Unless Eli has a Darren Sharper/Vikings type day, the only way I see the Cowboys winning is if we fail to stop their running game..Save for last week we've been rather solid against the run (If you're a stats geek, subtract Murray's 20 yard final moments run) and therein lies the key.
Nothing of course is impossible, but the only way a QB like Cassel, who joined the Cowboys 4 weeks ago and hasn't played in a regular season game for 13 months can beat us, is if he has a solid run game he can work off of imo..
Iirc, Spags' Giants have not been prone to losing to back-up QBs as teams under Lewis, Sheridan and Fewell were..Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
That all said, it really comes down to good 'ol football basics, stop the run amd let the QB beat you. This QB, imho, is not good enough at this juncture to carry the Cowboys on their backs..
That's my 2 cents..
I don't care if Derek Carr was back there for the Cowboys, you give ANY qb time to throw, and they will look good....
I think we can cover their WR's, but it's the TE's and RB's that I worry about....the middle of this defense is still a sieve....
so yes, making the Cowboys one dimensional by stopping their running game, and forcing Cassell to throw should be in our favor, but we still have to rattle him...if he is a statute back there, that changes everything...
And if Cassell has a bad game, would not be surprised to see Weeden come into the game, who I think could hurt the Giants....he's a better reliever than a starter, because he has that monkey on his back....
This. If our O-line looks like it did monday night the results will be the same.
With Cassel, for reasons stated in the OP, the tack is different imv..Much different..That's the major thrust of the thread
Of course, but read my 9:39
You see that all the time...:)
IMO, it's on the offense specifically the OL. If the pass rush is as effective as the Eagles was it really doesn't matter what else happens because it's 2013 all over again. My fear is that teams will start finding ways to sit on the short passing game forcing longer developing plays and the OL won't be able to handle it.
I like the Ds chances in this one. I think they'll rebound against the run. And I see casell making mistakes. But if the offense can't capitalize on those mistakes it won't matter.
IMO, it's on the offense specifically the OL. If the pass rush is as effective as the Eagles was it really doesn't matter what else happens because it's 2013 all over again. My fear is that teams will start finding ways to sit on the short passing game forcing longer developing plays and the OL won't be able to handle it.
Absolutely..
I like the Ds chances in this one. I think they'll rebound against the run. And I see casell making mistakes. But if the offense can't capitalize on those mistakes it won't matter.
When the giants have the ball it is all about line play. If the o line comes up super small again like last week, then the Giants have real problems. Besides thr numerous errors, what left such a bad taste last week was the collapse of the o line. We have seen much too much of that the past two years and it is not pretty. Any unit or team can have a bad day l, but if it is a trend then this season will turn ugly again.
Giants have to play desperate too, come out on both sides like caged aninals.
This is the season.
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Mistakes. But last week they forced the Eagles into 4 turnovers and still got whooped.
IMO, it's on the offense specifically the OL. If the pass rush is as effective as the Eagles was it really doesn't matter what else happens because it's 2013 all over again. My fear is that teams will start finding ways to sit on the short passing game forcing longer developing plays and the OL won't be able to handle it.
Absolutely..
I like the Ds chances in this one. I think they'll rebound against the run. And I see casell making mistakes. But if the offense can't capitalize on those mistakes it won't matter.
Absolutely
When the giants have the ball it is all about line play. If the o line comes up super small again like last week, then the Giants have real problems. Besides thr numerous errors, what left such a bad taste last week was the collapse of the o line. We have seen much too much of that the past two years and it is not pretty. Any unit or team can have a bad day l, but if it is a trend then this season will turn ugly again.
Giants have to play desperate too, come out on both sides like caged aninals.
This is the season.
Perhaps we were "fooled" by the general performance of the OL before last week but we probably shouldn't have been..Aside from rookie growing pains by Flowers, the entire OL as presently constructed has never played together. Flowers and Newhouse(for now) are new. Pugh and Richburg are playing different positions and Schwartz effectively missed the entire year in 2014..They really are a work in progress
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have the ball I agree it is about bottling up the run game. Put it in Cassel's lap. Would be even better if the Giants jumped out to a lead to put pressure on them to throw.
