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Arrow Pointing Up, But This is a Really Big Game on Sunday

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/28/2015 12:58 pm
and we are still undermanned with Amukamara, Cruz, JPP, Beatty not suiting up.

Can the team squeak out one more win to buy a little more time until the reinforcements start returning?

Not looking too far ahead, but the Bucs WR corps took some big hits on Sunday.
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Eric, that's good news  
ZogZerg : 10/28/2015 1:11 pm : link
..
I think the Saints  
RinR : 10/28/2015 1:11 pm : link
come in with growing confidence having beat the unbeaten Falcons and Colts. Just dont see this turning out well for the Giants unless Spags gets creative and gets some pressure on Brees.

Oddly, I can see Beckham having a huge day but in a losing cause.
I dont think NO is very good  
AnnapolisMike : 10/28/2015 1:13 pm : link
but I do not see them winning this game either. I think they are a little undermanned this weekend. We will see. I see them losing this game and beating NE.
It's the Saints' game to lose, so I wish  
CT Charlie : 10/28/2015 1:15 pm : link
Coughlin and Spags would take risks. Unusual formations, gadget plays, things to give our guys something extra to focus on, and things that catch the Saints by surprise and take the crowd out of the game.
In 2011 I remember the Giants  
WE GUNNA, STOMP YOU OUT! : 10/28/2015 1:16 pm : link
scoring a TD sometime in the 3rd quarter to make it somewhat close. Then all of a sudden it was a complete shitshow.

I understand this is a different Saints team but they are still dangerous. If we can keep them under 23 points, Eli and Co. have a good chance.
I don't see us beating a top flight QB. There is no evidence to  
RDJR : 10/28/2015 1:17 pm : link
suggest otherwise. Lost to Romo, Ryan and a much less than top flight Bradford. We've beaten, drumroll please.... Cousins, Taylor, Kaepernick and Cassell. Brees will shred us if we continue to rush the passer the way we have.
I also don't love their chances against Brees  
JonC : 10/28/2015 1:19 pm : link
but Brees' weapons are less now, and the NO defense stinks.

The Tampa game looms large as well, NYG needs to win games where they're perhaps a slight underdog on the road while the opportunities present themselves.
I'm usually very optimistic but the superdome...  
OBJ_AllDay : 10/28/2015 1:26 pm : link
Owns us. Brees with all day plus Hosley on the field = not good
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 10/28/2015 1:28 pm : link
The schedule gets tougher post-bye. The Giants have five games left against teams currently not in playoff position - Saints, Bucs, Skins, Dolphins, Eagles. Winning at least 4/5 of those is imperative if the team is going to make the playoffs - and the team will more than likely need another win elsewhere.
Reposting from the other thread in case you missed it  
FranknWeezer : 10/28/2015 1:35 pm : link
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I have been to every Saints/Giants game at the Superdome since 1993
FranknWeezer : 12:40 pm : link : reply

a few days before Christmas. Won that one 24-14, pretty handily. Phil Simms (one of his last hoorah's) > Wade Wilson, basically.

1994- Lost 27-22. Dave Brown Special. This was the Dan Reeves Denver Giants team. I remember a banner hanging in the upper deck that said "All I Want for Christmas is Kent Graham to Start at QB". Random fact...I still have my game program from this game, and the cover is a headshot of our punter, Mike Horan with the title "Mile High Horan".

Since going 1-1 back then, things have been atrocious, and the games haven't even been close. Nobody needs to take this team lightly...I don't care how 'down' the Saints are this year. They OWN our ass in the Superdome. Their fans really seem to get 'up' for the Giants. They like Eli, but they are hell on 'away' fans. We can't keep the Saints from scoring over 40 in NO under Coughlin's tenure. Eli has never won there (in the NFL, that is), and we never seem to even bother to get off the bus/plane.

2003- Lost 45-7: Sunday Night Football, for all the world to see. This was the Joe Horn cell phone in the goal post game. Our QB was Jessie Palmer. Fassel's tenure was down the drain and we had no Strahan, Hilliard and some other big names. I watched Shockey practice PUNTING on the field for 30 minutes before the game. It came out later that he'd stayed out all night and gotten plastered in the French Quarter. We got our ever living asses handed to us. Embarrassing.

2005- Don't be confused by PFR listing this as a Home game for the Saints. After Hurricane Katrina, we hung some Saints banners at Giants Stadium and invited the homeless and hapless Saints to NJ for a 'home' game, and sent them packing with an L, 27-10.

2009- Lost 48-27: Brees killed us. Shockey even scored (guess that first rounder made it worthwhile, though). Nowhere near as close as this score. I don't think we touched Brees all game. We couldn't run the ball or cover in the secondary. Horrible.

