I don't know how these forums work...but I think I took to long to check back and answer more comments...so that thread was archived?
Anyway.
Dan in the Springs asked about why coverage matters on a blitz technique.
The coverage is critical. In a zone blitz, there is a defender for every possible receiver, and sometimes extra.
In a man blitz, every receiver has at least 1 guy covering him. If a back or TE blocks, the guy covering him needs to "add on" in order for the blitz to work. Otherwise, the back helps block a blitzer, the blitz is less effective, and the coverage was already more vulnerable bc its man. So 'usually' the DC will have guys in man cov add on when their guy stays in to protect. If the back/TE blocks you, you can't just put a move on him, he could slip out and be WIDE open for the Q to dump off to.
Sometimes you will see that happen too.
So the DC asks you to bull rush through him to the Q.
If the back/TE blocks a DL or blitzed, they are instructed that they now "have him"...they have to bull rush him to the Q. Same thing, you don't want him slipping out.
The best DCs add on in man blitz, cuz otherwise you end up with a cover guy floating in no mans land 5 yards off the LOS accomplishing nothing for the D.
Anyway, to answer your original Q - this is at least part of why you see blitzers running right into backs/TEs.
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/12/2015 3:41 pm : link
this has been a fascinating thread and if we were trolled, the guy at least knows his shit about the teams Kehl's been with.
I disagree with his take that TC is overrated, but I'm glad to hear his opinion and he's stated his objections well.
Much like I'd expect from a hairless chest, pink wearing sonofabitch:)
Bryan, the one thing i take away from your post is that there seems to be a pattern of "its all the different teams fault for not appreciating me". I could understand 1 maybe 2 teams not realizing your value, but when it gets to 3 teams i have to assume its the player instead.
I too, am a believer in "who is the common denominator"
But it really was just 2 teams - NY and STL.
My complaints are about Spagz and Coughlin. Not the other coaches I played for.
Have you ever used peds Bryan?
BlueLou : 10/12/2015 4:30 pm : link
Do you know of any other players in the nfl who use PEDS?
I've never tasted alcohol. Never smoked. Never used any drugs. Never any PEDS.
TONS of guys in the league do, though. They don't even test for HGH, so what is to stop guys from doing it? The honor system? Yeah right. So it's really anybodys best guess exactly how many guys are on them. But guys are pretty careful about not admitting it...I only heard 1 guy flat out admit it.
I missed your responses on the first thread but coming on here to explain yourself is a stand up move. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it’s hard for us as fans to truly understand the situation when we are on the outside looking in. Wish you health and happiness in your post playing career.
Lots of you kept wondering why I didn't just show up 5 minutes early? After I learned how much it meant to him, I did.
I was just trying to paint a picture, though. Early on, when I would show up a minute or 2 before the mtg began...I WASN'T THE ONLY GUY DOING IT.
There were plenty of other guys too...he just reacted to some guys differently. Don't think I am saying I was the only guy he didn't like too...there were plenty who got his wrath, and plenty who got a free pass too.
Some of you appreciate how I see it. The meeting is at 1:00. Be on time. If you aren't, I will fine you. Lets not make a big deal out of it.
You have to realize, there are like 10 different times a day to be late: mtgs, walk throughs, lifts, and practice. It was exhausting with everyone walking around tight butt holed.
It wasn't like that in STL, WAS, or KC. You still got fined if late...but nobody walked on egg shells.
Shanahan is a good coach too.
Oh, and yes it is true the whole every clock in the building is 5 min early. it is set that way. It gets exhausting too, cuz then you have to set all your own clocks 5 min early, and you forget which ones are or aren't, and it gets hard to keep track of. so if a mtg is scheduled at 1:00, in actuality TC wants you strolling in there at 12:50 real time.
Why get bent out of shape over this?
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
One thing that still bugs me a bit
an_idol_mind : 10/13/2015 12:32 pm : link
in this post is the pointing out that other coaches Kehl has played under don't do what Coughlin does. The thing with that is that those other coaches don't have Coughlin's record of success, either.
The premise of the argument seems to be that if Coughlin did things differently, he'd be more successful. So how successful would he have been? Are we talking four Super Bowls? A string of 10 years without missing the playoffs?
If you're realistic about the landscape of the NFL, you'd have to accept that Coughlin has a terrific record as a head coach and that his rules are probably a part of why he has that success.
Coughlin is an excellent coach. I said that in the interview. I just think he gets more credit than he deserves.
The other coaches I played for? Spagz - trash. Romeo - mediocre at best as a HC. Shanahan - can't say enough good things about him. Awesome coach. Look at how well his Offenses do...look at Kyle's success in ATL this year. Shanahan sealed his fate when he sent RG3 out there with 1 leg though.
One thing I'd like BKehl to address is why HE did not
Steve Filipowicz : 10/13/2015 12:48 pm : link
relate well with the other players.
He ate by himself and didn't iteract with other players. On the surface, then, not much of a team mate.
Why so aloof when FB is a team game?
Steve, I have the same question
SomeFan : 10/13/2015 2:17 pm : link
Even if from different backgrounds or nothing in common or I like meditating during lunch, one should try to connect with teammates. Maybe he did in other ways, not sure but you raise the same question I had.
I said in the article, that at times I ate by myself. Not always. TC hated it.
Every rookie gets hazed, but I got a ton of crap for being a virgin at the time. You get sick of it after a while, so sometimes you sit by yourself so you don't have to listen to the crap they say. Thats all.
Every year in the league after that, guys didn't care so much. I wasn't a rook anymore.
Now that the bona fides have been established the point becomes...You joined the Giants shortly after TC had made significant changes in his persona with his ballclub and led the team to one of the great underdog Superbowl upsets in history. Then again shortly after you had departed(after playing mediocre ball with NY) Coughlin again led the Giants to yet another Superbowl title.
So it begs the question why should anything you have to say be taken seriously on the subject of Tom and his ability to interact with players? If you had performed better maybe it would have been reflected in your relationship with him. But you didn't so perhaps the reason your personal experience with the coach suffered. His realtionships with the over 100 players that earned Superbowl Championship rings on his watch appears to be on solid ground.
Now that the bona fides have been established the point becomes...You joined the Giants shortly after TC had made significant changes in his persona with his ballclub and led the team to one of the great underdog Superbowl upsets in history. Then again shortly after you had departed(after playing mediocre ball with NY) Coughlin again led the Giants to yet another Superbowl title.
So it begs the question why should anything you have to say be taken seriously on the subject of Tom and his ability to interact with players? If you had performed better maybe it would have been reflected in your relationship with him. But you didn't so perhaps the reason your personal experience with the coach suffered. His realtionships with the over 100 players that earned Superbowl Championship rings on his watch appears to be on solid ground.
Now this is sour grapes. You're proving wrong, so instead of apologizing, you double down and take shots at the guy? Grow up.
He won the 1st race. He jumped the start...I didn't even see it, cuz I had my head down. Deossie was our starter, and told me afterwards that he jumped it. Im like "why didn't you stop it then?!?" Flipping Zak pussed out on me. Cost me $500 bucks too.
He won the 1st race. He jumped the start...I didn't even see it, cuz I had my head down. Deossie was our starter, and told me afterwards that he jumped it. Im like "why didn't you stop it then?!?" Flipping Zak pussed out on me. Cost me $500 bucks too.
So it begs the question why should anything you have to say be taken seriously on the subject of Tom and his ability to interact with players? If you had performed better maybe it would have been reflected in your relationship with him. But you didn't so perhaps the reason your personal experience with the coach suffered. His realtionships with the over 100 players that earned Superbowl Championship rings on his watch appears to be on solid ground.
Truth be told, we have no idea what Coughlin's relationship is or has been like with the "over 100 players" on his watch. I'm sure they weren't all the same.
stop being a fucking dick. Shit like this is why we have run off the asshats. Kehl, in the two threads he's been on, has provided much more wealth of info than you have in your entire time on this board.
You said that Spags was trash as a HC. Can you expand on this? Do you see him as a life long coordinator? What is it about him that makes him trash as a HC?
I missed your responses on the first thread but coming on here to explain yourself is a stand up move. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it’s hard for us as fans to truly understand the situation when we are on the outside looking in. Wish you health and happiness in your post playing career.
Thank you!! I mean that.
RE: Thanks for taking time to sign autographs at camp in Albany! Â
Why get bent out of shape over this?
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Lol. Thanks man. I love all of you. Some of you I would love to demonstrate personally to whether or not I'm a "soft linebacker", but...they will never find out ;)
I didn't address his original OP because I doubted his voracity. I was wrong. Now I address his theory and I'm immature? I'm not the guy who is taking shots at the head coach who was part of the process that drafted him and gave him his first shot in the NFL. Does Mr. Kehl think Tom wanted him to play poorly? If you're loking for sour grapes I don't think I'm the one that has earned that distinction.
Got stiffed armed to the ground by a QB and talk like a superstar... You suck and no NFL linebacker should ever let that happen... Go Coughlin and every coach that released you from their team.
I didn't get involved in the other thread and I disagree with your take on Coughlin being overrated, but I do concede that from the outside it does appear that he is the type of boss most of us would not enjoy working for in our own occupations. It doesn't surprise me in the least that some of his players may not be the biggest fan of the guy personally. You probably have a lot of company among his former players, but I think your feelings about him personally have an impact on your perception of him as a coach. Curious as to why you are so down on Spags as a coach?
Got stiffed armed to the ground by a QB and talk like a superstar... You suck and no NFL linebacker should ever let that happen... Go Coughlin and every coach that released you from their team.
thanks for joining BBI and confirming it's you. Over the years we've speculated that we had on Tyrone Wheatley for a little while.
I'm curious about a couple of things during your Giants tenure-
- How much did Plaxico shooting himself distract the team/took the air out of them because up to that point, the Giants were the best team in the NFL in 2008 and after that had to sputter to the finish.
- And you mentioned about players messing with substances. There were rumblings that the Giants secondary (in particular) enjoyed weed a little too much. So much so that even O'Hara pretty much called them out about it in the press to act like professionals. Did you see that as well?
He was giving his honest opinion of what was going on in the locker room. We rarely get access like this to what's going on behind the scenes, I guess you prefer the pre-packaged responses along the lines of the Eli Manning variety.
what does a virginal ladies man do? Spend a lot of money on fruitless dates? One wonders.
Bryan you're too good for this place, run away.
I agree. Bryan, this place is full of assholes, who will talk shit about you one minute then act like you're their best friend when you appear like star struck bitches. You're too patient and generous in spending time engaging many of these bozos.
You might want to wait until an actual star posts here. He was a JAG during his career. My loyalty is to the head coach that actually contributed to bringing The Lombardi Trophy to NY...twice.
I'll readily grant that as a man that played in the NFL his football knowledge is superior and dwarfs anyone on BBI. Don't expect a warm welcome from me if you come to BBI with a target on TC. You're barking up the wrong tree.
RE: You guys want to to go all moon eyed and star fucker be my guest Â
You might want to wait until an actual star posts here. He was a JAG during his career. My loyalty is to the head coach that actually contributed to bringing The Lombardi Trophy to NY...twice.
I'll readily grant that as a man that played in the NFL his football knowledge is superior and dwarfs anyone on BBI. Don't expect a warm welcome from me if you come to BBI with a target on TC. You're barking up the wrong tree.
You're pathetic. You acted like a fool on the other thread, calling people "the dumbest mother fuckers alive" for believing it was Kehl. Now it proven you were in fact the dumb one and you're going to call out BBI for interacting with a former Giant.
Talking about the positives...who were your favorite coaches, and teammates? Who were some underrated guys that you think might have had better careers if they played (besides yourself, of course!)?
I never worked for Coughlin, so clearly I don't have your insight, but I have worked for many people like Coughlin, arguably even harder men than Coughlin. I personally like his approach, but I know it's not everyone's cup of tea. I will admit I was pretty hard on you in the other thread, my take still stands. But it is great to see that you are doing well, and I think I speak for all fans when I say that we appreciate all the effort you gave for Big Blue, no matter how it turned out. I was excited when they drafted you, and am truly sorry things did not go differently. Best of luck, and it sounds like you should listen to the wife. Usually good advice for any man.
Lol. Thanks man. I love all of you. Some of you I would love to demonstrate personally to whether or not I'm a "soft linebacker", but...they will never find out ;)
Especially since I'm stuck in a meeting tonight and not watching The Niners-Hawks (til later).
I believe I wrote in a camp report that this new linebacker (might have been your rookie season) was one of the most fan-friendly guys who spent as much time or more than others signing after practice for fans and especially for kids.
Great having you aboard. Looking forward to candid insights.
It doesn't prove anything or make you look like a tough guy, quite the opposite. I think it's cool of him to post here and address this and offer insight even if it's subject to the same biases as every other human walking the planet.
I had doubts he was the real thing. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest he look in the mirror for the answers as to why he didn't have a succesful interaction with Coughlin. It usually takes two for a relationship to sour.
Now that the bona fides have been established the point becomes...You joined the Giants shortly after TC had made significant changes in his persona with his ballclub and led the team to one of the great underdog Superbowl upsets in history. Then again shortly after you had departed(after playing mediocre ball with NY) Coughlin again led the Giants to yet another Superbowl title.
So it begs the question why should anything you have to say be taken seriously on the subject of Tom and his ability to interact with players? If you had performed better maybe it would have been reflected in your relationship with him. But you didn't so perhaps the reason your personal experience with the coach suffered. His realtionships with the over 100 players that earned Superbowl Championship rings on his watch appears to be on solid ground.
Lets see. 2008...as a rookie...I was 2nd on the team in production % at 31%. Only Tuck was higher than me at 34%.
I got benched halfway through the season. Didn't play again until week 17 vs Vikings...we had clinched, and played subs the 2nd half.
In only the 2nd half - I had 9 tackles, 2 tfls, and 1 sack.
We had a bye, then played Philly in the Divisional round...I watched from the sideline as Westbrook torched our slow LBs on the field.
So, they signed Boley in the offseason (he was less physical than me). I was relegated to spec teams.
2009 I led NY in special teams tackles.
2010 they cut me after week 1 vs Car...I had 4 spec teams tackles in the game, but I was beat for a blocked punt by Greg flipping Hardy.
