Yeah, I think he'll get better there, but I like his board battles and he made a nice play to prevent a scoring chance earlier in the game. He definitely flashes.
And the top line had a sold game - I'll take that effort every night. Nash had playoff luck.
Glass has to fucking sit. No excuse after tonight.
Clean up the mental mistakes and dumb plays - but a solid effort overal IMO.
for the first loss after 3 in a row to start the year. Gonna be a long season. Hope some of you guys can maintain an enjoyment for the games and maintain your mental health while also analyzing every single bad play by every single player, then deciding who is awful or great and who needs to be kicked off the roster. Hope some of you will join me in waiting a little bit (maybe a little more than a little bit) to decide how we look and where we stand.
Shitty game. 0-9 on the PP to start the year. I mean its insane that we have 9 pps in 4 games but I digress. That needs to get better. Doubtful.
for the first loss after 3 in a row to start the year. Gonna be a long season. Hope some of you guys can maintain an enjoyment for the games and maintain your mental health while also analyzing every single bad play by every single player, then deciding who is awful or great and who needs to be kicked off the roster. Hope some of you will join me in waiting a little bit (maybe a little more than a little bit) to decide how we look and where we stand.
Shitty game. 0-9 on the PP to start the year. I mean its insane that we have 9 pps in 4 games but I digress. That needs to get better. Doubtful.
Pretty much why I don't post on game threads anymore. When it's going good you have a lot of intelligent posters who know their stuff. When it's bad, the dregs come out.
Aren't random idiots that come out of the wood work to rant and rave and say dumb crap like they've never seen a game before, and then disappear until the next game thread. Maybe that's what makes it even more weird. It's the same posts every thread but also there's always alot of panic and anxiety for a team that's been consistently good. Haven't won it all but as teams go (especially compared to other Ranges teams over the years) they are really likeable and fun to root for. Of course its part of the fun to analyze the players and the team but it's just more exasperation and worry and complaints about players than you'd think. It's similar of course to the Giants game threads in the way that there's a manic depressive attitude towards every play and every player and every result. A lot of it is just normal fan emotion but sometimes it seems like people are hoping for the chance to flip out
The Rangers put 41 fucking shots on goal tonight. If not for the fact the goalie was hotter then hot, and the Rangers rang it off the post I believe three times, and Hutchinson had some luck to boot, the outcome would have been much different.
That's hockey Suzyn John Sterling would have said if he were doing the play by play. The only thing that is bothersome is they had so many opportunities on the powers play and couldn't convert. Plus, the officials let the Jets get away with murder. Then again if they had called all the penalties the occurred that they either missed or intentionally let go the Rangers may have had as many as ten maybe more power play chances.
To say the Rangers played a lousy game as the asshole in the Post said this morning is totally off base. They put 41 shots on goal. They were working out there. I thought they really skated well in the second and third periods. If they had won the game they'd be writing a different story line. Bottom line is the Rangers did not have a lot of puck luck last night period. And the power play sucked.
Over the course of an 82 game season you'll lose a lot of games where you 'should have' won. Felt like last night was one of them.
Am I the only one who thinks McDonagh has had a disappointing start to the year (again)?
I was hoping #27 would be a different player after adjusting to his first season of wearing the "C" on his chest but he looks rather pedestrian and is not the player we saw growing into an elite D man 2 seasons ago. Could the responsibilties of the captaincy be that much of an albatross? His patrner is off to a poor start as well, you wonder how much that might also play into it.
McD just hasn't played like the player he was a couple of years ago. He used to be known for his heady play, and now he makes unforced errors all the time. The defensemen as a whole were rather disappointing last night.
Fluffy crawled out of his hole, but didn't regurgitate a Larry Brooks column? I'm perturbed.
I've criticized his partner plenty, but McDonagh isn't playing nearly as well as he did in 2013-2014. Making poor reads, sloppy with the puck, etc. He used to force turnovers and drive offense by doing so on a consistent basis. The play he made the other night against Columbus where he jumped the neutral zone and intercepted a pass to push play the other way was one he was making frequently.
