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| If you're a Giants fan frustrated by Damontre Moore's boneheaded mistakes -- especially that one in Philadelphia on Monday night when he was penalized for pile-driving quarterback Sam Bradford into the ground -- Carl Banks understands your angst. He feels it, too. The former All-Pro linebacker, who does color commentary on the Giants' radio network, can't understand why a player as talented as Moore continues to make mind-boggling mistakes and preventing himself from becoming the kind of player Banks believes he can be. "I have a personal sense of frustration because of what my expectations are of him," Banks told me on Thursday. "I'm a fan of his talent. He's a high-energy player and he goes a hundred miles an hour, whether it's a mistake or not. And that's probably why he still has a job. He gives you everything he's got." |
Are you really asking that? He's still the best pass rusher on the team.
I think if he plays more, he'll have less pressure to make a big play so that he can play....more.
I think he'll be active. They need all hands on deck, at least this week. Hopefully he got the message last week. Unfortunately Ayers can't do it alone and the Giants know that, based on Spags comments.
I prefer yesteryear's way.
Frank Walker aka the Riverboat Gambler? I loved that guy despite his flag-per-play record.
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in my 35 years of NYG football.
Frank Walker aka the Riverboat Gambler? I loved that guy despite his flag-per-play record.
Could be worse on numbers, although I suspect Moore's got him on 15-yarders!
That said, Banks is a whiner and complainer and has been for years..I can't remember the last positive thing he's said or how often he's been proven correct..Of course you can throw out a thousand things and be right on dome of them. It's call percentages
Great question. Let's make the only player who gets a pass rush inactive. Thankfully your not the coach.
You can't teach what Moore has. But you can teach what he currently lacks.
I enjoy Banks' insights. Guy has a lot of sway and knows his stuff, imo. Not sure how it's perceived as "whining."
Sway! - ( New Window )
Agreed. Somebody mentioned Frank Walker, but I'd put Moore ahead of him. Non stop motor, but insanely bad judgment that apparently can't be corrected. Some personal fouls are close. The player is trying to make a play, but crossed the line while trying to do so. But a lot of Moore's personal fouls are blatantly obvious. I'm surprised he wasn't fined for body slamming Bradford. He also can't play the run, and is frequently out of position. To compensate for all of this, he'd have to be a phenomenal edge rusher, which he isn't. I don't think the Giants will, but I would try and trade him during the draft. If they can't get through to him by now, they never will. In a sense, he's like Will Hill. He's had more than enough chances to correct his behavior.
Interesting, he is an even tempered and very measured analyst. I would have thought few would put him this category.
This says his Wonderlic was 18.
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Moore at one point was considered a top five pick in the draft, but slipped all the way to the third round. Players rise and fall, but that is quite a drop. Did other teams see the problems?
He may be stupid but I don't think it's accurate to say he's super prone to penalties.
But it fits the narrative so go ahead with the accusation anyway.
BOTTOM LINE
There is Mario Williams talent somewhere in this kid, but it will take some time for that talent to reach its full potential. At this writing, most are suggesting that Damontre is a top ten pick in this draft. For me, personally, I think if I was a GM and selected Damontre in the top ten after three years he would still be with the team and I would be fired. Not because Damontre was a bust, just because a top ten pick has to show a quicker return on investment than a top ten pick had to show ten years ago. In spite of the new rookie salary cap, top ten picks are expected to show promise and impact in some capacity almost right away. Those are the facts. Top ten teams can no longer draft developmental players unless it's at the QB position. If Damontre goes through his workouts and shows some unusual speed and workout numbers, he will be selected in the top ten. Unless I was a playoff team who has time to develop Damontre, I could not select him any earlier that the 15 pick in this draft. That's just me and, as I said, I think Damontre has the potential to be an impact player or at least a core player for your defense. That being said, depending on a team's need to get better right away, Damontre has the talent and work ethic to be a really strong DE. However, remember this, Mario Williams was let go in free agency by Houston who drafted him #1 in the 2006 draft. The biggest reason for this was salary and the fact that Mario, with all his talent, still does not know how to attack his opponent or set up his opponent to impact enough for the salary he receives. A lack of football intelligence, instincts and down and distance awareness is what Damontre is lacking and sometimes, that takes longer to learn than techniques. I can see teams from the 15th pick on in the 1st round being very interested in Damontre. Those teams will have the ability to wait and develop Damontre without pressuring him into carrying a defense, which will give him a better chance to become successful. Any teams ahead of that will be expecting too much too fast and I'm not sure Damontre is ready for that type of pressure.
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/archive/2013profiles/Damontre.Moore.htm - ( New Window )
The team has consistently played like crap for the past 3 years - Banks has no choice but to opine on what he's been watching.
If they were cranking out 12-4 seasons and he was complaining, it'd be a different story.
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but that's a big part of his job as an analyst, pointing out mistakes and poor performers.
The team has consistently played like crap for the past 3 years - Banks has no choice but to opine on what he's been watching.
If they were cranking out 12-4 seasons and he was complaining, it'd be a different story.
I was referring to his overall performance as a color analyst, long before the last 3 years..Mostly negative imv..Hey, I'm not stating facts here, just an opinion or perhaps more accurately, my perception..
Both Sinorice Moss and Ramses Barden were equally without football smarts. Not sure they weren't worse.
dumb plays (throwing INTs)
and plays where the player from the other team actually made a great play (TE fumble)
Moores roughing the passer was on a whole other level in terms of out of touch, one of those plays where you really really wonder where the players head was at, I mean, the play was basically over, ball long gone, people standing around hands in pockets, then the whole dump move...
and add in the timing within the game momentum context....all adds up to mind blowing numbness.
And then didn't he do another dance after a second sack which was nullified by a penalty?
Hahahaha, yeah because the week prior Kiwi or another DL got a roughing call that gave the opponent a crucial first down. Kiwi said that was in his mind at the time since he didn't think Young had the ball anymore. As if he couldn't have just bear-hugged the qb and not tackled him ...
So be ready for Moore to do the same thing.
Moore made a lot of boneheaded plays last week but, the talent is there. It would be stupid to give up on him after a little less than two years.
Is he the pass rushing terror you'd expect re: ROI on a 3rd round pick?