Lol. Thanks man. I love all of you. Some of you I would love to demonstrate personally to whether or not I'm a "soft linebacker", but...they will never find out ;)
Most mid round picks don't amount to much. They play on special teams(a valuable and important role) and then kick around a few years if they can't crack a starting lineup. The injury attrition rate is horrific and eventually they are replaced with someone younger and healthier. That's the fate of most guys that ever suit up in the NFL. It's an achievement just to get there certainly.
You clearly have unresolved issues with how your coach valued your contributions on and off the field. Or you wouldn't be posting about it on a fan message board. You might want to ask youself why that is.
And what BBI should take notice. Bryan has been attacked, ridiculed, etc etc here right or wrong. But what he's done is he listens to response and doesn't respond with back atchya personal insults.Instead, He tries and certainly does back up his stance with facts and etc . Takes criticism and moves on.
Thanks Bryan for all your input/opinions etc..whether agree or not, it's good to have you post.
Most mid round picks don't amount to much. They play on special teams(a valuable and important role) and then kick around a few years if they can't crack a starting lineup. The injury attrition rate is horrific and eventually they are replaced with someone younger and healthier. That's the fate of most guys that ever suit up in the NFL. It's an achievement just to get there certainly.
You clearly have unresolved issues with how your coach valued your contributions on and off the field. Or you wouldn't be posting about it on a fan message board. You might want to ask youself why that is.
You come off as a dick, man. Jesus. You are talking to a real person.
His play as a NY Giant is fair game is it not? I'm entitled to express that opinion if he posts here in a manner critical of the team aren't I? Clearly the organization didn't value his services highly or his tenure with the club would have been longer. That's not to say they are always right because they aren't.
RE: For those also not aware (obviously Bryan is) Â
That said, you say Coughlin is an excellent coach and overrated. It's your opinion of course, but let me draw a parallel here. You laud Mike Shanahan as a brilliant Offensive mind and an excellent HC. Yet, after Elway and Davis left the Broncos I believe he won 1, perhaps 2 playoff games in roughly 15 other seasons. I believe he's living off the reputation that Elway and Davis helped him create and did very little subsequent to their departures.
If anything, he's extremely overrated and his attempt at trying to distance himself from RG III from something he as the HC was almost totally responsible for by indirectly knocking RG III with his statement that Kirk Cousins is capable of winning a SB, which on its face is beyond absurd..
You praise Kyle and the work he's doing in Atlanta as if Atlanta wasn't putting up impressive offensive numbers (with Ryan, White, Jones, Gonzales et al through the years) before he arrived. Offense has not been a problem since Ryan became the franchise, Defense has been..
and thanks for posting. Have learned more here in this thread than I've learned here in the 8 years I've been posting and the 10 years I've been reading here. Thanks again and good to see life is treating you well.
Its more of a self discipline thing. A way to show that you were willing to do what it takes to accomplish a task.
Sacrifice for the good of the team and buy into it.
Its Sad that you didn't understand it.
Bryan, here's a question, if you don't mind another. Â
After Sunday's loss on Philly I was left with one of the biggest feelings of frustration not because we got beaten by a better team, but more because it seemed like the Giants had lapses of intelligence and discipline.
When Coughlin came in he was touted as the task-master, and as you've already discussed, it was that way and maybe in some ways, over the top. I know he adopted the good-will outings and leadership council connections so maybe he relaxed some.
But then I watch a game like Sunday night's at Philly and I wonder ... Has the game passed him by? Would a guy like Mike Tomlin be desirable now? Or is it a player thing - like Damontre Moore being out of his mind at times with apparently no sign of maturing?
Do you have general thoughts about that? As far as where the team is, regarding discipline and how it relates directly to the guy at the helm.
I actually saw BKehl play in college since I went to UNLV and we always played and got whipped by BYU.
I always thought that he was productive enough when he got on the field. He was at least as productive as Reggie Torbor, Danny Clark, Carlos Emmons, and the cast of about 100 linebackers that seems to be constantly evolving yearly.
Do I think TC is a tough guy to work for? Yeah probably. For some reason, he and Kehl didn't seem to get along. It does seem like sour grapes that TC gets criticized and called overrated after Kehl's career is over. But, the gap between the 53rd guy on the roster and the perennial pro bowler probably isn't that great from a talent perspective. So I can see how it might come down to personality conflict from time to time, and so I gotta ask:
When you weren't being played, did you ever go in to see either Spags or TC and be like, "Listen, I'm producing on the field, why aren't I being played?" If so, what was their reaction?
Why get bent out of shape over this?
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Shut the fuck up you groveling fool. Please like me? Seriously?
Why get bent out of shape over this?
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Shut the fuck up you groveling fool. Please like me? Seriously?
Why get bent out of shape over this?
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Shut the fuck up you groveling fool. Please like me? Seriously?
saw his instagram, asked him. he acknowledged it. would be cool if he stuck around. it's fun having insight like that. what up kehl? is this part of bbi immortality how we all thought someone was that bored to write all of that before? still cool.
I thanked you for coming onto BBI in the other thread - and I thank you again in this one. Your presence has led to some very interesting conversation.
TC is a dying breed. The last of a truly great generation.
He knows the difference between a football player and these "stare in the gym mirror, medium shirt wearing, synthetic muscle building, should have been WWE wrastlers."
A Linebacker that would rather go around someone.....
Why get bent out of shape over this?
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Shut the fuck up you groveling fool. Please like me? Seriously?
Got stiffed armed to the ground by a QB and talk like a superstar... You suck and no NFL linebacker should ever let that happen... Go Coughlin and every coach that released you from their team.
so what did cunningham do to banks just wondering?
I think guys who have played several years in the NFL already know that fans are often assholes.
Anyway, it is pretty cool indeed to get a player's perspective. Looking forward to see if BK answers the questions about the 2008 craziness and what it is about Spas that caused friction between them.
TC is a dying breed. The last of a truly great generation.
He knows the difference between a football player and these "stare in the gym mirror, medium shirt wearing, synthetic muscle building, should have been WWE wrastlers."
A Linebacker that would rather go around someone.....
Sucking TC off on here isn't actually sucking him off for real. You can take it out of your mouth now (in an internet sense, of course)
what the hell was coughlin telling everyone once plaxico shot himself? we were what 10-1? most fan opinion is that the shooting, along with defensive injuries was what killed our chances at a repeat. At least in my opinion had we had osi plus madison, goff, and dahl we have a pretty good chance having beat arizona and pittsburgh, yeah bryan i think you remember that game?
and thinking about it i was a hot head in response to you interview, thanks for chiming in, it's cool.
but he embraces the philosophies, morals, and beliefs of the greatest generation. And so that is what I was referring to.
I'm not orally gratifying TC.
I'm simply imagining a round table of football coaching greats discussing Bryan Kehl.
And I posted what I believe would be the gist of that short conversation.
Now its certainly arguable whether TC has a seat at that table or not....but hes certainly at that party.
And Bryan is only here because of his comments about TC. So Bryan, congrats on your time in the NFL. Its a great accomplishment that no one can ever diminish.
But your view of TC as overrated, is horseshit.
And I obviously offended quite a few of the medium shirts here at BBI.....did you have your muscle milk and flex in the mirror today fellas?
Bryan, the one thing i take away from your post is that there seems to be a pattern of "its all the different teams fault for not appreciating me". I could understand 1 maybe 2 teams not realizing your value, but when it gets to 3 teams i have to assume its the player instead.
I too, am a believer in "who is the common denominator"
But it really was just 2 teams - NY and STL.
My complaints are about Spagz and Coughlin. Not the other coaches I played for.
Thank you for the reply BK, valid point and my apologies on thinking 3 teams.
Last I checked, I thanked him for posting here and didn't insult him. That would be you, you. Keep coming with the insults for everybody. Digging your hole deeper and deeper.
And what BBI should take notice. Bryan has been attacked, ridiculed, etc etc here right or wrong. But what he's done is he listens to response and doesn't respond with back atchya personal insults.Instead, He tries and certainly does back up his stance with facts and etc . Takes criticism and moves on.
Thanks Bryan for all your input/opinions etc..whether agree or not, it's good to have you post.
Absolutely and he seems to have enough facts to prove his point.
RE: LMAO...so where are all those posters who unequivocally called Â
Yeah you really got me on a typo while I'm using an iPad..Lol, you continue to prove what an idiot you are. How did that foot taste when you realized the was the real deal?
RE: RE: LMAO...so where are all those posters who unequivocally called Â
...so pay attention. I was referring to your saying things on this thread you wouldn't say to someones face. Apparently reading comprehension and reasoning aren't strong suits of yours. What a hoot this is.
RE: RE: RE: LMAO...so where are all those posters who unequivocally called Â
I wonder how many people would respond now ... as they responded then. I would like to at least think that folks wouldn't talk to a player's face (out of common courtesy) when a player is actually posting?
Time for an appearance Damontre .... lol
I wasn't aware of Kehl's back story until today... Â
But you can be sure that the Giants were well aware of all of it before trading up in the 4th round to get him. So they knew they were bringing an adopted bi-racial kid from Utah who didn't drink, smoke, do drugs or have sex into a mostly black locker room in the NYC area. It seems to me if you are going to make that kind of commitment to a player, you would be more understanding and do a better job of making him feel welcome.
In case my question got lost amongst the rest of the umm...posts...Welcome and
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Im curious to know your thoughts on the Giants S & C program and how you feel it plays into injuries on the field? Thanks.
But when I think of BK I remember the 2009 season vividly and Kehl blowing everyone up on Specials. I was disappointed the Giants cut him and never understood why.
Now the Giants are insensitive to the players needs as individuals... Â
...It's confusing one word for the other. In other words a lack of intelligence. Which comes as no surprise.
And oh my god I was wrong about a guy anonymously posting on a fan message board. How ever will I live that one down???????
Well obviously you have never used an IPad w/ auto correct before but hey you hang on to that ok big guy if that is all you got.
You really would have done better to just come on here and admit that you're a dickstain who made an ass of himself on the first thread. But you can't do that because you lack the nads to man-up about it. It's really not surprising given your track record on here. This is why you get so much abuse all the time, you continuously act like a petulant child. Is that "incitefull"enough for you?
RE: RE: RE: RE: LMAO...so where are all those posters who unequivocally called Â
Standup move BK, glad you joined BBI. Hope we can get some great incite from you as the season goes along.
LOL. That thread certainly was a hoot, wasn't it?
What's even funnier is watching to Torrag's feeble attempt at trying to save face..Ha
And then taking something someone just said to him and saying it back. Haha.
It's all he has to hang onto. He was such an idiot on the other thread about this that he has to seize on anything at this point..lol, it's hilarious to watch
What do you think of our current group of LBers? What's your thoughts on Unga and Kennard specifically? and why is it that we've been terrible at covering TEs, in your opinion.
Thanks for coming on here to answer questions and comment.
Torrag, you just can't take the L and move on with some dignity Â
Completely disagree with your take on TC being overrated and Eli sucking in the regular season. It seems obvious that Eli was operating a highly volotile Gilbride offense for years and now under McAdoo we are seeing the overall stats matchup with the clutch play that has always been there.
That said, I agree with you about Kiwi. I have always felt the Giants messed with his career by making him an LB and constantly switching him around. He was supposed to be a DE period.
One last thing about TC. Do you ever feel like he was showing you tough love because he saw more potential in you? Maybe he wanted you to be "meaner" or more physical and thought that by constantly being up your ass he might bring this out of you on the field? Just curious to hear what you think.
Anyway, thanks for all your thoughts. You seem like a great guy. Beautiful family. Be well.
Hey Bryan. Thanks for stopping by. Hope you will become a fixture on BBI. Random question for you… Most of us on BBI would love to see the 1980s throwback uniforms with "Giants" on the side of the helmet, but obviously the team has not come through for us yet. In your experience, did the players ever ask for these throwbacks to be worn, and/or do you think we will be wearing those uniforms anytime soon? While we are on the subject, how good are Skiba and the Giants equipment staff compared to St. Louis, Washington and Kansas City, and for what reasons (any examples)?
What was the game where there was a half time issue? Â
some of the dipshits who wouldn't have the balls to say what they're saying now if they were face to face with him.
Should've never drafted that soft....loser in the 1st place.
Dave in Hoboken : 10/11/2015 2:48 pm : link
Awful pick. Just another awful LB under this regime.
^^^^Dave in Hoboken revealed as a total hypocrite Â
Thanks for posting and answering questions. You have done a great job so far on handling the less than "nice" posters. That right there tells me what kind of person you seem to be.
Please, please, please continue answering the legit questions. I know that it takes a lot of time on your part. Maybe Eric or someone could co-ordinate with on some questions and your answers so that we can get mo' info outta you and your time is not impinged on too much.
Two comments from me:
1) Beautiful family!
2) I wish that I could live inside of that body of yours for an hour. I am old, disabled and hurt a ton. It would be nice to experience what it would be like to be a NY Giant linebacker.
Would still love to know how you qualify that you weren't a 'Spags guy'. We've all heard about what a PITA Coughlin could be to work for, but everything you read about Spags makes him sound like the consummate player's coach.
I thanked you for coming onto BBI in the other thread - and I thank you again in this one. Your presence has led to some very interesting conversation.
What gidiefor said. Whether we agree with you 100% or not doesn't change that it's awesome you popped up here on BBI.
RE: RE: I hope Kehl continues to post here despite Â
some of the dipshits who wouldn't have the balls to say what they're saying now if they were face to face with him.
Should've never drafted that soft....loser in the 1st place.
Dave in Hoboken : 10/11/2015 2:48 pm : link
Awful pick. Just another awful LB under this regime.
Reading Kehls comments despite disagreeing with many of his points. I kinda get the feeling that TC doesnt really tolerate the guys "at the end" of the roster (for lack of a better phrase) as well as he should. I can see that being the case.
Also, Spags brought so many guys from NY I figured Kehl was one of his guys. Interesting that it was the opposite.
Great seeing you post here - me and my "inner circle" of Giants fans always liked your skill set and some of us thought you had the ability to really take your game to the next level. Unfortunately that didn't occur.
I'm not biting on any of the other guys shenanigans - but I have a real question for you (it might've been asked, but I'm not rifling through 4 pages of back and forth here!): Was the team really "flattened" by Plax's incident in 08' - or did you guys just lose the momentum after the bye going into the Divisional round against Philly?
As a fan, I put 93' and 08' right there as years we SHOULD'VE WON, with 93' being a lot more heartbraking and that team just simply running out of gas. I'd love to read your response on this!
