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Prince's contract

Ajd0452 : 10/13/2015 7:14 pm
He's in his final year and will be unrestricted free agent. He has established himself as a top corner. Has anything been said if they are actively trying to resign this guy? Seems to me with them saving 900k per week from JPP that this should be a Top priority for our GM
Agreed  
TreesForDays : 10/13/2015 7:17 pm : link
We have no replacement in sight either so signing him would be wise as well as drafting CB day 1 or two
They're in a tough spot with Prince  
JonC : 10/13/2015 7:23 pm : link
If they had an opportunity to lock him up at $7M per season a year or more ago, they should've pulled the trigger. Doing so would've also kept his pay close to DRC, thus limit any bitching.

However, you can safely wager his agent is eyeballing the area between what Maxwell signed for in Philly and the level above him ($10-12M per, at least). That's a tough price even for a very good, ascending CB.
I haven't heard a peep on his contract  
JonC : 10/13/2015 7:24 pm : link
since last Spring during the UFA period, not sure anything's changed since then.
Prince is good that is no doubt  
Patrick77 : 10/13/2015 7:25 pm : link
He is a complete corner and a complete football player. But I think he and his agent know some team will throw a ridiculous amount of money at him. I'd like to keep him too. But he isn't a top corner, and I fully expect him to command top corner money.
My guess is that a game of chicken is going on....  
Milton : 10/13/2015 7:26 pm : link
Prince could be legitimately asking for $10+M/year with the guaranteed money well above $20M. Given his injury history, management is understandably reluctant to give him that.

If Prince can make it through the season healthy, he will have all the leverage. But he has to realize that anything can happen in the next eleven games (plus the playoffs and Super Bowl).

If I was a betting man, I would bet that a deal will be done before the end of the season (assuming he doesn't shave his chest or eat by himself).
Reese Has Been Very Reluctant  
Trainmaster : 10/13/2015 7:26 pm : link
to overpay at all or even pay anything more than fair market value, letting many of his own picks walk.

Given how pass happy the NFL is these days and how Prince has shown to be an excellent (not outstanding) corner, when Prince's agent says:





I'd be inclined to do so.
I think the bigger concern is his history of injuries...  
Milton : 10/13/2015 7:33 pm : link
More so than his price tag. I think they would be willing to overpay him if they were confident he wasn't a risky player injury-wise.

A team's salary cap isn't ruined by plus players who don't measure up to their bigtime salaries, it's ruined by plus players with bigtime salaries who either can't stay on the field or who turn out to be JAGs.
Milton, yup  
JonC : 10/13/2015 7:35 pm : link
I'd heard NYG was offering in the $6M per range before and after picking up the $7M option for 2015, but his camp held firm looking for $7-8M. Then, once the UFA deals started to get signed there was no way they'd compromise with NYG.
You also  
Rory : 10/13/2015 7:38 pm : link
Have Jonathan Hankins to re-sign
This is rare  
robbieballs2003 : 10/13/2015 7:46 pm : link
but Prince seems like the type of person that would love to stay with this organization even if the Giants come in at a price below his value.
This is  
Ajd0452 : 10/13/2015 7:49 pm : link
A passing league the Giants would be crazy to let him go. His open field tackling this year has been the best I've seen from him. He's a NY Giant type of player. Way more important to the team than Cruz at this point.
NYG have plenty of cap  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/13/2015 7:52 pm : link
Space to sign Prince and Hankins..
Every week  
Ajd0452 : 10/13/2015 7:53 pm : link
That JPP isn't there they are saving 900k. They should give him heavily front loaded deal with immediate raise for the rest of this year. That may get it done.
Hankins waits another year  
JonC : 10/13/2015 7:53 pm : link
robbie, I thought so too until he started chirping on social media about the UFA deals.

It's not only about having enough cap space, injuries in the past are part of the decision, as are other factors.
I've changed my views  
Big Blue '56 : 10/13/2015 8:08 pm : link
on paying big bucks to a CB or S..The injury probabilities are quite high nowadays..Imo..

