is an accomplishment in NY. I just don't like his bullpen management and the way he handles these situations like tonight.
If you don't like my posts don't read them, to be honest, I generally skip yours
That would have been fun...robles would have gotten his ass kicked though
Exactly. He was already past the bag when the umpire made the out call.
He's not out of the baseline in that video though...but I agree he should have been called out because he never touched 2nd
Your team is angry
Your fans are in despair
Gotham needs you.
Get nasty and finish this.
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Should've hit puig and got it really going
That would have been fun...robles would have gotten his ass kicked though
I don't know about that. Robles is kinda psycho and Puig already backed down from Bumgarner
I'm going to break this down real simple and this is the base level way this is fucked up
They are calling the tackler safe because the umpire called him out and then when reviewed, was judged to be safe because the neighborhood play was judged to be not in effect due to the lack of likelihood of the double play happening....yet the tackle (slide) was judged to be legal because he was trying to break up .... a play that was judged to not be possible. Which would make the slide illegal because there was no reason to break up anything if the play was not possible!!!
THIS IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT.
If the mets were planning on retaliation on Utley because he will certainly get it from them if not this series then whatever team he's on next year. If would be funny mattingly tried to use his potential plunking during a close and late situation.
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When Robles threw at the guy, Terry said after the game, "you can't throw it up there."
What other mangers would say, "Robles said the ball got away from him. We are not trying to hurt anybody. Hansel knows that and he is sorry the ball went there."
That's how you handle it. What Terry said is throwing your player under the bus. Everybody knows Robles threw at him. But you protect your player
Dude your Collins hate is getting really obnoxious
Save it for another night
Your continual defense of everything Collins does is pathetic. And if you can't understand why someone would be upset, I don't know what to tell you.
And, just for the record, I don't hate Collins. I actually think he is an OK manager over all because the players and media both like him, which is an accomplishment in NY. I just don't like his bullpen management and the way he handles these situations like tonight.
If you don't like my posts don't read them, to be honest, I generally skip yours
Lol you're a joke
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Should've hit puig and got it really going
That would have been fun...robles would have gotten his ass kicked though
I don't know about that. Robles is kinda psycho and Puig already backed down from Bumgarner
MadBum is a badass though...Robles just pretends to be one
I guess they could argue Tejada knew his foot wasn't on the bag, so he should have tagged him so that the play could not be overturned. He might have if his leg wasn't broken on a dirty take out
it really bothers me how much skirting there was from Torre too...expected more from him, but it just seems like everyone is in "toe the line" speak at the moment.
tired of officiating ruining things like this...you'd think with the technology developed, that shit like this would happen LESS. obviously on a much different scale, but its just like the damn ball batting in MNF this week...ruined the damn game.
in this case, there was at least a fucking replay and they STILL got it wrong. unreal. i feel your pain man.
Lol you're a joke
You are the guy who argued that Collins was deliberately using Parnell because he knew he would fuck up. So I would think twice about calling anyone a joke.
But what ever. Have a good night. We're both Met fans and it was tough loss.
Is pissed. No way the team is not seething on the plane. They need to get on the same page though, go for blood first or forget it and just win baby.
The thing about tagging Utley was just grasping at straws. The guy ran off the field. If Utley had tried to scramble back to the bag, Tejada probably would have tagged him.
The worst part of the entire thing is MLB rewarded the dirty play when it was well within their abilities to fairly and accurately call him out - be it the neighborhood play, the fact that he never touched the base, or the fact that it was a dirty fucking play that deserved to be called an out for making no attempt at the bag. That's the part that's shameful, because 2 out and a man on first is a completely different ballgame. You could make a perfectly justifiable argument for applying the rulebook automatic DP, but no question in my mind the least defensible and fair thing they could have done, is exactly what transpired.
Eric Byrnes on MLB network was fantastic. He said it was 100% a dirty play but he 100% understood why Utley did it, because you are taught from day 1 to "get a body on the middle infielder to break up the double play". He was sick over the play and viscerally angry because the only way to get plays like that out of the game is by the MLB enforcing the rules and tonight they did the exact opposite of that at the highest levels of the league offices in Chelsea Market. What happened tonight is only going encourage more plays like that in the short term and it all could have been easily avoided by just calling Utley out.