RE: Ha, that's awesome, good to see you're back BK! Â
Would still love to know how you qualify that you weren't a 'Spags guy'. We've all heard about what a PITA Coughlin could be to work for, but everything you read about Spags makes him sound like the consummate player's coach.
Was it just a schematic issue or was it personal?
The reports out St. Louis painted a pretty terrible picture of him. Sounded like he was pretty universally hated by players.
Let me clarify why this is the stupidest post in BBI history
Torrag : 10/12/2015 3:57 pm : link
If you think this is him you're a fucking moron.
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Torrag : 10/12/2015 4:08 pm : link
you just became the posterboy for the BBI Mouthbreathers Association. Kudos.
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This is a fraud
Torrag : 10/13/2015 12:18 am : link
Many of you wish he were the real deal so you can delude yourself into believing you've had a 'peak behind the curtain'. Nothing has been posted that couldn't be sourced by an unemployed basement dweller with broadband and an afternoon to kill. Can't figure out the coding to post pics then email them to Eric to verify. Don't hold your breath though it ain't happening.
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Torrag : 10/13/2015 12:31 am : link
..and many other useless shitheads is who.
Would still love to know how you qualify that you weren't a 'Spags guy'. We've all heard about what a PITA Coughlin could be to work for, but everything you read about Spags makes him sound like the consummate player's coach.
Was it just a schematic issue or was it personal?
The reports out St. Louis painted a pretty terrible picture of him. Sounded like he was pretty universally hated by players.
St. Louis or NO? I don't recall anything like that in STL, and some searches seem to indicate that he was actually liked by the players there. See the link below.
The same didn't apply in that one disastrous year he spent in NO, but that situation seemed like a no-win from the jump given Bountygate.
conversing with..So he made a mistake, but I certainly don't blame him..Any person without a life can dig up stuff on a player..This is the internet are you flucking kidding me? Details about players are unearthed all the time..How people dig up some of the shit I read is awesome..
This stuff about, "only the guy himself could know so much about what goes on" is nuts..You can't walk out of your house without winding up on youtube or twitter..
So torrag got it wrong, BFD..Kettle/pot here..The same people who accuse him of digging in are the same people who have been proven to be immovable on certain subjects here as well..
There are so many trolls on here who contribute nothing and do nothing but stir the pot. Makes this site torture at times...
I was on the fence with whether or not BK was the real deal..My first instinct was Troll, but a fantastic one..Besides, he's the first person ever to spell Spags as Spagz, so that to me was a no-no..:)..He's proven to be the real deal and his perspective is always welcome..
Finally, I've seen a bunch of you fight to the end when people are coming at you from all angles. Most of us do it, even when we're proven wrong because no one enjoys being personally attacked. Some can walk away from that. Others can't..Perhaps most can't..
Let me clarify why this is the stupidest post in BBI history
Torrag : 10/12/2015 3:57 pm : link
If you think this is him you're a fucking moron.
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d in la
Torrag : 10/12/2015 4:08 pm : link
you just became the posterboy for the BBI Mouthbreathers Association. Kudos.
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This is a fraud
Torrag : 10/13/2015 12:18 am : link
Many of you wish he were the real deal so you can delude yourself into believing you've had a 'peak behind the curtain'. Nothing has been posted that couldn't be sourced by an unemployed basement dweller with broadband and an afternoon to kill. Can't figure out the coding to post pics then email them to Eric to verify. Don't hold your breath though it ain't happening.
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Torrag : 10/13/2015 12:31 am : link
..and many other useless shitheads is who.
saying they suck. Most of them have spent far more effort in the career than the vast majority of fans have done in theirs. It's not easy making it to the NFL, let alone succeeding in the NFL. It's easy to say someone sucks, when the reality is that almost any NFL player (even if they were cut before the first game rookie season) can whoop ass at any position of almost any BBI poster.
The only ones we should heap scorn upon are the ones with a natural ability, but who don't work at it to take the most advantage of the ability.
NFL spots are a premier position, limited in number, and in the public spotlight. Not too many of us can say we've made it to such a rare level in our careers. You don't have to suck his dick, but show at least show a little bit of class.
that said, did anyone else find it kind of humorous that he said he couldn't master birth control any better than he did defense?
And what BBI should take notice. Bryan has been attacked, ridiculed, etc etc here right or wrong. But what he's done is he listens to response and doesn't respond with back atchya personal insults.Instead, He tries and certainly does back up his stance with facts and etc . Takes criticism and moves on.
Thanks Bryan for all your input/opinions etc..whether agree or not, it's good to have you post.
What's ironic is that as soon as he was through posting for the day the thread morphed into an internecine pissing contest.
Hope he comes back.
RE: Kehl's story about being given shit for his virginity Â
It's easy to watch, say, Markus Kuhn or Brendan Ryan, and grouse about how much he sucks and why the hell is he getting on the field. If you actually think about it for a minute, though, these guys are some of the best in the world at what they do. Millions of kids play football or baseball. Of those, only tens of thousands of them are good enough to play collegiately. Of those tens of thousands, only a small percentage of them are good enough to play professionally.
Guys like that may not be the top 1% of their profession, but they ARE in the top 5% of everyone who ever tried to play the game. Markus Kuhn is better than any football player I ever played with or against (except for that cheating bastard Eddie George who wasn't even supposed to be on FUMA's high school team, but I digress). Brendan Ryan is a better baseball player than anyone I ever played with or against. There was a kid who completely dominated my Little League. Big star pitcher in high school, big star in college, was drafted by the Cubs. He never made it out of AA - and he was pretty terrible at that level too. I sometimes try to remember that to give me perspective.
threads reinstated which were banned due to pissing matches and insults is to start a thread asking for reinstatement which includes a number of pissing matches and insults.
saying they suck. Most of them have spent far more effort in the career than the vast majority of fans have done in theirs. It's not easy making it to the NFL, let alone succeeding in the NFL. It's easy to say someone sucks, when the reality is that almost any NFL player (even if they were cut before the first game rookie season) can whoop ass at any position of almost any BBI poster.
The only ones we should heap scorn upon are the ones with a natural ability, but who don't work at it to take the most advantage of the ability.
NFL spots are a premier position, limited in number, and in the public spotlight. Not too many of us can say we've made it to such a rare level in our careers. You don't have to suck his dick, but show at least show a little bit of class.
that said, did anyone else find it kind of humorous that he said he couldn't master birth control any better than he did defense?
Back in the late 70's, after college, I played USCLA club lacrosse and ran on the same midfield line with a guy who had played a year with the Falcons at TE and then played a few years with the Montreal Alouettes in the CFL. All I can say is that to call anyone who played in the NFL (outside of Deion Sanders) soft is absurd. If all these internet tough guys met any of these players on the field they'd be crying for Mama in short order. I also think that we are just beginning to realize the physical toll playing the game at that level takes on these players.
And what BBI should take notice. Bryan has been attacked, ridiculed, etc etc here right or wrong. But what he's done is he listens to response and doesn't respond with back atchya personal insults.Instead, He tries and certainly does back up his stance with facts and etc . Takes criticism and moves on.
Thanks Bryan for all your input/opinions etc..whether agree or not, it's good to have you post.
What's ironic is that as soon as he was through posting for the day the thread morphed into an internecine pissing contest.
Hope he comes back.
Ha..true. a shame. Through the muddled garbage..there were/are some good questions by some to him. Good to get some insight from him whether one agrees or not with him.
that is sort of my mantra that I pound most days here.
I just don't get the incessant whining about a player "sucking" or impressions that players don't give effort based on results.
It is funny, because if Kuhn had the same traits he does now as a hard worker and a guy who gives maximum effort, if he was a FB, BBI would love him - because evaluation of FB's is pretty poor around here.
Even when our guys don't perform to what we think they should, the outright vitriol throw their way is an embarrassment at times.
that is sort of my mantra that I pound most days here.
I just don't get the incessant whining about a player "sucking" or impressions that players don't give effort based on results.
It is funny, because if Kuhn had the same traits he does now as a hard worker and a guy who gives maximum effort, if he was a FB, BBI would love him - because evaluation of FB's is pretty poor around here.
Even when our guys don't perform to what we think they should, the outright vitriol throw their way is an embarrassment at times.
But at least they know the difference between a trainer and a doctor
'Suck' is inherently relative - nobody thinks they can outplay any of these guys, but when the compared population is professional players, there will be some bad ones.
That's not to defend some of the ridiculous reactions seen on the forum. To Greg's point, I've played pickup hockey with guys who got cut from junior teams and they were unbelievable - definitely gave me a better appreciation of how elite even the bad players in the professional leagues are.
RE: RE: RE: Ha, that's awesome, good to see you're back BK! Â
Would still love to know how you qualify that you weren't a 'Spags guy'. We've all heard about what a PITA Coughlin could be to work for, but everything you read about Spags makes him sound like the consummate player's coach.
Was it just a schematic issue or was it personal?
The reports out St. Louis painted a pretty terrible picture of him. Sounded like he was pretty universally hated by players.
St. Louis or NO? I don't recall anything like that in STL, and some searches seem to indicate that he was actually liked by the players there. See the link below.
The same didn't apply in that one disastrous year he spent in NO, but that situation seemed like a no-win from the jump given Bountygate.
Aside from the highly publicized incident with the equipment manager that was let go, I don't recall anything in STL that would make him seem hated by his players. Doesn't mean he wasn't, or that some of them didn't dislike him and just keep it quiet. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/burwell-be-smart-keep-spagnuolo/article_914bbdf8-17c7-5f78-9866-f5e39a987e87.html - ( New Window )
I hope Kehl continues to post here despite
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some of the dipshits who wouldn't have the balls to say what they're saying now if they were face to face with him.
Should've never drafted that soft....loser in the 1st place.
Dave in Hoboken : 10/11/2015 2:48 pm
Awful pick. Just another awful LB under this regime.
I've taken some shots on this thread and I've dealt a few but this guy is a piece of work.^^^^
I wonder how many BBIers prior to BK's unveiling here as a master of BBCode thought he was a failure as a draft pick and a Giant and sounded off on his career in uncomplimentary terms. My memory seems to indicate it was most of BBI. I get it. You like having an ex Giant posting here. An ex NFLer has a lot to offer with his insights into the game. You don't want him driven away.
Bryan I hope you post on BBI in the future just watch what you say about TC. Respect for ones elders shows character...Winston Wolf.
You know I love bears! Top three animal of all-time (behind dogs, tied with monkeys).
And yes, I have no doubt that if I played against Girardi, Tanner Glass, and John Scott I'd probably never have the puck for more than a couple seconds before getting demolished. These athletes are really impressive.
You know I love bears! Top three animal of all-time (behind dogs, tied with monkeys).
And yes, I have no doubt that if I played against Girardi, Tanner Glass, and John Scott I'd probably never have the puck for more than a couple seconds before getting demolished. These athletes are really impressive.
Those guys would be wrong, though. He was a fourth round pick who saw the field as a starter and held his own.
Was he great? No, not by a longshot. He's produced some stats that point to him being better than a lot of us (myself included) thought he was. But nobody was confusing him with Lawrence Taylor.
Then again, with a mid-round selection, that's about the best you can hope for. He exceeded expectations, IMO.
If you're going to be an engineer or a computer scientist Â
Thanks for posting on here Bryan! Really good stuff and I hope you will post now and again, as you can provide a perspective none of us have.
As for the Torrags and other posters who get on the guy for not being LT or loving Coughlin, grow up. Coughlin has been an excellent coach, but to think he is infallible or beyond reproach is just silly. We admire the guy because we love the way he carries himself in public and results he generates on the field. That is a much different perspective than someone that plays for him. I'm glad to hear that perspective.
Bryan could have come on here and said "The Giants are the best organization in the world and Tom Coughlin and Steve Spagnuolo are the most inspiring coaches and men I have ever known" and everyone would have called him an all time great Giant and lobbied to put him in the Ring of Honor. Instead he came on here and gave us his honest perspective, and we were treated to a great thread.
If you want to hear how great the Giants and all their coaches are, you can go to Giants.com and get all the fluff you can stomach. This was great stuff fans rarely to get to hear, and I think most of us appreciate that.
RE: I wasn't aware of Kehl's back story until today... Â
But you can be sure that the Giants were well aware of all of it before trading up in the 4th round to get him. So they knew they were bringing an adopted bi-racial kid from Utah who didn't drink, smoke, do drugs or have sex into a mostly black locker room in the NYC area. It seems to me if you are going to make that kind of commitment to a player, you would be more understanding and do a better job of making him feel welcome.
I was actually wondering in general how BYU athletes fared in the NFL and other sports. They are generally older when they are rookies and their previous peer/locker room cultures were likely much different (I would imagine). Would it be uncommon to have a socialization issue and does that effect their individual or group play? Do they have a harder time relating to their teammates or do their teammates and coaches have a harder time relating to them. If the team all of the sudden breaks out a rendition of "Hasa Diga Eebowai", do the BYU players join in?
Not just BYU players, but there are likely other examples as well. WHat if you graduated from a place like Liberty University, for example, would you also have adaption issues? In baseball they talk a lot about wrt Latin or Japanese players, but there can be other types of cultural issues as well.
Thanks for posting on here Bryan! Really good stuff and I hope you will post now and again, as you can provide a perspective none of us have.
As for the Torrags and other posters who get on the guy for not being LT or loving Coughlin, grow up. Coughlin has been an excellent coach, but to think he is infallible or beyond reproach is just silly. We admire the guy because we love the way he carries himself in public and results he generates on the field. That is a much different perspective than someone that plays for him. I'm glad to hear that perspective.
Bryan could have come on here and said "The Giants are the best organization in the world and Tom Coughlin and Steve Spagnuolo are the most inspiring coaches and men I have ever known" and everyone would have called him an all time great Giant and lobbied to put him in the Ring of Honor. Instead he came on here and gave us his honest perspective, and we were treated to a great thread.
If you want to hear how great the Giants and all their coaches are, you can go to Giants.com and get all the fluff you can stomach. This was great stuff fans rarely to get to hear, and I think most of us appreciate that.
Hey man, thanks for posting! Stick around, your insight is greatly appreciated, and please don't take any of the comments about your play or time at NYG to heart or personally - this is a fanbase that turned on one of their 2 or 3 best offensive players ever after he said something mean about Coughlin and Eli (Tiki), so I'm not surprised there was some vitriol after that interview, but your honest insight was definitely appreciated by most!
