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JPP Contract Details

RicFlair : 10/29/2015 10:51 am
Mike Garafolo & #8207;@MikeGarafolo 6m6 minutes ago

Jason Pierre-Paul's contract w/ Giants includes $1.5m in base salary guaranteed, another $1.5m in per-game roster bonuses, source said.



Mike Garafolo & #8207;@MikeGarafolo 5m5 minutes ago

Pierre-Paul has playtime and sack incentives that can get him up to the remaining $8.7m he would've earned on the franchise tender.



Mike Garafolo & #8207;@MikeGarafolo 3m3 minutes ago

Full story coming on Pierre-Paul's contract. Bottom line: if he's active for seven games and hits no incentives, he gets $3m, FA in spring.
So the coaches decide how much he gets paid this year  
AJ23 : 10/29/2015 10:53 am : link
That's not awkward
Sounds like a fair compromise  
jcn56 : 10/29/2015 10:55 am : link
If for some reason he just can't get on the field, he walks home with $1.5m.

If he's active, but isn't performing, he gets $3m.

If he hits his escalators, he makes half of what he had been targeted to make this year, for less than half the games. Not a bad deal.
RE: So the coaches decide how much he gets paid this year  
ron mexico : 10/29/2015 10:57 am : link
In comment 12584904 AJ23 said:
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That's not awkward


Coaches want wins, they don't care about the cap
RE: RE: So the coaches decide how much he gets paid this year  
jcn56 : 10/29/2015 10:58 am : link
In comment 12584915 ron mexico said:
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That's not awkward



Coaches want wins, they don't care about the cap


True, but while they care about wins, JPP cares about money. If they feel he's not ready but JPP differs, it could get awkward.
RE: Sounds like a fair compromise  
ron mexico : 10/29/2015 10:58 am : link
In comment 12584908 jcn56 said:
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If for some reason he just can't get on the field, he walks home with $1.5m.

If he's active, but isn't performing, he gets $3m.

If he hits his escalators, he makes half of what he had been targeted to make this year, for less than half the games. Not a bad deal.


Agreed, seems fair

Guess I was wrong about sacks not being a major part of the deal
Strange that he says 7 games  
cnewk : 10/29/2015 10:59 am : link
Did he mean 9, or is it just assumed that he is out these first 2 games?

Anyway, that sounds like a pretty fair deal for both sides. I like that there are playing time and sack incentives.
I was assuming he would not play the first 2 games  
cnewk : 10/29/2015 11:01 am : link
but I'm surprised the contract would more or less make that assumption.
They said he's targeting Week 10  
jcn56 : 10/29/2015 11:01 am : link
and remember there's a bye in there.
RE: Strange that he says 7 games  
ron mexico : 10/29/2015 11:02 am : link
In comment 12584926 cnewk said:
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Did he mean 9, or is it just assumed that he is out these first 2 games?

Anyway, that sounds like a pretty fair deal for both sides. I like that there are playing time and sack incentives.


Maybe 7 is the min to hit the incentive so that there is not a situation where JPP feels like he needs to get on the field before he is ready
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RicFlair : 10/29/2015 11:03 am : link
Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 2m2 minutes ago

JPP gets $214K each game active (up to 7 G/max of $1.5M). Additional $100K/week for 45% of snaps (200K for 75%, 250K for 80%) - Max of $3.9M


Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 56s56 seconds ago

JPP's sack bonuses kick in at 1/2 sack ($50K) and go up $50K/sack up to 9.5 sacks (worth $1M). Gets $864K trigger at 7.5 sacks...

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 36s36 seconds ago

If JPP gets 10 or more sacks he hits a trigger worth $7.2M minus whatever he earned in 46-man roster bonuses (that was a max of $1.5M)...
Wow - that's way more heavily sack based than I thought  
jcn56 : 10/29/2015 11:06 am : link
We should be so lucky that he hits it, but I doubt it.

Here's what the NYDN said about timeline:

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But the Giants dont seem to be counting on a JPP return to action in Week 10 against the New England Patriots, when his roster exemption expires. Theres been some optimism about that, but a team source said a post-bye return is more realistic.
anyone else rooting for him  
est1986 : 10/29/2015 11:06 am : link
To get 10 sacks?!
RE: anyone else rooting for him  
ron mexico : 10/29/2015 11:08 am : link
In comment 12584955 est1986 said:
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To get 10 sacks?!


