You guys think Stafford is salvageable?

He's got a great arm, has had periodic success, but perhapshis gray matter is not quite QB friendly

Needs a rebuilt OL. They lost Albert and he's always under duress.

is terrible. No QB can thrive with that OL.

would be all over Stafford.

2. How about this for a first 5 opposing defenses:

Wk1: at San Diego
Wk2: at Minnesota
Wk3: Denver
Wk4: at Seattle (he actually played well i thought)
Wk5: Arizona

....that's a murderers row if I've ever seen one.

If he sucks again this week against the Bears there's a story. But 6 Tds and 8 picks YTD against those 5 defenses - is it the end of the world?

what we have in Nassib. Eli's been working with him for 3 seasons, I believe. He may be pretty good.

"It’s usually folly in this NFL to bury a team after five weeks, but feel free to stick a fork in the 0-5 Lions.
Matthew Stafford is indeed a broken quarterback, yanked in favor of Dan Orlovsky after throwing three interceptions in the first three quarters of a 42-17 loss to the Cardinals.
Coach Jim Caldwell is sticking with Stafford — for now. The Lions don’t owe him any guaranteed money after this season, and a new regime may decide to eat the $11 million cap hit in 2016 and start over with a new quarterback.
Stafford’s Instagram-savvy wife, Kelly, in addition to fiery jabs at NFL refs after Week 4, has lashed out at the anti-Stafford movement brewing in Detroit.
“Although many in this city have already turned their back on the Lions and Matthew, we will never stop supporting Detroit,” the former Georgia cheerleader wrote on Instagram when the Lions were 0-3. “No matter how many #9 jerseys people burn or how many negative things people say about these players they will continue to fight for a championship for this city.”"

He got benched in the 4th Quarter of a blowout where he played like crap. Not the first QB to have that happen who didn't lose their job.

of all the QBs between 2004 and now who at one point or another considered to be "better" than Eli.

Sanchez
RG3
Stafford
Vick
Cutler
Kaepernick

The list goes on...

is part of the problem as well.

RGIII is too far gone mentally, IMO.
Kaepernick is too far down the "running QB" path.
No way on Tannehill after that BS with the practice squad guys.
Cutler's intriguing but I'd still go with Stafford.

In comment 12547716 YAJ2112 said:

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He got benched in the 4th Quarter of a blowout where he played like crap. Not the first QB to have that happen who didn't lose their job.

?
That's exactly what the article suggests may happen


"Coach Jim Caldwell is sticking with Stafford — for now. The Lions don’t owe him any guaranteed money after this season, and a new regime may decide to eat the $11 million cap hit in 2016 and start over with a new quarterback."

and he's a tough guy who has shown some leadership skills. I would definitely take a chance on him were I running a team, though I would want to build the offense around his strengths. He's had a lot of losers playing around him, so it's not all his fault...

In comment 12547736 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12547716 YAJ2112 said: Quote: He got benched in the 4th Quarter of a blowout where he played like crap. Not the first QB to have that happen who didn't lose their job. ? That's exactly what the article suggests may happen "Coach Jim Caldwell is sticking with Stafford — for now. The Lions don’t owe him any guaranteed money after this season, and a new regime may decide to eat the $11 million cap hit in 2016 and start over with a new quarterback."

The article suggests it, but not the Lions.

just to have his wife around


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and also the year before. What really changed? I'd probably take a chance on him again rather than give Caldwell the benefit of the doubt. Lions simply botched the HC hire IMO.

of the listed are salvageable without them changing significant portions of their games.

with premium upside is Stafford.

Tannehill is a guy with some skills but he's an average QB. Which is fine if you have a sucky QB.

Kaep and RGIII are both capable of scaring the crap out of you at their best and can beat top defenses with the running option but RGIII may not be able to do that anymore and both of them can't make a living throwing the ball consistently. Whether inaccurate or poor at making decisions or both.