Also, when you're browsing the forum, you can sort the threads by "last post" by clicking the "last post" column header. Makes it easier to browse and is the way most of us peruse the forum.
I'm not getting the repeated 'grow up' references Â
When did honestly expressing your opinion rather than mouthing platitudes become immature? I didn't think he was much of a player. If they were being forthright most of the fans would say the same. So you'd rather be an autograph seeking kissup to gain access to his NFL experience. Kind of like kids at the fence with their pens at the ready with their yearbook or memoribilia to sign. But I'm the immature one. I see. As if there is a code you must follow if any ex Giant pops up on the radar no matter his contributions on the field.
Now if you said I could be nicer or politer about it well you may have a point.
RE: You guys want to to go all moon eyed and star fucker be my guest Â
You might want to wait until an actual star posts here. He was a JAG during his career. My loyalty is to the head coach that actually contributed to bringing The Lombardi Trophy to NY...twice.
I'll readily grant that as a man that played in the NFL his football knowledge is superior and dwarfs anyone on BBI. Don't expect a warm welcome from me if you come to BBI with a target on TC. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Holy shit, shut the fuck up.
I guarantee everyone here would rather have Kehl on the board than you. At least he provides insight, Xs and Os takeaways, a first hand look at the NFL, and most importantly, isn't a dick like you're being.
RE: I'm not getting the repeated 'grow up' references Â
When did honestly expressing your opinion rather than mouthing platitudes become immature? I didn't think he was much of a player. If they were being forthright most of the fans would say the same. So you'd rather be an autograph seeking kissup to gain access to his NFL experience. Kind of like kids at the fence with their pens at the ready with their yearbook or memoribilia to sign. But I'm the immature one. I see. As if there is a code you must follow if any ex Giant pops up on the radar no matter his contributions on the field.
Now if you said I could be nicer or politer about it well you may have a point.
He wasn't a great player. That has nothing to do with treating the guy with respect. He was a good enough player to get drafted into the NFL, and play for 6 years. That's pretty impressive. As far as I know, in his time with the Giants he represented the franchise well.
If you think guys that don't become stars for your team "suck" or aren't worthy of being treated with common respect, then you absolutely need to grow up.
RE: I'm not getting the repeated 'grow up' references Â
When did honestly expressing your opinion rather than mouthing platitudes become immature? I didn't think he was much of a player. If they were being forthright most of the fans would say the same. So you'd rather be an autograph seeking kissup to gain access to his NFL experience. Kind of like kids at the fence with their pens at the ready with their yearbook or memoribilia to sign. But I'm the immature one. I see. As if there is a code you must follow if any ex Giant pops up on the radar no matter his contributions on the field.
Now if you said I could be nicer or politer about it well you may have a point.
I just don't get what you have to gain by trashing a guy when he's showing up and adding value to the board.
What's the point? Why?
Is it really sacrilegious to say anything negative about Coughlin, Eli, or any other Giants players held in high regard?
There's absolutely no need for scorn or being an asshole.
I don't think I was disrespectful. The single worst thing I said was I thought he was a mediocre player. Relationships are a two way street. When one goes wrong both parties are usually culpable. Is that so hard to hear? You guys want access. I get it. I doubt the guy is so thin skinned he's going into tears right now.
for 20 years and I can't remember a time a player or former Giant showed up in the message board (aside from tiki and feagles doing their live chat). very cool of you to show up in the lion's den.
yeah you really captured the essence of my posts dude. you've really got your finger on the pulse of BBI dude. you're the defender of the people dude. Ugh.
So responding to someone making an arbitrary comment... Â
yeah you really captured the essence of my posts dude. you've really got your finger on the pulse of BBI dude. you're the defender of the people dude. Ugh.
We all cheer for the laundry, but sometimes you need to have some perspective that the laundry is being worn by real people who play this game for a living.
This is a message board. You get that right? Where you post your thoughts, opinions, humor(this one is for you)...so get over the political thread ban it's a yearly event and likely goes to the wayside soon enough.
yeah you really captured the essence of my posts dude. you've really got your finger on the pulse of BBI dude. you're the defender of the people dude. Ugh.
Alas! I want to thank you, honorable gentleman, for elucidating on the errors of my ways; for if only I had structured my post in a less colloquial fashion, only then would I have the honor of conveying my message in an fashion acceptable to the great Torrag's ear. O! What an egregious mistake I have made! After all, this is no place for the casual banter that the bourgeois and plebeians sully the streets with! For this is BIG BLUE INTERACTIVE, the bastion of formality!
Get the fuck outta here with that shit. I think I got the essence of your message down pretty much pat DUDE, considering every single other poster is calling you out for being a mega-douchebag.
So maybe you should take a look at your posts and try to see how they came off as utterly dickish instead of trying to triple-down and making yourself look like an even bigger dickhead.
This is a message board. You get that right? Where you post your thoughts, opinions, humor(this one is for you)...so get over the political thread ban it's a yearly event and likely goes to the wayside soon enough.
Wait, it's a message board DUDE? I thought that there was some sort of negative or downside for using casual terminology to address others, like DUDE - but that doesn't seem to jive with how message boards tend to operate, BRO.
And there's nothing arbitrary about ron mexico's post Â
We'd rather you not chase off a poster who can bring more to the table than 99% of the other posters on the site. For some reason, you've got an axe to grind and a point to prove.
We had a bye, then played Philly in the Divisional round...I watched from the sideline as Westbrook torched our slow LBs on the field.
I have a lasting image stuck in my head of westbrook torching antonio pierce on what ended up being like a 65 yard TD catch and run. If i remember correctly, there was an image of it on the front page of the NYDN i think.
just wanted to tell you that you have a lovely family and I wish nothing but the best for you and them. Nice of you to join the site... even if only for a little while.
Just to back up a little, I didn't mean to come off so strong. But when you say things like:
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So it begs the question why should anything you have to say be taken seriously on the subject of Tom and his ability to interact with players? If you had performed better maybe it would have been reflected in your relationship with him.
I don't know what kind of reaction you expected.
The answer is obvious - maybe he should be taken seriously because he played for him for a couple years? Trying to contend that his experiences are irrelevant and useless because of his performance on the field is asinine.
He's speaking from his own personal experiences, and if you want to add in the conjecture that you don't want to take it seriously because you believe it was a product of his on field performance, that's your perogative.
But he doesn't need to prove anything to you. Kehl is speaking about his experiences, and you can draw whatever conclusions from it you want.
Coughlin has been known as a hardass throughout his career, granted moreso at some points during his career than others, but you don't need to shit on a player who's doing a cool thing by coming to the board by telling him "well you sucked, and maybe that's why Coughlin didn't like you, so why do your experiences even matter?"
It's such an over the top reflexive defensive mechanism for a man you've never met.
And it's pretty obvious that there were other plays who didn't always like Coughlin, including those on the Superbowl teams (Strahan...).
So instead of just calling you names and being an asshole back, I wanted to at least point out where I was coming from with my characterization of your tone/comments.
who appreciate how you handle yourself at camp in Albany. It's the thing I remember most about your time with the Giants. Seemed like a high character guy at the time - what I read today enforces that opinion. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.
When my son was a lot younger he asked tons of questions, about players on all his favorite teams. When a question arose about whether or not a guy "sucked" I'd tell him it was relative. Maybe the guy wasnt a top-level player, but what if YOU made it to the NFL? Would you suck?
I'm glad that today he realizes just what level pro athletes are at, and that none of them simply "suck."
'Suck' is inherently relative - nobody thinks they can outplay any of these guys, but when the compared population is professional players, there will be some bad ones.
That's not to defend some of the ridiculous reactions seen on the forum. To Greg's point, I've played pickup hockey with guys who got cut from junior teams and they were unbelievable - definitely gave me a better appreciation of how elite even the bad players in the professional leagues are.
You know I love bears! Top three animal of all-time (behind dogs, tied with monkeys).
And yes, I have no doubt that if I played against Girardi, Tanner Glass, and John Scott I'd probably never have the puck for more than a couple seconds before getting demolished. These athletes are really impressive.
Got stiffed armed to the ground by a QB and talk like a superstar... You suck and no NFL linebacker should ever let that happen... Go Coughlin and every coach that released you from their team.
Oh, you must be talking about this play? LOL. LOL If getting stiff armed by Vick was the worst part of my time in the NFL...I'll join a long list of capable men...and smile big at the end of the day ;)
I didn't get involved in the other thread and I disagree with your take on Coughlin being overrated, but I do concede that from the outside it does appear that he is the type of boss most of us would not enjoy working for in our own occupations. It doesn't surprise me in the least that some of his players may not be the biggest fan of the guy personally. You probably have a lot of company among his former players, but I think your feelings about him personally have an impact on your perception of him as a coach. Curious as to why you are so down on Spags as a coach?
It's cool you would post here and address this.
I have NO IDEA what he is like nowadays...all I can speak for is 2008, 2010-11. (His results in '12 in NO speak for themselves)
But in STL he just lost the locker room. Absolutely a great Defensive mind. No doubt about it. He just has Napoleon complex to the Max!! Almost a bit resentful of guys in NFL...as if he was mad they made it, and he didn't. Some of the things he said to people - I mean I've seen him cuss out players as if they were a dog. I'm serious. Most NFL coaches will cuss you out. But Spagz was in a league of his own.
Because of that, and poor personnel decisions, STL was a total disaster.
thanks for joining BBI and confirming it's you. Over the years we've speculated that we had on Tyrone Wheatley for a little while.
I'm curious about a couple of things during your Giants tenure-
- How much did Plaxico shooting himself distract the team/took the air out of them because up to that point, the Giants were the best team in the NFL in 2008 and after that had to sputter to the finish.
- And you mentioned about players messing with substances. There were rumblings that the Giants secondary (in particular) enjoyed weed a little too much. So much so that even O'Hara pretty much called them out about it in the press to act like professionals. Did you see that as well?
That Plaxico thing totally derailed our season. I mean - 11-1 before he gets arrested....go 1-4 after.
I don't know how much was mental, or just messed with the rhythm of our team. On O - they just started stacking the box, and shut down our run game. On D - we were banged up already, and matched up poorly against Philly who beat us 2 out of 3 that year. So it was many things - but I think we might have made a run if Plax never did that.
I think it might have been someone who grew up across the street from me, and was the younger brother of my childhood best friend. One of the more intense people, even as a kid, I ever knew.
Was he more tolerable as a DC in NY than as the HC in STL, as if he felt he had to turn up the intensity on the tough-guy act when he was the head coach?
RE: Bryan, I share the sentiment that it is cool of you to chime in here Â
Talking about the positives...who were your favorite coaches, and teammates? Who were some underrated guys that you think might have had better careers if they played (besides yourself, of course!)?
Lots of Coaches are dicks, and many players you don't want to spend 5 minutes with. But there are also studs mixed in too.
NY - my fav coach was either Pope or Waffle. Fav teammates: T2, Sintim, Deossie, Chase, Feagles, Tynes, RW, Sam Madison, O Hara, Toomer, Boss.
STL - Lopez and Curtis fav coaches. Players: Laurinaitis, Long, OJ, Dahl, Chamberlain were all studs.
WAS - I really liked Shanahan and Haslett. London Fletcher is head and shoulders above any teammate...and its not even close. Probably the best pro I was ever around. Alexander, Doughty are both close behind.
Im curious to know your thoughts on the Giants S & C program and how you feel it plays into injuries on the field? Thanks.
Not sure how it is now, but when I was there it was surprisingly old school. I think that probably contributes a tad to the soft tissue injuries. Could have used more new school methods. I love Jerry P though - one of the best guys I was ever around in the league.
not sure if you caught this question before Bryan but I think Â
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Im curious to know your thoughts on the Giants S & C program and how you feel it plays into injuries on the field? Thanks.
mostly played for rivals, how could any football fan not marvel at London Fletcher? He might be one of my favorite non-Giants ever from a respect standpoint.
Darrell Green and Roger Staubach are right up there.
I actually saw BKehl play in college since I went to UNLV and we always played and got whipped by BYU.
I always thought that he was productive enough when he got on the field. He was at least as productive as Reggie Torbor, Danny Clark, Carlos Emmons, and the cast of about 100 linebackers that seems to be constantly evolving yearly.
Do I think TC is a tough guy to work for? Yeah probably. For some reason, he and Kehl didn't seem to get along. It does seem like sour grapes that TC gets criticized and called overrated after Kehl's career is over. But, the gap between the 53rd guy on the roster and the perennial pro bowler probably isn't that great from a talent perspective. So I can see how it might come down to personality conflict from time to time, and so I gotta ask:
When you weren't being played, did you ever go in to see either Spags or TC and be like, "Listen, I'm producing on the field, why aren't I being played?" If so, what was their reaction?
As a rookie, I was too scared to do anything like that. 2nd year - I was stuck behind Boley. They paid him, and he was good at making plays here and there, so I knew there wasn't much I could do. Then they cut me year 3.
Is Coughlin one of the coaches who cusses players? Â
I remember you playing well in a big win vs. the Steelers in 08, then a few games later Chase Blackburn was starting over you. What happened?
As someone else asked earlier, how do you feel about Spags as a coordinator?
Hope you are doing well and thank you for taking the time to interact with the fans.
They never said a word - they just benched me. I started vs SF and Pitt...that pic someone posted of the INT, the guy rolled me up and tore a ligament in my foot, but I played the rest of the game. After the MRI, they didn't think I would be able to play the next week. So they put Chase in for me at Will in practice. I ended up dressing and playing Spec teams...but no D. And then they just left it like that for the rest of the year. Never even said a word to me about it.
yeah, I've never heard a bad word about London Fletcher Â
Hey Bryan. Thanks for stopping by. Hope you will become a fixture on BBI. Random question for you… Most of us on BBI would love to see the 1980s throwback uniforms with "Giants" on the side of the helmet, but obviously the team has not come through for us yet. In your experience, did the players ever ask for these throwbacks to be worn, and/or do you think we will be wearing those uniforms anytime soon? While we are on the subject, how good are Skiba and the Giants equipment staff compared to St. Louis, Washington and Kansas City, and for what reasons (any examples)?
Guys asked for different things all the time. TC is hard to move. I think they got torched by Dallas in those red unis in 07...so TC put a ban on them or something. lol.
