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Better in the olden days

MarylandPete : 10/13/2015 4:13 pm
I don't go back to Benny Friedman but I was a young fan of Charlie Connerly and his great tea mates. At the begining of this season, I would have been lucky to name 6 giants- they come, you blink and they are gone and you have to memeorize 30 new names. The season starts- almost starts that is- and 6 straters are hurt. 5 games into the season, half the projected staters are injured.

I do not recall Frank Gifford getting hurt, nor Emlen Tunnell, nor the Rosies, nor Katcavage,nor Webster, nor hardly anyone.

So you rooted hard for the guys and, for the most part, you got to root for the same guys next year, and the next, and ad infinitum.

I still root for the Giants but like they say, it was better in the old days. BTW, if you don't know how the Giants were able to acquire Benny Friedman, read up- funny story.

Lay it one me
It's one reason  
Gman11 : 10/13/2015 4:25 pm : link
why I won't waste $100 or more on a jersey with a current player's name on it. Here today, gone tomorrow.
What??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/13/2015 4:27 pm : link
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I do not recall Frank Gifford getting hurt


Gifford missed an entire YEAR after getting shellacked by Chuck Bednarek,

How do you not recall that? Seriously?
Why isn't Eric's post showing up? lol  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/13/2015 4:27 pm : link
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OP, no offense  
JonC : 10/13/2015 4:28 pm : link
but the majority of this forum wasn't alive that far back.

Welcome to the present.
Regarding the OP  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/13/2015 4:30 pm : link
I do agree that roster turnover isn't a good thing in the NFL... but that same turnover is what's kept teams in mediocre or poor markets competitive, and that is absolutely what separates the NFL from other sports. You take the good with the bad.
And yet..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/13/2015 4:31 pm : link
if this guy was alive back then and can't remember Gifford getting hurt - give the fucker some strained peas and a leash.
from the Chicago Trib archive, December 1958 -  
Del Shofner : 10/13/2015 4:32 pm : link
"Alex Webster Misses Drill as Injuries Plague Giants"

Webster "hobbled by a left knee injury most of the season."

Could your memory be selective? Mine is.
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RE: What??  
Mad Mike : 10/13/2015 4:34 pm : link
In comment 12547583 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Gifford missed an entire YEAR after getting shellacked by Chuck Bednarek.

Katcavage broke a bone in that same game and missed a bunch of time. And I'm not really sure how anyone could suggest Alex Webster was never hurt either. I guess if you have selective memory, the olden days can seem an awful lot better than they really were.
i give you credit....  
Tesla : 10/13/2015 4:34 pm : link
for figuring out how to use the inter webs.

Now GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!

Just kidding...I think you have some valid points, free agency does make it kind of bizarre to be a fan. You root for someone for years and then they leave to go to a division rival and they are the mortal enemy.

Seinfield said it perfectly....we're basically rooting for laundry at this point.

But I still love it. Go Big Blue!
Chicago Trib archive again, November 1960 -  
Del Shofner : 10/13/2015 4:37 pm : link
Katcavage and Gifford lost for the season due to injuries.
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Intresting  
MarylandPete : 10/13/2015 4:38 pm : link
Ah I see the names gifford and we ebster are recalled-ya think
In 50 yrs. Anyone will remember jennings or next yrs. Running back

RE: i give you credit....  
mrvax : 10/13/2015 4:39 pm : link
In comment 12547611 Tesla said:
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Seinfield said it perfectly....we're basically rooting for laundry at this point.

But I still love it. Go Big Blue!


That's what got me disinterested in MLB 20+ years ago.

I wish the NFL could adopt my 80% cap rule for players you drafted or obtained as UDFAs. I want our good players to stay AND get paid.

RE: Intresting  
YAJ2112 : 10/13/2015 4:40 pm : link
In comment 12547628 MarylandPete said:
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Ah I see the names gifford and we ebster are recalled-ya think
In 50 yrs. Anyone will remember jennings or next yrs. Running back


Gee, people recall some of the franchise's greatest players 50 years later? What a shocker.
I do not recall Frank Gifford getting hurt  
Headhunter : 10/13/2015 4:44 pm : link
one of the darkest moments in the history of the Franchise that had the city actually going to Churches to pray for him and you dont remember that? I remember that like it was yesterday and if I ever forget it, put me in a home
RE: RE: Intresting  
Mad Mike : 10/13/2015 4:47 pm : link
In comment 12547635 YAJ2112 said:
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Gee, people recall some of the franchise's greatest players 50 years later? What a shocker.

