both morons trying to hit 3 run HR's with no one on base. Murphy was our chance in the 8th and he just missed. I had zero faith in the 9th inning lineup.
Darling said the Mets stuck out 46 times in 4 games...
Not going to be easy to win there. But it's not like they can't. If there is any advantage to be had for the Mets it's Grienke has no real backup if he falters, deGrom has Syndergaard.
Kershaw was terrific and can do that to hitters. But guys were upper-cutting way too much. You have to just try and hit linedrives. Murphy's final AB was a perfect example. That's not his two-strike swing. He was trying to jack it and that's why he got underneath it. That was a fat pitch right over the middle of the plate.
Same thing with Conforto in his one AB. Travis is just frustrated and swinging frustrated. That was a truly terrible AB in the ninth. Jansen could see how he was swinging and just kept throwing high fastballs.
Need to do a better job in game 5
We had such a great approach at the plate overall in game 1
Especially on a 3-2 count with 2 out. Runners were in motion. Better than decent chance because of that Wright could score from 1st on a basehit. Murphy went for the 4-3 lead though and got under it. Poor decision.
Not going to be easy to win there. But it's not like they can't. If there is any advantage to be had for the Mets it's Grienke has no real backup if he falters, deGrom has Syndergaard.
That just sounds bad ass - deGrom has Syndergaard.
Tonight, not pretty, but the pitching was there. What could you expect more from Matz? He let up 3 but limited the damage. Colon is such a stud. So's Kershaw. Once he got that curve ball in for strikes...he's a phenomenal pitcher.
Pedro and Sheff criticizing Met hitters for not stepping out
Pedro in particular saying you can't let Kershaw set the tempo like that. Dusty Baker agrees, especially at home. Step out let the crowd noise build. Murphy was the only one who did that, according to Dusty
and we basically forgot exactly how to do that again tonight.
Kershaw pitched well but he wasn't unhittable.
He had quite a few hanging breaking balls. Some of them were high and out of the zone, but RH can hit those if they time them. But the Mets hitters were off balance all night. He is a great pitcher no doubt. But I agree he was not unhittable.
Mets have a more talented roster. They should win. Five game series tips the balance somewhat because the Dodgers can throw their two very good starters twice. But Mets have so much more depth. They should prevail.
Mets have a more talented roster. They should win. Five game series tips the balance somewhat because the Dodgers can throw their two very good starters twice. But Mets have so much more depth. They should prevail.
See but tonight was a textbook example of why the idea is to get into the dance. And in a 5 game series, not only is it somewhat a toss up in most of these even without these guys but when both teams can send out pitchers who can shut down any lineup and make any hitter look bad, its really almost irrelevant who has depth. The only thing that matters is whether that night's ace has his stuff going. Momentum doesn't matter, runs scored the prior game doesn't matter, home field doesn't matter. You've seen it now in our series and you've seen it in every other one, every year. However especially in this one, it's impossible to have any idea what will happen. The only time either team will be really successful at the plate is if the guy on the mound doesn't have his location or makes a couple mistakes that lead to homers. Otherwise just pray for some errors and hope you can get pitch counts high quicker than the other team
is really surprised at the large number of strikeouts in 4 games when 3 of those were against 2 guys with a combined 501ks in 454 innings. Right?
Amen. People are really citing K numbers and batting averages in a 5 games series facing Kershaw and Greinke two times a piece?? Really?? You mean a couple guys have struggled???? SHOCKER.
something that happens. He is the best pitcher on planet earth and there is disappointment but no disgrace. Thursday heroes or bums will be made in Met lore.
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Amen. People are really citing K numbers and batting averages in a 5 games series facing Kershaw and Greinke two times a piece?? Really?? You mean a couple guys have struggled???? SHOCKER.
People should be talking more about how the hell Murphy smacked two dingers off of Kershaw more than they should about the K's.