Yeah, Skiba is the best. That guy cares more about his role than most players on the team!! lol
Oh yeah... I actually do have a few things to add... Â
Someone mentioned about hearing how Rams players hated Spags back when he was in ST. Louis. I also remember reading an article on here about how he treated both players and personnel while he was the HC there. I specifically remember him supposedly cussing out the equipment manager pretty bad and that guy had been with the organization for a long time. I think someone posted the article either right before or right after we hired him back here earlier this year.
Also, just wanted to commend you for keeping your cool and keeping a good spirit about you Bryan, despite a lot of the stuff said about and to you during your visit here. Very big of you.
I did mock draft Bryan Kehl as well as Goff that year (was it the same year? it blends)
aaaand, have often laughed when the BBI know-it alls attempt to slap down some new poster, wondering "what if that new guys is a current or former player?" hahahaha.
As for me, I truly don't know crap about football, never played, but just for shits and kicks, over ten years later (freebluelove, alligatorpie) have had a very good record of figuring out something that I really have no way of really understanding.
RE: Ha, that's awesome, good to see you're back BK! Â
Would still love to know how you qualify that you weren't a 'Spags guy'. We've all heard about what a PITA Coughlin could be to work for, but everything you read about Spags makes him sound like the consummate player's coach.
Was it just a schematic issue or was it personal?
It just depends on who the player was. Example - he loves Craig Dahl. Has taken him everywhere. Dahl loves Spagz. Now, go find James Butler and ask him about Spagz and you will get a MUCH different answer.
TC did us a favor by banning those red jerseys lol Â
You say Coughlin is an excellent coach and overrated. It's your opinion of course, but let me draw a parallel here. You laud Mike Shanahan as a brilliant Offensive mind and an excellent HC. Yet, after Elway and Davis left the Broncos I believe he won 1, perhaps 2 playoff games in roughly 15 other seasons. I believe he's living off the reputation that Elway and Davis helped him create and did very little subsequent to their departures.
If anything, he's extremely overrated and his attempt at trying to distance himself from RG III from something he as the HC was almost totally responsible for by indirectly knocking RG III with his statement that Kirk Cousins is capable of winning a SB, which on its face is beyond absurd..
You praise Kyle and the work he's doing in Atlanta as if Atlanta wasn't putting up impressive offensive numbers (with Ryan, White, Jones, Gonzales et al through the years) before he arrived. Offense has not been a problem since Ryan became the franchise, Defense has been..
Regardless, welcome aboard
Interesting....didn't Butler follow Spags to the Rams, though? Â
Thanks so much for coming on here and interacting with the fans. It's a real treat, and that Pit game in 08 when you got that INT was one of my favorite regular season Giants games of the past 10 years.
Question - What was it like going to school and being an athlete at BYU, where the reputation is that people don't have as much.....fun, as at other schools?
Awesome of you to do this. Quick 2 questions regarding BBI.
1. Do other players read the forum during the season for shits and giggles?
2. Did you and other players read the game threads and make the game adjustments that the BBI braintrust would lead you to believe that's what is holding us back from being a dynasty?
You're in camp you first year and you know unless you throw up on Coughlins good shoes you are making the team if only because you were a vested draft choice. My questions is the guys brought into camp with no shot of making the roster or practice squad who get minimal practice reps and maybe mop up time at the end of exhibition games, what motivates them to go through the agony of camp knowing they will be released and no one will pick them up? Seems like a fools errand just to say you went to a pro camp with no shot to make it
Bryan. Kind of a simple question. What kind of teammates were Tuck and OSI? Any comment about JPP in his first season with the Giants? What do you think of him now? Not including the firework incident.
enabled Jon Goff to suceed while you didn't? You seemed pretty similar, so far as size and AA went and according to both of your college records' of success and your combine measurables. But he worked his way up to starting Mike LB, and seemed like a TC favorite as well.
Curious that you didn't mention him as a comparison to you. Nor did you mention being friends with him even though you were part of the same draft class, played similar positions, and were even successive draft selections by Reese and co. Was there stiff competition between you two? Enmity perhaps?
RE: Bryan, what attributes, traits, or practices Â
enabled Jon Goff to suceed while you didn't? You seemed pretty similar, so far as size and AA went and according to both of your college records' of success and your combine measurables.
Goff was an ILB prospect and Kehl was an OLB prospect. That's how they were viewed by all the draftniks coming out of college and that's how they were projected by the Giants. They weren't in competition with each other. It was Boley that took reps from Kehl, not Goff.
SCOUTING REPORT: Two-year starter. Finished the 2007 season with 91 tackles, 11.5 tackles for a loss, 4 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovery, and 3 interceptions. Kehl combines good size and athleticism. He is a three-down linebacker with good speed and agility. Changes direction well. Strong. He is not the most aggressive linebacker out there and sometimes struggles to shed. He has very good intangibles – smart, instinctive, intense, and hard working. “Wow, he is really something when you talk to him,” one scout said. “He might have been the best interview at the entire Combine. He’s the kind of person you want on your team.” Scored a 29 on the Wonderlic. “Kehl is just a flat-out player,” said Kehl’s college coach. “He is one of those guys who is always around the football and is a ball hog and makes a lot of plays. I have talked to some people out there and they tell me one thing about this guy, he is not only an athlete but he has got a mind that is absolutely unreal and football is important to him.”
MEDIA Q&A WITH GENERAL MANAGER JERRY REESE:
Reese: Bryan Kehl is a linebacker from BYU. We liked him. He is a big athlete, can run, very, very smart, good in coverage. He played in a 3-4 defense as an outside backer. So we think he can play SAM or WILL for us. They are kind of interchangeable in our defense, to be honest with you. So those are things we liked about him. We moved up to get him because there were so many positive things about him. We had some extra picks in the sixth round so we moved up a few spots to pick him. But there is a lot of positive stuff about him – a clean guy. We think he will be a good football player for us; play on all of the special teams right away. We like him that way.
5th Round – LB Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt University (6-2, 245lbs, 4.72)
SCOUTING REPORT: Three-year starter. Goff finished the 2007 season with 113 tackles, 6.5 tackles for a loss, 3 sacks, and 2 interceptions. Goff has good size and is well built. There are conflicting reports on his overall athleticism and range. A little on the stiff side and not overly agile. Active and productive. Strong. Goff takes on blocks well and plays strong at the point of attack. He is not strong in man coverage. Excellent intangibles – smart, hardworking, and plays with an attitude. Twice voted team captain. Scored a 29 on the Wonderlic.
MEDIA Q&A WITH GENERAL MANAGER JERRY REESE:
Reese: The next man is Jonathan Goff, linebacker from Vanderbilt. We think he is a middle linebacker; very productive; very smart. He can play on all of the special teams. That is a common theme with us – got to play on all of the special teams; a young kid to bring into the fold, start developing some as a backup middle linebacker. He is smart. All of the things that we like about football players, those last two guys. So that was two good picks for us to give us some depth at linebacker and create some competition at some of those positions as well.
You freaking rock! Your posting is one of the coolest things I've seen around here. We have a lot of smart posters who know a thing or two about a few things but your insight as a player is really amazing. No kidding, you should listen to your wife and get into media. You have the mind the look and the chutzpah to go all the way. Just don't stop being so honest because that is what makes reading your opinions so interesting.
Thanks so much for stopping by. I hope you'll be a regular.
... I have a few questions about your tenure with the Giants that might help resolve some long-standing debates.
1) When Bill Sheridan took over from Spagnuolo, did the defense change much? The results obviously weren't as good. Do you think the problem in 2009 was more coaching or personnel (including injuries)?
2) Any thoughts on Sheridan's successor as linebackers coach, Jim Herrmann?
3) On a scale of 1 to 10:
a) How cheap was Flozell Adams's trip of Justin Tuck; and
b) How badly did the resulting shoulder injury affect Tuck in 2009 and beyond?
4) When he returned from a torn meniscus in 2009, was Osi Umenyiora freelancing and neglecting his assignments? Or was he just doing what the coaches wanted?
5) How does Tom Quinn compare to the other special teams coaches you worked with?
6) Lastly - on topic that spans the Giants and Rams - you hinted that James Butler is not a fan of Spagnuolo. Unlike you, Butler chose to follow Spagnuolo to St. Louis, and he was there throughout Spagnuolo's tenure (though his playing time diminished). What went wrong?
Bryan, thanks again for participating, and best wishes for your future endeavors. It would be great if more ex-Giants would stop by for these AMA-type exchanges.
Ha, that would have been excellent.
Anyway.
Dan in the Springs asked about why coverage matters on a blitz technique.
The coverage is critical. In a zone blitz, there is a defender for every possible receiver, and sometimes extra.
In a man blitz, every receiver has at least 1 guy covering him. If a back or TE blocks, the guy covering him needs to "add on" in order for the blitz to work. Otherwise, the back helps block a blitzer, the blitz is less effective, and the coverage was already more vulnerable bc its man. So 'usually' the DC will have guys in man cov add on when their guy stays in to protect. If the back/TE blocks you, you can't just put a move on him, he could slip out and be WIDE open for the Q to dump off to.
Sometimes you will see that happen too.
So the DC asks you to bull rush through him to the Q.
If the back/TE blocks a DL or blitzed, they are instructed that they now "have him"...they have to bull rush him to the Q. Same thing, you don't want him slipping out.
The best DCs add on in man blitz, cuz otherwise you end up with a cover guy floating in no mans land 5 yards off the LOS accomplishing nothing for the D.
Anyway, to answer your original Q - this is at least part of why you see blitzers running right into backs/TEs.
this has been a fascinating thread and if we were trolled, the guy at least knows his shit about the teams Kehl's been with.
I disagree with his take that TC is overrated, but I'm glad to hear his opinion and he's stated his objections well.
Much like I'd expect from a hairless chest, pink wearing sonofabitch:)
Well played sir. I won't disagree either.
I too, am a believer in "who is the common denominator"
But it really was just 2 teams - NY and STL.
My complaints are about Spagz and Coughlin. Not the other coaches I played for.
BlueLou : 10/12/2015 4:30 pm : link
Do you know of any other players in the nfl who use PEDS?
I've never tasted alcohol. Never smoked. Never used any drugs. Never any PEDS.
TONS of guys in the league do, though. They don't even test for HGH, so what is to stop guys from doing it? The honor system? Yeah right. So it's really anybodys best guess exactly how many guys are on them. But guys are pretty careful about not admitting it...I only heard 1 guy flat out admit it.
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I was just trying to paint a picture, though. Early on, when I would show up a minute or 2 before the mtg began...I WASN'T THE ONLY GUY DOING IT.
There were plenty of other guys too...he just reacted to some guys differently. Don't think I am saying I was the only guy he didn't like too...there were plenty who got his wrath, and plenty who got a free pass too.
Some of you appreciate how I see it. The meeting is at 1:00. Be on time. If you aren't, I will fine you. Lets not make a big deal out of it.
You have to realize, there are like 10 different times a day to be late: mtgs, walk throughs, lifts, and practice. It was exhausting with everyone walking around tight butt holed.
It wasn't like that in STL, WAS, or KC. You still got fined if late...but nobody walked on egg shells.
Shanahan is a good coach too.
Oh, and yes it is true the whole every clock in the building is 5 min early. it is set that way. It gets exhausting too, cuz then you have to set all your own clocks 5 min early, and you forget which ones are or aren't, and it gets hard to keep track of. so if a mtg is scheduled at 1:00, in actuality TC wants you strolling in there at 12:50 real time.
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Instant legend on BBI
an_idol_mind : 10/13/2015 12:32 pm : link
in this post is the pointing out that other coaches Kehl has played under don't do what Coughlin does. The thing with that is that those other coaches don't have Coughlin's record of success, either.
The premise of the argument seems to be that if Coughlin did things differently, he'd be more successful. So how successful would he have been? Are we talking four Super Bowls? A string of 10 years without missing the playoffs?
If you're realistic about the landscape of the NFL, you'd have to accept that Coughlin has a terrific record as a head coach and that his rules are probably a part of why he has that success.
Coughlin is an excellent coach. I said that in the interview. I just think he gets more credit than he deserves.
The other coaches I played for? Spagz - trash. Romeo - mediocre at best as a HC. Shanahan - can't say enough good things about him. Awesome coach. Look at how well his Offenses do...look at Kyle's success in ATL this year. Shanahan sealed his fate when he sent RG3 out there with 1 leg though.
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Steve Filipowicz : 10/13/2015 12:48 pm : link
relate well with the other players.
He ate by himself and didn't iteract with other players. On the surface, then, not much of a team mate.
Why so aloof when FB is a team game?
Steve, I have the same question
SomeFan : 10/13/2015 2:17 pm : link
Even if from different backgrounds or nothing in common or I like meditating during lunch, one should try to connect with teammates. Maybe he did in other ways, not sure but you raise the same question I had.
I said in the article, that at times I ate by myself. Not always. TC hated it.
Every rookie gets hazed, but I got a ton of crap for being a virgin at the time. You get sick of it after a while, so sometimes you sit by yourself so you don't have to listen to the crap they say. Thats all.
Every year in the league after that, guys didn't care so much. I wasn't a rook anymore.
Torrag : 10/13/2015 12:31 am : link
..and many other useless shitheads is who.
If it makes you feel any better - I did live at my parents house in the off seasons until my 5th year in the league ;)
So it begs the question why should anything you have to say be taken seriously on the subject of Tom and his ability to interact with players? If you had performed better maybe it would have been reflected in your relationship with him. But you didn't so perhaps the reason your personal experience with the coach suffered. His realtionships with the over 100 players that earned Superbowl Championship rings on his watch appears to be on solid ground.
So it begs the question why should anything you have to say be taken seriously on the subject of Tom and his ability to interact with players? If you had performed better maybe it would have been reflected in your relationship with him. But you didn't so perhaps the reason your personal experience with the coach suffered. His realtionships with the over 100 players that earned Superbowl Championship rings on his watch appears to be on solid ground.
Now this is sour grapes. You're proving wrong, so instead of apologizing, you double down and take shots at the guy? Grow up.
He won the 1st race. He jumped the start...I didn't even see it, cuz I had my head down. Deossie was our starter, and told me afterwards that he jumped it. Im like "why didn't you stop it then?!?" Flipping Zak pussed out on me. Cost me $500 bucks too.
I won the 2nd race.
