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Herzlich

Fish : 10/12/2015 8:55 am
Played his best game as a pro. Very noticeable out there and considering how most couldn't figure why he was on this team, he did well. For the guys who understands the X's and O's how do you think he played?
Slow  
Jints in Carolina : 10/12/2015 8:56 am : link
missed tackles.

Did ok on some plays though.
He was ok, made some plays  
JonC : 10/12/2015 8:59 am : link
but his angles of pursuit are often poor, and once he loses the angle he's toast.
RE: Slow  
fbdad : 10/12/2015 9:00 am : link
In comment 12543800 Jints in Carolina said:
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missed tackles.

Did ok on some plays though.


Exactly which ones did he miss? He completely held the point on his side and either made the tackle, assisted on it or turned the play back to the inside for someone else to clean up.

Haters gonna hate. Sigh
I am amazed at how some people  
jvm52106 : 10/12/2015 9:04 am : link
view the play of backups. You act like we should have the next LT on the sidelines waiting for an injury to play. Hell, Andy Headen was an amazing LB'er but was a backup because we have All-World LB's starting ahead of him. Herzlich is a backup and that is it. He isn't great but for holy hell, give him some credit as he knows where to be and did make some plays.

if he were great he would be starting. Unga was a joke last night. You want to make judgments, judge him. He was completely lost numerous times. Herzlich does what he can with his limited athleticism and speed.
RE: RE: Slow  
Jints in Carolina : 10/12/2015 9:09 am : link
In comment 12543817 fbdad said:
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In comment 12543800 Jints in Carolina said:


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missed tackles.

Did ok on some plays though.



Exactly which ones did he miss? He completely held the point on his side and either made the tackle, assisted on it or turned the play back to the inside for someone else to clean up.

Haters gonna hate. Sigh


yea i'm a hater. Watch the game.
RE: He was ok, made some plays  
Jints in Carolina : 10/12/2015 9:09 am : link
In comment 12543811 JonC said:
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but his angles of pursuit are often poor, and once he loses the angle he's toast.


HATER
It was his best game as a pro I guess,  
Curtis in VA : 10/12/2015 9:10 am : link
but that isn't saying much.

I'm not going to give props to someone for an average performance.
Uneven performance IMO  
Steve Filipowicz : 10/12/2015 9:13 am : link
Slow on end runs but OK between tackles and on goal-line. Pressured CK in key situation.
Tough crowd  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/12/2015 9:15 am : link
He was very good last night. I guess anything short of LT means he sucks

JonC, how many LBs can recover after missing the angle.
I've pointed this out to some of you on a number of occassions  
NYGmen58 : 10/12/2015 9:16 am : link
but Herzlich is a solid football player and a very serviceable OUTSIDE linebacker.

He was awful in the middle, and exposed on most plays but since they moved him to OLB before last season, he has done much better. He sets the edge and makes some plays. He played well last night.
He was outstanding  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/12/2015 9:17 am : link
Holding the edge
RE: He was outstanding  
Curtis in VA : 10/12/2015 9:17 am : link
In comment 12543862 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Holding the edge


Mixed. He got stoned by the TE a few times.
RE: RE: Slow  
giants#1 : 10/12/2015 9:20 am : link
In comment 12543817 fbdad said:
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In comment 12543800 Jints in Carolina said:


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missed tackles.

Did ok on some plays though.



Exactly which ones did he miss? He completely held the point on his side and either made the tackle, assisted on it or turned the play back to the inside for someone else to clean up.

Haters gonna hate. Sigh


Blew contain pretty bad on one late run off left tackle by Hyde in the 4th and made a great play penetrating earlier in the game but missed the tackle for a ~5 yard loss and Hyde ended up reversing field and getting 2-3 yards.

Other than those 2 plays, I was pleasantly surprised by Herzlich and thought he did well at the POA.
Some good with the bad. But that is much better than  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2015 9:23 am : link
the usual with Herz which is some bad with the bad.



AP, jvm  
JonC : 10/12/2015 9:24 am : link
It's a consistent habit of his. I do not expect LT from a backup, but pointing out where he falls short as well as where he does ok is normal on this forum. It was one of his better games, especially out on the edge.
Curtis  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/12/2015 9:25 am : link
So the TE wins 1 battle in 5 or 10 and that means he wasn't outstanding? I must have been watching a different game than you guys
I understand  
Josh in the City : 10/12/2015 9:26 am : link
why people want to like Herzlich, I really do. But I don't understand how anyone can consider him a true NFL quality LB. People see him involved in a play or two and all of a sudden are posting threads that he played his best game as a pro. In reality he's one of the slowest LBers I've ever seen play and he takes absolutely brutal angles towards the ball. He's not good in coverage and is average (at best) stopping the run. It's a feel good story but he's simply not a good player.
The bar is set rather low for Herz, apparently  
JonC : 10/12/2015 9:29 am : link
and I give him credit for exceeding it last night.
Sigh  
grizz299 : 10/12/2015 9:37 am : link
the arguement has never been that he's a good player. He's a contributor on special teams and he's a good backup.

