On Jerry Reese

Has another 15 years with this franchise in his future. My opinion. But I'd bet on it.

It seems to me that both Mara and and Reese have mentioned injuries and then followed up with, but that s no excuse.

I think they do believe it s an excuse, I don t. When the same guys get hurt every year shame on you for not being prepared.

When the guys backing them up are ineffective draft picks shame on you.

Defense is built with good linebackers Reese doesn't get that.

In comment 12598131 joeinpa said:

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It seems to me that both Mara and and Reese have mentioned injuries and then followed up with, but that s no excuse. I think they do believe it s an excuse, I don t. When the same guys get hurt every year shame on you for not being prepared. When the guys backing them up are ineffective draft picks shame on you. Defense is built with good linebackers Reese doesn't get that.

Not 4-3 defenses.

Oh, wait - no it isn't.


Of course, no one can ride past success forever. But unless you have a fantastic replacement lined up, you don't cap a multi-year rebuild by firing the GM who has won two Super Bowls in eight seasons.

I would have no issue seeing him let go.

... and I had TC and Eli and the coordinators where they are in their careers, I think I agree and would change the GM. There must be some way to transition toward the post TC/Eli era without tearing everything down.

If you include Pugh and Richburg, that is 6 stud players in 2 drafts.


Get over it

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Reese won with Accorsis guys... I would have no issue seeing him let go.

And Accorsi went to a Super Bowl with George Young's guys: Strahan, Barber, Toomer, Armstead, Sehorn, Hamilton, etc. Keeping the right players from a previous regime is crucial, and it's not always easy.

Reese has made some sh!tty personnel decisions; but he runs a solid organization, and he runs it the way the owners (who haven't fired a GM since 1979) want it run. He's not going anywhere.

are the best players on this team. Richburg Puhl, Flowers may turn into something but they are not there yet. The RB's are average. Our LB's possibly with the exception of Kennard are below average. Our TE's are below average and the DL's are average or below. And those are the starters. By the time you get to the depth it is pitiful. Who graded these players to be drafted or signed? With the exception of the four players listed above ( I haven't counted Cruz because he hasn't played in over a year and we don't know what he will be when he returns)there are a bunch of no names.Granted this team has lost a couple players like David Wilson and the DB whose name escapes me from a car accident but this team still struggles to put decent talent on it's roster.I certainly understand questioning Reese. I think they tend to overate players.

In comment 12598144 George from PA said:

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If you include Pugh and Richburg, that is 6 stud players in 2 drafts. Get over it

odell is the only star

get over it

with kid gloves,must be some kind of giant bias.

But no sense in talking about it, Reese isn't going anywhere.

In comment 12598173 Tittle 9 20 64 said:

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But no sense in talking about it, Reese isn't going anywhere.

miracles do happen

In comment 12598173 Tittle 9 20 64 said:

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But no sense in talking about it, Reese isn't going anywhere.

This. People constantly prescriber top tier status to players who they think are great but never seem to make it to even the pro bowl.

JPP looked like a future star and then has been good to very good but not a star. OBJ is one. After that he's had 9 years. Had some good picks but lots of really shitty ones. Sure he's not the only GM to miss but when you suck ass in FA in general and for almost all of his tenure be right up against the cap how he keeps his job is that Marta and Tiche pride themselves more on stability than success.

That 2nd improbable SB run and win guaranteed him a lifetime pass. Or the equivalent in the NFL. He's going to get the next draft and a ton of cap $$$ to spend this offseason. He may pull it out due too the cap bucks but this defense looks to be in need of about 5-7 new starters. How any of his biggest fans keep giving him a pass is just perplexing. Not to mention two of the guys people are counting on to come back and pull this D from horrible to just crappy in JPP and Prince are FAs next year. That leaves Hankins and an aging DRC the only proven legit NFL starters coming back for sure. And Spags is at fault? Talk about a shit sandwich.

I'm on my phone and the difference between the BBI unblocked and the BBI is see on my Chrome, goes from a sewer to a fun site.