Who wouldn't?
RE: anyone else rooting for him  
Randy in CT : 10/29/2015 11:10 am : link
In comment 12584955 est1986 said:
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To get 10 sacks?!
Of course--we get so bent out of shape over the cap which few truly understand anyway.
RE: RE: RE: So the coaches decide how much he gets paid this year  
giants#1 : 10/29/2015 11:10 am : link
In comment 12584919 jcn56 said:
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In comment 12584904 AJ23 said:


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That's not awkward



Coaches want wins, they don't care about the cap



True, but while they care about wins, JPP cares about money. If they feel he's not ready but JPP differs, it could get awkward.


Except notice it says 7 games. They have 9 left, so the Giants (TC/Reese/Mara) are expecting it to take 2 weeks for JPP to get up to speed.
Interesting structure  
JonC : 10/29/2015 11:11 am : link
My guesstimate of $3M was on target for the base component, but I guesstimated it would top out around $6M. Giants put the full carrot out there.
Base component meaning  
JonC : 10/29/2015 11:11 am : link
base salary and per-game, easy to reach dollars.
#1 - see my 11:06 - they're expecting him back after the bye.  
jcn56 : 10/29/2015 11:12 am : link
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RE: Strange that he says 7 games  
giants#1 : 10/29/2015 11:12 am : link
In comment 12584926 cnewk said:
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Did he mean 9, or is it just assumed that he is out these first 2 games?

Anyway, that sounds like a pretty fair deal for both sides. I like that there are playing time and sack incentives.


Likely intentional so that JPP's side doesn't feel pressured to play immediately and doesn't feel animosity if TC doesn't view him as ready until the NE game.

Obviously a win-win if TC thinks he can play before then as it'll give JPP more time to hit the performance incentives.
The target is for him to play 7 games  
JonC : 10/29/2015 11:12 am : link
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Fair deal for Giants  
aquidneck : 10/29/2015 11:13 am : link
And not what I predicted.

Awesome that both sides are happy. Go Giants! For all the talk about lack of trust in both sides, this deal hopefully signifies a turning point.
RE: anyone else rooting for him  
bradshaw44 : 10/29/2015 11:13 am : link
In comment 12584955 est1986 said:
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To get 10 sacks?!


Ummmm, all of us? Haha
RE: So the coaches decide how much he gets paid this year  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/29/2015 11:16 am : link
In comment 12584904 AJ23 said:
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That's not awkward


Haha it's a fair point, but I don't think the Giants will be benching him to save money if the playoffs are on the line.
RE: RE: Strange that he says 7 games  
cnewk : 10/29/2015 11:16 am : link
In comment 12584974 giants#1 said:
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Did he mean 9, or is it just assumed that he is out these first 2 games?

Anyway, that sounds like a pretty fair deal for both sides. I like that there are playing time and sack incentives.



Likely intentional so that JPP's side doesn't feel pressured to play immediately and doesn't feel animosity if TC doesn't view him as ready until the NE game.

Obviously a win-win if TC thinks he can play before then as it'll give JPP more time to hit the performance incentives.


Yeah that makes sense. There are a lot of incentives in here that are not particularly easy to make. But, it would be great if he earns a lot of this money. If La Canfora's details are right, it goes to show that the Giants were the ones with the most leverage. (As we all should have realized.)
RE: Interesting structure  
giants#1 : 10/29/2015 11:17 am : link
In comment 12584970 JonC said:
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My guesstimate of $3M was on target for the base component, but I guesstimated it would top out around $6M. Giants put the full carrot out there.


That's an awfully big carrot. Whoever thought the Giants had no leverage was living in a different world. You can likely throw out the 80% of snaps incentive for the first 2 weeks he's back, even if he's playing like the old JPP. That'd be a heavy workload...

10 sacks in 7 games? Even in 9 games that would be a stretch.
It sounds like the Giants intend to take full advantage...  
Milton : 10/29/2015 11:18 am : link
...of the two week roster exemption that allows him to practice with the team, but not play on Sunday.
Odd That It Is So Sack Focused  
Trainmaster : 10/29/2015 11:19 am : link
Sacks are about skill, effort and some luck.

