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Anakim : 10/13/2015 6:16 pm
The Man of Glass is in for Fast and McIlrath is in for Boyle



Go Rangers!
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How do we not  
SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 3:10 pm : link
have the right talent to play the PP?
well, for one thing, they don't have anyone with a big slapper  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2015 3:13 pm : link
That tends to be a valuable thing on PP, doesn't it?
RE: well, for one thing, they don't have anyone with a big slapper  
Deej : 10/14/2015 4:10 pm : link
In comment 12549820 Greg from LI said:
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That tends to be a valuable thing on PP, doesn't it?


And for another we lack a guy with a hair trigger release and a shooter's mentality. I thought I addressed this in my 1:11 post.
Deej  
SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 4:40 pm : link
I guess I didn't mean "how do we not have the players?" but rather, "how do you think the players we have shouldn't be able to do the job? And why can't the guys we have fill these roles you are claiming we are missing?"

There have been many, many maaaaany teams throughout the years with working PP's that don't have players who are nearly as ideal for any and all the roles needed for a good PP.

All good if you really don't think so but I don't really agree...which is why it's the single most confusing thing about the Rangers teams over the last many years. Different coaches, different players, different strategies, different formations...nothing seems to matter. It is insanely weird.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/14/2015 5:04 pm : link
I'm with Seth - no reason this can't be a top ten unit. AZ and NJ were 7th and 8th last year.
Anyone else  
SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 5:20 pm : link
think that based on the fact that we have a good coach who clearly knows how to build rosters that are really good, it seems very unlikely that he is the only person on earth who doesn't recognize that he has 2 better options to play than Glass. And therefore perhaps its possible, if not likely, that the reason he plays and plays as much as he does, is to try to get any other team to bite and trade us anything, any asset for him? I think it makes sense that they are trying to get anything for him before they put him through waivers. Otherwise it makes no sense more because of the depth we have than anything, that he continues to see ice.
Seth I'd be more open to that scenario...  
Torrag : 10/14/2015 5:22 pm : link
...if he hadn't been the worst player in the NHL last year and got ice time from AV then as well. But I hope you're right cuz he's a fuckin' sled.
right  
SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 5:28 pm : link
but last year we didn't have 2 guys sitting there in the press box waiting to play. And again he really was not at all bad in the playoffs. This year though, I find it completely impossible to believe that the organization trades Hagelin and would be ok with Etem not playing in favor of Glass. THere has to be some sort of understanding that they sent Diaz down, Diaz gave them a month to find him a role, and Glass is superfluous and pointless but they want to try to get even a 7th rounder for him. Thats what makes sense to me anyway.
Speaking of Etem  
MetsAreBack : 10/14/2015 5:31 pm : link
are there rules for how long he can sit in a press box without getting exposed to waivers? The guy has splinters in his ass by now (*note: I doubt he ever becomes much for us, we did that trade i guess for the forward draft pick - but i'd rather see what the kid has or doesnt have than roll #15 out there)
He was bad in the playoffs  
Torrag : 10/14/2015 5:31 pm : link
He looked slightly better because he was so fucking ridiculously bad in the regular season that there was nowhere to go but up.
That scenario is just wishful thinking  
Deej : 10/14/2015 5:35 pm : link
Glass is playing because AV thinks that he gives us the best chance to win (not necessarily in a specific game; could be long term that we'll need him at some point and you need to keep him game ready etc.). Simplest explanation.

I respect AV a lot as a coach. But he just seems to have a massive blind spot for Glass. Or more likely, the purported value of the grit (and leadership??) qualities Glass brings to the table. AV gets that Glass is a possession sink -- he has said so and has made other comments suggesting that he understand that having the puck is very important (rather than a dump & chase or "it's only the results that matter" ethos). I think the GM should step in soon. Etem needs reps too.
MAB  
SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 5:37 pm : link
but Etem really can be good. He really has a lot of assets as a player. I think the only reason they'd trade him is because there is no room. I still think they'd be dumb to not try him out there because maybe with this team, in this system, he could live up to potential more ala Brassard.

Agreed about Glass in the playoffs but watching the games, he was effective at doing what he is capable of doing. Maybe it looked better than it was because he was ineffective in nearly every other game but he didn't look like a bad player in the playoffs for a 4th line guy. Even contributed to some offensive zone plays.

Anyway, I bet he's gone within the next few weeks.
'Anyway, I bet he's gone within the next few weeks.'  
Torrag : 10/14/2015 5:40 pm : link
From your lips to Gorton's ears...
Glass was better in the playoffs  
MetsAreBack : 10/14/2015 5:41 pm : link
but he still weighed down our 4th line which ended up far worse offensively than it produced in 2014. Certainly the 3rd lines inexperience and unproductive play didnt help either but the bottom line is we were a 2 line scoring team last April/May and we dont have the lottery picks on those top two lines to beat the best teams in the league that way.

Need to get back to rolling 4 scoring lines. The good news is we have the assets this year to get that done - just need to play the right players.