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Everybody including my wife wants me to. I think I have too much ADD to do it full time though. I will just continue to do bits and pieces.
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against Jacobs at least?
He won the 1st race. He jumped the start...I didn't even see it, cuz I had my head down. Deossie was our starter, and told me afterwards that he jumped it. Im like "why didn't you stop it then?!?" Flipping Zak pussed out on me. Cost me $500 bucks too.
I won the 2nd race.
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Have you popped your cherry??
You would think so Link - ( New Window )
Nice!! Congrats!
So it begs the question why should anything you have to say be taken seriously on the subject of Tom and his ability to interact with players? If you had performed better maybe it would have been reflected in your relationship with him. But you didn't so perhaps the reason your personal experience with the coach suffered. His realtionships with the over 100 players that earned Superbowl Championship rings on his watch appears to be on solid ground.
Bryan you're too good for this place, run away.
Thank you!! I mean that.
That was a priority to me. Its the same reason I am here now. I think athletes owe it to be accessible.
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Why get bent out of shape over this?
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Lol. Thanks man. I love all of you. Some of you I would love to demonstrate personally to whether or not I'm a "soft linebacker", but...they will never find out ;)
I didn't address his original OP because I doubted his voracity. I was wrong. Now I address his theory and I'm immature? I'm not the guy who is taking shots at the head coach who was part of the process that drafted him and gave him his first shot in the NFL. Does Mr. Kehl think Tom wanted him to play poorly? If you're loking for sour grapes I don't think I'm the one that has earned that distinction.
Shoot. Flippin Eli.
I think he is at times brilliant.
then at times he is one of the worst in the league.
I just spent a whole text thread among some former BYU players arguing Eli is more clutch than all the other Qs in the league.
He also sucks more when it doesn't matter. So I don't know...Eli is sporadic.
Hate to have him week 1-17. Love to have him down 4 with 3 minutes to go. Love to have him in the playoffs.
It's cool you would post here and address this.
Notice me Senpai!
I'm curious about a couple of things during your Giants tenure-
- How much did Plaxico shooting himself distract the team/took the air out of them because up to that point, the Giants were the best team in the NFL in 2008 and after that had to sputter to the finish.
- And you mentioned about players messing with substances. There were rumblings that the Giants secondary (in particular) enjoyed weed a little too much. So much so that even O'Hara pretty much called them out about it in the press to act like professionals. Did you see that as well?
lol. shoot...the 2nd one slipped past the birth control too ;)
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cool to see you post here
Shoot. Flippin Eli.
I think he is at times brilliant.
then at times he is one of the worst in the league.
I just spent a whole text thread among some former BYU players arguing Eli is more clutch than all the other Qs in the league.
He also sucks more when it doesn't matter. So I don't know...Eli is sporadic.
Hate to have him week 1-17. Love to have him down 4 with 3 minutes to go. Love to have him in the playoffs.
In your opinon... Is Eli in the HOF if he retired today? What about 5 years with similar performance but no more rings.
Bryan you're too good for this place, run away.
I agree. Bryan, this place is full of assholes, who will talk shit about you one minute then act like you're their best friend when you appear like star struck bitches. You're too patient and generous in spending time engaging many of these bozos.
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Have you popped your cherry??
lol. shoot...the 2nd one slipped past the birth control too ;)
Congrats man! Beautiful family!
I'll readily grant that as a man that played in the NFL his football knowledge is superior and dwarfs anyone on BBI. Don't expect a warm welcome from me if you come to BBI with a target on TC. You're barking up the wrong tree.
I'll readily grant that as a man that played in the NFL his football knowledge is superior and dwarfs anyone on BBI. Don't expect a warm welcome from me if you come to BBI with a target on TC. You're barking up the wrong tree.
You're pathetic. You acted like a fool on the other thread, calling people "the dumbest mother fuckers alive" for believing it was Kehl. Now it proven you were in fact the dumb one and you're going to call out BBI for interacting with a former Giant.
Like I said. Grow up.
Oh and you look noting like Hank Baskett.
Kehl vs. Torrag
I believe I wrote in a camp report that this new linebacker (might have been your rookie season) was one of the most fan-friendly guys who spent as much time or more than others signing after practice for fans and especially for kids.
Great having you aboard. Looking forward to candid insights.
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lol. shoot...the 2nd one slipped past the birth control too ;)
Great family photo Mr. Kehl. Well done. You should be proud.
(Just kidding man, thanks for joining the BBI insanity train!)
So it begs the question why should anything you have to say be taken seriously on the subject of Tom and his ability to interact with players? If you had performed better maybe it would have been reflected in your relationship with him. But you didn't so perhaps the reason your personal experience with the coach suffered. His realtionships with the over 100 players that earned Superbowl Championship rings on his watch appears to be on solid ground.
Lets see. 2008...as a rookie...I was 2nd on the team in production % at 31%. Only Tuck was higher than me at 34%.
I got benched halfway through the season. Didn't play again until week 17 vs Vikings...we had clinched, and played subs the 2nd half.
In only the 2nd half - I had 9 tackles, 2 tfls, and 1 sack.
We had a bye, then played Philly in the Divisional round...I watched from the sideline as Westbrook torched our slow LBs on the field.
So, they signed Boley in the offseason (he was less physical than me). I was relegated to spec teams.
2009 I led NY in special teams tackles.
2010 they cut me after week 1 vs Car...I had 4 spec teams tackles in the game, but I was beat for a blocked punt by Greg flipping Hardy.
So. How did I play as a Giant?
[url]http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008122807/2008/REG17/giants@vikings#tab=analyze&analyze=boxscore[/url]
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Lol. Thanks man. I love all of you. Some of you I would love to demonstrate personally to whether or not I'm a "soft linebacker", but...they will never find out ;)
Kehl vs. Torrag
Hahaha
This is a great question.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703453804575479752667612216 - ( New Window )
You clearly have unresolved issues with how your coach valued your contributions on and off the field. Or you wouldn't be posting about it on a fan message board. You might want to ask youself why that is.
Thanks Bryan for all your input/opinions etc..whether agree or not, it's good to have you post.
You clearly have unresolved issues with how your coach valued your contributions on and off the field. Or you wouldn't be posting about it on a fan message board. You might want to ask youself why that is.
You come off as a dick, man. Jesus. You are talking to a real person.
What a great story. Congratulations for having such a special family, Bryan.
If anything, he's extremely overrated and his attempt at trying to distance himself from RG III from something he as the HC was almost totally responsible for by indirectly knocking RG III with his statement that Kirk Cousins is capable of winning a SB, which on its face is beyond absurd..
You praise Kyle and the work he's doing in Atlanta as if Atlanta wasn't putting up impressive offensive numbers (with Ryan, White, Jones, Gonzales et al through the years) before he arrived. Offense has not been a problem since Ryan became the franchise, Defense has been..
Regardless, welcome aboard
Sacrifice for the good of the team and buy into it.
Its Sad that you didn't understand it.
When Coughlin came in he was touted as the task-master, and as you've already discussed, it was that way and maybe in some ways, over the top. I know he adopted the good-will outings and leadership council connections so maybe he relaxed some.
But then I watch a game like Sunday night's at Philly and I wonder ... Has the game passed him by? Would a guy like Mike Tomlin be desirable now? Or is it a player thing - like Damontre Moore being out of his mind at times with apparently no sign of maturing?
Do you have general thoughts about that? As far as where the team is, regarding discipline and how it relates directly to the guy at the helm.
I always thought that he was productive enough when he got on the field. He was at least as productive as Reggie Torbor, Danny Clark, Carlos Emmons, and the cast of about 100 linebackers that seems to be constantly evolving yearly.
Do I think TC is a tough guy to work for? Yeah probably. For some reason, he and Kehl didn't seem to get along. It does seem like sour grapes that TC gets criticized and called overrated after Kehl's career is over. But, the gap between the 53rd guy on the roster and the perennial pro bowler probably isn't that great from a talent perspective. So I can see how it might come down to personality conflict from time to time, and so I gotta ask:
When you weren't being played, did you ever go in to see either Spags or TC and be like, "Listen, I'm producing on the field, why aren't I being played?" If so, what was their reaction?
How concerned are/were players about concussions, head trauma, CTE etc?
As someone else asked earlier, how do you feel about Spags as a coordinator?
Hope you are doing well and thank you for taking the time to interact with the fans.
I always said to anybody who was listening -
BKEHL ... is NO TROLL : ) ... lol
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Why get bent out of shape over this?
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Shut the fuck up you groveling fool. Please like me? Seriously?
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I mostly defended you. Please like me!
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Why get bent out of shape over this?
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Shut the fuck up you groveling fool. Please like me? Seriously?
haha
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Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Shut the fuck up you groveling fool. Please like me? Seriously?
Get over yourself
He knows the difference between a football player and these "stare in the gym mirror, medium shirt wearing, synthetic muscle building, should have been WWE wrastlers."
A Linebacker that would rather go around someone.....
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Why get bent out of shape over this?
Mike in Long Beach : 10/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
A handful of players over the years have agreed that relating to the players was Coughlin's biggest (and perhaps only) shortcoming as a coach. Coughlin himself even acknowledged it and reinvented himself in the summer of 07.
There's 50+ players and a practice squad on every NFL roster, not to mention coaches, trainers, assistants. The list goes on and on. Styles aren't always going to mesh. This to me doesn't come off like sour grapes. He just doesn't like this aspect of Coughlin's coaching style. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut, but really, who cares that he didn't? He only brought up the one thing that has been brought up about Coughlin numerous times.
The only thing I take issue with is the use of the word "overrated." Coughlin's track record of success is on par with the perceptions he has, IMO. Definitely a dumb word to use there, but he said a lot of things in that statement. I'm not going to characterize the entire sentiment because on one foolish word.
Shut the fuck up you groveling fool. Please like me? Seriously?
It was a joke, stupid.
so what did cunningham do to banks just wondering?
Anyway, it is pretty cool indeed to get a player's perspective. Looking forward to see if BK answers the questions about the 2008 craziness and what it is about Spas that caused friction between them.
He knows the difference between a football player and these "stare in the gym mirror, medium shirt wearing, synthetic muscle building, should have been WWE wrastlers."
A Linebacker that would rather go around someone.....
Sucking TC off on here isn't actually sucking him off for real. You can take it out of your mouth now (in an internet sense, of course)
Kthx
and thinking about it i was a hot head in response to you interview, thanks for chiming in, it's cool.
Mr. Kehl, you have more teeth than Ditka and hopefully won't incessantly pass gas. Cris Carter needs you by his side!
I'm not orally gratifying TC.
I'm simply imagining a round table of football coaching greats discussing Bryan Kehl.
And I posted what I believe would be the gist of that short conversation.
Now its certainly arguable whether TC has a seat at that table or not....but hes certainly at that party.
And Bryan is only here because of his comments about TC. So Bryan, congrats on your time in the NFL. Its a great accomplishment that no one can ever diminish.
But your view of TC as overrated, is horseshit.
And I obviously offended quite a few of the medium shirts here at BBI.....did you have your muscle milk and flex in the mirror today fellas?
Standup move BK, glad you joined BBI. Hope we can get some great incite from you as the season goes along.
I too, am a believer in "who is the common denominator"
But it really was just 2 teams - NY and STL.
My complaints are about Spagz and Coughlin. Not the other coaches I played for.
Thank you for the reply BK, valid point and my apologies on thinking 3 teams.
Last I checked, I thanked him for posting here and didn't insult him. That would be you, you. Keep coming with the insults for everybody. Digging your hole deeper and deeper.
Thanks Bryan for all your input/opinions etc..whether agree or not, it's good to have you post.
Absolutely and he seems to have enough facts to prove his point.
Standup move BK, glad you joined BBI. Hope we can get some great incite from you as the season goes along.
LOL. That thread certainly was a hoot, wasn't it?
Yeah you really got me on a typo while I'm using an iPad..Lol, you continue to prove what an idiot you are. How did that foot taste when you realized the was the real deal?
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BKehl a troll and not the real guy?
Standup move BK, glad you joined BBI. Hope we can get some great incite from you as the season goes along.
LOL. That thread certainly was a hoot, wasn't it?
What's even funnier is watching to Torrag's feeble attempt at trying to save face..Ha
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BKehl a troll and not the real guy?
Standup move BK, glad you joined BBI. Hope we can get some great incite from you as the season goes along.
LOL. That thread certainly was a hoot, wasn't it?
What's even funnier is watching to Torrag's feeble attempt at trying to save face..Ha
And then taking something someone just said to him and saying it back. Haha.
And oh my god I was wrong about a guy anonymously posting on a fan message board. How ever will I live that one down???????
I wonder how many people would respond now ... as they responded then. I would like to at least think that folks wouldn't talk to a player's face (out of common courtesy) when a player is actually posting?
Time for an appearance Damontre .... lol
LOL...just kidding, man...thanks for posting. I had big hopes for you when we drafted you. Do you think you can get Brandon Jacobs on here?
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Im curious to know your thoughts on the Giants S & C program and how you feel it plays into injuries on the field? Thanks.
And oh my god I was wrong about a guy anonymously posting on a fan message board. How ever will I live that one down???????
Well obviously you have never used an IPad w/ auto correct before but hey you hang on to that ok big guy if that is all you got.
You really would have done better to just come on here and admit that you're a dickstain who made an ass of himself on the first thread. But you can't do that because you lack the nads to man-up about it. It's really not surprising given your track record on here. This is why you get so much abuse all the time, you continuously act like a petulant child. Is that "incitefull"enough for you?
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BKehl a troll and not the real guy?
Standup move BK, glad you joined BBI. Hope we can get some great incite from you as the season goes along.
LOL. That thread certainly was a hoot, wasn't it?
What's even funnier is watching to Torrag's feeble attempt at trying to save face..Ha
And then taking something someone just said to him and saying it back. Haha.
It's all he has to hang onto. He was such an idiot on the other thread about this that he has to seize on anything at this point..lol, it's hilarious to watch
Thanks for coming on here to answer questions and comment.
That said, I agree with you about Kiwi. I have always felt the Giants messed with his career by making him an LB and constantly switching him around. He was supposed to be a DE period.
One last thing about TC. Do you ever feel like he was showing you tough love because he saw more potential in you? Maybe he wanted you to be "meaner" or more physical and thought that by constantly being up your ass he might bring this out of you on the field? Just curious to hear what you think.