Or the hitters last night. We got Clayton Kershaw'd. It was bound to happen eventually. We should have won game two and seized that opportunity but the umps fucked us. Let's hope this series isn't remembered by that play. Greinke is arguably the best pitcher in baseball this year and he's home where the Dodgers never lose. I can't see a more difficult game/situation amongst the remaining teams if we move on. This is the biggest challenge we could ever possibly imagine.
a good, not super powered freak of nature, our lineup exploded for 13 runs. We knew this would be tough. Whining about 3-4 game samples is pathetic.
I really don't understand the need to attack your fellow fans because some may complain about certain players that have vastly underperformed. Duda has been straight trash. Wright crushes lefties but has been held to one hit in four games (although he has walked a bunch). Except for one game, TdA has been awful. Yes, we are facing great pitchers...I understand that. Everybody complains about something, even you.
Eh, I do place blame on the hitters. The pitching was good
enough to win. The mets went away from their game plan and it hurt them. Kershaw is great, no doubt, but on three days rest we had an opportunity to hit him. The hitters did nothing to get him out of rhythm and they were all trying to hit the 5 run HR. You watch the Dodgers and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM stepped out of the box. All game, every game. It's the little things that allow you to win a game while only scoring 3 runs. I'm not surprised they weren't coached that way.
a good, not super powered freak of nature, our lineup exploded for 13 runs. We knew this would be tough. Whining about 3-4 game samples is pathetic.
I really don't understand the need to attack your fellow fans because some may complain about certain players that have vastly underperformed. Duda has been straight trash. Wright crushes lefties but has been held to one hit in four games (although he has walked a bunch). Except for one game, TdA has been awful. Yes, we are facing great pitchers...I understand that. Everybody complains about something, even you.
As long as you can identify it as simply complaining and not anything of merit. I get the need to voice frustration, even if it's misplaced. Also people clearly have biases against certain players. For you, you are going to rip Duda every chance you get, while Wright who has been worst, and has had the more favorable pitching matchups, we aren't likely to hear a peep about. It's all good, but it becomes pretty predictable and grating. You're right though. I have my targets too. I guess we all do. I actually think Wright and Duda have taken some pretty good atbats this series, TDA obviously had s huge night in game 3. We've played 4 games. Thinking a few guys wouldn't struggle against Kershaw/Greinke 4 out of 5 times is pretty asinine IMO.
RE: Eh, I do place blame on the hitters. The pitching was good
enough to win. The mets went away from their game plan and it hurt them. Kershaw is great, no doubt, but on three days rest we had an opportunity to hit him. The hitters did nothing to get him out of rhythm and they were all trying to hit the 5 run HR. You watch the Dodgers and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM stepped out of the box. All game, every game. It's the little things that allow you to win a game while only scoring 3 runs. I'm not surprised they weren't coached that way.
I don't know about that. I mean did you see Kershaw last night? The short day rest excuse doesn't really fly anymore. He was as dominant as I've ever seen him. The game plan WAS to take pitches and get him out of there. Wright has admitted this. Well guess what? Kershaw started every damn hitter off with strike one while they watched the pitch go by. Plan foiled. Advantage? The great Clayton Edward Kershaw.
fastball avg. velocity last night was the highest of all of his starts this season. It doesn't mean that the Mets shouldn't have stepped out of the box a bit more or, or that they couldn't have scratched a few runs off of him in such a big spot, but saying that he wasn't 100% because of 3-days rest is just not the case here.
fastball avg. velocity last night was the highest of all of his starts this season. It doesn't mean that the Mets shouldn't have stepped out of the box a bit more or, or that they couldn't have scratched a few runs off of him in such a big spot, but saying that he wasn't 100% because of 3-days rest is just not the case here.
Agreed. He was fired up and as on as on could be.
Z, last night was the first time I complained about Duda and
I made a whopping to comments citing his awful stats. I also mentioned that DW hasn't been great either so your claim about that holds no water.
And for what it's worth, DW has not been worse than Duda. Duda has exactly ONE extra hit while striking out the majority of his ABs ( and only 1 BB). DW hasn't been great but at least he's been getting on base at a decent clip bc of walks and been in the thick of the scoring. You praised Granderson all season for his ability to generate walks while not hitting as much...DW doesn't get the same benefit?
