I was excited when they drafted him, I get the whole 1st round grade talk, great value, steal, etc.
I get that players take time to develop, I was burned on the Corey Webster bandwagon (I thought he was terrible after getting trucked by Marion Barber and then he became a shutdown corner). I'm patiently waiting for him to ascend or at least stabilize.
His production hasn't been terrible:
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2015 New York Giants 7 26 329 12.7 47.0 44 2 5 2 17 0
2014 New York Giants 16 71 938 13.2 58.6 49 3 12 2 48 0
2013 New York Giants 16 41 611 14.9 38.2 37T 6 16 0 28 1
2012 New York Giants 16 19 298 15.7 18.6 56 3 4 2 13 0
TOTAL 55 157 2,176 13.9 39.6 56 14 37 6 106 1
But he frustrates the hell out of me sometimes. The drop hurt to watch, I mean that was a perfect throw.
For me the maddening portion is running out of bounds after the bomb, why? Is he protecting an injury? I mean, isn't the objective there to try and outrun the defender?
He's also a big guy, can't he stiff arm or outmuscle the defender? Knowing that football is a game of inches, wouldn't you try to get every yard? Why wouldn't he think 6 there?
It just frustrates me since I don't understand the thought process there. I don't care that he's not fiery, that's fine, it just feels like there is a disconnect there. Is this an overreaction? I'm happy with the win, I just want winning players on the team.
Simply put. He is not very good.
It did piss me off that he made that beautiful separation and catch ... and then hops out of bounds, along with dropping a pass in a big spot later in the game.
Yesterday was Randle in a nutshell.
Is it easier to believe that he just decided he didn't want to score, or that he's got knee tendinitis and a hamstring that's limiting him?
Actually, that was a smart move. He's banged up - would have had 2-3 more yards and taken a pounding. We had the first, he was better off going out of bounds.
To some extent, I feel sorry for Randle. I don't think he's healthy, and he's pushing through it as a combo of helping the team and the fact that he's in a contract year. When he looks less than 100%, he immediately takes shit for it.
The only reason I'm not completely sympathetic is that it took some time for the light to come on for him, and that's why people are quick to criticize him.
Simply put. He is not very good.
I have to say, I agree. As far as those talking abut an injury, he looks the same to me as he has these past few seasons.
Randle has no real twitch in his game. He's not a great YAC guy. He can win some one on one battles and his hands are OK. Add it up and he is what he is. Manningham was a better player.
I think they did.
they drafted a guy outside of the 1st round, who they graded as a 1st round talent. and he stinks. so they made 2 mistakes. 1 in the 1st round grade and another in drafting him.
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on the DBs, yet runs out of bounds. Brains, yes, they are lacking.
Is it easier to believe that he just decided he didn't want to score, or that he's got knee tendinitis and a hamstring that's limiting him?
So, say nobody was within 10 yards of him, the field was open, should he run out of bounds because his knee hurts?
Yesterday he decided to "wow" us with a one handed catch, and then proceeded to disappoint us on the same play by casually running out of bounds for no reason.
Just what you want with a 2nd round pick...
they drafted a guy outside of the 1st round, who they graded as a 1st round talent. and he stinks. so they made 2 mistakes. 1 in the 1st round grade and another in drafting him.
HE doesn't stink --relax. The guy will probably play in the NFL for 7-10 years and catch 400 passes. He's an OK player maybe he even improves but to sit here and say the guy stinks or it was a terrible draft pick is just ridiculous. He's probably playing to his late 2nd round class.
Just think Mario was better value and a better player. More of a gamer.
that's great---
Both were there.
Giants paid about 6 million for a third WR for 4 years. That's good value.
Let him walk and take the comp pick.
Anquan Boldin WR 35 SF TBD $6,909,000 UFA
Malcom Floyd WR 34 SD TBD $4,716,668 UFA
Percy Harvin WR 27 BUF TBD $4,000,000 UFA
M. Crabtree WR 28 OAK TBD $3,200,000 UFA
Rod Streater WR 27 OAK TBD $2,356,000 UFA
Jermaine Kearse WR 25 SEA TBD $2,356,000 UFA
Miles Austin WR 31 PHI TBD $2,225,000 UFA
Brian Quick WR 26 STL TBD $1,713,918 UFA
Mohamed Sanu WR 26 CIN TBD $1,682,813 UFA
Andre Caldwell WR 30 DEN TBD $1,550,000 UFA
Andre Holmes WR 27 OAK TBD $1,542,000 UFA
Alshon Jeffery WR 25 CHI TBD $1,447,036 UFA
Rueben Randle WR 24 NYG TBD $1,047,432 UFA
Leon. Hankerson WR 26 WAS TBD $1,000,000 UFA
Travis Benjamin WR 25 CLE TBD $779,250 UFA
Jordan Norwood WR 29 DEN TBD $745,000 UFA
Marvin Jones WR 25 CIN TBD $700,700 UFA
Rish. Matthews WR 26 MIA TBD $673,403 UFA
Seyi Ajirotutu WR 28 PHI TBD $665,000 UFA
Brandon Tate WR 28 CIN TBD $665,000 UFA
Jason Avant WR 32 KC TBD $665,000 UFA
Brandon Gibson WR 28 NE TBD $665,000 UFA
Lance Moore WR 32 DET TBD $665,000 UFA
D Heyward-Bey WR 28 PIT TBD $665,000 UFA
Ric. Lockette WR 29 SEA TBD $660,000 UFA
Saying he's not a top 3 receiver on this team is retarded. If you think other receivers don't drop passes, you're not watching any other teams.