Anyway, thanks for all your thoughts. You seem like a great guy. Beautiful family. Be well.
Hmmmm, Maybe ... Torrag the real troll ... AAAAHHHAAAA!
(J/K) ... ; )
Should've never drafted that soft....loser in the 1st place.
Dave in Hoboken : 10/11/2015 2:48 pm : link
Awful pick. Just another awful LB under this regime.
Please, please, please continue answering the legit questions. I know that it takes a lot of time on your part. Maybe Eric or someone could co-ordinate with on some questions and your answers so that we can get mo' info outta you and your time is not impinged on too much.
Two comments from me:
1) Beautiful family!
2) I wish that I could live inside of that body of yours for an hour. I am old, disabled and hurt a ton. It would be nice to experience what it would be like to be a NY Giant linebacker.
Was it just a schematic issue or was it personal?
What gidiefor said. Whether we agree with you 100% or not doesn't change that it's awesome you popped up here on BBI.
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some of the dipshits who wouldn't have the balls to say what they're saying now if they were face to face with him.
Should've never drafted that soft....loser in the 1st place.
Dave in Hoboken : 10/11/2015 2:48 pm : link
Awful pick. Just another awful LB under this regime.
Haha...awesome.
Also, Spags brought so many guys from NY I figured Kehl was one of his guys. Interesting that it was the opposite.
I'm not biting on any of the other guys shenanigans - but I have a real question for you (it might've been asked, but I'm not rifling through 4 pages of back and forth here!): Was the team really "flattened" by Plax's incident in 08' - or did you guys just lose the momentum after the bye going into the Divisional round against Philly?
As a fan, I put 93' and 08' right there as years we SHOULD'VE WON, with 93' being a lot more heartbraking and that team just simply running out of gas. I'd love to read your response on this!
Was it just a schematic issue or was it personal?
The reports out St. Louis painted a pretty terrible picture of him. Sounded like he was pretty universally hated by players.
Torrag : 10/12/2015 3:57 pm : link
If you think this is him you're a fucking moron.
Torrag : 10/12/2015 4:08 pm : link
you just became the posterboy for the BBI Mouthbreathers Association. Kudos.
Torrag : 10/13/2015 12:18 am : link
Many of you wish he were the real deal so you can delude yourself into believing you've had a 'peak behind the curtain'. Nothing has been posted that couldn't be sourced by an unemployed basement dweller with broadband and an afternoon to kill. Can't figure out the coding to post pics then email them to Eric to verify. Don't hold your breath though it ain't happening.
Torrag : 10/13/2015 12:31 am : link
..and many other useless shitheads is who.
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Would still love to know how you qualify that you weren't a 'Spags guy'. We've all heard about what a PITA Coughlin could be to work for, but everything you read about Spags makes him sound like the consummate player's coach.
Was it just a schematic issue or was it personal?
The reports out St. Louis painted a pretty terrible picture of him. Sounded like he was pretty universally hated by players.
St. Louis or NO? I don't recall anything like that in STL, and some searches seem to indicate that he was actually liked by the players there. See the link below.
The same didn't apply in that one disastrous year he spent in NO, but that situation seemed like a no-win from the jump given Bountygate.
Aside from the highly publicized incident with the equipment manager that was let go, I don't recall anything in STL that would make him seem hated by his players. Doesn't mean he wasn't, or that some of them didn't dislike him and just keep it quiet.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/burwell-be-smart-keep-spagnuolo/article_914bbdf8-17c7-5f78-9866-f5e39a987e87.html - ( New Window )
Hope to see you stick around BBI, Mr Kehl!
This stuff about, "only the guy himself could know so much about what goes on" is nuts..You can't walk out of your house without winding up on youtube or twitter..
So torrag got it wrong, BFD..Kettle/pot here..The same people who accuse him of digging in are the same people who have been proven to be immovable on certain subjects here as well..
There are so many trolls on here who contribute nothing and do nothing but stir the pot. Makes this site torture at times...
I was on the fence with whether or not BK was the real deal..My first instinct was Troll, but a fantastic one..Besides, he's the first person ever to spell Spags as Spagz, so that to me was a no-no..:)..He's proven to be the real deal and his perspective is always welcome..
Finally, I've seen a bunch of you fight to the end when people are coming at you from all angles. Most of us do it, even when we're proven wrong because no one enjoys being personally attacked. Some can walk away from that. Others can't..Perhaps most can't..
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Torrag : 10/12/2015 3:57 pm : link
If you think this is him you're a fucking moron.
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you just became the posterboy for the BBI Mouthbreathers Association. Kudos.
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This is a fraud
Torrag : 10/13/2015 12:18 am : link
Many of you wish he were the real deal so you can delude yourself into believing you've had a 'peak behind the curtain'. Nothing has been posted that couldn't be sourced by an unemployed basement dweller with broadband and an afternoon to kill. Can't figure out the coding to post pics then email them to Eric to verify. Don't hold your breath though it ain't happening.
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Losers living in their Mom's house...
Torrag : 10/13/2015 12:31 am : link
..and many other useless shitheads is who.
Hi Torrag!
The only ones we should heap scorn upon are the ones with a natural ability, but who don't work at it to take the most advantage of the ability.
NFL spots are a premier position, limited in number, and in the public spotlight. Not too many of us can say we've made it to such a rare level in our careers. You don't have to suck his dick, but show at least show a little bit of class.
that said, did anyone else find it kind of humorous that he said he couldn't master birth control any better than he did defense?
Thanks Bryan for all your input/opinions etc..whether agree or not, it's good to have you post.
What's ironic is that as soon as he was through posting for the day the thread morphed into an internecine pissing contest.
Hope he comes back.
I see what you did there.
Guys like that may not be the top 1% of their profession, but they ARE in the top 5% of everyone who ever tried to play the game. Markus Kuhn is better than any football player I ever played with or against (except for that cheating bastard Eddie George who wasn't even supposed to be on FUMA's high school team, but I digress). Brendan Ryan is a better baseball player than anyone I ever played with or against. There was a kid who completely dominated my Little League. Big star pitcher in high school, big star in college, was drafted by the Cubs. He never made it out of AA - and he was pretty terrible at that level too. I sometimes try to remember that to give me perspective.
But might be the best post on this thread..:)
The only ones we should heap scorn upon are the ones with a natural ability, but who don't work at it to take the most advantage of the ability.
NFL spots are a premier position, limited in number, and in the public spotlight. Not too many of us can say we've made it to such a rare level in our careers. You don't have to suck his dick, but show at least show a little bit of class.
that said, did anyone else find it kind of humorous that he said he couldn't master birth control any better than he did defense?
Back in the late 70's, after college, I played USCLA club lacrosse and ran on the same midfield line with a guy who had played a year with the Falcons at TE and then played a few years with the Montreal Alouettes in the CFL. All I can say is that to call anyone who played in the NFL (outside of Deion Sanders) soft is absurd. If all these internet tough guys met any of these players on the field they'd be crying for Mama in short order. I also think that we are just beginning to realize the physical toll playing the game at that level takes on these players.
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And what BBI should take notice. Bryan has been attacked, ridiculed, etc etc here right or wrong. But what he's done is he listens to response and doesn't respond with back atchya personal insults.Instead, He tries and certainly does back up his stance with facts and etc . Takes criticism and moves on.
Thanks Bryan for all your input/opinions etc..whether agree or not, it's good to have you post.
What's ironic is that as soon as he was through posting for the day the thread morphed into an internecine pissing contest.
Hope he comes back.
Ha..true. a shame. Through the muddled garbage..there were/are some good questions by some to him. Good to get some insight from him whether one agrees or not with him.
I just don't get the incessant whining about a player "sucking" or impressions that players don't give effort based on results.
It is funny, because if Kuhn had the same traits he does now as a hard worker and a guy who gives maximum effort, if he was a FB, BBI would love him - because evaluation of FB's is pretty poor around here.
Even when our guys don't perform to what we think they should, the outright vitriol throw their way is an embarrassment at times.
I just don't get the incessant whining about a player "sucking" or impressions that players don't give effort based on results.
It is funny, because if Kuhn had the same traits he does now as a hard worker and a guy who gives maximum effort, if he was a FB, BBI would love him - because evaluation of FB's is pretty poor around here.
Even when our guys don't perform to what we think they should, the outright vitriol throw their way is an embarrassment at times.
But at least they know the difference between a trainer and a doctor
That's not to defend some of the ridiculous reactions seen on the forum. To Greg's point, I've played pickup hockey with guys who got cut from junior teams and they were unbelievable - definitely gave me a better appreciation of how elite even the bad players in the professional leagues are.
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Would still love to know how you qualify that you weren't a 'Spags guy'. We've all heard about what a PITA Coughlin could be to work for, but everything you read about Spags makes him sound like the consummate player's coach.
Was it just a schematic issue or was it personal?
The reports out St. Louis painted a pretty terrible picture of him. Sounded like he was pretty universally hated by players.
St. Louis or NO? I don't recall anything like that in STL, and some searches seem to indicate that he was actually liked by the players there. See the link below.
The same didn't apply in that one disastrous year he spent in NO, but that situation seemed like a no-win from the jump given Bountygate.
Aside from the highly publicized incident with the equipment manager that was let go, I don't recall anything in STL that would make him seem hated by his players. Doesn't mean he wasn't, or that some of them didn't dislike him and just keep it quiet. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/burwell-be-smart-keep-spagnuolo/article_914bbdf8-17c7-5f78-9866-f5e39a987e87.html - ( New Window )
Maybe I am thinking of the NO headlines
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Even Dan Girardi is pretty fucking awesome if you think about it :)
Even Dan Girardi is pretty fucking awesome if you think about it :)
I thought we were friends, Greg. :(
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some of the dipshits who wouldn't have the balls to say what they're saying now if they were face to face with him.
Should've never drafted that soft....loser in the 1st place.
Dave in Hoboken : 10/11/2015 2:48 pm
Awful pick. Just another awful LB under this regime.
I've taken some shots on this thread and I've dealt a few but this guy is a piece of work.^^^^
I wonder how many BBIers prior to BK's unveiling here as a master of BBCode thought he was a failure as a draft pick and a Giant and sounded off on his career in uncomplimentary terms. My memory seems to indicate it was most of BBI. I get it. You like having an ex Giant posting here. An ex NFLer has a lot to offer with his insights into the game. You don't want him driven away.
Bryan I hope you post on BBI in the future just watch what you say about TC. Respect for ones elders shows character...Winston Wolf.
And yes, I have no doubt that if I played against Girardi, Tanner Glass, and John Scott I'd probably never have the puck for more than a couple seconds before getting demolished. These athletes are really impressive.
You do realize that Brett does think that VT is a good school and Hosely has improved to be an ok CB, right?
And yes, I have no doubt that if I played against Girardi, Tanner Glass, and John Scott I'd probably never have the puck for more than a couple seconds before getting demolished. These athletes are really impressive.
Bears love you too, cubby.
Was he great? No, not by a longshot. He's produced some stats that point to him being better than a lot of us (myself included) thought he was. But nobody was confusing him with Lawrence Taylor.
Then again, with a mid-round selection, that's about the best you can hope for. He exceeded expectations, IMO.
As for the Torrags and other posters who get on the guy for not being LT or loving Coughlin, grow up. Coughlin has been an excellent coach, but to think he is infallible or beyond reproach is just silly. We admire the guy because we love the way he carries himself in public and results he generates on the field. That is a much different perspective than someone that plays for him. I'm glad to hear that perspective.
Bryan could have come on here and said "The Giants are the best organization in the world and Tom Coughlin and Steve Spagnuolo are the most inspiring coaches and men I have ever known" and everyone would have called him an all time great Giant and lobbied to put him in the Ring of Honor. Instead he came on here and gave us his honest perspective, and we were treated to a great thread.
If you want to hear how great the Giants and all their coaches are, you can go to Giants.com and get all the fluff you can stomach. This was great stuff fans rarely to get to hear, and I think most of us appreciate that.
I was actually wondering in general how BYU athletes fared in the NFL and other sports. They are generally older when they are rookies and their previous peer/locker room cultures were likely much different (I would imagine). Would it be uncommon to have a socialization issue and does that effect their individual or group play? Do they have a harder time relating to their teammates or do their teammates and coaches have a harder time relating to them. If the team all of the sudden breaks out a rendition of "Hasa Diga Eebowai", do the BYU players join in?
Not just BYU players, but there are likely other examples as well. WHat if you graduated from a place like Liberty University, for example, would you also have adaption issues? In baseball they talk a lot about wrt Latin or Japanese players, but there can be other types of cultural issues as well.
As for the Torrags and other posters who get on the guy for not being LT or loving Coughlin, grow up. Coughlin has been an excellent coach, but to think he is infallible or beyond reproach is just silly. We admire the guy because we love the way he carries himself in public and results he generates on the field. That is a much different perspective than someone that plays for him. I'm glad to hear that perspective.
Bryan could have come on here and said "The Giants are the best organization in the world and Tom Coughlin and Steve Spagnuolo are the most inspiring coaches and men I have ever known" and everyone would have called him an all time great Giant and lobbied to put him in the Ring of Honor. Instead he came on here and gave us his honest perspective, and we were treated to a great thread.
If you want to hear how great the Giants and all their coaches are, you can go to Giants.com and get all the fluff you can stomach. This was great stuff fans rarely to get to hear, and I think most of us appreciate that.
But "Spagz" is unacceptable..:)
Hey man, thanks for posting! Stick around, your insight is greatly appreciated, and please don't take any of the comments about your play or time at NYG to heart or personally - this is a fanbase that turned on one of their 2 or 3 best offensive players ever after he said something mean about Coughlin and Eli (Tiki), so I'm not surprised there was some vitriol after that interview, but your honest insight was definitely appreciated by most!
Also, when you're browsing the forum, you can sort the threads by "last post" by clicking the "last post" column header. Makes it easier to browse and is the way most of us peruse the forum.
Now if you said I could be nicer or politer about it well you may have a point.
I'll readily grant that as a man that played in the NFL his football knowledge is superior and dwarfs anyone on BBI. Don't expect a warm welcome from me if you come to BBI with a target on TC. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Holy shit, shut the fuck up.
I guarantee everyone here would rather have Kehl on the board than you. At least he provides insight, Xs and Os takeaways, a first hand look at the NFL, and most importantly, isn't a dick like you're being.