Maybe it is too hard to measure, but why not incentives for tackles (to incentivize run stopping) or QB pressures (in the event JPP pressures the QB into the arms of another defender)?

So JPP could have a 10 tackle game with 8 QB pressures and not earn any incentive money, but could have a zero tackle, no QB pressure game and pick up a "coverage sack" and get paid?
RE: RE: So the coaches decide how much he gets paid this year  
giants#1 : 10/29/2015 11:19 am : link
In comment 12584983 Mike in Long Beach said:
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That's not awkward



Haha it's a fair point, but I don't think the Giants will be benching him to save money if the playoffs are on the line.


1. TC's not that type of guy
2. JPP agreeing to that incentive structure, shows he trusts TC/Spags.
RE: Odd That It Is So Sack Focused  
giants#1 : 10/29/2015 11:21 am : link
In comment 12584993 Trainmaster said:
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Sacks are about skill, effort and some luck.

Maybe it is too hard to measure, but why not incentives for tackles (to incentivize run stopping) or QB pressures (in the event JPP pressures the QB into the arms of another defender)?

So JPP could have a 10 tackle game with 8 QB pressures and not earn any incentive money, but could have a zero tackle, no QB pressure game and pick up a "coverage sack" and get paid?


Nice theoretical, but typically if you're getting 8 pressures, you're going to luck into a sack or two.

And his performance against the run will be paid for via snap count incentives, which is even better because stopping the run is often team/assignment based and the guy that makes the key play (e.g. holding the POA) doesn't always get the tackle. See Moore for an example of what happens when you can't play the run.
I would have proposed a team incentive or two.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/29/2015 11:22 am : link
Wins? Division title? Playoff wins? Third-down stop percentage? Not sure which of those the CBA still allows, or whether they are kosher in JPP's particular situation.

Overall, the deal is very fair: it doesn't penalize him further for needing at least two weeks to get into football shape and learn the basics of the defense, which is simply prudent even without the hand injuries. And once he's on the field, his pay is largely based on production.

I dislike tying money to sacks, because sacks are such an imperfect metric, and bonuses based on them can create perverse incentives. On the other hand, most football stats for individual players pretty much suck, so it's not as if there are great alternatives. The best you can really hope is that any bullsh!t, Markus Kuhn-esque sacks JPP gets paid for will be balanced out by plays where he applies key pressure but doesn't get credit for a sack.
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RicFlair : 10/29/2015 11:23 am : link
Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 7m7 minutes ago

Critical element of JPP deal - NYG agree not to put him on NFI list, so contract can't toll. Otherwise may have had to play '16 on this deal

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 8m8 minutes ago

So now JPP is assured that come 2016, NYG either have to franchise him again, sign him long term or he becomes an unrestricted free agent
RE: Interesting structure  
ron mexico : 10/29/2015 11:25 am : link
In comment 12584970 JonC said:
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My guesstimate of $3M was on target for the base component, but I guesstimated it would top out around $6M. Giants put the full carrot out there.


In reality it does cap out at under $6mm

if he is active for 7 games, gets 75% of the snaps each week and 6 sacks (all on the high end of my estimation)he will earn 5.75mm
RE: I would have proposed a team incentive or two.  
giants#1 : 10/29/2015 11:26 am : link
In comment 12585005 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Wins? Division title? Playoff wins? Third-down stop percentage? Not sure which of those the CBA still allows, or whether they are kosher in JPP's particular situation.

Overall, the deal is very fair: it doesn't penalize him further for needing at least two weeks to get into football shape and learn the basics of the defense, which is simply prudent even without the hand injuries. And once he's on the field, his pay is largely based on production.

I dislike tying money to sacks, because sacks are such an imperfect metric, and bonuses based on them can create perverse incentives. On the other hand, most football stats for individual players pretty much suck, so it's not as if there are great alternatives. The best you can really hope is that any bullsh!t, Markus Kuhn-esque sacks JPP gets paid for will be balanced out by plays where he applies key pressure but doesn't get credit for a sack.