It's a long season, obviously, and this team has started slowly for a few years now. Just something to keep an eye on.
I haven't liked the performance of the defense outside of Yandle and Klein overall thus far. But it's been less than 5% of the season. Happy with the team as constructed.
it was so close to being a perfect sports night too Â
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Sadly, by this point pretty much everyone knows this but AV, and his opinion is the one that counts. Get ready for another season of superior players sitting for the Glass man.
I post about hockey more than i do anything else. What I said has literally nothing to do with being a better or worse fan. It's an observation.
Hey I was wondering....does anyone else here feel like we should play Tanner Glass less or not at all? Just something I was thinking about. Haven't seen much talk about it, and never read any opinion articles that discuss him. Everyone else blind but me?
McD just hasn't played like the player he was a couple of years ago. He used to be known for his heady play, and now he makes unforced errors all the time. The defensemen as a whole were rather disappointing last night.
Fluffy crawled out of his hole, but didn't regurgitate a Larry Brooks column? I'm perturbed.
Lay "all" the blame on G? Who's doing that?
I'm just saying that Girardi's struggles, while detrimental to McD, Â
Tanner Glass was on the ice for six scoring chances against and none for. He was on the ice for 13 shots against and one for.
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As people on Twitter love to remind me: "Glass isn't the reason the Rangers lost last night." Of course he isn't. But Glass (and the fourth line) was on the ice for three separate shifts while the Rangers were down in the third period; including being on the ice down by one with five minutes left in the game in the offensive zone.
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By the way, Glass played more than Oscar Lindberg (who played just over 10 minutes). Glass played three minutes less than J.T. Miller, one minute less than Viktor Stalberg and had more ice time than Jarret Stoll. 1-13 in shots. 0-6 in scoring chances.
well blown up by the way the Jets were swinging sticks around like they were playing baseball. He provides absolutely nothing to help the team win.
That said, I'm more concerned about Kreider's slow start and subpar play from the defense than I am Glass. It just is extremely annoying to see them not field the best lineup possible.
Glass and McIlrath played because of the size of the Jets, Glass also played the game before because of the size of the Blue jackets and the fact that they roughed us up a bit. I expect Fast and Boyle to be back against Montreal where better skaters would be the priority.
The other thing is that Fast and Boyle were not off to great starts either, so that is another reason they were benched. I think 2 games is too soon to say anything, but the coach is using it to motivate them I believe. He really wants to get off to a good start this season.
My guess is that he may think that resting players before the playoffs start would be a huge bonus, but you can't do that unless you can afford to do it. The only thing for them to accomplish anymore is winning the cup. They went to the finals, and they won a presidents cup.
On the game was that the goalie played a great game for them. The other big thing is that our power play continues to struggle, I am no longer confused about this now. We simply do not have players that are good on the power play. It is not going to change, I am convinced of that, which is why we need to move Yandle at the trade deadline, he simply does not bring enough to lose all the draft picks he could get us, and we move McIlrath and Skjei into Boyle and Yandles spot next season, in fact we can move Skjei up this season after we trade Yandle, if it happens.
We could move Boyle and move Diaz back on the team, I think he is a better player then Boyle at this point and for a fraction of the cost, but that is never going to happen.
On the game was that the goalie played a great game for them. The other big thing is that our power play continues to struggle, I am no longer confused about this now. We simply do not have players that are good on the power play. It is not going to change, I am convinced of that, which is why we need to move Yandle at the trade deadline, he simply does not bring enough to lose all the draft picks he could get us, and we move McIlrath and Skjei into Boyle and Yandles spot next season, in fact we can move Skjei up this season after we trade Yandle, if it happens.
Totally agree that we dont have the right players for the PP, but even more confused at hanging the problem on Yandle. The PP didnt work before Yandle. But when he came over he was the leading PP assist man in the NHL with 24. Year before he had 28 PP assists. Both on bad PHX teams. Yandle produces like Karlsson on the PP, and outproduces Subban (both score more goals). Grossly outproduces Keith. Yandle is the one cornerstone PP player we have.