1. False expectations...
A. The league is designed to create parity, the labor contract and free agency contribute and the competition has never been as intense.
B. Pitts is down right now but you don't hear them calling for the GM"s head or the Head coaches. They are the only team that has two superbowls and a comparable QB, they are down now because the league virtually demands parity.
C. The Packers have a better QB, a fine head coach, a great GM, they have won only one superbowl and that against rather pedestrian opposition. But no one calls for their GM's head. New Orleans, Denver/Balt Colts, The Ravens....ONE superbowl.

2. JR has never had a no.1 pick fail. That's an accomplishment. Accorsi had several fail including Dwayne , the one eyed defense end, the safety and several others. JR should get kudos for this and when he's rapped it's about fourth rounders who don't make it but the fact is ...few do.

3. Injuries do matter. And we've been cursed like few teams. Last year we lost Hill and Wilson BEFORE the season started, this year we lost Beatty and JPP BEFORE the season started. That's almost bizarre and no team overcomes what we've had to face.

4. You have to pay your QB and the minute you do your roster suffers. Lombardi, Landry, Paul Brown, Bill Walsch never had to work with a cap.

5. A few years ago four teams went to the playoffs with rookie QB's (I"m counting Kapernick). It would have been impossible to find four starting QB's just a few years earlier. That strange almost aberrant behavior points out how the cap and the labor agreement have changed the game but not your expectations.

6. The Two superbowls are disregarded...Lip service is paid but there's always a "but". There has never been better more exciting games and we won both times. 2 in some 8 years and you want one every year. Well it's simply not going to happen and NE remains the exception.

7. The Pre Plax shooting incident team was destroying people, had something like a 24-2 record (counting playoff games) adn was crusing to a superbowl. That was the best team of modern times and I don't think it's close.

CONCLUSION
Fans are result only orientated, we don't know what really goes on. I suspect that JR is detail orientated, hard working and makes the right decisions. We don't understand that a third and long call might have been exactly right, that every tendency chart, that ever move on the field was perfect AND THAT IT DIDN'T WORK. Our conclusion is "bad freaken call". Well the level of competion is so intense today, the quality of athlete so high, the geniuses all work 24/7 that no one is ever going to dominate again.
I love JR , I love TC I hope they are here for a few more years and I am thankful for the wonderful years they've given us and I am convinved we will see more of them.

WTF are we doing now? Getting by. I can understand the culpability of Reese, but where are our coaches in this? Last time I looked TC was in the stands in Indianapolis with a stop watch. Don't be so quick to lay it all on Reese and the scouting organization, as I find it really hard to believe that our coaches do not have some say in who we draft.

in better cap shape than ever heading into the off-season this year.So that is a function of his work,this year will be the key year in the rebuilding.The focus should be on adding some quality defensive players,while filling in spots on the O. Opposite of what we had to do the last couple years,only now we have more room to make moves.

thank you

does Reese deserve criticism.. certainly... however to say he won because of Accorsi is not entirely correct. In 2007 Reese almost every draft pick and some FA acquisition were key contributors to a Superbowl win.

He deserves some criticism for the poor drafting especially in 2009-2011.. Also his FA were questionable. This is why we dont have dependable depth now.

However he won a Superbowl in 2011 and that was again with several key picks and FA acquistions.. namely Nicks, Cruz, JPP, Manningham...

The draft isnt about acquiring big name stars.. The draft is about filling out your rosters with quality players. The Giants have begun in recent years to turn it around..

People like to complain about rounds 4-7 but if you look around the league you find that most teams dont hit every year in rounds 4-7..

Reese needs to do a MUCH better job in Free Agency.. finding a way to retain quality players.. and not getting players that dont like up to the contract they signed...

They also have to use the later rounds less for project players who they HOPE develop.. because in all honesty the Giants dont develop players all that well and use those rounds for players that can help in specific ways immediately..

Those saying Reese sucks, did you complain that he overpaid Vereen and Harris??? How do those two signings look now? You probably also said Newhouse was Charles Brown part 2. Newhouse was signed as depth and had to become a starter due to freak injury, and is not the reason they have lost four games. By the way, I see Charles Brown is part of the vaunted Dallas O-Line now as a reserve. The Giants also picked Flowers - which looks to be a good decision right now.