I wish the Mets would have just hit Puig tonight to not make retaliation a central storyline over the next few days. This has the feel of the Clemens situation where it was talked about so much and the reality is it should have been handled then and there. Oh well, got the split, this is why you wanted Matt Harvey on the mound in game 3.
it really bothers me how much skirting there was from Torre too...expected more from him, but it just seems like everyone is in "toe the line" speak at the moment.
tired of officiating ruining things like this...you'd think with the technology developed, that shit like this would happen LESS. obviously on a much different scale, but its just like the damn ball batting in MNF this week...ruined the damn game.
in this case, there was at least a fucking replay and they STILL got it wrong. unreal. i feel your pain man.
well i apprciate it but I don't think you really CAN feel my pain because not only did the team lose the game and a middle infielder who was truly playing for his fielding - even though they have a far better hitter on the bench - because they felt middle infield D is that important in this series. (and of course he gets hurt on a dirty play in the field by the same piece of shit that has done this to him before) but it also ruins my interest level. Honestly how a bunch of officials the league office saw the play and it resulted how it did is beyond any explanation and it just sucks all the honestly from the game. Utley jumped into a guy's leg a good 2 feet from second base as a way to break up a double play that the league then said was not possible and therefore awarded the base to Utley....who never even intended on being safe at the base. THe reason he was even where he was, was because he wasn't even trying to beat the play. He knew he was out. Yet the league called him safe...
This is truly the worst call and worst job by an organized pro sports league that has ever occurred and I challenge anyone to find me and the rest of the Met fans here an example of something worse.
It can be a new strategy in baseball. Run back to the clubhouse and lock the door, you can never be called out. Games will last for days.
Bias much? The right call was made. He didn't touch the bag.
I think they only realized that afterwards and then to cover up their original gaffe, they ruled Utley safe.
It's clearly the neighborhood play. The throw did not pull Tejada off the bag as they claimed. He was not yet at the bag when he caught it. The spin occurred after he "touched" the bag. If Tejada had completed the DP, it would have been a DP. They never in a million years would have said he didn't touch the bag.
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This is truly the worst call and worst job by an organized pro sports league that has ever occurred and I challenge anyone to find me and the rest of the Met fans here an example of something worse.
Bias much? The right call was made. He didn't touch the bag.
I'm biased sometimes. In this case I'm not. On the other hand the only way it makes sense to you that he is safe because Tejada missed the bag, is if you're biased against the team that got fucked over here.
Here's a very very quick and clean explanation why. Nah actually screw that shit, this is going to be long and more than you care to read and frankly I don't give a damn because I am livid just like every other Met fan who saw that debacle last night:
If you watch baseball...and I think you do...you've seen a SS run a Double Play usually multiple times in a game. You've obviously also seen a Neighborhood Play then, since it occurs nearly every time there's a double play. In this case, Tejada was likely even closer to the base to turn a DP than a fielder usually is on those plays. Your bias may be ruining your memory of the play so here:
Wait, what's that you say? The ump said it wasn't a Neighborhood call? Well obviously he said it wasn't because check it out:
Notwithstanding the foregoing, the following calls will not be subject to review:
The Umpire's judgment that a runner is clearly out on a force play at second base under circumstances in which the defensive player may or may not have touched second base in his attempt to complete a double play and avoid a collision with the runner. All other elements of the call shall be subject to review, including whether the fielder caught the ball, had control of the ball, was drawn off the bag, or tagged the runner. In this regard, a determination as to whether the fielder made a catch before dropping the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch shall be reviewable[/b]
So the play wouldn't have been reviewable if it was a Neighborhood call. Right? We can agree on what we just read? Or is bias getting in the way? Obviously being a MLB Umpire requires that knowledge. Let's say that Ump is as pathetically abysmal and clueless as he was and is...surely one or all of the other Umps would know that rule. Right? Ok ok, let's say the whole crew was a joke and clueless how to officiate their sport. That would be a major problem since they are officiating a NLDS game. Let's assume for the sake of this discussion that in fact the whole damn crew is lost and not qualified to officiate the game. We can and should then assume that the fucking league office knows the rules. Right? Cool because I think we both agree that there's no way the League doesn't know what's in their own rule book nor were capable of looking it up.