Yes, I'm aware it's a small sample size playing only 4 games...but that's what we've got. We've had an entire season for sample sizes, now we need to get it going. You miss the point of my post. I said that Kershaw was great. But we did nothing to disrupt Kershaws rhythm. We sat in the box and waited to swing for the fences. Like I said, and Pedro said last night, we should have been stepping out more like the Dodgers. I don't like it but it makes sense. Oh well, on to the next.
fastball avg. velocity last night was the highest of all of his starts this season. It doesn't mean that the Mets shouldn't have stepped out of the box a bit more or, or that they couldn't have scratched a few runs off of him in such a big spot, but saying that he wasn't 100% because of 3-days rest is just not the case here.
I never said he wasn't 100%. But pitching on three days rest isn't something a pitcher normally does. We see with our own Matt Harvey how it can affect pitchers if you change their routine. Darling talks about it all the time. I don't think it was a stretch to think he might have been less effective or prone to mistakes while on short rest. Create create create. It's been my gripe with the coaching staff all year. It may have changed nothing. But at least you try.
Over Wright. Just pointing out how some like to do exactly that. I also wasn't targeting you. There are people here that will jump on certain players every chance they get. I'm sure you you've witnessed the Wright bashers, Flores bashers, ect. For you... That seems to be Duda. Last year, it was Granderson. I don't see how Duda is "trash". He had a very nice, albeit streaky year, and actually finished hitting well. He's faced almost all lefthanders so far so it's not surprising he's struck out a lot.
Our lineup is arguably the best in the entire league. It is what it is. All 8 players have played their part in getting us to this point. Dissecting 3-4 game samples in baseball will always be stupid. I could care less who is hitting .300 or who is 0-11 over 3 games. These are all important players and we need to find a way to get runs across any way we can. Trashing and spitting all over our players is just annoying IMO. especially the good ones.
fuck chase utley and the mlb
He's been a fucking bum
I like our chances with deGrom
Oh well, they play better on the road anyway.
This is why Game 3 is so important.
At least he can work out plenty of walks and has been a part of some key moments because he can get on base.
Duda is 2 for 15 with 9 Ks and 1 BB. He sucks.
Same thing with Conforto in his one AB. Travis is just frustrated and swinging frustrated. That was a truly terrible AB in the ninth. Jansen could see how he was swinging and just kept throwing high fastballs.
Need to do a better job in game 5
Kershaw pitched well but he wasn't unhittable.
And bean utley
That just sounds bad ass - deGrom has Syndergaard.
Tonight, not pretty, but the pitching was there. What could you expect more from Matz? He let up 3 but limited the damage. Colon is such a stud. So's Kershaw. Once he got that curve ball in for strikes...he's a phenomenal pitcher.
Kershaw pitched well but he wasn't unhittable.
He had quite a few hanging breaking balls. Some of them were high and out of the zone, but RH can hit those if they time them. But the Mets hitters were off balance all night. He is a great pitcher no doubt. But I agree he was not unhittable.
Degrom is different. He knows what he wants to throw and I think he will be dominant with the extra day of rest.
Exchanging posts has definitely made this season more exciting.
Here's to victory in Game!!!
We have quite a few years to make some noise.
With that said, I still want a taste of the NLCS again.
See but tonight was a textbook example of why the idea is to get into the dance. And in a 5 game series, not only is it somewhat a toss up in most of these even without these guys but when both teams can send out pitchers who can shut down any lineup and make any hitter look bad, its really almost irrelevant who has depth. The only thing that matters is whether that night's ace has his stuff going. Momentum doesn't matter, runs scored the prior game doesn't matter, home field doesn't matter. You've seen it now in our series and you've seen it in every other one, every year. However especially in this one, it's impossible to have any idea what will happen. The only time either team will be really successful at the plate is if the guy on the mound doesn't have his location or makes a couple mistakes that lead to homers. Otherwise just pray for some errors and hope you can get pitch counts high quicker than the other team
Amen. People are really citing K numbers and batting averages in a 5 games series facing Kershaw and Greinke two times a piece?? Really?? You mean a couple guys have struggled???? SHOCKER.