We have fools on this board who think everything revolves around the O-Line. Look at Dallas - best O-line in the league and they are 0-5 without their star QB. Kind of proves Reese and the Giants management right that you pick stud playmakers over stud O-lineman doesn't it???

In comment 12598141 Chip said:

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I would have no issue seeing him let go.

I keep on hearing this.


Why couldn't Accorsi win with his guys?

Matter of fact,his tenure as GM was in my opinion,terrible.

Yes we had players Accorsi drafted (Tuck,Osi,Eli) But let's not act like Accorsi was a great GM for us. Don't forget Moss,Ron Dayne,Dixion,William Joseph for Christ sakes.

A few other points:
Reese was head of the scouting dept,so he had more than a say in who we picked.
The 2007 draft had as much to do with that SB run as a any draft previously.

fixate with trying to get people to lose their jobs?

Hell, if Ozzie Newsome was here and we have the same amount of SB wins from 2000 to now as the Ravens, people would probably be going apocolyptic here trying to have him gone, too.

either Reese/TC. But I do have one complaint with Reese.

His reliance of signing and drafting guys with injury histories, and then hanging onto them.

I know this an unpopular opinion but Id let Beason, Prince, Cruz, Schwartz (if the cap hit isnt big), Randle go since they are always banged up. Keeping them and seeing them godown, even if its for 2-3 games, really hurts the team.

Then Id let guys like Jenkins, Hosley, Newhouse, Jerry, and a few others go just based on age/performance. I want to see what they have in Bromley, Hart, Jackson (god willing he can stay healthy). I want them to be aggressive in FA spending. A few more drafts and we can turn back into a playoff contender.

But the reliance on oft injured players is just very frustrating.

From Accorsi's vanglorius tenure (as both Assiistant GM and finally GM)

Cedric Jones (lmao)
Thomas Lewis
Joe Montgomery
Tim Carter

And those are just 1st and 2nd rd guys

Say what you want about Reese,Jays stop,acting like Accorsi was some all world GM.

TC plays Andre Williams, Preston Parker and Rueben Randle.

you can lead a horse to water...

In comment 12598196 grizz299 said:

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2. JR has never had a no.1 pick fail. That's an accomplishment. Accorsi had several fail including Dwayne , the one eyed defense end, the safety and several others. JR should get kudos for this and when he's rapped it's about fourth rounders who don't make it but the fact is ...few do.

Aaron Ross was a failure
David Wilson was an epic failure. Did nothing in rookie year and most of year 2. Tragic he got hurt but that pick is a failure based on health, production and luck.

is a 2 time SB winner who played 8 years after being drafted as a 25 year old.

That isn't a failure.

player on 2 title teams. Not an All Pro by any means, but a good, solid defender. Good tackler, good hands.

but I still can't condone firing Reese. As BB56 just posted he has endured an alarming number of career ending/altering injuries to top draft picks. Alot of the picks were on the verge of being great players only to have their careers changed or ended by serious injuries. This team would be a perennial contender if players like Nicks, Phillips, Thomas, Manningham, Steve Smith,Kevin Boss, David Wilson, Chad Jones, etc didn't get injured. Has he made some bad picks? He sure has but no more than any other GM. Just look at Baltimore for a reference. Hall of fame GM Ozzie Newsome has made some very poor selections over the past couple of years.

I hate to say it but this team needs a coaching change. Coughlin should have let go of OL coach Pat Flaherty years ago. Some how he has evaded criticism despite the fact that he has done a very poor job developing OL since Diehl and Snee. The only OL he has developed since has been Will Beatty. Now we have seen many mid to late round OL drafted who haven't been more than backups. Reese gets a lot of heat for this and some rightfully so but Flaherty deserves much of the blame as he hasn't turned any of the picks into solid starters.

In comment 12598139 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Oh, wait - no it isn't. Of course, no one can ride past success forever. But unless you have a fantastic replacement lined up, you don't cap a multi-year rebuild by firing the GM who has won two Super Bowls in eight seasons.

But he doesn't get credit for both of those teams rosters as GM. Its a different game.

Accorssi-Reese > Reese-Ross

But the injuries have been so bad that it becomes almost impossible to evaluate him fairly. It's true, whether you or I like that or not. And I am frustrated right now with this shit defense, believe me.

you constantly have to spend picks on the same positions to replace them.