See my previous post about the snap count incentives, which also appears to be the "easiest" way for JPP to earn the money. If he's hurting the team via poor gap discipline and/or selling out against the pass (hi Moore) he won't be playing anywhere near 80% of the snaps.

"Cheap" sacks and near misses on great pressures likely balance themselves out over time.
RE: RE: Interesting structure  
JonC : 10/29/2015 11:27 am : link
In comment 12584987 giants#1 said:
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My guesstimate of $3M was on target for the base component, but I guesstimated it would top out around $6M. Giants put the full carrot out there.



That's an awfully big carrot. Whoever thought the Giants had no leverage was living in a different world. You can likely throw out the 80% of snaps incentive for the first 2 weeks he's back, even if he's playing like the old JPP. That'd be a heavy workload...

10 sacks in 7 games? Even in 9 games that would be a stretch.


Agreed, I posted much the same yesterday. NYG honoring the full potential of the remaining pro-rated dollars surprised me as well.
RE: Odd That It Is So Sack Focused  
cnewk : 10/29/2015 11:27 am : link
In comment 12584993 Trainmaster said:
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Sacks are about skill, effort and some luck.

Maybe it is too hard to measure, but why not incentives for tackles (to incentivize run stopping) or QB pressures (in the event JPP pressures the QB into the arms of another defender)?

So JPP could have a 10 tackle game with 8 QB pressures and not earn any incentive money, but could have a zero tackle, no QB pressure game and pick up a "coverage sack" and get paid?


It's really not that sack focused. He can earn basically $4 million based on playing time. That's where most of his money will likely be made. Sacks are the easiest to measure impact stat for a DE, so of course they will be part of the incentives.

It is very unlikely he gets the 10 sack threshold, and even hitting the 7.5 sack mark will be very difficult. If he is able to reach those marks, it's safe to assume he is getting QB pressures as well.

I'm assuming all the incentives are during the regular season, is that right or could it include playoffs as well?
RE: I would have proposed a team incentive or two.  
jcn56 : 10/29/2015 11:28 am : link
In comment 12585005 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Wins? Division title? Playoff wins? Third-down stop percentage? Not sure which of those the CBA still allows, or whether they are kosher in JPP's particular situation.

Overall, the deal is very fair: it doesn't penalize him further for needing at least two weeks to get into football shape and learn the basics of the defense, which is simply prudent even without the hand injuries. And once he's on the field, his pay is largely based on production.

I dislike tying money to sacks, because sacks are such an imperfect metric, and bonuses based on them can create perverse incentives. On the other hand, most football stats for individual players pretty much suck, so it's not as if there are great alternatives. The best you can really hope is that any bullsh!t, Markus Kuhn-esque sacks JPP gets paid for will be balanced out by plays where he applies key pressure but doesn't get credit for a sack.


I don't think I've ever seen a team incentive in a player contract, maybe as you mentioned it's not allowed?

From what I've seen for defensive players, it almost always breaks down to snaps, tackles, INTs and sacks. Don't think you can include pressures/hurries since they're not official stats. Too late in the season to throw a Pro Bowl appearance escalator in there. Not really sure what else they could have gone with.

What surprised me isn't the use of sacks, but the uneven distribution. He can get 7 sacks and basically earn $1m - that's not a whole lot of money to pay for that many sacks in less than half a season. I'll be rooting my ass off for him to hit the full $7.2m, but you'd have to admit that barring a Winston Justice/Osi type night, that's going to be an uphill battle.
RE: RE: Interesting structure  
JonC : 10/29/2015 11:28 am : link
In comment 12585011 ron mexico said:
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My guesstimate of $3M was on target for the base component, but I guesstimated it would top out around $6M. Giants put the full carrot out there.



In reality it does cap out at under $6mm

if he is active for 7 games, gets 75% of the snaps each week and 6 sacks (all on the high end of my estimation)he will earn 5.75mm


I'd agree that's a healthy target zone.
RE: RE: anyone else rooting for him  
Milton : 10/29/2015 11:28 am : link
In comment 12584978 bradshaw44 said:
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To get 10 sacks?!