And let's be honest, probably more than 50% (probably way more than 50%) of people who identify as Giants fans don't know who Alex Webster is. The fact that Frank Gifford is memorable 50 years later, as Eli will be 50 years from now, doesn't seem like terribly compelling evidence that things were better in the olden days.
RE: RE: i give you credit....  
Devon : 10/13/2015 4:49 pm : link
In comment 12547630 mrvax said:
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In comment 12547611 Tesla said:


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Seinfield said it perfectly....we're basically rooting for laundry at this point.

But I still love it. Go Big Blue!



That's what got me disinterested in MLB 20+ years ago.

I wish the NFL could adopt my 80% cap rule for players you drafted or obtained as UDFAs. I want our good players to stay AND get paid.


Other than Joseph, the Giants haven't lost an actually good player in a very long time due to the cap/FA.
Another what??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/13/2015 4:54 pm : link
Quote:
Intresting
MarylandPete : 4:38 pm : link : reply
Ah I see the names gifford and we ebster are recalled-ya think
In 50 yrs. Anyone will remember jennings or next yrs. Running back


these really are turning into ramblings of a senile fuck.
He may not remember the injury problems..  
Tark10 : 10/13/2015 5:48 pm : link
He is correct about the constant turnover due to free agency. This does not make him a senile old fuck. It just makes you look like youthful trash.
You know we had  
Headhunter : 10/13/2015 5:54 pm : link
Ronnie Fly Leon McQuade Joe Don Looney back then and nobody talks about them today.Rocky Thompson gets mentioned because was a colossal bust.
Guys didn't get hurt then...  
Chris in Philly : 10/13/2015 5:58 pm : link
Why, they had their legs broken, they just bit the bullet and got back in there. And walked to the games. In the snow. Uphill. Both ways, I tell ya...
And pro football was a seasonal job for them  
Headhunter : 10/13/2015 6:06 pm : link
they worked as Stevedores, Car Salesman, construction and sold insurance the rest of the year
Headhunter  
MarylandPete : 10/13/2015 6:44 pm : link
Even Sonny Jurgenson had an offseason job (with a construction co.). Friends at the co. would invite me to play basketbal with him in the offseason- he was a helluva a smooth athlete and one of the all time great ball busters. Used to call me concrete hands and not to bother trying out as a receiver for the skins.
You have to realize  
OldPolack : 10/13/2015 7:32 pm : link
growing up in N.Y. in the 50's then big names were Mickey, Say Hey (Mays) and Frank Gifford.
I doubt that ANY GIANT will ever have as much versatility as the GIFF. He hit the scoreboards by passing, running, receiving and kicking.
RE: What??  
shabu : 10/13/2015 7:58 pm : link
In comment 12547583 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Quote:


I do not recall Frank Gifford getting hurt



Gifford missed an entire YEAR after getting shellacked by Chuck Bednarek,

How do you not recall that? Seriously?


how often were

LT, Simms, Mckonkey, Carson, Pepper Johnson, Banks, Hammer, Stra, barber hurt and not playing or a good portion of this list\, Toomer, burress

When i was a kid i dont remember them being gone a bit, in know LT got hurt toward the end and Simms, but while they were in prime ? i don't recall anyone recall ?
Simms was hurt a bunch  
JOrthman : 10/13/2015 8:15 pm : link
In fact the knock on him early on was that he wasn't very durable. Then we all know all the fact that he missed a lot of the second SB season due to injury.
Before free agency, you drafted a player and he was on your team  
baadbill : 10/13/2015 8:32 pm : link
forever. It was wonderful watching the Giants build a championship team starting in 1979. Every draft was another 10 year piece of the puzzle.

It wasn't fair to the players but it was GREAT to be a fan before FA. Absent a trade (which was relatively rare), the draft was everything and the players you cheered for, you cheered for, for life.
At least...  
trueblueinpw : 10/13/2015 8:47 pm : link
you can come here and be insulted by Internet tough guys. That's got to count for something?
it was that way  
mdthedream : 10/13/2015 10:11 pm : link
in the 80s with Phil Simms and LT.
Simms not hurt...??  
GruningsOnTheHill : 10/14/2015 7:34 am : link
What was the reason that Hostetler was at the controls vs the Bills in the SB? As a young youth I was at the game where Simms busted his thumb; I believe he missed the rest of his rookie campaign.
Simms first.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2015 8:06 am : link
4 years were pretty much forays into different injuries.