Amen. People are really citing K numbers and batting averages in a 5 games series facing Kershaw and Greinke two times a piece?? Really?? You mean a couple guys have struggled???? SHOCKER.
People should be talking more about how the hell Murphy smacked two dingers off of Kershaw more than they should about the K's.
That curveball to Kershaw is reminding me of Wohlers getting beat on his third pitch to Leyritz.
I really don't understand the need to attack your fellow fans because some may complain about certain players that have vastly underperformed. Duda has been straight trash. Wright crushes lefties but has been held to one hit in four games (although he has walked a bunch). Except for one game, TdA has been awful. Yes, we are facing great pitchers...I understand that. Everybody complains about something, even you.
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a good, not super powered freak of nature, our lineup exploded for 13 runs. We knew this would be tough. Whining about 3-4 game samples is pathetic.
I really don't understand the need to attack your fellow fans because some may complain about certain players that have vastly underperformed. Duda has been straight trash. Wright crushes lefties but has been held to one hit in four games (although he has walked a bunch). Except for one game, TdA has been awful. Yes, we are facing great pitchers...I understand that. Everybody complains about something, even you.
As long as you can identify it as simply complaining and not anything of merit. I get the need to voice frustration, even if it's misplaced. Also people clearly have biases against certain players. For you, you are going to rip Duda every chance you get, while Wright who has been worst, and has had the more favorable pitching matchups, we aren't likely to hear a peep about. It's all good, but it becomes pretty predictable and grating. You're right though. I have my targets too. I guess we all do. I actually think Wright and Duda have taken some pretty good atbats this series, TDA obviously had s huge night in game 3. We've played 4 games. Thinking a few guys wouldn't struggle against Kershaw/Greinke 4 out of 5 times is pretty asinine IMO.
I don't know about that. I mean did you see Kershaw last night? The short day rest excuse doesn't really fly anymore. He was as dominant as I've ever seen him. The game plan WAS to take pitches and get him out of there. Wright has admitted this. Well guess what? Kershaw started every damn hitter off with strike one while they watched the pitch go by. Plan foiled. Advantage? The great Clayton Edward Kershaw.
Agreed. He was fired up and as on as on could be.
And for what it's worth, DW has not been worse than Duda. Duda has exactly ONE extra hit while striking out the majority of his ABs ( and only 1 BB). DW hasn't been great but at least he's been getting on base at a decent clip bc of walks and been in the thick of the scoring. You praised Granderson all season for his ability to generate walks while not hitting as much...DW doesn't get the same benefit?
Yes, I'm aware it's a small sample size playing only 4 games...but that's what we've got. We've had an entire season for sample sizes, now we need to get it going. You miss the point of my post. I said that Kershaw was great. But we did nothing to disrupt Kershaws rhythm. We sat in the box and waited to swing for the fences. Like I said, and Pedro said last night, we should have been stepping out more like the Dodgers. I don't like it but it makes sense. Oh well, on to the next.
I never said he wasn't 100%. But pitching on three days rest isn't something a pitcher normally does. We see with our own Matt Harvey how it can affect pitchers if you change their routine. Darling talks about it all the time. I don't think it was a stretch to think he might have been less effective or prone to mistakes while on short rest. Create create create. It's been my gripe with the coaching staff all year. It may have changed nothing. But at least you try.
They found the holes and had their inning. Our pitching was pretty darn good yesterday. Theirs was better.
Our lineup is arguably the best in the entire league. It is what it is. All 8 players have played their part in getting us to this point. Dissecting 3-4 game samples in baseball will always be stupid. I could care less who is hitting .300 or who is 0-11 over 3 games. These are all important players and we need to find a way to get runs across any way we can. Trashing and spitting all over our players is just annoying IMO. especially the good ones.