The problem is everyone else. He needs a point partner with a howitzer. We dont have that. Then you need 1-2 forwards playing below the circle with quick shots and a remorseless shooter mentality. That is simply not what Stepan, Nash et al bring to the table. Finally, you need a big body to park in front of the next (Kreider, Miller, Stalberg could all do that) and you need to set up for more one timers, which is a coaching issue. Just my 2 cents at least.
Did not mean for it to sound that way. But if he can't fix the power play, then I would not pay him the money it will cost to keep him. I am not a window of opportunity thinking person.
When The King is gone so is his salary of 9 mil, that is a lot of assets, and who is to say we would not have a good goalie to replace him, this window of opportunity is nothing but bullshit.
What we do need is to regain some of the draft picks the asshole threw away. If we don't then we will not sustain winning. Yandle is a good player, I do not dislike him at all. But I also know that we can get a first round draft pick and more then that for him.
he has such a low cap hit that a team would only need about a mil in cap space to add him at the trade deadline, and if they are anxious, you could pull off quite a heist for him.
So essentially I admit that he is a good player, I just think he can be replaced by Brady Skjei, he is not as good offensively, but will be better defensively and he can skate and has good size. We paid a lot for Staal, a lot for Girardi, and will pay a lot for McDonaugh, I can not see us paying a lot for Yandle also.
I don't just assume that the Rangers will go into a tailspin a few years from now when Lundqvist either declines or retires. There are several teams competing at a high level without franchise goalies. Look at last year's final - anyone consider Crawford or Bishop to be a superstar?
Paul, McDonagh's locked up until 2019. Also, to your point, the goalies they've drafted (namely the Russian) have apparently been really impressive).
Greg, I don't view this as some inevitably crash to a bottom five team in a few years - rather, I view it as a peak window (now) with a slowly declining probability. Not that there is no shot of winning a Cup, but that the highest probability is short-term. I don't follow basketball all that closely, but I think the Mavs a few years back were an example of a team that won outside of the perceived 'peak window'. To phrase it a bit differently, if I was told the Rangers were going to win the Cup in the next five years, I'd bet it were this season or next.
And like others have mentioned in previous threads, Buchnevich/Skjei surpassing expectations could keep that probability higher than I expect over the next few years.
the consistent stream of young blood has been amazing. Maybe not superstars, but good to very good players. The NHL vets rave about how good of a finishing school the AHL team has become. And we've also had some guys make the NCAA to NY direct leap very successfully. Bodes well for the future.
I don't just assume that the Rangers will go into a tailspin a few years from now when Lundqvist either declines or retires. There are several teams competing at a high level without franchise goalies. Look at last year's final - anyone consider Crawford or Bishop to be a superstar?
Nobody said nosedive, but we'll have gone well over a decade without a top 10 draft pick and every offseason we'll continue to have cap casualties as the younger players earn their paydays. And at this point we have very little in the pipeline, at least relative to what other teams have coming.
Is it impossible to win a Cup? No... but there is no honor in doing what the Wings (must say -they are off to a great start again somehow) or Flyers are doing. There is nothing wrong with an on-the-fly rebuild which appears to be what Boston is doing right now, just two seasons off a Presidents Trophy
and potential top pairing defenseman in the pipeline, so it's not exactly barren. Second of all, they have several very good young players 25 or younger - Stepan, Kreider, Miller, Hayes, Lindberg, McDonagh. No, they probably won't be able to keep them all, but they'll get assets in return for them in a deal.
On the flip side, their best forward (Nash) and best player (Lundqvist) are both over 30. I expect Lundqvist to age gracefully, but my thinking is that it's unlikely the Rangers are going to be the best team in the league for the rest of the decade - which they were last year in the regular season (and I expect them to be up there this year as well).
I don't see any other way to try and keep this group together as long as possible.
What Greg described as far as pipeline and youth isn't something 20 other teams in this league can't also say, and in many cases their young talent is better considering all the top draft picks.