2011- Lost 49-24: Brees murdered us yet again. Even scored up the middle on a run. They beat us up front, too...man-to-man. We looked so weak and uninspired out there. Long day in the Dome.

As bad as has been the last three times, that's as close as my GMEN ever come to me, so you bet your ass I'm not missing this one. Hopefully they'll send me home with something to be happy about this year.
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We should be able to run the ball  
ryanmkeane : 10/28/2015 1:35 pm : link
against this team. Let's get some quality drives together and wear out the defense. Make Brees throw it a million times and force some turnovers.
It seems like in Fedex  
BigBlueJ : 10/28/2015 1:37 pm : link
And Superdome these past few years have been a shitshow.
One difference is that this game isn't a prime-timer.  
jsuds : 10/28/2015 1:40 pm : link
I like our chances better in this time slot.

If we are to have any chance to take this one on the road, imv we need to show up against the run like we did the first few weeks, not like we have the previous two. If we give Ingram a big game Brees will pick us apart off the play action.

If we stop the run and can't get to Brees, he'll still pick us apart but we'll have a chance for some picks of our own.
I have a feeling we might generate pass pressure from an unexpected source.
The giants need  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/28/2015 1:42 pm : link
Dallas to lose to the seahawks and then beat the eagles. Assuming the Giants split the next two they'll be 5-4.

Puts the Eagles at 3-5
Cowboys at 3-6.
The key for me  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/28/2015 1:43 pm : link
Run the ball well and shorten the game. I'm not real confident
Weird Matchup  
JohnVB : 10/28/2015 1:45 pm : link
Brees has killed us in the SD but it's not the same team. Their OL isn't as good as prior years and their receivers have underwhelmed. Our run defense matches up better vs the Saints than last week.

The keys like most weeks will be offensive efficiency and causing some turnovers on defense.
The Giants should have beat the Falcons  
ZogZerg : 10/28/2015 1:48 pm : link
and the Cowboys blew their game with them as well (with no Romo or Dez), not to mention the Falcons had to win in OT against the Skins. Falcons could easily have 4 loses. Colts can't beat anyone except other teams in their crap show of a division. Maybe Saints have some false confidence going into the game this Sunday.

Eli needs to earn his paycheck this Sunday and Beckham needs to put on a show.
RE: I'm usually very optimistic but the superdome...  
Gman11 : 10/28/2015 1:55 pm : link
In comment 12583356 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Owns us. Brees with all day plus Hosley on the field = not good


Stop it. They haven't played in 4 years. The number of players on both teams that played in that game probably number around 10.

It's not the same teams. The only thing that's the same are the QBs and the head coaches. What happened 4 years ago and later has no bearing whatsoever on this week's game.
I'm hoping Eli and OBJ have extra juice to prove something  
Ben in Tampa : 10/28/2015 1:56 pm : link
in Louisiana. Feels like Beckham could have a breakout game soon.

This is a huge game against an average opponent.
I expect Eli  
BurlyMan : 10/28/2015 2:07 pm : link
OBJ and Randle to really play well. Run defense needs to step up.
I think the arrow is steady  
Joey in VA : 10/28/2015 2:07 pm : link
on .500. We've won with a stingy run defense, poruos run defense, huge aerial games, non existent passing days and special teams miracles. We can't do anything well for an extended period of more than 3 games but the truly sloppy play NFL wide has helped us. TC took time to catch up to the reduced practice and OTA schedule, he simplified his offense and adopted more sports science methods which haven't cut down injuries but it sure as hell has helped with how this team competes every week.

They haven't come out slow or stodgy or soft yet, which has been a staple of his teams during his tenure. This shift has us at peak performance by game days and with a talent deficiency we need it. Right now, TC is out coaching people and so are his coordinators. There is bad bad bad football league wide because of the reduced practice times and the teams not adjusting are struggling. I'm not saying Coughlin has been perfect or solved everything but this is a huge huge step for this team to be prepared every week.
with owa hurting will  
sundayatone : 10/28/2015 2:10 pm : link
moore be active?
I have a feeling  
djm : 10/28/2015 2:11 pm : link
the Giants jump out to a big early lead this Sunday. Whether they can hold on is another story.
the giants need to bring their A game  
Les in TO : 10/28/2015 2:11 pm : link
brees is the best QB the team has faced this season and the saints under payton have been very tough at the superdome (3-1 at home this season even with less talent on offense). given our pass rush has been a weak spot and we are without prince, he's going to exploit our weaknesses executing payton's strategy. ingram and spiller can make the giants pay in the running game. I don't expect another near 50 point debacle like the last two trips, but I can easily see a score like 35-17.

the giants offensive line needs to play much better than they have the last two games and we can't afford any major sloppy/stupid mistakes on offense.
For some reason, I thought the David Wilson  
Gmen703 : 10/28/2015 2:12 pm : link
breakout game was in the Superdome.