Ummmm, all of us? Haha
Nothing personal against JPP, but as long as the Giants are winning, I'd just as soon he get no sacks, but 40 tackles, 25 QB hits, and 20 TFL.
RE: RE: RE: Interesting structure  
giants#1 : 10/29/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12585018 JonC said:
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Agreed, I posted much the same yesterday. NYG honoring the full potential of the remaining pro-rated dollars surprised me as well.


Yea, see ron's post though. We're getting "2011 JPP" if he comes within $1-2M of the $8.7M. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to pay for that type of production!
Looks like the Giants will recoup at least a few mil more  
BillT : 10/29/2015 11:49 am : link
From the 8.7 mil. $40+ mil for FAs.
Am I reading this right?  
cnewk : 10/29/2015 11:55 am : link
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JPP gets $214K each game active (up to 7 G/max of $1.5M). Additional $100K/week for 45% of snaps (200K for 75%, 250K for 80%) - Max of $3.9M


If he plays 45% of the snaps in a week he gets $100K.
If he plays 75% he gets $300K (100+200)
If he plays 80% he gets $550K (100+200+250)

I would not have assumed that's what it meant, but $550 times 7 games is $3.85M. This matches the $3.9M max he mentions. This means playing time is clearly to driving force of the contract. There is a much bigger incentive for him to play sound football, that should lead to increased playing time, instead of selling out for sacks. The 10 sacks in 7 games seems unrealistic (especially if he isn't hitting the playing time incentives). The 7.5 sack incentive is more reachable, but isn't nearly as big.
Oh boy I can just see now, no containment on JPP's side.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 10/29/2015 11:56 am : link
And him making a bee line for the quarterback every play. :-)
Those are not "easy to make" incentives  
Vanzetti : 10/29/2015 11:57 am : link
9.5 sacks in 7 games to get the max salary?

That would be tough. It would also be awesome if he hit it
That's an amazing deal from a business standpoint for the Giants...  
Damon : 10/29/2015 11:59 am : link
I hope he gets every available penny... And I bet they do too..
This is why I don't understand reacting to bulk contract numbers  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/29/2015 12:00 pm : link
unless you know the details, you don't really know anything.
Yes  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/29/2015 12:00 pm : link
I hope he plays 100% of the snaps and gets 20 sacks. He gets paid, and the Giants win games.
The deal seems very reasonable for both sides  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/29/2015 12:04 pm : link
HOWEVER, and maybe this is nitpicking...

But I'm slightly concerned about a talented, though immature defensive end who's gifted against the run making 50 thousand dollars every time he collects a sack. The man had 77 tackles last year. He's an elite run stopper when he wants to be. I hope he doesn't forget that.
jcn56: Team incentives are allowed.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/29/2015 12:05 pm : link
jcn56 said:
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I don't think I've ever seen a team incentive in a player contract, maybe as you mentioned it's not allowed?
The CBA definitely allows a specific set of team incentives. Some are statistical, and others are based on wins in the regular season and/or playoffs. The CBA also distinguishes between statistical incentives that apply to players on offense and defense.
RE: Odd That It Is So Sack Focused  
Gman11 : 10/29/2015 12:05 pm : link
In comment 12584993 Trainmaster said:
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Sacks are about skill, effort and some luck.


Will that have him thinking sack on every play, even a run? If you remember Osi running upfield as if looking for a sack while a running back was running through his vacated spot, that's what I fear with this contract.
one thing forgotten  
giantfan2000 : 10/29/2015 12:05 pm : link
JPP is playing for NEXT YEAR

it really doesn't matter what he ends up making this year ..

if he shows he is close to his previous skills
he hits the open market and will get a nice fat contract .

Why wouldn't you want  
KWALL2 : 10/29/2015 12:06 pm : link
JPP to hit all incentives? You want him to play great ball but fall short on sack incentive?