Now if you said I could be nicer or politer about it well you may have a point.
He wasn't a great player. That has nothing to do with treating the guy with respect. He was a good enough player to get drafted into the NFL, and play for 6 years. That's pretty impressive. As far as I know, in his time with the Giants he represented the franchise well.
If you think guys that don't become stars for your team "suck" or aren't worthy of being treated with common respect, then you absolutely need to grow up.
Now if you said I could be nicer or politer about it well you may have a point.
I just don't get what you have to gain by trashing a guy when he's showing up and adding value to the board.
What's the point? Why?
Is it really sacrilegious to say anything negative about Coughlin, Eli, or any other Giants players held in high regard?
There's absolutely no need for scorn or being an asshole.
Would it be cooler if Dave Meggett posts on BBI from his jail cell?
Jesus Christ, this place takes more of a break from reality every day.
Haha what? I'm the one acting like a 10 year old?
You came into this thread and got called out for essentially telling everyone else they're an idiot if they thought it was Kehl in the other thread.
And then you respond with Well, I was wrong, but hey, Kehl, guess what, you suck, and who are you to question Coughlin?.
Give me a break dude.
*your
When has ron Mexico been a dick, let alone a useless poster?
Kudos. Even if it is the definition of an arbitrary comment.
Sort of ironic. Actually this whole thread is.
We all cheer for the laundry, but sometimes you need to have some perspective that the laundry is being worn by real people who play this game for a living.
Alas! I want to thank you, honorable gentleman, for elucidating on the errors of my ways; for if only I had structured my post in a less colloquial fashion, only then would I have the honor of conveying my message in an fashion acceptable to the great Torrag's ear. O! What an egregious mistake I have made! After all, this is no place for the casual banter that the bourgeois and plebeians sully the streets with! For this is BIG BLUE INTERACTIVE, the bastion of formality!
Get the fuck outta here with that shit. I think I got the essence of your message down pretty much pat DUDE, considering every single other poster is calling you out for being a mega-douchebag.
So maybe you should take a look at your posts and try to see how they came off as utterly dickish instead of trying to triple-down and making yourself look like an even bigger dickhead.
I have a lasting image stuck in my head of westbrook torching antonio pierce on what ended up being like a 65 yard TD catch and run. If i remember correctly, there was an image of it on the front page of the NYDN i think.
I don't know what kind of reaction you expected.
The answer is obvious - maybe he should be taken seriously because he played for him for a couple years? Trying to contend that his experiences are irrelevant and useless because of his performance on the field is asinine.
He's speaking from his own personal experiences, and if you want to add in the conjecture that you don't want to take it seriously because you believe it was a product of his on field performance, that's your perogative.
But he doesn't need to prove anything to you. Kehl is speaking about his experiences, and you can draw whatever conclusions from it you want.
Coughlin has been known as a hardass throughout his career, granted moreso at some points during his career than others, but you don't need to shit on a player who's doing a cool thing by coming to the board by telling him "well you sucked, and maybe that's why Coughlin didn't like you, so why do your experiences even matter?"
It's such an over the top reflexive defensive mechanism for a man you've never met.
And it's pretty obvious that there were other plays who didn't always like Coughlin, including those on the Superbowl teams (Strahan...).
So instead of just calling you names and being an asshole back, I wanted to at least point out where I was coming from with my characterization of your tone/comments.
I'm glad that today he realizes just what level pro athletes are at, and that none of them simply "suck."
That's not to defend some of the ridiculous reactions seen on the forum. To Greg's point, I've played pickup hockey with guys who got cut from junior teams and they were unbelievable - definitely gave me a better appreciation of how elite even the bad players in the professional leagues are.
Like Tanner Glass?
And yes, I have no doubt that if I played against Girardi, Tanner Glass, and John Scott I'd probably never have the puck for more than a couple seconds before getting demolished. These athletes are really impressive.
Fuck bears. Lazy fucks.
Oh, you must be talking about this play? LOL. LOL If getting stiff armed by Vick was the worst part of my time in the NFL...I'll join a long list of capable men...and smile big at the end of the day ;)
I like Kehl's spunk! And wow, that might be taken a really wrong way....
It's cool you would post here and address this.
I have NO IDEA what he is like nowadays...all I can speak for is 2008, 2010-11. (His results in '12 in NO speak for themselves)
But in STL he just lost the locker room. Absolutely a great Defensive mind. No doubt about it. He just has Napoleon complex to the Max!! Almost a bit resentful of guys in NFL...as if he was mad they made it, and he didn't. Some of the things he said to people - I mean I've seen him cuss out players as if they were a dog. I'm serious. Most NFL coaches will cuss you out. But Spagz was in a league of his own.
Because of that, and poor personnel decisions, STL was a total disaster.
I'm curious about a couple of things during your Giants tenure-
- How much did Plaxico shooting himself distract the team/took the air out of them because up to that point, the Giants were the best team in the NFL in 2008 and after that had to sputter to the finish.
- And you mentioned about players messing with substances. There were rumblings that the Giants secondary (in particular) enjoyed weed a little too much. So much so that even O'Hara pretty much called them out about it in the press to act like professionals. Did you see that as well?
That Plaxico thing totally derailed our season. I mean - 11-1 before he gets arrested....go 1-4 after.
I don't know how much was mental, or just messed with the rhythm of our team. On O - they just started stacking the box, and shut down our run game. On D - we were banged up already, and matched up poorly against Philly who beat us 2 out of 3 that year. So it was many things - but I think we might have made a run if Plax never did that.
Lots of Coaches are dicks, and many players you don't want to spend 5 minutes with. But there are also studs mixed in too.
NY - my fav coach was either Pope or Waffle. Fav teammates: T2, Sintim, Deossie, Chase, Feagles, Tynes, RW, Sam Madison, O Hara, Toomer, Boss.
STL - Lopez and Curtis fav coaches. Players: Laurinaitis, Long, OJ, Dahl, Chamberlain were all studs.
WAS - I really liked Shanahan and Haslett. London Fletcher is head and shoulders above any teammate...and its not even close. Probably the best pro I was ever around. Alexander, Doughty are both close behind.
Not sure how it is now, but when I was there it was surprisingly old school. I think that probably contributes a tad to the soft tissue injuries. Could have used more new school methods. I love Jerry P though - one of the best guys I was ever around in the league.
Welcome and
natefit : 10/22/2015 8:05 pm : link : reply
Im curious to know your thoughts on the Giants S & C program and how you feel it plays into injuries on the field? Thanks.
Darrell Green and Roger Staubach are right up there.
I always thought that he was productive enough when he got on the field. He was at least as productive as Reggie Torbor, Danny Clark, Carlos Emmons, and the cast of about 100 linebackers that seems to be constantly evolving yearly.
Do I think TC is a tough guy to work for? Yeah probably. For some reason, he and Kehl didn't seem to get along. It does seem like sour grapes that TC gets criticized and called overrated after Kehl's career is over. But, the gap between the 53rd guy on the roster and the perennial pro bowler probably isn't that great from a talent perspective. So I can see how it might come down to personality conflict from time to time, and so I gotta ask:
When you weren't being played, did you ever go in to see either Spags or TC and be like, "Listen, I'm producing on the field, why aren't I being played?" If so, what was their reaction?
As a rookie, I was too scared to do anything like that. 2nd year - I was stuck behind Boley. They paid him, and he was good at making plays here and there, so I knew there wasn't much I could do. Then they cut me year 3.
As someone else asked earlier, how do you feel about Spags as a coordinator?
Hope you are doing well and thank you for taking the time to interact with the fans.
They never said a word - they just benched me. I started vs SF and Pitt...that pic someone posted of the INT, the guy rolled me up and tore a ligament in my foot, but I played the rest of the game. After the MRI, they didn't think I would be able to play the next week. So they put Chase in for me at Will in practice. I ended up dressing and playing Spec teams...but no D. And then they just left it like that for the rest of the year. Never even said a word to me about it.
LOL...just kidding, man...thanks for posting. I had big hopes for you when we drafted you. Do you think you can get Brandon Jacobs on here?
LOL. Hey, you guys got us when you had Faulk though.
Guys asked for different things all the time. TC is hard to move. I think they got torched by Dallas in those red unis in 07...so TC put a ban on them or something. lol.
Yeah, Skiba is the best. That guy cares more about his role than most players on the team!! lol
Also, just wanted to commend you for keeping your cool and keeping a good spirit about you Bryan, despite a lot of the stuff said about and to you during your visit here. Very big of you.
aaaand, have often laughed when the BBI know-it alls attempt to slap down some new poster, wondering "what if that new guys is a current or former player?" hahahaha.
As for me, I truly don't know crap about football, never played, but just for shits and kicks, over ten years later (freebluelove, alligatorpie) have had a very good record of figuring out something that I really have no way of really understanding.
Was it just a schematic issue or was it personal?
It just depends on who the player was. Example - he loves Craig Dahl. Has taken him everywhere. Dahl loves Spagz. Now, go find James Butler and ask him about Spagz and you will get a MUCH different answer.
I'll echo the sentiments of many BBIers.
Big Blue '56 : 10/22/2015 8:24 pm : link : reply
You say Coughlin is an excellent coach and overrated. It's your opinion of course, but let me draw a parallel here. You laud Mike Shanahan as a brilliant Offensive mind and an excellent HC. Yet, after Elway and Davis left the Broncos I believe he won 1, perhaps 2 playoff games in roughly 15 other seasons. I believe he's living off the reputation that Elway and Davis helped him create and did very little subsequent to their departures.
If anything, he's extremely overrated and his attempt at trying to distance himself from RG III from something he as the HC was almost totally responsible for by indirectly knocking RG III with his statement that Kirk Cousins is capable of winning a SB, which on its face is beyond absurd..
You praise Kyle and the work he's doing in Atlanta as if Atlanta wasn't putting up impressive offensive numbers (with Ryan, White, Jones, Gonzales et al through the years) before he arrived. Offense has not been a problem since Ryan became the franchise, Defense has been..
Regardless, welcome aboard
Also, how hard was it coming onto a team that just won a Super Bowl and traded up to draft you?
Best of luck going forward!
It may not have ended the way you want it but you went farther than most. Always be proud of that.
quick question, were you married when you played and if so, were there any sports groupies?
Question - What was it like going to school and being an athlete at BYU, where the reputation is that people don't have as much.....fun, as at other schools?
1. Do other players read the forum during the season for shits and giggles?
2. Did you and other players read the game threads and make the game adjustments that the BBI braintrust would lead you to believe that's what is holding us back from being a dynasty?
Curious that you didn't mention him as a comparison to you. Nor did you mention being friends with him even though you were part of the same draft class, played similar positions, and were even successive draft selections by Reese and co. Was there stiff competition between you two? Enmity perhaps?
SCOUTING REPORT: Two-year starter. Finished the 2007 season with 91 tackles, 11.5 tackles for a loss, 4 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovery, and 3 interceptions. Kehl combines good size and athleticism. He is a three-down linebacker with good speed and agility. Changes direction well. Strong. He is not the most aggressive linebacker out there and sometimes struggles to shed. He has very good intangibles – smart, instinctive, intense, and hard working. “Wow, he is really something when you talk to him,” one scout said. “He might have been the best interview at the entire Combine. He’s the kind of person you want on your team.” Scored a 29 on the Wonderlic. “Kehl is just a flat-out player,” said Kehl’s college coach. “He is one of those guys who is always around the football and is a ball hog and makes a lot of plays. I have talked to some people out there and they tell me one thing about this guy, he is not only an athlete but he has got a mind that is absolutely unreal and football is important to him.”
MEDIA Q&A WITH GENERAL MANAGER JERRY REESE:
Reese: Bryan Kehl is a linebacker from BYU. We liked him. He is a big athlete, can run, very, very smart, good in coverage. He played in a 3-4 defense as an outside backer. So we think he can play SAM or WILL for us. They are kind of interchangeable in our defense, to be honest with you. So those are things we liked about him. We moved up to get him because there were so many positive things about him. We had some extra picks in the sixth round so we moved up a few spots to pick him. But there is a lot of positive stuff about him – a clean guy. We think he will be a good football player for us; play on all of the special teams right away. We like him that way.
5th Round – LB Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt University (6-2, 245lbs, 4.72)
SCOUTING REPORT: Three-year starter. Goff finished the 2007 season with 113 tackles, 6.5 tackles for a loss, 3 sacks, and 2 interceptions. Goff has good size and is well built. There are conflicting reports on his overall athleticism and range. A little on the stiff side and not overly agile. Active and productive. Strong. Goff takes on blocks well and plays strong at the point of attack. He is not strong in man coverage. Excellent intangibles – smart, hardworking, and plays with an attitude. Twice voted team captain. Scored a 29 on the Wonderlic.
MEDIA Q&A WITH GENERAL MANAGER JERRY REESE:
Reese: The next man is Jonathan Goff, linebacker from Vanderbilt. We think he is a middle linebacker; very productive; very smart. He can play on all of the special teams. That is a common theme with us – got to play on all of the special teams; a young kid to bring into the fold, start developing some as a backup middle linebacker. He is smart. All of the things that we like about football players, those last two guys. So that was two good picks for us to give us some depth at linebacker and create some competition at some of those positions as well.
Try psychotropic drugs.
Thanks so much for stopping by. I hope you'll be a regular.
1) When Bill Sheridan took over from Spagnuolo, did the defense change much? The results obviously weren't as good. Do you think the problem in 2009 was more coaching or personnel (including injuries)?
2) Any thoughts on Sheridan's successor as linebackers coach, Jim Herrmann?
3) On a scale of 1 to 10:
a) How cheap was Flozell Adams's trip of Justin Tuck; and
b) How badly did the resulting shoulder injury affect Tuck in 2009 and beyond?
4) When he returned from a torn meniscus in 2009, was Osi Umenyiora freelancing and neglecting his assignments? Or was he just doing what the coaches wanted?
5) How does Tom Quinn compare to the other special teams coaches you worked with?
6) Lastly - on topic that spans the Giants and Rams - you hinted that James Butler is not a fan of Spagnuolo. Unlike you, Butler chose to follow Spagnuolo to St. Louis, and he was there throughout Spagnuolo's tenure (though his playing time diminished). What went wrong?
Bryan, thanks again for participating, and best wishes for your future endeavors. It would be great if more ex-Giants would stop by for these AMA-type exchanges.