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NFT: 1st Democratic National Debate: 830 CNN

dep026 : 10/13/2015 2:26 pm
Anyone watching? Interested? Obviously this is a two person debate tonight with 3 others joining. Curious to see HC take on the TPP questions. I am sure her emails/Benghazi will be brought up ad nausum, but the TPP has me interested.
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RE: I'm not quite sure  
santacruzom : 10/13/2015 6:45 pm : link
In comment 12547567 RIZZBIZZ said:
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What's wrong with a HRC nomination? She's the most vetted candidate in history, she'll have the best advisor of our generation, she's super smart and has a set of balls on her. A little shady? Perhaps , what politician isn't .


Most people I know who aren't enthused about Hillary think of her as an opportunistic hawk. I feel like she tends to represent her positions based upon what's politically prudent at the time, and without the need to do so as President, she'd be a little scary to me.
Fatman, OF COURSE most Republicans do not discuss...  
manh george : 10/13/2015 6:51 pm : link
things like climate change by starting off with the phrase, "I'm not a scientist, but..."

The point is that nearly all--if not all--of the Republican candidates for the Presidency say EXACTLY THAT, and the Republican voters let them get away with it.

Same goes with letting the Freedom Caucus bully the House of Representatives. No, most Republicans aren't that far to the right, and don't want to see a default on US debt, for example. But they don't squeal all that loudly when 40 or so members of the House hold the other 395 hostage to their demands.

Let's see if they can maintain their really obnoxious list of demands and actually get someone closer to the center of gravity of the Republican party--which is still pretty conservative, like Ryan--to go along with them.

Doubtful.
RE: Everything about her is irritating and annoying  
buford : 10/13/2015 6:53 pm : link
In comment 12547797 WideRight said:
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She's a completely unlike-able person.

But when it comes to poitics, the only reason why you hate her is because she does not representing your views or your interests. This will probably be 47% of the country, or about 150 million people. That's alot of hate.


I don't agree much with Bernie Sanders, but I think he's a decent person and I certainly don't hate him.
There is a flap right now...  
Dunedin81 : 10/13/2015 7:08 pm : link
over whether Anderson Cooper was ever a member of the Clinton Global Initiative. Cooper, who will moderate the debate, dismissed it as "total bunk" but he was apparently listed as a past member on the CGI website.
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Well I'm gonna watch the debate tomorrow, since the Mets  
Deej : 10/13/2015 7:22 pm : link
are in the playoffs. Priorities.
RE: There is a flap right now...  
mdc1 : 10/13/2015 7:23 pm : link
In comment 12547887 Dunedin81 said:
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over whether Anderson Cooper was ever a member of the Clinton Global Initiative. Cooper, who will moderate the debate, dismissed it as "total bunk" but he was apparently listed as a past member on the CGI website. Link - ( New Window )


I think that hack on ABC George Stephannoplis was as well. Would love to see some of those hidden emails, I'll bet it has some names on there that some do not want to see the light of day.
RE: RE: There is a flap right now...  
Dunedin81 : 10/13/2015 7:35 pm : link
In comment 12547911 mdc1 said:
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In comment 12547887 Dunedin81 said:


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over whether Anderson Cooper was ever a member of the Clinton Global Initiative. Cooper, who will moderate the debate, dismissed it as "total bunk" but he was apparently listed as a past member on the CGI website. Link - ( New Window )



I think that hack on ABC George Stephannoplis was as well. Would love to see some of those hidden emails, I'll bet it has some names on there that some do not want to see the light of day.


I don't particularly dislike either one of them. However, the notion that many in that class of hosts and journalists and agenda-setters have both ideological affinity and some express ties to prominent Democrats, including the presumptive nominee, is not a figment of the Republican imagination. "Yes but Fox News!" Fox News is a caricature, as was MSNBC before their recent changes. ABC and CNN and CBS are ostensibly objective outlets. Do we expect them to hold feet to fire if they do have these ties?
Well whatever  
Deej : 10/13/2015 8:14 pm : link
the media has the dem candidate under the microscope in a very critical way. Conservatives whining about "the media" has always struck me as meek and small, but this year in particular it is just hollow.
And if you want to talk about media bias  
Deej : 10/13/2015 8:16 pm : link
there is a massive media bias towards hawkishness in foreign policy. Bombing something = leadership. So that favors the Republicans.
RE: And if you want to talk about media bias  
dep026 : 10/13/2015 8:17 pm : link
In comment 12548003 Deej said:
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there is a massive media bias towards hawkishness in foreign policy. Bombing something = leadership. So that favors the Republicans.


