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NFT: Dodgers at Mets: Game 4

Canton : 10/13/2015 2:41 pm
@Mets: NLDS Game 4 Lineup:

@cgrand3 RF
#DavidWright 3B
Murphy 2B
@ynscspds LF
d�Arnaud C
Duda 1B
Flores SS
@juanlagares2 CF
@Smatz88 P

#LGM



Let's close this out tonight at home! How special would that be..
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Swing harder guys !!  
EricJ : 10/13/2015 10:58 pm : link
you can knock in 2 runs with one swing !
Fucking weak ass  
RodneyHamp : 10/13/2015 10:58 pm : link
Shit.
godfuckingdammit  
GMenLTS : 10/13/2015 10:58 pm : link
hope we can get another gem from jake

fuck chase utley and the mlb
Duda has been absolutely awful  
PhiPsi125 : 10/13/2015 10:58 pm : link
What a no-show
Fucking pathetic offensive performance tonight  
Giants4246 : 10/13/2015 10:59 pm : link
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that sucked donkey dick  
GMenLTS : 10/13/2015 10:59 pm : link
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RE: Duda has been absolutely awful  
Giants4246 : 10/13/2015 10:59 pm : link
In comment 12548428 PhiPsi125 said:
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What a no-show


He's been a fucking bum
Wright has fallen off a cliff as well  
Canton : 10/13/2015 11:00 pm : link
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nothing better than  
pjcas18 : 10/13/2015 11:01 pm : link
an elimination game in sports.

I like our chances with deGrom
Cespedes and d'Arnaud with embarrassing AB's in the 9th  
Rob in Rockaway : 10/13/2015 11:01 pm : link
both morons trying to hit 3 run HR's with no one on base. Murphy was our chance in the 8th and he just missed. I had zero faith in the 9th inning lineup.
Darling said the Mets stuck out 46 times in 4 games...  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/13/2015 11:01 pm : link
...ouch!

Oh well, they play better on the road anyway.
Oh well, it'll just be that much sweeter on Thursday.  
glowrider : 10/13/2015 11:04 pm : link
Good game. We had our chances.

This is why Game 3 is so important.
RE: Wright has fallen off a cliff as well  
PhiPsi125 : 10/13/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12548434 Canton said:
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At least he can work out plenty of walks and has been a part of some key moments because he can get on base.

Duda is 2 for 15 with 9 Ks and 1 BB. He sucks.
Well that sucks  
moespree : 10/13/2015 11:04 pm : link
Not going to be easy to win there. But it's not like they can't. If there is any advantage to be had for the Mets it's Grienke has no real backup if he falters, deGrom has Syndergaard.
Mets hitters were overanxious  
Vanzetti : 10/13/2015 11:07 pm : link
Kershaw was terrific and can do that to hitters. But guys were upper-cutting way too much. You have to just try and hit linedrives. Murphy's final AB was a perfect example. That's not his two-strike swing. He was trying to jack it and that's why he got underneath it. That was a fat pitch right over the middle of the plate.

Same thing with Conforto in his one AB. Travis is just frustrated and swinging frustrated. That was a truly terrible AB in the ninth. Jansen could see how he was swinging and just kept throwing high fastballs.

Need to do a better job in game 5
We had such a great approach at the plate overall in game 1  
GMenLTS : 10/13/2015 11:09 pm : link
and we basically forgot exactly how to do that again tonight.

Kershaw pitched well but he wasn't unhittable.
Lets  
spike : 10/13/2015 11:11 pm : link
Finish it on Thursday.

And bean utley
I agree the Muprhy at bat in the 8th was poor  
moespree : 10/13/2015 11:12 pm : link
Especially on a 3-2 count with 2 out. Runners were in motion. Better than decent chance because of that Wright could score from 1st on a basehit. Murphy went for the 4-3 lead though and got under it. Poor decision.
RE: Well that sucks  
glowrider : 10/13/2015 11:15 pm : link
In comment 12548445 moespree said:
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Not going to be easy to win there. But it's not like they can't. If there is any advantage to be had for the Mets it's Grienke has no real backup if he falters, deGrom has Syndergaard.


That just sounds bad ass - deGrom has Syndergaard.