Anyway... we're 4 games into an exciting season and we all agree this year at least, we can contend. So I guess we see how this season goes and go from there. I do think its paramount we re-sign Yandle. My understanding is none of these younger D-men is particularly 'offensive' back there and we'll lose Boyle too. We'd be left with 6 D with minimal offensive game.
Let's hope this is the year, and I am open to signing Yandle, but do you guys know how much it may cost us, he could get 8 mil per season, his defensive numbers are not bad like some think, that is what I think he will cost at minimum, do you guys want to give Yandle 8 - 9 mil per season for 5 plus seasons, if you say yes then we have to agree to disagree, but if you think we can get him cheaper, then I hope you guys are right, but think about what you are saying we should sign.
If we do trade him, I think he could get us a 1st and 2nd rounder. So do you trade him for a 1st and 2nd, or do you sign him to a 6 year/50 mil contract. I say trade him. Unless my numbers are off, that is what I think anyway.
If we do trade him, I think he could get us a 1st and 2nd rounder. So do you trade him for a 1st and 2nd, or do you sign him to a 6 year/50 mil contract. I say trade him. Unless my numbers are off, that is what I think anyway.
I think he gets something that starts with a 7, long term. No way does he get 9.
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Funny how none of the refs caught any of those early Winnipeg slashes though.
Can we put our best penalty killer back in the lineup now?
Glass is here!
Just gotta laugh at this point. We are actively making ourselves a worse team.
Hayes constantly makes some impressive plays.
I thought McIlrath made some nice plays.
And the top line had a sold game - I'll take that effort every night. Nash had playoff luck.
Glass has to fucking sit. No excuse after tonight.
Clean up the mental mistakes and dumb plays - but a solid effort overal IMO.
Shitty game. 0-9 on the PP to start the year. I mean its insane that we have 9 pps in 4 games but I digress. That needs to get better. Doubtful.
Shitty game. 0-9 on the PP to start the year. I mean its insane that we have 9 pps in 4 games but I digress. That needs to get better. Doubtful.
Pretty much why I don't post on game threads anymore. When it's going good you have a lot of intelligent posters who know their stuff. When it's bad, the dregs come out.
That's hockey Suzyn John Sterling would have said if he were doing the play by play. The only thing that is bothersome is they had so many opportunities on the powers play and couldn't convert. Plus, the officials let the Jets get away with murder. Then again if they had called all the penalties the occurred that they either missed or intentionally let go the Rangers may have had as many as ten maybe more power play chances.
To say the Rangers played a lousy game as the asshole in the Post said this morning is totally off base. They put 41 shots on goal. They were working out there. I thought they really skated well in the second and third periods. If they had won the game they'd be writing a different story line. Bottom line is the Rangers did not have a lot of puck luck last night period. And the power play sucked.
No one thinks Glass should sit merely because of his play last night.
Am I the only one who thinks McDonagh has had a disappointing start to the year (again)?
Am I the only one who thinks McDonagh has had a disappointing start to the year (again)?
I was hoping #27 would be a different player after adjusting to his first season of wearing the "C" on his chest but he looks rather pedestrian and is not the player we saw growing into an elite D man 2 seasons ago. Could the responsibilties of the captaincy be that much of an albatross? His patrner is off to a poor start as well, you wonder how much that might also play into it.
Fluffy crawled out of his hole, but didn't regurgitate a Larry Brooks column? I'm perturbed.
It's a long season, obviously, and this team has started slowly for a few years now. Just something to keep an eye on.
I haven't liked the performance of the defense outside of Yandle and Klein overall thus far. But it's been less than 5% of the season. Happy with the team as constructed.
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Sadly, by this point pretty much everyone knows this but AV, and his opinion is the one that counts. Get ready for another season of superior players sitting for the Glass man.
Hey I was wondering....does anyone else here feel like we should play Tanner Glass less or not at all? Just something I was thinking about. Haven't seen much talk about it, and never read any opinion articles that discuss him. Everyone else blind but me?
Fluffy crawled out of his hole, but didn't regurgitate a Larry Brooks column? I'm perturbed.
Lay "all" the blame on G? Who's doing that?