They haven't had the picks to make the team any deeper. They're treading water.

Injuries have ruined the Giants over the last 8 years or so. That 2008 team looked to be a dynamo, then the injury bug and the Eagles happened, have to give them bastards their do, they are focused on us and us alone and have done well against us, doesn't seem to matter that they win nothing to them.

If you are honest, and now that it is Tuesday and tempers are down, now is a good time, you truly evaluate everything that has happened and everything that Reese has done, and if you don't come to the conclusion that had we not been hit so bad that the guy actually has done a great job, then you are just refusing to be honest.

Now if you refuse to look at injuries and just want to say that is only an excuse, then fine. But if you sign a guy to a contract that is supposed to carry you with that player for 3 years, and he is hurt by the first year, or the start of the second year, then you are in a pickle, and even though it may not be a great solution, but the solution in many cases is get what you can for the three years, then move on.

I will admit that Reese may have jumped the gun with Beason, but he made such a difference that you can understand him jumping at him. Scwartz, look what happened to us with Thurmond last year, now he is playing with the Eagles and everything is fine.

Can we blame Reese for Beatty, for JPP? Can we knock him for Prince, tell me what you would have done, here is a guy we need on the field, he is a good player, not great, but good. He gets injured every year, but not devastating injuries, he is still on his rookie contract anyway, he was hailed for drafting him when he did.

What about Will Hill, he brings in the troubled player as a free agent walk on, The kid shows he can play the game, but fails the drug test year after year, finally after the third strike he releases him. Reese gets killed by some for that! What should he do, is it his fault that this guy fails the drug test, how did Reese handle it badly?

Was it Reese who shot Plax in the leg, and don't tell me that with Plax we lose anyway, that we don't know, and we would have beaten the Eagles at home in that playoff game had we had Plax. The who knows, would we have had 3 rings? What did Reese do wrong in that situation?

Like I said, I am no Reese lover, but when you are honest, evaluate the situation, write it down, go through it carefully, it sticks out like a sore thumb, we have had crippling injuries that have ruined the great years we have had Eli Manning, and by ruined I am making the assumption that we would have had a lot more success then we have had, and we have had good success over the Eli years.

If this team can't find out why the Giants are so injury prone and non contact injury prone we are in for a VERY VERY long rebuild.

I can see what is happening, TC says he has no players, Reese blames injuries.

And we fans get a shit product.

In comment 12598153 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Chip said: Quote: Reese won with Accorsis guys... I would have no issue seeing him let go. And Accorsi went to a Super Bowl with George Young's guys: Strahan, Barber, Toomer, Armstead, Sehorn, Hamilton, etc. Keeping the right players from a previous regime is crucial, and it's not always easy. Reese has made some sh!tty personnel decisions; but he runs a solid organization, and he runs it the way the owners (who haven't fired a GM since 1979) want it run. He's not going anywhere.

Sounds like a recipe for a repeat of the 1970s. Why isn't there accountability in the front office for their poor performance? As a Red Sox fan I would point out that the Red Sox replaced Ben Cherrington, two years removed from winning a World Series. Of course, Cherrington wasted a hell of a lot of John Henry's money.

In comment 12598690 Big Blue '56 said:

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Quote: Counterpoint PaulBlakeTSU : 10:48 am : link : reply 2008 Round 1: Kenny Phillips- career over to knee injury Round 2: Terrell Thomas- career over to knee injury Round 3: Mario Manningham- career ruined to knee injury 2009 Round 1: Hakeem Nicks- career ruined to foot/ankle injuries Round 2: Clint Sintim- career ruined by two ACL tears before 3rd season, before getting a chance to develop or be used as a pass-rusher Round 2: Will Beatty- solid starter Round 3: Rames Barden (nope) 2010 Round 1: JPP (looked like perennial All-Pro, now injury plagued back/shoulder, great run-stuffer Round 2: Linval Joseph- played so well we couldn't afford him Round 3: Chad Jones- career over before it started due to car crash. 2011 Round 1: Prince Amukamara- solid player, foot/biceps injuries Round 2: Marvin Austin- bust, but did tear pec and lost a season Round 3: Jerrell Jernigan- non-factor, but also on IR 2012 Round 1: David Wilson- career ruined to neck injury Round 2: Rueben Randle- hasn't elevated game to next level yet, but not a total flame out. Round 3: Jayron Hosely- bad player 2013: Round 1: Justin Pugh (great rookie season, possibly out of position) Round 2: Jonathan Hankins - looks to be a future anchor Round 3: DaMontre Moore- some flashes, but doesn't play much yet 2014: Round 1: Odell Beckham (looks to be a stud), already missed time to injury Round 2: Weston Richburg- playing out of position Round 3: Jay Bromley (TBD) So how much of this complete lack of talent on the roster is due to Reese's poor drafting, and how much is it actually due to an incomprehensible amount of career-ending or career-altering injuries which required the Giants to constantly replace the same holes? Trying to constantly replace these losses are more expensive through free agency and require sacrificing using