With all of that cleared up, the Umps and the League office likely knew the rule yet they allowed the review to take place. Why the hell would they do that? Now even though they broke their own rule, you can just look at that picture up there and figure out that it was complete and total horseshit lies that they didn't think it was a DP in progress. Check it out...the 2nd base Ump either has eyes in the back of his head or was full of shit. He's staring right at the base and the play was to the middle of the infield so it would require am amazingly piss poor call to think a DP was out of the question
Ok, ok, ok fiiiiiiiiine. Let's think about it further and even use an example on another play of why it does't matter whether the SS even eats it and doesn't make the throw. This example repeats the rule from the rule book and explains why. This is from a play this year in Cleveland:
The Tigers had runners on first and third with one out in the second inning when Ian Kinsler hit a broken-bat slow roller to Cleveland Indians shortstop Francisco Lindor. Lindor made an odd-looking, looping throw to second baseman Jason Kipnis, who didn't touch the bag at second base as Jose Iglesias slid in.
Kipnis knew he didn't have any chance to make a relay to first base in time to get Kinsler, so he held on to the ball as Jose Iglesias was ruled out at second base.
It was clear that Kipnis did not touch the bag, but the replay rule regarding the play makes it clear that it will not be reviewed. From the second in the rulebook regarding "reviewable calls":
"Notwithstanding the foregoing, the following calls will not be subject to review: The Umpire's judgment that a runner is clearly out on a force play at second base under circumstances in which the defensive player may or may not have touched second base in his attempt to complete a double play and avoid a collision with the runner. All other elements of the call shall be subject to review, including whether the fielder caught the ball, had control of the ball, was drawn off the bag, or tagged the runner. In this regard, a determination as to whether the fielder made a catch before dropping the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch shall be reviewable."
Second-base umpire Lance Barksdale either missed the call entirely or ruled that Kipnis was making "an attempt to complete a double play and avoid a collision with the runner" -- language straight from the rule above -- in ruling Iglesias out at second base.
Whether or not Kipnis made the throw to first does not determine whether the play is reviewable. That makes sense. Would it make any sense to allow an infielder to eliminate replay from consideration simply by making a very late throw to first?
The play last night is a an obvious DP ball with a turn about to happen. Joe Torre can bullshit night and day to defend the league but he's just a politician now and he's wrong. Utley the Dirty Douchebag even stated the obvious in his interviews. Why the hell else would he lunge/slide at a SS if there wasn't a DP in progress about to happen? Go even further! Why would he not even make a passing attempt at hitting second base? You may be biased and think he did. Nah, look:
Maybe after the illegal slide, he went back to the base? Nah he just looked at the badly injured player who's career he just likely ended and went across the field to his dugout. So he knew he was out already, illegally slid, badly injured a player (who he only injured because of how illegal his slide was, and how far he had to veer to his right to not bother with the base and take out the SS.
So now that we know I'm not biased in this case but just not a fucking moron like the entire MLB, what occurred was this:
- DP ball to the middle of the field
- Tejada catches ball and readies himself to at least make an attempt at the DP
- The runner makes no attempt to ever reach the base and appeared to be out by a good 5-10 steps
- He goes from the natural baseline, at least a few feet to his right to try a takeout slide and doesn't bother to slide anywhere he can hit the base, in fact he starts his fucking slide PAST the fucking base. His only goal was to break up the DP ---that the umpires and Joe Torre in all his lying glory (without actually knowing the rule nor how it was applied) state was not possible and therefore reviewable as a play where the Neighborhood play did't apply....even though the runner who brutally and illegally hit the SS was trying to break up that very DP.
- In the end, the umpires decide that even though the review should never have even been legal, showed that Tejada missed the base.
- Of course the fucking baserunner ALSO missed the base. Never even came close. Never made an attempt to get back to it.