When the giants have the ball it is all about line play. If the o line comes up super small again like last week, then the Giants have real problems. Besides thr numerous errors, what left such a bad taste last week was the collapse of the o line. We have seen much too much of that the past two years and it is not pretty. Any unit or team can have a bad day l, but if it is a trend then this season will turn ugly again.
Giants have to play desperate too, come out on both sides like caged aninals.
This is the season.
Perhaps we were "fooled" by the general performance of the OL before last week but we probably shouldn't have been..Aside from rookie growing pains by Flowers, the entire OL as presently constructed has never played together. Flowers and Newhouse(for now) are new. Pugh and Richburg are playing different positions and Schwartz effectively missed the entire year in 2014..They really are a work in progress
is it possible that we are being fooled by the overall talent on this roster compared to phil/dallas?
Is it extremely likely that to help Flowers, we'll chip with Jennings or Vereen?
if that is the case then it seems to me that the giant FO is in denial about about the direction they have been taking.
But do you think we Flowers out by chipping with one of our backs?
It's very frustrating that after 3 years of roster turnover, this group still lacks the toughness/talent on both sides of the ball to compete with their 2 biggest rivals. The number of projected holes on this roster heading into 2016 conceivably could be more than at any other time since 2012. I know many posters, including yourself, were hoping 2016 be that "jump" year for this group. I think 2017 or 2018 is more realistic. Then what is Eli at that point? A worse version of 2015 Peyton? It's scary when one tries to project where this is all heading.
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I don't know if they have the horses, between the injuries on both sides of the ball, the habitual mistakes and shooting themselves in the foot on offense, or enough belief in themselves to beat Dallas or Philly.
It's very frustrating that after 3 years of roster turnover, this group still lacks the toughness/talent on both sides of the ball to compete with their 2 biggest rivals. The number of projected holes on this roster heading into 2016 conceivably could be more than at any other time since 2012. I know many posters, including yourself, were hoping 2016 be that "jump" year for this group. I think 2017 or 2018 is more realistic. Then what is Eli at that point? A worse version of 2015 Peyton? It's scary when one tries to project where this is all heading.
Possibly, if he has 4 neck operations..
Second, their building efforts are slowly taking shape, but they're in a position where they're still working to overcome early retirement injury losses, as well as that very poor stretch of drafting where it appears they might have been leaning heavily on Ross to lead the draft pipeline. Look at the talent losses at DE, the cycling of resources spent at WR, DT, CB, etc.
Third, I do think we're nearing the end of the TC era. There's something cultural with this team that looks good one week, and dumbstruck the next, and the pattern has been going for YEARS. The elephant in the room for me tho is whether or not Reese is the man to lead beyond TC.
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I don't know if they have the horses, between the injuries on both sides of the ball, the habitual mistakes and shooting themselves in the foot on offense, or enough belief in themselves to beat Dallas or Philly.
But do you think we Flowers out by chipping with one of our backs?
Yes, or a TE. I believe Flowers can handle Hardy though. The other four OL concern me more week to week.
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I don't know if they have the horses, between the injuries on both sides of the ball, the habitual mistakes and shooting themselves in the foot on offense, or enough belief in themselves to beat Dallas or Philly.
It's very frustrating that after 3 years of roster turnover, this group still lacks the toughness/talent on both sides of the ball to compete with their 2 biggest rivals. The number of projected holes on this roster heading into 2016 conceivably could be more than at any other time since 2012. I know many posters, including yourself, were hoping 2016 be that "jump" year for this group. I think 2017 or 2018 is more realistic. Then what is Eli at that point? A worse version of 2015 Peyton? It's scary when one tries to project where this is all heading.
The manner of the loss last week really irritated me. And, despite the big cap space at their disposal come March, I'm not convinced Reese will be able to get it done, or that NYG-type talent is out there at DE, for example. Tough spot. Shit drafts are still hampering us.
Second, their building efforts are slowly taking shape, but they're in a position where they're still working to overcome early retirement injury losses, as well as that very poor stretch of drafting where it appears they might have been leaning heavily on Ross to lead the draft pipeline. Look at the talent losses at DE, the cycling of resources spent at WR, DT, CB, etc.