Tonight, not pretty, but the pitching was there. What could you expect more from Matz? He let up 3 but limited the damage. Colon is such a stud. So's Kershaw. Once he got that curve ball in for strikes...he's a phenomenal pitcher.
Pedro and Sheff criticizing Met hitters for not stepping out  
Vanzetti : 10/13/2015 11:18 pm : link
Pedro in particular saying you can't let Kershaw set the tempo like that. Dusty Baker agrees, especially at home. Step out let the crowd noise build. Murphy was the only one who did that, according to Dusty

Can you guys get the TBS postgame in NY?  
Vanzetti : 10/13/2015 11:20 pm : link
If so, I would listen. These guys are terrific. Great analysis
RE: We had such a great approach at the plate overall in game 1  
Vanzetti : 10/13/2015 11:23 pm : link
In comment 12548451 GMenLTS said:
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and we basically forgot exactly how to do that again tonight.

Kershaw pitched well but he wasn't unhittable.


He had quite a few hanging breaking balls. Some of them were high and out of the zone, but RH can hit those if they time them. But the Mets hitters were off balance all night. He is a great pitcher no doubt. But I agree he was not unhittable.
I think we win on Friday  
Vanzetti : 10/13/2015 11:26 pm : link
Matz and Thor are still a bit raw. They have to take control of the game and know when to break from the gameplan.

Degrom is different. He knows what he wants to throw and I think he will be dominant with the extra day of rest.
Vanzetti  
PA Giant Fan : 10/13/2015 11:26 pm : link
Correct. Thought the same thing. I think it was Wright that he really hung one but you can get away with it when you have his stuff.
One Final Thought  
Vanzetti : 10/13/2015 11:30 pm : link
We can bicker sometimes on BBI Mets threads, but you guys are all great fans.

Exchanging posts has definitely made this season more exciting.

Here's to victory in Game!!!

Even if we don't pull this out  
Canton : 10/13/2015 11:32 pm : link
Our young pitchers are gaining invaluable experience. They will be hungry next year to get back. This is critical learning for our young staff.

We have quite a few years to make some noise.

With that said, I still want a taste of the NLCS again.
I can't imagine anyone  
SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 12:31 am : link
is really surprised at the large number of strikeouts in 4 games when 3 of those were against 2 guys with a combined 501ks in 454 innings. Right?
With the Dodgers injuries  
Vanzetti : 10/14/2015 12:38 am : link
Mets have a more talented roster. They should win. Five game series tips the balance somewhat because the Dodgers can throw their two very good starters twice. But Mets have so much more depth. They should prevail.
Kershaw was Kershaw  
RasputinPrime : 10/14/2015 12:46 am : link
but the bubble has to pop on Greinke.
RE: With the Dodgers injuries  
SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 1:04 am : link
In comment 12548534 Vanzetti said:
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Mets have a more talented roster. They should win. Five game series tips the balance somewhat because the Dodgers can throw their two very good starters twice. But Mets have so much more depth. They should prevail.


See but tonight was a textbook example of why the idea is to get into the dance. And in a 5 game series, not only is it somewhat a toss up in most of these even without these guys but when both teams can send out pitchers who can shut down any lineup and make any hitter look bad, its really almost irrelevant who has depth. The only thing that matters is whether that night's ace has his stuff going. Momentum doesn't matter, runs scored the prior game doesn't matter, home field doesn't matter. You've seen it now in our series and you've seen it in every other one, every year. However especially in this one, it's impossible to have any idea what will happen. The only time either team will be really successful at the plate is if the guy on the mound doesn't have his location or makes a couple mistakes that lead to homers. Otherwise just pray for some errors and hope you can get pitch counts high quicker than the other team
It was a very disappointing loss,  
Ira : 10/14/2015 5:55 am : link
and we're facing an equally good pitcher in LA, but it's not over yet. So, I'm not ready to start thinking about next season. Let's go Mets!
RE: I can't imagine anyone  
ZGiants98 : 10/14/2015 7:56 am : link
In comment 12548531 SethFromAstoria said:
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is really surprised at the large number of strikeouts in 4 games when 3 of those were against 2 guys with a combined 501ks in 454 innings. Right?


Amen. People are really citing K numbers and batting averages in a 5 games series facing Kershaw and Greinke two times a piece?? Really?? You mean a couple guys have struggled???? SHOCKER.
Really praying we don't  
ZGiants98 : 10/14/2015 7:57 am : link
spend the entire offseason talking about that Utley interference play and what life could have been had they made the correct call.....
Getting Kershawed by Kershaw is  
Headhunter : 10/14/2015 8:09 am : link
something that happens. He is the best pitcher on planet earth and there is disappointment but no disgrace. Thursday heroes or bums will be made in Met lore.
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GiantFilthy : 10/14/2015 8:15 am : link
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ZGiants98 : 7:56 am : link : reply
Amen. People are really citing K numbers and batting averages in a 5 games series facing Kershaw and Greinke two times a piece?? Really?? You mean a couple guys have struggled???? SHOCKER.