- Because the runner is called out, he runs across the diamond without ever touching the base. No Met cares to tag the runner who is off the base because he's already been called out by the pathetic umpire at 2nd base.
- And the grand finale!!! An out is REMOVED from the board, and the baserunner is put back on 2nd into scoring position because according to some random loophole that even Mr. Torre was incredulous about, if the umpire made a mistake in calling the runner out, the runner gets to go back to the base that he never touched and never made an attempt at reaching.
THank you for your time. You can use this info to explain to your buddies how the whole MLB basically did all they could to hand the Dodgers a win, allow them back into the series, reward the very player who illegally took out a SS with the most blatant illegal takeout slide any of us have seen in recent memory (if not even longer than that, maybe ever) by then giving him the base he never reached, and stole an out from the Mets that the umpire himself called as he stood 3 feet from the fucking base and changed the series.
Hope you enjoyed that biased long ass reality check I just posted.
NCAA Force-Play-Slide Rule (NCAA Rule 8, Section 4):
The intent of the force-play-slide rule is to ensure the safety of all players. This is a safety and an interference
rule. Whether the defense could have completed the double play has no bearing on the applicability of this
rule. This rule pertains to a force-play situation at any base, regardless of the number of outs.
a. On any force play, the runner must slide on the ground before the base and in a direct line betw
the two bases. It is permissible for the slider’s momentum to carry him through the base in the
baseline extended.
c. Actions by a runner are illegal and interference shall be called if:
1. The runner slides or runs out of the base line in the direction of the fielder and alters the play of
a fielder (with or without contact).
2. The runner uses a rolling or cross-body slide and either makes contact with or alters the
play of a fielder;
3. The runner’s raised leg makes contact higher than the fielder’s knee when in a standing position;
4. The runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or
5. The runner illegally slides toward or contacts the fielder even if the fielder makes no attempt to
throw to complete a play.
Penalty for 1-5
1. With less than two outs, the batter-runner, as well as the interfering runner, shall be
declared out and no other runner (s) shall advance.
2. With two outs, the interfering runner shall be declared out and no other runner(s) shall
advance.
3. If the runner’s slide or collision is flagrant, the runner shall be ejected from the contest.
A.R. - If the bases are loaded with no outs, a double-play attempt is made, and
interference is called, all other runners must return to their original bases
- I'm very surprised the call got overturned... they usually don't overturn the neighborhood call. Not overturning calls based on the "spirit" of the rule has been a 50-50 proposition.
- Utley should've been out, but they shouldn't have been given the double play.
- I'm very surprised the call got overturned... they usually don't overturn the neighborhood call. Not overturning calls based on the "spirit" of the rule has been a 50-50 proposition.
- Utley should've been out, but they shouldn't have been given the double play.
Phillies or Yankees?
Blueprint is Harvey dominate, bats beat the crap out of non Kershaw/Geinke starter, Harvey plug Utley with a 99MPH fastball, preferably on his knee
Really can't understand pro sports leagues sometimes. The ump/ref crew fucked this one up. It would have been better to admit as much, and just say 'well, human error, nothing we can do about it now' than to dance around and try to justify a series of bewildering judgement calls. Instead, you're going to get a lot of lawyering and more angry fans.
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This is truly the worst call and worst job by an organized pro sports league that has ever occurred and I challenge anyone to find me and the rest of the Met fans here an example of something worse.
Bias much? The right call was made. He didn't touch the bag.
No, moron the right call was not made - he should have been called out for not even remotely attempting to touch the base. Should have been double play, inning over.
But we know you're too stupid to understand that.
Here's an example of a rule that was created for player safety - and a player was deliberately injured as a result of the rule's violation, only to not enforce the rule on that play.
I'm not saying a player should have to get hurt for them to enforce it, but it's a lot easier to wave it off when it's 'that looked borderline, someone could have been hurt' than 'that looked dirty, and the guy he took out broke his leg'.
And how they not only don't do that, but somehow bring Utley back onto the field when he ran off without ever touching the bag is something I'll never be able to understand. Doesn't seem to hold up to either the rule or a common sense interpretation. Really a bad night for MLB officiating.