Very strange.
RE: Oh boy I can just see now, no containment on JPP's side.  
giants#1 : 10/29/2015 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12585111 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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And him making a bee line for the quarterback every play. :-)


Read the post directly above yours. If he sells out for the QB, he won't be seeing a high % of snaps.
NYG is already saving $6M on the cap from his absence  
JonC : 10/29/2015 12:13 pm : link
I hope he lights up the rest of 2015.
so now JPP  
Rory : 10/29/2015 12:17 pm : link
has no incentive to play the run and stay in his lane on 1st down.
Damon: I'd call it a fair deal, not an amazing one.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/29/2015 12:18 pm : link
Damon said:
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That's an amazing deal from a business standpoint for the Giants...
I hope he gets every available penny... And I bet they do too..

Arguably the most likely outcome is that they pay millions for seven games of JAG-like production that they could have gotten from George Selvie.

I like the upside of the deal, and as a fan I think it makes the team much more interesting to watch. Business-wise and cap-wise, though, it only pays off if he's a difference-maker. Ironically, the more the Giants pay, the better this deal ends up looking for them.
I don't like the sack incentive  
KWALL2 : 10/29/2015 12:19 pm : link
It should be about playing time and nothing more. His agent should have been firm on that.

So much cash based on a few plays? Bad job by the agent.
His incentive is that Spags will bench him  
Vanzetti : 10/29/2015 12:20 pm : link
if he doesn't play the run or stay in his lane
Sounds like a great contract  
ZogZerg : 10/29/2015 12:22 pm : link
I hope he earns every dollar!
That is am incredible salary escalator with sacks  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 10/29/2015 12:25 pm : link
Never saw that before. Man, if I had a nickel every time my dad hit me I wouldn't have to work!!
Vanzetti  
old man : 10/29/2015 12:32 pm : link
Either that or Spags has a plan to cover his side with a down-low safety on those moments he is ordered to let loose and not worry about the run.
RE: so now JPP  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/29/2015 12:33 pm : link
In comment 12585182 Rory said:
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has no incentive to play the run and stay in his lane on 1st down.


Playing time isn't an incentive?
Snaps/sacks  
rsjem1979 : 10/29/2015 12:34 pm : link
I don't see any way JPP plays 75% of the snaps in any game. The Giants are surely aware of his limitations in the run game even before his injury, and plan to use him primarily as a pass-rusher.

Assuming he surpasses 45% in all 7 games, that's $700,000 + 1.498m = $2.198m

If he gets 8 sacks, I believe that's $400k + $864k trigger = $1.264M

If he gets 7 sacks, that's $300,000.

Realistically, I can't see him getting more than about $3.5 million, and more likely not much more than $2.5 million.

Smart contract from the team's perspective.
RE: Snaps/sacks  
ron mexico : 10/29/2015 12:36 pm : link
In comment 12585223 rsjem1979 said:
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I don't see any way JPP plays 75% of the snaps in any game. The Giants are surely aware of his limitations in the run game even before his injury, and plan to use him primarily as a pass-rusher.

Assuming he surpasses 45% in all 7 games, that's $700,000 + 1.498m = $2.198m

If he gets 8 sacks, I believe that's $400k + $864k trigger = $1.264M

If he gets 7 sacks, that's $300,000.

Realistically, I can't see him getting more than about $3.5 million, and more likely not much more than $2.5 million.

Smart contract from the team's perspective.


While I agree 75% will be tough to meet, limitations in the run game? Run defense is the best part of his game (read option plays not withstanding)
And if he is active for 7 games  
ron mexico : 10/29/2015 12:38 pm : link
which right now there is no reason to think he wont be, he will already be at $3mm.

I guess he ends up making 4-5 this year
Ah, the old 'he's terrible against the run' IQ test.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/29/2015 12:40 pm : link
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RE: And if he is active for 7 games  
rsjem1979 : 10/29/2015 12:41 pm : link
In comment 12585232 ron mexico said:
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which right now there is no reason to think he wont be, he will already be at $3mm.