People should be talking more about how the hell Murphy smacked two dingers off of Kershaw more than they should about the K's.
Thursday in Yiddish is  
Headhunter : 10/14/2015 8:44 am : link
Tuchas on der tisch
The one time we faced  
ZGiants98 : 10/14/2015 8:55 am : link
a good, not super powered freak of nature, our lineup exploded for 13 runs. We knew this would be tough. Whining about 3-4 game samples is pathetic.
This loss still hurts  
Canton : 10/14/2015 10:42 am : link
I wanted to see them clinch it at home. Matz should hold his head high. We only got him one run. He can't shoulder the blame.
RE: This loss still hurts  
schabadoo : 10/14/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12549024 Canton said:
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I wanted to see them clinch it at home. Matz should hold his head high. We only got him one run. He can't shoulder the blame.


That curveball to Kershaw is reminding me of Wohlers getting beat on his third pitch to Leyritz.
I can't blame the pitching  
ZGiants98 : 10/14/2015 10:54 am : link
Or the hitters last night. We got Clayton Kershaw'd. It was bound to happen eventually. We should have won game two and seized that opportunity but the umps fucked us. Let's hope this series isn't remembered by that play. Greinke is arguably the best pitcher in baseball this year and he's home where the Dodgers never lose. I can't see a more difficult game/situation amongst the remaining teams if we move on. This is the biggest challenge we could ever possibly imagine.
RE: The one time we faced  
PhiPsi125 : 10/14/2015 10:58 am : link
In comment 12548728 ZGiants98 said:
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a good, not super powered freak of nature, our lineup exploded for 13 runs. We knew this would be tough. Whining about 3-4 game samples is pathetic.


I really don't understand the need to attack your fellow fans because some may complain about certain players that have vastly underperformed. Duda has been straight trash. Wright crushes lefties but has been held to one hit in four games (although he has walked a bunch). Except for one game, TdA has been awful. Yes, we are facing great pitchers...I understand that. Everybody complains about something, even you.
Eh, I do place blame on the hitters. The pitching was good  
PhiPsi125 : 10/14/2015 11:04 am : link
enough to win. The mets went away from their game plan and it hurt them. Kershaw is great, no doubt, but on three days rest we had an opportunity to hit him. The hitters did nothing to get him out of rhythm and they were all trying to hit the 5 run HR. You watch the Dodgers and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM stepped out of the box. All game, every game. It's the little things that allow you to win a game while only scoring 3 runs. I'm not surprised they weren't coached that way.
RE: RE: The one time we faced  
ZGiants98 : 10/14/2015 11:15 am : link
In comment 12549100 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 12548728 ZGiants98 said:


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a good, not super powered freak of nature, our lineup exploded for 13 runs. We knew this would be tough. Whining about 3-4 game samples is pathetic.



I really don't understand the need to attack your fellow fans because some may complain about certain players that have vastly underperformed. Duda has been straight trash. Wright crushes lefties but has been held to one hit in four games (although he has walked a bunch). Except for one game, TdA has been awful. Yes, we are facing great pitchers...I understand that. Everybody complains about something, even you.


As long as you can identify it as simply complaining and not anything of merit. I get the need to voice frustration, even if it's misplaced. Also people clearly have biases against certain players. For you, you are going to rip Duda every chance you get, while Wright who has been worst, and has had the more favorable pitching matchups, we aren't likely to hear a peep about. It's all good, but it becomes pretty predictable and grating. You're right though. I have my targets too. I guess we all do. I actually think Wright and Duda have taken some pretty good atbats this series, TDA obviously had s huge night in game 3. We've played 4 games. Thinking a few guys wouldn't struggle against Kershaw/Greinke 4 out of 5 times is pretty asinine IMO.
RE: Eh, I do place blame on the hitters. The pitching was good  
ZGiants98 : 10/14/2015 11:19 am : link
In comment 12549120 PhiPsi125 said:
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enough to win. The mets went away from their game plan and it hurt them. Kershaw is great, no doubt, but on three days rest we had an opportunity to hit him. The hitters did nothing to get him out of rhythm and they were all trying to hit the 5 run HR. You watch the Dodgers and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM stepped out of the box. All game, every game. It's the little things that allow you to win a game while only scoring 3 runs. I'm not surprised they weren't coached that way.