Cutler is a waste. I wouldn't touch him with your 10 foot pole.

sure doesn't help

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And the coordinator is awful
The fact they cannot generate matchup issues with their skill player talent even with a bad o line is a disgrace

I would take stafford over Andy dalton every and any day.
I see him as a notch below flacco who is below rivers who is below the Eli Ben contingent

make throws that not many NFL Quarterbacks can make. I think he could be great.

And it has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with attitude. Cutler is a malcontent from every indication. RGIII is physically and mentally broken and was coddled to the extreme. Tannenhill makes fun of the practice squad. Stafford appears to have all the tools, but I don't know if he will ever live up to his perceived potential.

he averaged 4700 passing yards and 28 TD - 16 INT a season. Averaged. He started every single game in that span despite nagging injuries so you can't even knock him for being some china doll. He led the Lions to a 32-32 record in that time, which might have been a slight disappointment but not by that much since they are after all the Detroit friggin' Lions.

His issue is that he has a really inconsistent delivery which leads to inconsistent accuracy. He has a bigtime arm but he doesn't get the most out of it because of how flat out lazy it seems like his passing ability is. He just seems like he's coasted by on pure arm strength forever and can't adapt into something more dangerous.

He has issues and it's been a disappointing career curve for him following that monstrous 5000yd/40TD year but I think he's salvageable. Wouldn't be surprised to see him write a decent 2nd chapter somewhere else down the line.

I should say.

But he has to turn the cap around. The kiss of death

cap has to turn around.

As a QB-leader type, the rim goes in the front...

I'd be all in on stafford this offseason. Shit I'd be all in on him now. I think he's clearly got the most upside and pelts over the others listed on this thread. He's a mess at this moment but I think he's easily fixable or salvageable. It would be just like Detroit to run him out of town only to see the guy flourish elsewhere.

If I am a team in need I go after stafford this very second. It's so hard to find a qb and stafford is still young and plenty talented.

Guys like him, Tannehill and Cutler will never win anything. The sooner you move on and try to rebuild with a real QB, the better.

"Eli don't need fixin'" -Tom Coughlin's reply

Have some WRs and a decent TE, and focus on defense..

if a team like Denver would inquire about him. I think Peyton is done, and there is a shit ton of talent on that team. Stafford is obviously not as good as Peyton's best, but surrounded by talent, I think he would be ok.

In comment 12547982 dep026 said:

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if a team like Denver would inquire about him. I think Peyton is done, and there is a shit ton of talent on that team. Stafford is obviously not as good as Peyton's best, but surrounded by talent, I think he would be ok.

He's surrounded by talent now.

In comment 12547686 MetsAreBack said:

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2. How about this for a first 5 opposing defenses: Wk1: at San Diego Wk2: at Minnesota Wk3: Denver Wk4: at Seattle (he actually played well i thought) Wk5: Arizona ....that's a murderers row if I've ever seen one. If he sucks again this week against the Bears there's a story. But 6 Tds and 8 picks YTD against those 5 defenses - is it the end of the world?

Agreed. Also agree that his OL is bad, and that the Jets would love to get him. The point is that he's had some success, so maybe in the right situation he can again.

there was some ESPN pundit who ranked Stafford WAAAAAY above ELI at some point within the last couple of years.

LMFAO.

Let me correct myself. All ESPN "analysts" ranked Stafford above Eli.

Again.

LMFAO!

In comment 12547983 drkenneth said:

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In comment 12547982 dep026 said: Quote: if a team like Denver would inquire about him. I think Peyton is done, and there is a shit ton of talent on that team. Stafford is obviously not as good as Peyton's best, but surrounded by talent, I think he would be ok. He's surrounded by talent now.

Megatron has lost a step, and Denvers defense is awesome.

the guy is in only his 4th year in the league and coming off a 27 TD / 12 INT season

So far this year despite a terrible O-line and tough schedule to date, he has 7 TDs and 5 picks, completing 57% of his passes and 270 YPG.

The question isnt 'is he salvageable' - the question is 'is Ryan Tannehill a top 12 QB in this league?'

I think he is, maturity issues with what he *may* have said to a practice squad aside.