I guess he ends up making 4-5 this year


Right. Bonuses plus base.
RE: .  
Tony in Tampa : 10/29/2015 12:48 pm : link
In comment 12585006 RicFlair said:
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Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 7m7 minutes ago

Critical element of JPP deal - NYG agree not to put him on NFI list, so contract can't toll. Otherwise may have had to play '16 on this deal

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 8m8 minutes ago

So now JPP is assured that come 2016, NYG either have to franchise him again, sign him long term or he becomes an unrestricted free agent


"Franchise him again"...not yet seeing the contract, Pat Kerwin was discussing this yesterday. He was hoping that from a FO perspective the Giants would not give up their franchise rights in order to sweeten any deal so JPP would sign
JPP  
AP in Halfmoon : 10/29/2015 1:04 pm : link
was terrible against the run? Where did you get that?
Essentially a $3M base salary for seven games  
Torrag : 10/29/2015 1:06 pm : link
Incentives for the rest. Max of $8.7M that we'd like him to reach as it indicates he's been effective on the field. Only time will tell if that's a realistic goal.
Giants are cheap ass dicks....  
WideRight : 10/29/2015 1:08 pm : link
They held a tender out that they don't live up to?

F'em. They will not win when they pull shit like that on players that are supposed to bust their butts for them. They are in store for a whole bunch of business decisions. And they deserve it. I'm checking out until 2016
RE: JPP  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/29/2015 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12585321 AP in Halfmoon said:
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was terrible against the run? Where did you get that?


A lot of people don't like JPP. So they take the fact that he got beaten on some option reads to the extreme that he doesn't play the run well, when in reality he was a damn good edge-setter and strong in pursuit.
Right now, his value is in creating sacks and turnovers  
Ivan15 : 10/29/2015 1:28 pm : link
He is totally replaceable if he doesn't produce more pressure and sacks for himself or the rest of the defense.

I'm waiting for the Giants to unveil a new base 3-4 hybrid defense with JPP as the rush LB.

I'm a little surprised that some of the incentives aren't tied to the success of the defense.

I would like to see him get more than 10 sacks. I wouldn't care if the incentives allowed him to make the whole $14 million for half a season. If he is successful, the Giants will be in the playoffs, and, as we know, if the Giants get to the playoffs, they win it all every 4 years.
RE: Giants are cheap ass dicks....  
Jon in NYC : 10/29/2015 1:29 pm : link
In comment 12585329 WideRight said:
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They held a tender out that they don't live up to?

F'em. They will not win when they pull shit like that on players that are supposed to bust their butts for them. They are in store for a whole bunch of business decisions. And they deserve it. I'm checking out until 2016


bye.
Anyone who thinks JPP isn't a great run defender  
David in LA : 10/29/2015 1:32 pm : link
does not know what they're talking about. On the read option stuff, notice how our ends are playing it differently now? It's a coaching issue. Fewell didn't have a clue, Spags studied up on how to defend it.
RE: Giants are cheap ass dicks....  
jcn56 : 10/29/2015 1:36 pm : link
In comment 12585329 WideRight said:
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They held a tender out that they don't live up to?

F'em. They will not win when they pull shit like that on players that are supposed to bust their butts for them. They are in store for a whole bunch of business decisions. And they deserve it. I'm checking out until 2016


They'd have lived up to it, had a 10 fingered JPP shown up to sign the tender. He didn't, blew some fingers off, and here we are.
Strange comments continue  
KWALL2 : 10/29/2015 2:02 pm : link
1. Milton saying he wants JPP to play his ass off but not get sacks.
2. Guy saying JPP is a liability vs run.
3. WideRight - this may be the most ridiculous comment of 2015.
very much like the contract  
Steve in Greenwich : 10/29/2015 2:12 pm : link
but how long until the Giants are +/- 20 points in the 4th and JPP gets a sack and fans flip out about wasted money due to meaningless stat accumulation
Great job by the Giants here.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/29/2015 2:18 pm : link
Thought the base would be more than that.
It's pretty fair  
rdt288 : 10/29/2015 2:21 pm : link
-perform make money
Perform better make more money.

Welcome back Jason!
RE: Strange comments continue  
Mike in Philly : 10/29/2015 2:34 pm : link
In comment 12585461 KWALL2 said:
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3. WideRight - this may be the most ridiculous comment of 2015.

This...
Has anyone talked about the device  
Doomster : 10/29/2015 2:50 pm : link
he will have to wear on that hand? And will it be enough protection if someone runs over it?
RE: Sounds like a fair compromise  
AcidTest : 10/29/2015 3:02 pm : link
In comment 12584908 jcn56 said:
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If for some reason he just can't get on the field, he walks home with $1.5m.