Go ahead and not sign him and you are going to be drafting another wideout with a top pick and that means you aren't using that pick on the defense which still needs helps and speed. A 24 year old receiver with a 70 catch 1000 yard season under his belt is going to be a hot commodity as a FA.
Saying he's not a top 3 receiver on this team is retarded. If you think other receivers don't drop passes, you're not watching any other teams.
Go ahead and not sign him and you are going to be drafting another wideout with a top pick and that means you aren't using that pick on the defense which still needs helps and speed. A 24 year old receiver with a 70 catch 1000 yard season under his belt is going to be a hot commodity as a FA.
I'd absolutely try to resign him..At what Cost? Not sure at this point
He's not the guy you want as a 1st or 2nd option, but if he isn't asking for much, I'd take him back at $3-4M per.
I agree he is frustrating because he seems to have the talent to play much better but I think he may be stupid. He is nursing an injury so I give him a pass for the sideline/run out of bounds play but that amazing pass & drop is terrible.
So sign a 36 year-old(next season) over a 24-25 year-old..Get it..
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And cheaper, too....
So sign a 36 year-old(next season) over a 24-25 year-old..Get it..
You think Randle is better than Boldin?!? Whatever you say, boss.....
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And cheaper, too....
So sign a 36 year-old(next season) over a 24-25 year-old..Get it..
You think Randle is better than Boldin?!? Whatever you say, boss.....
I believe his point is Boldins exit is nearing, where as Randle has a long career ahead.
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Guy catches a 44 yarder and 24 yarder and there is complaining.
Saying he's not a top 3 receiver on this team is retarded. If you think other receivers don't drop passes, you're not watching any other teams.
Go ahead and not sign him and you are going to be drafting another wideout with a top pick and that means you aren't using that pick on the defense which still needs helps and speed. A 24 year old receiver with a 70 catch 1000 yard season under his belt is going to be a hot commodity as a FA.
I'd absolutely try to resign him..At what Cost? Not sure at this point
He'll probably pull a ~$5M/year offer from somewhere. Young WRs with non-terrible starting experience do tend to get paid.
The clear ceiling is the Golden Tate contract with DET ($6.2M avg.) Reuben and Golden will have had similar numbers under their respective rookie deals if Randle finishes the season on his current pace, but Tate added value as a PR and could argue that the run-first offense in SEA limited his productivity.
He's a guy who you absolutely do NOT match market value, unless the market has tanked.
He's good, but flawed, and the tendinitis thing scares the crap out of me.
gotta let the season play out, but at this point...not with a 10 foot pole.
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on the DBs, yet runs out of bounds. Brains, yes, they are lacking.
Is it easier to believe that he just decided he didn't want to score, or that he's got knee tendinitis and a hamstring that's limiting him?
Those two things, along with his record on missing meetings and his wild inconsistency, tells me he's not worth to re-sign come March.
Simply put. He is not very good.
He is a top 3 receiver on our team. I am not sure what your point is. He would also be a top 3 receiver on other teams that lack WR depth, Green Bay for example. Everyone tries to get the best players they can with the talent that's out there and their salary cap constraints. I feel like Randle is making plays for the Giants. Not perfect, but a valuable member of our team.
They have a really tough call to make this off-season. Do they re-sign him knowing he has a chronic condition or do they sink resources into into adding another WR? I can live with the RR of last year but I also don't want another injury risk in addition to Cruz. Going WR high in the next draft might take away from adding a TE, DE, or O-lineman that they need.
Wheres Manningham now?
"thank god Randle is out", not me. I wanted him in there because I thought he could help us win the game...
So with that, tell me why I should think Randle is not an important part of this team ...
DQ
Basically. He's reached his potential. And I don't see him getting better. That drop almost costed the giants.. Speaking of drops, how many do they have now 23 ?
Sanu? Streater? Kearse? Matthews?
All better football players than Randle.
I'd take Sanu first. Even at 5-6 million a year.
Rishard Matthews
Brian Quick
randle is definitely a decent player in this league. Especially when he's 100%. Look at the last 2 games of the year in 2014.
Take a look at the Rams game especially!!
He is the opposite of Beckham in this regard. He seems content to just be around, not striving to the absolute best. This small ball approach is lazy.
You build a winning team with are guys with the attitude of a a Beckum, a Manning, a Vereen. Always striving to be the absolute best, regardless of talent level or if they are vocally loud.
Randle, like Donnell, are maddening because they have some good measurable and ability, but they seems to shrink down to moments rather than rise up and seize it and excel over everyone.
Randle is a decent player. Hardly a bust at the end of round #2. Inconsistent hands. Injured and beat up.
The way our coordinator is calling the offense this year, OBJ will be lucky to pass 1200 yards. What chance does Randle have to get big yards?????
Randle is a 'middle class' player. I dont see any star makings in him though. What attribute of his is star like?
His size is slightly above average. His speed and moves are pedestrian. His competitiveness and drive are average. His health is average to below average. His knowledge of the offense is probably his best attribute.
Perhaps people remember his lofty draft evaluation. Forget it, its known he's not the Hakeem Nicks clone people thought we were getting with him for years now.
Quite frankly, he looked at least somewhat explosive as a rookie against dallas and philly. have not seen that since. His body seems to have broken down at an early age happens to football players.