I'm hopeful on Etem too but he never produced much for Anaheim (yes, I know he's young) and the GM/Coach did not have great things to say about him this pre-season ('average showing' ... etc) - hopefully just motivational speak here, but its possible we bought a turd.
AV loves Fast  
SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 5:41 pm : link
he has said so many many times and plays him like he does. AV doesn't think Glass is better than Fast nor is he better for the team. THere's zero possibility of that being true in my mind. He may be a bit stubborn but he's seen Fast and Glass play...there isn't even a conversation there.
How do you guys feel about Tanner Glass?  
Davisian : 10/14/2015 7:27 pm : link
Personally, I think he's adorable.

What's worse,  
JayBinQueens : 10/14/2015 7:55 pm : link
AV's obsession with Glass
Or Cappy's obsession with Strait?
i know teams sometimes get off to really slow starts  
MetsAreBack : 10/14/2015 9:27 pm : link
but in our case two years ago we had a brand new HC and system and a lot of new players.

Shocked at how bad Columbus has looked so far. 7 minutes to go down 3 goals to Ottawa - about to fall to 0-4-0.
Bobrovsky has been awful  
Torrag : 10/14/2015 9:55 pm : link
He's come out of the gate slow and rallied before. He'll need to do so again to get them back on track.
New Leslie Treff prospect article  
Deej : 10/14/2015 11:20 pm : link
god, how long has Treff been writing at HockeysFuture? Notes Iverson and Nieves -- two guys who I am keeping an eye on as potential fast PF types likely for the bottom 6. Also flags Hrivik, who could bounce back and be useful. Also describes Skjei as having a "cannon" shot.
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Jesus McDavid  
Deej : 10/14/2015 11:25 pm : link
launches Oduya into the boards with a textbook hit from behind.

God, Kreider is so fucking dirty.
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SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 11:31 pm : link
@smitchcd: #CBJ G Sergei Bobrovsky: "I have zero confidence right now. It's a tough time."
RE: Jesus McDavid  
SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 11:34 pm : link
In comment 12550544 Deej said:
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launches Oduya into the boards with a textbook hit from behind.

God, Kreider is so fucking dirty. Link - ( New Window )


wow man that is legit illegal. What is the league to do in such a situation?!?! Think they will just try to suspend Sean Avery even though he retired long ago?
and holy shitballs...  
SethFromAstoria : 10/14/2015 11:42 pm : link
I just realized they didn't penalize him. That is not funny but it's very funny at the same time.

THe NHL is amazing at doing exactly the wrong thing at the most opportune times. WHen someone from Dallas asks the refs and the league how they could miss something so egregious when the puck is right there and the guy is 4 feet from the boards, how can they answer that with a straight face?
So McDavid is another Crosby, huh?  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2015 1:07 am : link
The ref sat there not 10 feet away watching it happen. Unbelievable.
Anthony Duclair  
Headhunter : 10/15/2015 6:47 am : link
with the Hat Trick for Arizona last night
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BrettNYG10 : 10/15/2015 7:51 am : link
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Is it wrong that I want Duclair to be a flop?  
Deej : 10/15/2015 8:12 am : link
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Racist.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/15/2015 8:15 am : link
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Actually it's my hatred of foreigners  
Deej : 10/15/2015 8:46 am : link
Etem may debut tonight. 4th line in practice yesterday was Fast + Moore + rotation of Stoll and Etem.
Sounds like we can count on your vote next year.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/15/2015 8:49 am : link
Good for Duclair  
NYerInMA : 10/15/2015 8:50 am : link
He did nothing wrong in NY; Slats just had a hard-on for Yandle.
RE: Is it wrong that I want Duclair to be a flop?  
Anakim : 10/15/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12550684 Deej said:
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I do too
I said it the day they made that trade  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2015 10:23 am : link
They gave up way too much for Yandle. They're going to regret sending Duclair away, and if Yandle walks it will hurt that much more.
They need to re-sign Kreider, Hayes and Yandle  
Anakim : 10/15/2015 10:42 am : link
No ifs, ands or buts about it. They can't let any of them walk.
That or they need to win a Cup this year  
MetsAreBack : 10/15/2015 10:43 am : link
and then they can trade McDonaugh for Scott Gomez back for all i care.

Just win the Cup and i'm in a happy place no matter what.
RE: They need to re-sign Kreider, Hayes and Yandle  
Giants2012 : 10/15/2015 10:50 am : link
In comment 12551095 Anakim said:
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No ifs, ands or buts about it. They can't let any of them walk.


and Miller.

IMO, they just can't lose these players b/c so much is tied up in a nice defensive corp with no great shot or physical presence.
Duclair  
Giants2012 : 10/15/2015 10:54 am : link
Can't teach the speed or shot. Ridiculous trade
RE: Sounds like we can count on your vote next year.  
Deej : 10/15/2015 11:25 am : link
In comment 12550777 BrettNYG10 said:
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So I guess I need to amend my prior post. I have no problem with the "traditional" races. But whatever creamsicle race that guy is has got to go. At least, that is how I'd make America great again.
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