Offer him a fair contract or let him walk..Hankins when he is eligible, deserves the big bucks if he continues to ascend..Not guys in the secondary..And Prince has been an injury waiting to happen, imv
Jon  
robbieballs2003 : 10/13/2015 8:15 pm : link
I haven't seen it since I dont pay attention to that stuff. However, if a player wants to test FA they will. If he is pointing out what other players are getting then that could just be him putting a little pressure on the Giants to get a deal done. It is all speculative on my part though.
I would prioritize Prince over Hankins  
Milton : 10/13/2015 8:22 pm : link
But thankfully it won't be an either-or situation given the Giants cap situation.

It's harder to find good CBs than it is to find good DTs. Ergo the Giants history of using first round picks on corners and second round pick on defensive tackles.

For that reason I believe the Giants will be willing to overpay for Prince, but they won't overpay for Hankins. It would be different if Hankins was a force as an interior pass-rusher, but I think last year's stats were more the aberration than a future indicator. Hankins will play out his four years with the team and then hit the market. And once he is a free agent, it becomes likely that he won't be back. Think Linval Joseph.
Is it me or has Hankins  
Carl in CT : 10/13/2015 8:25 pm : link
Taken a step back this year?
Have we learned a thing ?  
shabu : 10/13/2015 8:45 pm : link
Have we learned a thing from Coefield, to Linval Joseph ?

You don't let your Draft picks go like that, you pay em.
Good-bye Prince ....  
short lease : 10/13/2015 9:01 pm : link
if ...IF his agent is really looking for 10-12m a year - it is my guess/opinion the Giants will not pay that.


Doesn't matter anyway .... 2007, 2011, and now 2015. Time for another Superbowl Gentlemen (and Ladies).

And, by time 2019 rolls around we will be set with 2 shiny brand new corners.
They may franchise him, but that would likely be $14-15MM  
Ben in Tampa : 10/13/2015 9:08 pm : link
based on the trendline. The 2015 tag for a corner is $13.07MM
Prince is tier 2  
reesesux : 10/13/2015 9:14 pm : link
Pay him that money.

Definitely don't pay him tier 1 $$$ Jerry Reach.
RE: Is it me or has Hankins  
Simms11 : 10/13/2015 9:47 pm : link
In comment 12548017 Carl in CT said:
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Taken a step back this year?


He's still doing well against the run, but is not getting the push in pass rush situations that he did a year ago. The guy had 7 sacks from the DT position; that's pretty impressive, but he's not doing it this year yet!
Every team faces this.......  
Doomster : 10/13/2015 9:55 pm : link
Time to re-sign an original draft pick......and sometimes, less talented players are signed before them, and get ridiculous contracts....now the market is raised for that player you are trying to re-sign....

You can't put a huge % of your cap in the hands of just a couple of players, especially when you are already paying a franchise qb.....that just leaves less for the rest of the supporting cast.....

That's why GM's get the big bucks.....

Take a look at the Patriot's cap salaries....who is the most valuable player on that team? And he is isn't the highest paid(ave. salary)...he isn't even the second highest paid....our qb is getting paid more than twice as much, as the next highest paid player....a huge discrepancy in salaries....this is why drafting is so important...locking up several players for 4 years, at low salaries to help manage the cap.....but sooner or later, if those guys excel, they have to be paid, or you must have a backup plan in place......

The GM can become your team's MVP....I mentioned in another post, what happened when Vereen signed with the Giants...BB signed Lewis, at 1/4 what we paid Vereen, and he is as good, if not better, than Vereen....deals like that don't happen every day......but the Pats have a knack for going out and getting guys that can produce on the field, and not pay a lot for them....
He's good, yes...  
Damon : 10/13/2015 11:40 pm : link
But is not having a spectacular year thus far... I don't know that he's driving his price up that much. One could argue DRC is still the better player.
RE: This is rare  
giantgiantfan : 10/14/2015 12:06 am : link
In comment 12547946 robbieballs2003 said:
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but Prince seems like the type of person that would love to stay with this organization even if the Giants come in at a price below his value.