I don't know about that. I mean did you see Kershaw last night? The short day rest excuse doesn't really fly anymore. He was as dominant as I've ever seen him. The game plan WAS to take pitches and get him out of there. Wright has admitted this. Well guess what? Kershaw started every damn hitter off with strike one while they watched the pitch go by. Plan foiled. Advantage? The great Clayton Edward Kershaw.
Kershaw's  
Metnut : 10/14/2015 11:21 am : link
fastball avg. velocity last night was the highest of all of his starts this season. It doesn't mean that the Mets shouldn't have stepped out of the box a bit more or, or that they couldn't have scratched a few runs off of him in such a big spot, but saying that he wasn't 100% because of 3-days rest is just not the case here.
RE: Kershaw's  
ZGiants98 : 10/14/2015 11:23 am : link
In comment 12549185 Metnut said:
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fastball avg. velocity last night was the highest of all of his starts this season. It doesn't mean that the Mets shouldn't have stepped out of the box a bit more or, or that they couldn't have scratched a few runs off of him in such a big spot, but saying that he wasn't 100% because of 3-days rest is just not the case here.


Agreed. He was fired up and as on as on could be.
Z, last night was the first time I complained about Duda and  
PhiPsi125 : 10/14/2015 11:33 am : link
I made a whopping to comments citing his awful stats. I also mentioned that DW hasn't been great either so your claim about that holds no water.

And for what it's worth, DW has not been worse than Duda. Duda has exactly ONE extra hit while striking out the majority of his ABs ( and only 1 BB). DW hasn't been great but at least he's been getting on base at a decent clip bc of walks and been in the thick of the scoring. You praised Granderson all season for his ability to generate walks while not hitting as much...DW doesn't get the same benefit?

Yes, I'm aware it's a small sample size playing only 4 games...but that's what we've got. We've had an entire season for sample sizes, now we need to get it going. You miss the point of my post. I said that Kershaw was great. But we did nothing to disrupt Kershaws rhythm. We sat in the box and waited to swing for the fences. Like I said, and Pedro said last night, we should have been stepping out more like the Dodgers. I don't like it but it makes sense. Oh well, on to the next.
RE: Kershaw's  
PhiPsi125 : 10/14/2015 11:36 am : link
In comment 12549185 Metnut said:
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fastball avg. velocity last night was the highest of all of his starts this season. It doesn't mean that the Mets shouldn't have stepped out of the box a bit more or, or that they couldn't have scratched a few runs off of him in such a big spot, but saying that he wasn't 100% because of 3-days rest is just not the case here.


I never said he wasn't 100%. But pitching on three days rest isn't something a pitcher normally does. We see with our own Matt Harvey how it can affect pitchers if you change their routine. Darling talks about it all the time. I don't think it was a stretch to think he might have been less effective or prone to mistakes while on short rest. Create create create. It's been my gripe with the coaching staff all year. It may have changed nothing. But at least you try.
Baseball is a game of inches  
PhiPsi125 : 10/14/2015 11:40 am : link
If Wright, Flores, and Murphy all moved the other way 6 inches then we probably get out of that inning with zero runs and win the game 1-0.

They found the holes and had their inning. Our pitching was pretty darn good yesterday. Theirs was better.
I was never defending Duda  
ZGiants98 : 10/14/2015 11:49 am : link
Over Wright. Just pointing out how some like to do exactly that. I also wasn't targeting you. There are people here that will jump on certain players every chance they get. I'm sure you you've witnessed the Wright bashers, Flores bashers, ect. For you... That seems to be Duda. Last year, it was Granderson. I don't see how Duda is "trash". He had a very nice, albeit streaky year, and actually finished hitting well. He's faced almost all lefthanders so far so it's not surprising he's struck out a lot.

Our lineup is arguably the best in the entire league. It is what it is. All 8 players have played their part in getting us to this point. Dissecting 3-4 game samples in baseball will always be stupid. I could care less who is hitting .300 or who is 0-11 over 3 games. These are all important players and we need to find a way to get runs across any way we can. Trashing and spitting all over our players is just annoying IMO. especially the good ones.
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