If he's active, but isn't performing, he gets $3m.

If he hits his escalators, he makes half of what he had been targeted to make this year, for less than half the games. Not a bad deal.


Agreed. It's done. Let's hope he plays well.
RE: Has anyone talked about the device  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/29/2015 3:06 pm : link
In comment 12585561 Doomster said:
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he will have to wear on that hand? And will it be enough protection if someone runs over it?


Doesn't seem all that interesting
It's way too early for this but if JPP plays well...  
Torrag : 10/29/2015 3:07 pm : link
..we could slap the rare second year franchise tender on and simply pay the steep 'increase' with the cap savings from his botched contract this year. It's a moot point if he doesn't produce but could be a factor next season if he performs.
RE: Giants are cheap ass dicks....  
BigBlueShock : 10/29/2015 3:50 pm : link
In comment 12585329 WideRight said:
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They held a tender out that they don't live up to?

F'em. They will not win when they pull shit like that on players that are supposed to bust their butts for them. They are in store for a whole bunch of business decisions. And they deserve it. I'm checking out until 2016

I'm literally speechless after reading this. It seriously may be the dumbest thing I've ever read on BBI and that's no exaggeration. Holy crap.
What if he gets 10 sacks and plays in all the games?  
Doomster : 10/29/2015 4:20 pm : link
Contract Notes:
Will be paid his base salary for the 10 remaining weeks, but held on the exempt list until Week 10.
Per Game Active Bonus: $214,000 (7 LTBE)

Weekly Snaps Incentives: $3.85M max, LTBE
45%: $100,000
75%: $200,000
80%: $250,000
Sack Incentives (5.5 LTBE, $300,000)
$50,000 for his first sack (half or full)
$50,000 per sack, max $1M
7.5 sacks: $864,000 bonus
10 sack bonus: $5.7M
that ten sack bonus is not exactly correct  
ron mexico : 10/29/2015 4:28 pm : link
its 5.7mm less all the already received incentives bringing the total max contract value to 8.7mm

From what I am reading here,  
DonQuixote : 10/29/2015 4:44 pm : link
JPPs 4th of July cost him about $10 million dollars this year alone. If he hasn't done some growing up in the last few months, I'd be surprised.

The pendulum on this site can swing wildly from pessimism to optimism and back again. I will be really interested to see if the team actually does get healthy over the next few weeks, if they can legitimately get a solid winning record. As I see it, we lost some games we should have won and vice versa. We are not as good as the Cowboys fundamentally, but I think better than the Eagles. Odd thing to say given the past two weeks I suppose.
So if JPP doesnt play the run well (to get sack bonus) coaches sit him  
GloryDayz : 10/29/2015 4:55 pm : link
and he loses out on the snap count bonus... very smart structure.

Ensures JPP plays for the team, under the system, not just for his financial benefit.
Hope he plays great  
Marty866b : 10/29/2015 5:40 pm : link
I'll rooting for JPP to make the most he can. Really some ridiculous comments here. You guys do root for the Giants,don't you? Sometimes I can't tell.
Coughlin and Spags  
PaulN : 10/29/2015 5:45 pm : link
Have a much better chance of remaining here if JPP plays well. So all those saying it is awkward are just not understanding the big picture.

JPP's effectiveness is very much tied to Coughlin and Spag's chances of also being effective, which in turn effect's all of their chances at getting a new contract.

In my opinion, I think JPP will play well, he will be the best defensive player on the field for us once he starts to play, no doubt.

Plus the Giants want nothing more then to sign this kid long term. But they have played this very well. Not using the franchise tag on him was very smart because it guarantees if JPP is good, he is ours, what more could have any of us asked, if he stinks, which he won't, then who knows.
RE: Sounds like a fair compromise  
Disgruntled NYGfan : 10/29/2015 5:51 pm : link
In comment 12584908 jcn56 said:
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If for some reason he just can't get on the field, he walks home with $1.5m.

If he's active, but isn't performing, he gets $3m.

If he hits his escalators, he makes half of what he had been targeted to make this year, for less than half the games. Not a bad deal.


This is about as fair and reasonable as you could expect. Glad both sides were reasonable.
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