That's why these guys have agents, separates emotion from things. Agent gets to be the dick and get the guy the money...for a fee of course. I would not expect this no matter how likable the Prince is.
NYP: Prince Amukamara house-hunting in the Flatiron district  
shyster : 10/14/2015 12:18 am : link
In comment 12547946 robbieballs2003 said:
Quote:
but Prince seems like the type of person that would love to stay with this organization even if the Giants come in at a price below his value.


This headline got my attention a few days ago. Upon reading, he's apparently "only" looking to rent, not to buy, but you figure there's at least a lease. And that his wife likes NYC living.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Prince is tier 2  
rptl530 : 10/14/2015 8:22 am : link
In comment 12548114 reesesux said:
Quote:
Pay him that money.

Definitely don't pay him tier 1 $$$ Jerry Reach.


Mods?
Reese really can't win.  
an_idol_mind : 10/14/2015 8:41 am : link
If he lets his draft picks walk for huge deals in free agency, he's asleep at the wheel.

At the same time, though, he should either get Prince into a second contract for a song or let him walk because he's not worth overpaying.

The team already needs some pass rushers in the offseason. It's going to be awfully hard to build a better defense if Reese also needs to address a new hole in the secondary.
an_idol mind  
fkap : 10/14/2015 9:18 am : link
true, true.

If Reese drafts someone not worth a second contract, he sucks.
If Reese drafts someone worth a second contract, but another team throws ridiculous money at the draftee, he sucks.

Prince will likely command big dollars. Reese can either pay it, or let him walk. 'fair market value' is a meaningless term. there's a few FA who will get way more than fair market value. Prince is likely one of them. there's a notch down, where teams won't pay big dollars until they show something more (or continue to show). these guys go with a short term deal. Or you go with a guy who is OK to good, and recognizes he's not going to get a premium deal, so he accepts a darn good deal. After that you have backups who are either happy to have any deal or fighting for a good backup deal or hoping they can convince a team to consider them one tier up.

any way you look at it, at a premier position such as CB, expect to overpay for any one who starts. You have to really overpay to keep a good one or to lure a good one away from another team.
It's a no brainer  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/14/2015 9:44 am : link
to resign prince. After a year or two his deal will look more reasonable.
Sign him  
NNJ Tom : 10/14/2015 11:20 am : link
but keep it reasonable.

He isn't a top 10 guy.
Hankins  
PaulN : 10/14/2015 12:02 pm : link
Has been fine, I don't think he has taken any step back, but let's face it, there is no JPP, so the DLine is easier to block. Why do you think he has taken a step back, let me guess, he isn't sacking the QB. If that is it you can not judge by sacks alone, especially at DT.
at the road on a monday night?  
Route 9 in LEH : 10/14/2015 1:01 pm : link
I'll take it. The Giants haven't beat Philly at nighttime since 2008?? Whether it's at Metlife or in Philly, the Giants don't fare well in prime time vs the birds...

PRINCE  
LILJOE : 10/15/2015 1:54 pm : link
IN a secondary that is ok he's good not great. He was a high draft pick and now is just starting to show something, not to mention he's only played 1 16 game season in 4 years.I say pay him, but don't break the bank and use a high pick on a cb, maybe we can pick somebody else up via FA next season like we did with DRC
With the latest injury...  
Milton : 10/15/2015 8:10 pm : link
...the leverage begins to swing back in management's favor. Prince (and/or his agent) has to be sweating the implications of missing three or four games in the middle of the season. And what happens if he suffers another injury later in the year and the Giants have to make their playoff run without him?

If Prince wants the big bucks, he needs to come back strong from this injury and finish out the year on a high note. A pick six in the Super Bowl will go a long way towards getting him that deal!
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