There really is a lot of selective memories here.
Is there a counter to calling someone  
Headhunter : 10/14/2015 8:14 am : link
an Internet tough guy? It seems like you can throw that at someone with no blowback. How about some who calls someone a internet tough guy for no cause be referred to as an Internet pussy?
RE: RE: What??  
an_idol_mind : 10/14/2015 8:14 am : link
In comment 12547967 shabu said:
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how often were

LT, Simms, Mckonkey, Carson, Pepper Johnson, Banks, Hammer, Stra, barber hurt and not playing or a good portion of this list\, Toomer, burress


Taylor missed half the season in '82, 4 games in '88, 2 games in '91, and almost half the season in '92.

Simms only started a full 16 games 4 times in his 15-year career.

Carson missed 8 games in '80, 7 games in '82, 6 games in '83, and 4 games '88.

Strahan threw away his rookie career getting injured on a frikkin' celebration and missed large chunks of the 2004 and 2006 seasons with injury.

The list goes on. Football has always been brutal regarding injuries. The fact that people choose to put on nostalgia goggles doesn't change that.
Toomer  
Rob in CT/NYC : 10/14/2015 8:27 am : link
Tore his ACL as a rookie.

There are a number of things going on here - selective memory, survivorship bias (players are remembered in part because of their longevity).

If anything, advances in treatment have allowed us to see more great players that would never have had careers decades ago - different sport, but Mariano Rivera likely wouldn't have thrown a pitch in the bigs 40 years ago. Not on the same level, but Frank Gore would have been done as a football player his senior year in college.

And player mobility has essentially allowed the players to share in the wealth of the NFL on a more even basis than was the case in the past.

Injuries  
PaulN : 10/14/2015 10:22 am : link
Did always happen and always will. I understand the man's point though, it was a lot nicer to count on seeing most of the same names back on the team the next season. But free agency did end that.

The better players usually remain with the original team though, unless that team never improves and has management issues, which we don't.

I started watching in 1961, started with the championship game in Green Bay, we got killed 37 - 0. Then in 1964 everyone either got old, got traded, or retired, and we stunk for a long time.

One of the best parts of following the Giants back then was listening to the home games, you could not watch them back then. But listening to Marty Glickman and Al DeRogatis was an absolute joy, and something that I will always treasure.
The OP has a point.  
Section331 : 10/14/2015 10:51 am : link
I've always heard Charlie Connerly brewed a mean cup of tea.
There  
PaulN : 10/14/2015 12:58 pm : link
Are good things about football in the past and there are bad things about football in the past. I would not say one is better then the other, but everyone has the right to their opinion.

I liked having 8 good linebackers on one team, some were great, that will never happen again. Andy Headen and Byron Hunt would have been very good starters on another team.

But players were underpaid, if you think about it though, when players got paid more the only thing that happened is that we fans paid more so the owners would not lose a nickel.

If you think that is great, so be it. I think it is the way of life. Neither good nor bad. Plus, let's be honest, the owners still rule the league, and can do whatever they want, and usually do.
Artie Donovan..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2015 1:08 pm : link
used to drink beer and eat hot dogs on the sideline, but he was never injured. No players of that era were ever injured. Just ask Gale Sayers.....
The thing about injuries is a bit misleading  
Matt M. : 10/14/2015 1:44 pm : link
Modern medicine and current protocols allows for the diagnosis of so many injuries that were never caught before. Also injuries that are routinely treated now, like ACL tears, either had no treatment or career ending treatments. So, guys played with more unreported injuries. There is a reason so many guys who played in the 50s, 60s, 70s can't even get out of bed, let alone walk.

This is no different than illnesses in general. For example, Drs. are able to diagnose things like Autism, ADHD, brain injuries, etc. that were not easily found or treated previously. Is there a real significant increase in the conditions or mostly improvements in the medical field?
RE: What??  
baadbill : 10/16/2015 9:21 am : link
In comment 12548644 an_idol_mind said:
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Simms only started a full 16 games 4 times in his 15-year career.


And there aren't many human beings in history who could have done that! He WAS the entire offense for a good portion of his early career. And he didn't sit out for tiny bullshit stuff. He didn't have nagging type injuries. He only sat out when he was truly injured, not because he hurt. He sat out for stuff like the bone in his thumb broke and broke through the skin to the outside of his hand.
Nothing to add to this idiotic thread other than...  
RC02XX : 10/16/2015 9:36 am : link
A response to what is posted on the OP's User Profile:

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An RA soldier during Vietnam era- so unless you also served the country whether its been military, peace corp., VISTA, etc. you are not entitled to complain.


Hmmm...go fuck yourself, you senile bastard? Just saying.
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