Yeah, we need to pay NO back for that Joe Horn stunt. It still gets to me. I'll make sure to down a couple of po'boys in dramatic fashion before the game.
I will never understand  
djm : 10/28/2015 2:15 pm : link
why fans and media focus on shit that happened 4-5-6 years ago as if that has any impact on the game Sunday.

History doesn't always repeat itself. This game on sunday has nothing in common with 2011.
I'd like to see McAdoo feed them a steady....  
Crispino : 10/28/2015 2:20 pm : link
diet of Darkwa and Vereen. Ball control with runs and short passes to shorten the game and keep Brees off the field. I know he isn't what he used to be, but Brees has just killed us over the years.
I'm sorry, but I really don't see the arrow pointing up. It's pointing  
Victor in CT : 10/28/2015 2:30 pm : link
up for some individual players (Flowers, Collins, Richburg, Pugh, Merriwether, Harris in the return game) but they got dominated on Sunday by Dallas in every way. I give them credit for competing and getting the opportunistic turnovers and ST plays, but lets be honest, they sucked in that game.

Philly was even worse in that not only did they lose badly, they laid down like dogs after 2 bad plays in the FIRST QUARTER. No chin.
The "We don't play well in the Superdome" comments are annoying.  
an_idol_mind : 10/28/2015 2:38 pm : link
You're talking about a sample size of 2 games. One was in 2009 where there was no talent in the secondary, and the other was in 2011 when the defense was terrible outside of JPP.

Now, there's reason to worry because our defense is again weak, but the earlier losses have more to do with talent than the location.
RE: I'm sorry, but I really don't see the arrow pointing up. It's pointing  
sundayatone : 10/28/2015 2:41 pm : link
In comment 12583536 Victor in CT said:
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up for some individual players (Flowers, Collins, Richburg, Pugh, Merriwether, Harris in the return game) but they got dominated on Sunday by Dallas in every way. I give them credit for competing and getting the opportunistic turnovers and ST plays, but lets be honest, they sucked in that game.

Philly was even worse in that not only did they lose badly, they laid down like dogs after 2 bad plays in the FIRST QUARTER. No chin.


i agree with you. the beat writers all the pundits and so called experts and even tiki says the giants are lacking talent,so why does reese seem to always get a pass?
RE: I will never understand  
Les in TO : 10/28/2015 2:41 pm : link
In comment 12583485 djm said:
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why fans and media focus on shit that happened 4-5-6 years ago as if that has any impact on the game Sunday.

History doesn't always repeat itself. This game on sunday has nothing in common with 2011.
There is truth to that and I have more faith in this defense than I did in the 2009 and 2011 version. However, Payton and Brees are still a dynamic playcalling/quarterback duo especially on home turf and while some of the supporting cast has changed, the QB and coach duo goes a long way in determining the result. And Brees is hands down the toughest QB the Giants have faced this year, including Romo and Ryan.
We're doomed this Sunday  
BlackLight : 10/28/2015 2:44 pm : link
Reason being, we got trashed by NO in the Joe Horn cell phone game back in 2003.

I can't believe Kato Serwanga is really the best we can do in the secondary!
Watching the Giants' performances over  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/28/2015 2:49 pm : link
the last 3 underwhelming years has taught me 1 thing... the quality of the team as a whole that we face is less important than the quality of the opposing quarterback. Drew Brees is going to the Hall of Fame.

If we beat the Saints in New Orleans I think it's as big a win as we can have with only maybe 3 or 4 exceptions.
Need to keep them in 3rd and long.  
BigBlue in Keys : 10/28/2015 2:56 pm : link
Saints are 4th in the league with a 47% success rate on 3rd down. If the D can't get much pressure they are good at those short checkdowns.
Well, the Saints have a top 10 offense, but a terrible defense,  
yatqb : 10/28/2015 2:56 pm : link
even worse than ours so far this year. I think that we can play with them. It would be nice to be able to stop the run better, but surprisingly (to me) they're 3rd in the league in passing and in the 20s in rushing offense.

I think we're gonna play a TOP game with runs and short passes, with a few long ones to OBJ and Randle. I'm predicting a win. OK, who just wrote that?
agree it's a big game  
federer70 : 10/28/2015 3:14 pm : link
and one we should win to me. We need to keep winning to stay in first because remember that all of the other teams in our division are playing equally weak teams down the road which they may win (mostly thinking about dallas and philly); and philly beat them so we need to hold serve. this O (along with turnovers from D and contributions from special teams) should be able to put up at least 30 or more on this team; which i think should be enough - especially if we get a sizable lead which would lead to more turnovers. New Orleans is not that great anymore.
its another game like the 49ers  
area junc : 10/28/2015 3:18 pm : link
game, where we will face a QB that's struggled because of a bad o-line.
unfortunately, we do not have the pass rush to exploit this weakness. we will get drew brees having all day to spread the ball around, with our usual herd of subpar linebackers
yes saints D is terrible  
area junc : 10/28/2015 3:21 pm : link
but so is our offense. we dont score
there are certain teams/ stadiums  
Les in TO : 10/28/2015 3:22 pm : link
where we seem to have regular success on the road - buffalo, Detroit, Washington, new england and green bay are places where we have excelled in recent history.