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That said, I'm more concerned about Kreider's slow start and subpar play from the defense than I am Glass. It just is extremely annoying to see them not field the best lineup possible.
The other thing is that Fast and Boyle were not off to great starts either, so that is another reason they were benched. I think 2 games is too soon to say anything, but the coach is using it to motivate them I believe. He really wants to get off to a good start this season.
My guess is that he may think that resting players before the playoffs start would be a huge bonus, but you can't do that unless you can afford to do it. The only thing for them to accomplish anymore is winning the cup. They went to the finals, and they won a presidents cup.
BTW, Ovechkin was benched for sleeping late and missing a morning skate. I hope they miss the playoffs by a point.
Totally agree that we dont have the right players for the PP, but even more confused at hanging the problem on Yandle. The PP didnt work before Yandle. But when he came over he was the leading PP assist man in the NHL with 24. Year before he had 28 PP assists. Both on bad PHX teams. Yandle produces like Karlsson on the PP, and outproduces Subban (both score more goals). Grossly outproduces Keith. Yandle is the one cornerstone PP player we have.
The problem is everyone else. He needs a point partner with a howitzer. We dont have that. Then you need 1-2 forwards playing below the circle with quick shots and a remorseless shooter mentality. That is simply not what Stepan, Nash et al bring to the table. Finally, you need a big body to park in front of the next (Kreider, Miller, Stalberg could all do that) and you need to set up for more one timers, which is a coaching issue. Just my 2 cents at least.
When The King is gone so is his salary of 9 mil, that is a lot of assets, and who is to say we would not have a good goalie to replace him, this window of opportunity is nothing but bullshit.
What we do need is to regain some of the draft picks the asshole threw away. If we don't then we will not sustain winning. Yandle is a good player, I do not dislike him at all. But I also know that we can get a first round draft pick and more then that for him.
he has such a low cap hit that a team would only need about a mil in cap space to add him at the trade deadline, and if they are anxious, you could pull off quite a heist for him.
So essentially I admit that he is a good player, I just think he can be replaced by Brady Skjei, he is not as good offensively, but will be better defensively and he can skate and has good size. We paid a lot for Staal, a lot for Girardi, and will pay a lot for McDonaugh, I can not see us paying a lot for Yandle also.
Greg, I don't view this as some inevitably crash to a bottom five team in a few years - rather, I view it as a peak window (now) with a slowly declining probability. Not that there is no shot of winning a Cup, but that the highest probability is short-term. I don't follow basketball all that closely, but I think the Mavs a few years back were an example of a team that won outside of the perceived 'peak window'. To phrase it a bit differently, if I was told the Rangers were going to win the Cup in the next five years, I'd bet it were this season or next.
And like others have mentioned in previous threads, Buchnevich/Skjei surpassing expectations could keep that probability higher than I expect over the next few years.
Nobody said nosedive, but we'll have gone well over a decade without a top 10 draft pick and every offseason we'll continue to have cap casualties as the younger players earn their paydays. And at this point we have very little in the pipeline, at least relative to what other teams have coming.
Is it impossible to win a Cup? No... but there is no honor in doing what the Wings (must say -they are off to a great start again somehow) or Flyers are doing. There is nothing wrong with an on-the-fly rebuild which appears to be what Boston is doing right now, just two seasons off a Presidents Trophy
What Greg described as far as pipeline and youth isn't something 20 other teams in this league can't also say, and in many cases their young talent is better considering all the top draft picks.
Anyway... we're 4 games into an exciting season and we all agree this year at least, we can contend. So I guess we see how this season goes and go from there. I do think its paramount we re-sign Yandle. My understanding is none of these younger D-men is particularly 'offensive' back there and we'll lose Boyle too. We'd be left with 6 D with minimal offensive game.
Chicago, Tampa, Montreal, Islanders, Penguins, Flyers, Blue Jackets, Caps, Kings, Ducks, Bruins.
That's 11 very dicey and/or overextended trade partners.
I think he gets something that starts with a 7, long term. No way does he get 9.