Where's the argument here.? We're lucky to have him. He knows the system, he plays hard, he's a great back up.

The naivete that says we don't have depth ...doesn't get it...Jerry and Newhouse (soon), Reynolds, Herzy, all these guys are less than starters and shouldn't be judged as starters. They are superb back ups who can step in and bring a degree of competency.
The critics want Kennard's back up to be as good as Kennard, by definition that's not happening by cap restraints you don't even want that happening. Now I know that's a concept and the critics can't handle concepts...but you actually couldn't afford to have great backups...not and pay Eli and your real stars..it's always about finite resources and priorities.
RE: I am amazed at how some people  
Mdgiantsfan : 10/12/2015 9:38 am : link
In comment 12543824 jvm52106 said:
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view the play of backups. You act like we should have the next LT on the sidelines waiting for an injury to play. Hell, Andy Headen was an amazing LB'er but was a backup because we have All-World LB's starting ahead of him. Herzlich is a backup and that is it. He isn't great but for holy hell, give him some credit as he knows where to be and did make some plays.

if he were great he would be starting. Unga was a joke last night. You want to make judgments, judge him. He was completely lost numerous times. Herzlich does what he can with his limited athleticism and speed.

Great point! I was pleasantly surprised with his play last night. But you are so right, he is a backup and he did his job.
I like him, Herz is a pretty good LB... but  
Johnny5 : 10/12/2015 10:50 am : link
He has a very specific problem with his feet, that really hold him back.

He was noticeable out there  
jeff57 : 10/12/2015 10:51 am : link
But for the most part not for good reasons.
Carl Banks...  
BillKo : 10/12/2015 11:37 am : link
said on post game that Herz get too locked up with blockers and turned to the inside.

Banks then said, LOL, that he could talk to Herz for 5 minutes and get his issue resolved!! Thanks Carl!!

But he did say, he's a backup special teams player, and you're getting the most out of him that is possible.

He made a few nice plays  
Matt M. : 10/12/2015 11:48 am : link
which Collinsworth highlighted. But, overall, I thought he was pretty bad. He got locked up with a blocker on most plays and was slow getting to ball carriers. Even the plays he made were from taking a good angle; he didn't actually tackle the ball carrier.
Herzlich had a great game  
Jay on the Island : 10/12/2015 11:51 am : link
I watched him closely and anyone who says he was average or played poorly did not. He made several great plays in the running game where he didn't make the tackle but he pushed the OL or TE who was blocking him into the backfield disrupting the RB. It is evident that he was a poor fit at MLB as he has been effective at SLB. He is really an excellent run defender but he obviously struggles in coverage. He really has turned a corner since his move outside.
He makes Unga look like Usain Bolt  
Patrick77 : 10/12/2015 11:51 am : link
He has all the tools and instincts but gets there last, consistently. I didn't think he played any better or worse than he ever has.
I thought he had a good game.  
giantgiantfan : 10/12/2015 12:06 pm : link
I recall him running down two guys (Kap and Hyde) cause he was playing the edge correctly...
He is slow as stated  
chiro56 : 10/12/2015 12:11 pm : link
He is not Kennard.
He is a solid  
NJGiantFan84 : 10/12/2015 12:22 pm : link
Back up and played very well the first half. He was great at setting the edge and made some nice tackles for losses. His weaknesses started to get exposed in the second half when they started throwing the ball more. He also isnt used to the conditioning involved with playing so many downs and I think it showed at the end.

But he had a very good first half. People will never get over his play from a few years ago, but he is solid against the run and a great sT guy which makes him a solid back-up regardless of people thinking every team has six starting caliber LBs.
I agree  
The_Taxman : 10/12/2015 12:36 pm : link
He played well overall. He's a solid player. Nothing spectacular. He has his weaknesses which is coverage where he looks brutal at times. But on special teams, run defense, and being in position, he is a solid player. The hate for him, Kuhn, and Newhouse is pure idiocy. JT Thomas has been invisible and is just as slow as Herzlich for 4 times the money, yet nothing is said about that. But let's hate on a backup LB/special teamer who makes a mil. Lol. Like I said, pure idiocy.
RE: He makes Unga look like Usain Bolt  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2015 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12544482 Patrick77 said:


i thought this was pretty funny...
RE: RE: He makes Unga look like Usain Bolt  
Johnny5 : 10/12/2015 1:58 pm : link
In comment 12544752 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 12544482 Patrick77 said:


i thought this was pretty funny...

I agree, I definitely chuckled.
So kuhn and herzlich get significant snaps...  
Torrag : 10/12/2015 2:02 pm : link
...and we lost the battle at the LoS for the first time this season against a team without a weapon in the passing game. They both stink.
Herz is slow,  
Doomster : 10/12/2015 2:58 pm : link
there is no doubt about that....so he contains the edge by position, not because he overpowers the person in front of him.....

He did make some plays....he chased KAP to the left, and made him throw the ball away.....he made a few plays on runs...he was useless in pass defense, and he missed containing the edge several times...he is what he is.....
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