If the republicans wanted to bomb jerry world or the linc, ill be all for it!!!!
Maybe so (maybe no)...  
Dunedin81 : 10/13/2015 8:24 pm : link
but if you want to start talking about media bias on certain issues there are a handful on which the narrative is extremely biased, most notably the A word.
RE: RE: And if you want to talk about media bias  
Deej : 10/13/2015 8:25 pm : link
In comment 12548004 dep026 said:
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there is a massive media bias towards hawkishness in foreign policy. Bombing something = leadership. So that favors the Republicans.



If the republicans wanted to bomb jerry world or the linc, ill be all for it!!!!


And yet when Obama tried to do that in Jade Helm 15, everyone got all upset.
In what world is the media in the tank  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2015 8:32 pm : link
For HRC? If anything, they've been more critical of her than any other candidate.
Fashion critque  
buford : 10/13/2015 8:41 pm : link
Hillary's jacket is about a foot too long.
Lincoln Chaffee.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2015 8:49 pm : link
I think he's got a real shot at the nomination...
RE: Lincoln Chaffee.  
dep026 : 10/13/2015 8:53 pm : link
In comment 12548049 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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I think he's got a real shot at the nomination...


His smile is even creepier than jared from subway.
I like O'Malley.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2015 8:55 pm : link
If it wasn't for Bernie, he'd be the one nipping at HRC's heels.
She's going to heal the divides?  
Peter in Atl : 10/13/2015 9:00 pm : link
I thought that's what Obama ran on.
Cooper  
dep026 : 10/13/2015 9:02 pm : link
comes out with the home run question. Hilary, dodges.
Bush ran in '00 on healing the divisions.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2015 9:05 pm : link
Not really a stinging charge nowadays.
I love Bernie.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2015 9:06 pm : link
No shot in hell, but has a message & sticks to it with his Brooklyn accent.
RE: I like O'Malley.  
mdc1 : 10/13/2015 9:08 pm : link
In comment 12548059 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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If it wasn't for Bernie, he'd be the one nipping at HRC's heels.


As someone who had him as a governor, no you do not. The damage he caused we are still cleaning up.
He can do nationally what he did  
buford : 10/13/2015 9:09 pm : link
in Baltimore!
O'Malley  
buford : 10/13/2015 9:11 pm : link
could single handedly cure the nation of insomnia.
RE: O'Malley  
mdc1 : 10/13/2015 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12548098 buford said:
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could single handedly cure the nation of insomnia.


He was so f'ing bad corporations actually left the state over to virginia and all the traffic patterns changed against existing highway improvements around the beltway and 270. That is just scratching the surface of what that fucking moron did.
HRC going after The Bern  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2015 9:14 pm : link
on guns.
RE: HRC going after The Bern  
dep026 : 10/13/2015 9:15 pm : link
In comment 12548112 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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on guns.


After she said she wouldnt throw candidates in the mud.... it took less than 30 minutes for her just to do that....
Cooper is lobbing softballs at HRC  
EricJ : 10/13/2015 9:17 pm : link
while he is asking tough questions of the others. Why am I not surprised.
The Bern is on the wrong side of  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2015 9:18 pm : link
the party on the issue of guns.
RE: RE: HRC going after The Bern  
Deej : 10/13/2015 9:19 pm : link
In comment 12548123 dep026 said:
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on guns.



After she said she wouldnt throw candidates in the mud.... it took less than 30 minutes for her just to do that....


Not watching yet but checking in. Define "mud". Did she say that Sanders fathered a black pistol out of wedlock? Or disagree on policy/past vote?
RE: The Bern is on the wrong side of  
dep026 : 10/13/2015 9:20 pm : link
In comment 12548130 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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the party on the issue of guns.


His reasoning is right. Why punish manufactures or sellers if they sell guns to mentally sane/law abiding citizens who go out and do stupid things?

Should we do the same to beer distributors when people get drunk and kill people on the roads?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dune  
mdc1 : 10/13/2015 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12547766 njm said:
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Let me just ask this -- what are the sources for Hillary being this vile and wretched human? I hear it all the time from the right, and even from some on the left. Who are the people that have actually dealt with her who are coming out and saying "my dealings with HRC demonstrate that she is just awful and terrible". That has always been my disconnect. Rush Limbaugh hates her. Breitbart hates her. The whole ed/op-ed page of the NY Times hates her. But where does it come from? The amount of amateur psychoanalyzing of her is really astounding. It has astounded me for 20 years.



