Andre Williams

He's not getting a lot of work and run blocking has been lacking

now that they're getting more comfortable with Vereen.

I could be wrong but it seems like most of William's carries are in short yardage.

between the run blocking not being great and Jennings/Vereen getting playing time over him. And they both deserve to be getting most of the reps since they've been very good lately. I think it just says more about the situation than it does about him as a player. But he's obviously the weakest of the three.

a good, tough, downhill runner. His vision is improving, as have his hands. Nobody said the guy is Adrian Peterson, but he's a valuable member of the backfield.

He will never be a solid first or second option in the run game, but he does add an element we need with our trio, and he plays that role decently.

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a good, tough, downhill runner. His vision is improving, as have his hands. Nobody said the guy is Adrian Peterson, but he's a valuable member of the backfield.

That's the thing. Where do you see the improvement? Maybe I'm missing it. I saw him miss holes vs Wash and Buf and the numbers are worse than his rookie year.

Plus, he had 14 carries vs Wash and 11 vs Buf. This week though, he barely played.

Or patience with his running. I long for the days where BJACK would just just will his way to fist downs on short yardage plays.

If he had to start a game. Would worry if he had to start 3 or 4.

granted the run blocking has been far from great, but he doesn't have burst and doesn't catch the ball well.

granted the run blocking has been far from great, but he doesn't have burst and doesn't catch the ball well.

What else can you judge a rb on? His looks?

He's 3rd on the pecking order for a reason. I'd think the Giants want more from him. If they were asking him to stay the course and not deviate from the projected hole and blocking that's one thing but I doubt it. I'll be kind and say you can do worse than Williams as your 3rd back, which is the truth. Until proven otherwise he's more or less a jag. Not a terrible draft pick and maybe he's yet to peak, it's possible....

Thank God for vereen. I'd address the position in the offseason.

He is an element this team really needs. Granted, we may not have Vereen, but we may not have needed him also.

And Vereen YPC arent that much better. Williams is a back who gets you a hard three, hard, four, hard three and eventually breaks one. He needs the carries to do that and get into a rhythm. I still think hell be a good back in the league. You see the flashes at times.

He is a mid 4th rd pick who is contributing to the team in his R year and now in his 2nd year.

There is a reason he was a 4th rd pick - he has limits - but he is useful to the team

been used in short yardage situations, and our OL just doesn't get almost any movement in those situations. I think the kid runs hard and isn't terrible at picking his holes, but often has few holes to hit. To me he'd be the kind of workhorse back who could grind out 30 carries behind a top OL, but isn't effective behind ours. He's nothing special, but his stats are not purely a function of his talent level.

. Not ready to right him off yet though. I'd like to see him break some tackles or make a guy miss.

At the moment, the Giants don't have an effective short yardage running game either at the goal or 3rd and short and that's true no matter who is in the game. Maybe it'll get better as the OL gets healthier and/or better. That said, I'd like to see the Giants get a comfortable lead coming down the stretch of a game and use Williams to run out the clock.

If/when he gets more resp we'll see if his vision and ability to set up his blocks has improved.

a third stringer for a reason. Has some strength, not much wiggle or explosiveness, but he has his role in short yardage.

But too few carries in different down & distance circumstances to say for sure. He's got to get better as a received to earn more snaps while Jennings and Vereen are healthy.

We really need to see what we have in Darkwa.

Plain and simple.
Today's nfl and in our west coast offense he is one dimensional- teams can sell out on him as he is zero threat in the flat-
Every carry he gets over Jennings or vereen is a waste- he's not a good goal line guy either just because he is big.

keep him fresh.

Why?

Darkwa is under contract for at least another year. They obviously like him and he is a good special teams player. He played every special teams snap and mph except had more snaps then Williams.

A RB next year. Jennings is getting up there. Vereen is set as theb3rd down spot back. Big need for a quicker guy. Should be a good one available in round 3

....run into a hole sideways as much as this guy does. It's bizarre.

But I suppose he'll do for limited duty

was improving in pass pro and receiving. 2 carries a qtr won't allow a guy like that to be effective. 3 in a game is just wasting him.

He will decrease the workload on Jennings, Vereen. Make them better.

He had an incredible college career that was never going to translate too well. The Giants overdrafted a guy from BC. Shocking. Having said that, he's done alright.

A comparatively high number of his carries come on 3rd & 1 or 3rd & 2 situations. It's not surprising the number is relatively low.

He's a role player and is doing OK. Needs to improve his blocking and receiving if he wants a larger role.

Chart. And all RBs should be a little different than the rest.