Third, I do think we're nearing the end of the TC era. There's something cultural with this team that looks good one week, and dumbstruck the next, and the pattern has been going for YEARS. The elephant in the room for me tho is whether or not Reese is the man to lead beyond TC.
three gms since 1979,what does that tell us,gms are like supreme court appointments for the giants.in my opinion the giants have to go outside for a new gm and not promote from within as history shows.
I guess it's all cyclical and eventually they will be an elite team again. Eventually. But the way Jerry Reese has been operating God only knows how soon that will be. All I know is as a fan I'm sick of losing to the fucking Eagles. I'm sick of losing to the Cowboys. And I'm sick of the overall disrespect this team gets in general. Then again, they haven't really done anything to negate some of the dis they get.
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Injuries first, they're shorthanded, and at multiple key positions.
Second, their building efforts are slowly taking shape, but they're in a position where they're still working to overcome early retirement injury losses, as well as that very poor stretch of drafting where it appears they might have been leaning heavily on Ross to lead the draft pipeline. Look at the talent losses at DE, the cycling of resources spent at WR, DT, CB, etc.
Third, I do think we're nearing the end of the TC era. There's something cultural with this team that looks good one week, and dumbstruck the next, and the pattern has been going for YEARS. The elephant in the room for me tho is whether or not Reese is the man to lead beyond TC.
three gms since 1979,what does that tell us,gms are like supreme court appointments for the giants.in my opinion the giants have to go outside for a new gm and not promote from within as history shows.
Reese has plenty of faults:
The contracts he's given out
Players he's signed in FA
A portfolio full of mid to late round draft busts
Relying on Marc Ross
If Mara ever smartened up, he'd can his ass this year and ask to interview Eric DeCosta from Baltimore, who is so respected in this league, he can hand choose his next job or wait for Ozzie Newsome to retire. You'd like to think the NY Giants still carry a certain panache that he'd want the job.
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Injuries first, they're shorthanded, and at multiple key positions.
Second, their building efforts are slowly taking shape, but they're in a position where they're still working to overcome early retirement injury losses, as well as that very poor stretch of drafting where it appears they might have been leaning heavily on Ross to lead the draft pipeline. Look at the talent losses at DE, the cycling of resources spent at WR, DT, CB, etc.
Third, I do think we're nearing the end of the TC era. There's something cultural with this team that looks good one week, and dumbstruck the next, and the pattern has been going for YEARS. The elephant in the room for me tho is whether or not Reese is the man to lead beyond TC.
three gms since 1979,what does that tell us,gms are like supreme court appointments for the giants.in my opinion the giants have to go outside for a new gm and not promote from within as history shows.
Reese has plenty of faults:
The contracts he's given out
Players he's signed in FA
A portfolio full of mid to late round draft busts
Relying on Marc Ross
If Mara ever smartened up, he'd can his ass this year and ask to interview Eric DeCosta from Baltimore, who is so respected in this league, he can hand choose his next job or wait for Ozzie Newsome to retire. You'd like to think the NY Giants still carry a certain panache that he'd want the job. [/quote
mara stated at his year end 2014 presser that he thinks he has very good people in the FO. denial?
Ayers will be back..:)
If two of those three happen we win.
This team needs toughness it's a shame when all pro's and HOF'ers question your heart and desire to finish.
Prove them wrong!!!!!
I could dig it..:)
Agree a 1000% on this. I don't why I'm more concern with giants defense than Dallas defense vs giants ol, even with it being stronger than last meeting. I feel the giant ol will bounce back tomorrow after last mon. Nite
I'm not too worried about the Cowboys offense but then again, there's that NFL rule which requires the Giants leave Jason Witten uncovered for at least one touchdown and three big spots per game. Its true that Cassel isn't a very good quarterback but its also true that our pass defense isn't very good.
Control the run on defense, run the ball on offense. We beat these guys in Dallas and then we beat ourselves. Don't do anything stupid.
That's awful.
That's awful.
There are legitimate concerns..Remember, Woodley got to the SB with the Dolphins. Dilfer(much better than Cassel, though) won one against us..We need to make Cassel throw and throw imv..The other points made above are solid
The Giants would be 10-point underdogs ... if the situations were reversed - imo.