Interesting Vanity Fair piece on Hillary. As opposed to vile and wretched, it suggests an almost maniacal obsession with secrecy and privacy along with demands for total loyalty (which are returned). Sounds vaguely like Nixon to me. Link - ( New Window )


The funny thing about the emails are that during the Clinton term there was a whole investigation into their email servers during the Lewinkski thing and they apparently lost or deleted emails. Kind of funny as this was a case study for many ethics courses in universities. These actions and behavior are not something new for them and systemic. I'll bet the reason the FBI has this in its special handling teams are that it probably has many things as well as classified information they do not want to get out in open. Could be damaging to many people.
Sanders  
Mr. Nickels : 10/13/2015 9:23 pm : link
making a fool of O Malley
Webb on guns...  
Dunedin81 : 10/13/2015 9:24 pm : link
temporarily has the three Republican viewers considering casting Democratic primary votes.
Hillary asked about her vote on Iraq  
dep026 : 10/13/2015 9:26 pm : link
doesnt answer it.
RE: RE: The Bern is on the wrong side of  
Deej : 10/13/2015 9:29 pm : link
In comment 12548134 dep026 said:
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the party on the issue of guns.



His reasoning is right. Why punish manufactures or sellers if they sell guns to mentally sane/law abiding citizens who go out and do stupid things?

Should we do the same to beer distributors when people get drunk and kill people on the roads?


But if they did that there wouldnt be liability. So you wouldnt need to give them immunity.

The only argument for immunity I think is the fear that gun mfrs would be subject to unending frivolous litigation, which imposes some costs. Immunity would let those cases get dismissed very early. However, it is a very broad remedy and there are more limited things you could do (e.g. heightened pleading requirements). Every industry could benefit from immunity from prosecution; but the gun lobby is very rich/powerful, so they get it when others dont.
RE: Webb on guns...  
buford : 10/13/2015 9:31 pm : link
In comment 12548142 Dunedin81 said:
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temporarily has the three Republican viewers considering casting Democratic primary votes.


Best answer from anyone in any party.
RE: In what world is the media in the tank  
Mason : 10/13/2015 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12548025 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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For HRC? If anything, they've been more critical of her than any other candidate.


Assad's invasion of Syria...  
Dunedin81 : 10/13/2015 9:32 pm : link
O'Malley is a non-starter. Biden went from six to midnight.
Just saw this on Twitter  
buford : 10/13/2015 9:33 pm : link
Trump/Webb 2016.
Anderson Cooper  
dep026 : 10/13/2015 9:34 pm : link
has no control over these debates. He lets Hillary speak as long as she wants. Then talks back to Webb.
Really like Webb  
Mr. Nickels : 10/13/2015 9:35 pm : link
but i can't see the Dems letting him get the nomination.

I have a feeling it's O'Malley or Biden
What about the genocide in  
buford : 10/13/2015 9:35 pm : link
Syria Hillary?
You really want Bernie going toe to toe with Putin?  
Dunedin81 : 10/13/2015 9:39 pm : link
"he regrets what he's doing."
...  
ilikethenygiants : 10/13/2015 9:39 pm : link
Two things. 1, it seems like the purpose of this debate is to get them to attack one another. 2, it should just be a nice conversation between HRC and Sanders rather than a debate. The 'debate' aspect is silly.
Just flipped over  
Deej : 10/13/2015 9:42 pm : link
looks like each candidate was given 7 seconds to state what the biggest national security threat is. Good grief. A fucking sentence.
RE: Just flipped over  
Mr. Nickels : 10/13/2015 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12548190 Deej said:
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looks like each candidate was given 7 seconds to state what the biggest national security threat is. Good grief. A fucking sentence.


I know why rush through the most important question one can ask of a presidential candidate to get to commercials?
The conscientious objector insists he isn't a pacifist...  
Dunedin81 : 10/13/2015 9:44 pm : link
and is ready to take the country into war
Webb is killing this debate  
Mason : 10/13/2015 9:46 pm : link
Sanders is not only holding his own but surprising me with his straight answers. O'Malley started off slow, I thought he would come out like gangbusters. Is Hillary going to participate? These short answers. Like she doesn't even want to get involve.
I cant vote for Sanders  
Deej : 10/13/2015 9:46 pm : link
he's not a credible candidate. Angry grandpa with angry grandpa answers for the problems of the day. But there is no way he is our nominee.
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