on the other end, new Orleans, san diego and philly are places we have had some bad beatdowns.
...  
26.2 : 10/28/2015 3:25 pm : link
I'm bracing for a beating like Philly gave us unfortunately. they are an elite team at home and/or in a dome. if they were coming to NY I'd give us more of a chance. I think it'll be something like 17-10 NO at half time then NO pushes the pace and it ends up being something like 34-10.
It' a "no idea" game  
grizz299 : 10/28/2015 3:25 pm : link
I have no idea what NO has, I have no Idea what we have.

But a win would be huge. Absolutely huge. Cowboys play Seahawks this weak...a win for us, loss for them would really put them behind the 8 ball and almost finish them. A win also means we could very realistically expect a win the following week. That would put us at 6-3 with Prince Beatty JPP and Cruz expected back.

No guarantee of course but 6-3 with talent like that coming back I don't think anyone is catching us.

Of course, teh NFL is such that every week you can paint the game critical.. But this week it really is from a positive stand point because I don't think a loss dooms us while a win does a lot of positive things
The offensive line will determine  
joeinpa : 10/28/2015 4:16 pm : link
if Giants can win

....Brees will shred this Giants defense..I've no doubt

.....but Eli given time to throw down field, could put up 40 points.

I think it is that simple.
RE: I don't see us beating a top flight QB. There is no evidence to  
DonQuixote : 10/28/2015 4:21 pm : link
In comment 12583334 RDJR said:
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suggest otherwise. Lost to Romo, Ryan and a much less than top flight Bradford. We've beaten, drumroll please.... Cousins, Taylor, Kaepernick and Cassell. Brees will shred us if we continue to rush the passer the way we have.


This is how I see it too, hopeful though ...
To me, it's more whether  
barens : 10/28/2015 5:03 pm : link
our top flight QB can slice and dice his way through a poor NO's defense.
Brees is very much susceptible  
NINEster : 10/28/2015 7:13 pm : link
to sophisticated coverage schemes producing interceptions.

I recall when the 49ers played the Saints in 2012 at the Dome they relied on their sick pass rush to force the picks. It almost seemed that whenever they didn't get home he was able to make a play. It was a down season for the Saints, but Brees and Co were still capable of putting it up against the Niners that day.

The last two seasons with noticeably less pass rush they were able to pick him off with pattern matching coverage schemes. Mostly this came from LBs and Safeties, not so much corners.

All 3 games at the Superdome.

Brees still has a bit of a gun slinger mentality that can be taken advantage of.
RE: The offensive line will determine  
mfsd : 10/28/2015 7:18 pm : link
In comment 12583855 joeinpa said:
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if Giants can win

....Brees will shred this Giants defense..I've no doubt

.....but Eli given time to throw down field, could put up 40 points.

I think it is that simple.


Would like to see us keep ramping up the ground game too. Eli will have more time if they have to respect/worry more about the run.
New Orleans offense will move up and down the field all day...  
M.S. : 10/28/2015 7:24 pm : link

...how will our mediocre offense answer with our WRs nursing hammys and a not-great run game?

Would anyone on this site be surprised if the score ends up N.O. 34 - Giants 14?

If, yes, wake up from your deep slumber.
No reason we can't win this game.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/28/2015 7:40 pm : link
This Saints team is meh. The D needs to generate some pressure though. If not, the odds will be much longer.
Yup  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/28/2015 7:42 pm : link
No question the Saints will sell out to stop the run. Let's see if Beckham and Randle can make them pay.
Brees is not the QB he was  
RetroJint : 10/28/2015 8:30 pm : link
They do not have the receivers they once had, either. They can run it on the Giants. Payton got after Rob Ryan for the the piss-poor defensive effort against the Eagles. Since then they have gotten after both Ryan and Luck with a stifling pass rush featuring Jordan and a blitzing Vaccaro, who is displaying freakish athletic talents.

Like the Giants chances. This is a winnable game. The Saints are living off the reputation of being one of the formidable teams in the league. Coughlin will help McAdoo craft a gameplan that attacks the Saints inside on running plays and to the sidelines on passes. Then when Ryan leaves the middle vacated, I think the post game will open too.

7 Saints missed practice today, including 2 members of their o-line. Lewis is iffy with a hip at CB. Giants.
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