Happy to keep him as 3rd or 4th back for years to come.

that he simply sucks. He's got the physical tools but it seems like he has no idea how to find a hole.

when he's in there, the Giants are usually in a running formation, unlike when Jennings is in there and is often besides eli in the shotgun.

Yet, even with the defense keying on the run, Williams YPC isn't that much poorer than the other backs.

I do think he's limited, so his ceiling is lower than a lot of people expected. I don't think the blocking has been doing him (or any of the backs, for that matter) any favors. And the lack of carries hasn't helped his development, when he seems to remember to run straight up and keep his legs moving, he does well, but he has lapses there.

I do think he's got some value on the roster, but not sure he's ever going to amount to much more than we've seen, better run blocking or not.

I think its because he has a tendency to do a spin move or go sideways which takes away his power.

When he squares up his shoulders, he runs over fools, but more often then not he tries to do some fancy move he is not capable of at the NFL level and usually gets blasted.

Enough trying to get Andre a series or two in the midst of the game, Jennings is simply better.

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He will decrease the workload on Jennings, Vereen. Make them better. He had an incredible college career that was never going to translate too well. The Giants overdrafted a guy from BC. Shocking. Having said that, he's done alright.

Really, a 4th round pick for a guy who lead the nation in rushing as a senior and led his team in rushing as a rookie, 7 TDS, a long run of 50 and a few others of 25 or more is a reach? I'll bet Reese wishes had a lot more "reaches" like this in the 4th round. You guys with your idiotic favoritism rants are getting more ridiculous by the day.

were to go more right for him than they have so far.

I'm remembering the timeline right, they had long hired McAdoo when they drafted him too.

Our last couple of great RB's were drafted in the 4th and 7th rounds, respectively, and only saw spot duty for awhile.

They turned out pretty well.

he's the third best guy we have and that's not too bad, really.

is for RB's lately. You have situational and rotational committees on a lot of teams. That's the purpose Williams serves right now. He's an adequate goal line back and he can give Jennings a breather for a series or two.

Even if he isn't better than Jennings, keeping him fresh and reducing the liklihood of a nagging injury has a lot of value to this team. If Jennings goes down, that puts a limit on the offense.

at that spot in the draft with his collegiate record. But it appears he cannot adjust to being anything more than a straight ahead battering ram who does not catch the ball well. Guy works hard and that means lot, so maybe he develops yet.

That's the thing. Where do you see the improvement? Maybe I'm missing it. I saw him miss holes vs Wash and Buf and the numbers are worse than his rookie year.


Were they really holes, or were they cracks?

I agree, he has been used mainly as the short yardage back, which does not bode well for ypc......

This OL, can open up a hole here and there, especially when the defense thinks we are going to pass.....but it CANNOT run, when it needs to run....and too many drives are stopped, because we must have balance....

Been a long time since we had a good every down back, that could stay on the field......

Vereen has been a good addition to this offense.....Amazing how Belichick replaces him, with a guy that may even be better, at 1/4 the price....

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nd too many drives are stopped, because we must have balance....

If we MUST have balance then why the fuck is Eli throwing the ball 54 times?

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Quote: nd too many drives are stopped, because we must have balance.... If we MUST have balance then why the fuck is Eli throwing the ball 54 times?

You just have to accept there are stupid people in this world.

In comment 12546294 LauderdaleMatty said:

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A RB next year. Jennings is getting up there. Vereen is set as theb3rd down spot back. Big need for a quicker guy. Should be a good one available in round 3

Totally agree. We need that bell cow RB. Someone that can reliably get 4 yards a carry and break off a few big ones in the process. I thought Williams would be that guy, however he hasn't shown a lot of that lately. Jennings is also getting older and would probably be an acceptable back up and vet presence.

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Quote: nd too many drives are stopped, because we must have balance.... If we MUST have balance then why the fuck is Eli throwing the ball 54 times?

crickets

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I think its because he has a tendency to do a spin move or go sideways which takes away his power. When he squares up his shoulders, he runs over fools, but more often then not he tries to do some fancy move he is not capable of at the NFL level and usually gets blasted.

U really seeing that THIS YEAR? Or recalling from last year? I've watched every min of every game this year, and though there's s lot less evidence this far, I'd swear the spinning, dancing sideways etc is much less this year so far.

he stinks, but he is also a nightmare fit in a west coast offense. not sure why reese drafted him given the offense we were using

Jennings has a history of missing time after heavy workloads. If the Giants want to have Jennings throughout the season, Williams needs to carry the ball about 1/3 of the time, IMO.

But who knows, maybe Williams looks bad in practice and the coaches have no faith in him, except for goal line? I hope that's not the case.