This list is somewhat disingenuous. Blaming injuries for Clint Sintim's failures is garbage. He was a square peg in a round hole from the begining who had no instincts to play LB in a 4-3 defense and should never have been a pick.

The list also forgets that a third round pick was wasted on Travis Beckam another flop that year. Again another player whose skill set did not fit our team

Claiming we could not afford Linval Joseph is bullshit. He got a reasonable offer from the Vikings. Reese chose to throw that money at resigning Beason. Bad decision.

The 2011-2012 drafts were a disaster. Other than Amukamara we got shit. Who knows what could have been with Wilson but even if he was a "good" player, those two drafts would still be killing us.

The 2013 draft is not looking great either. Pugh and Hankins were solid picks. No complaints here. However, does anyone really still want to argue Moore was a good pick? If so you were probably waiting for the Great Pumpkin to. Nassib in the fourth round was a luxury pick. The team obviously had an exaggerated sense of its talent base that it could waste a 4th round pick on a back up QB when it had so many more pressing needs. The China doll Taylor and Eric Herman are also now gone.

2014 and 2015 drafts get an INC

In comment 12598954 Reb8thVA said:

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In comment 12598690 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Quote: Counterpoint PaulBlakeTSU : 10:48 am : link : reply 2008 Round 1: Kenny Phillips- career over to knee injury Round 2: Terrell Thomas- career over to knee injury Round 3: Mario Manningham- career ruined to knee injury 2009 Round 1: Hakeem Nicks- career ruined to foot/ankle injuries Round 2: Clint Sintim- career ruined by two ACL tears before 3rd season, before getting a chance to develop or be used as a pass-rusher Round 2: Will Beatty- solid starter Round 3: Rames Barden (nope) 2010 Round 1: JPP (looked like perennial All-Pro, now injury plagued back/shoulder, great run-stuffer Round 2: Linval Joseph- played so well we couldn't afford him Round 3: Chad Jones- career over before it started due to car crash. 2011 Round 1: Prince Amukamara- solid player, foot/biceps injuries Round 2: Marvin Austin- bust, but did tear pec and lost a season Round 3: Jerrell Jernigan- non-factor, but also on IR 2012 Round 1: David Wilson- career ruined to neck injury Round 2: Rueben Randle- hasn't elevated game to next level yet, but not a total flame out. Round 3: Jayron Hosely- bad player 2013: Round 1: Justin Pugh (great rookie season, possibly out of position) Round 2: Jonathan Hankins - looks to be a future anchor Round 3: DaMontre Moore- some flashes, but doesn't play much yet 2014: Round 1: Odell Beckham (looks to be a stud), already missed time to injury Round 2: Weston Richburg- playing out of position Round 3: Jay Bromley (TBD) So how much of this complete lack of talent on the roster is due to Reese's poor drafting, and how much is it actually due to an incomprehensible amount of career-ending or career-altering injuries which required the Giants to constantly replace the same holes? Trying to constantly replace these losses are more expensive through free agency and require sacrificing using This list is somewhat disingenuous. Blaming injuries for Clint Sintim's failures is garbage. He was a square peg in a round hole from the begining who had no instincts to play LB in a 4-3 defense and should never have been a pick. The list also forgets that a third round pick was wasted on Travis Beckam another flop that year. Again another player whose skill set did not fit our team Claiming we could not afford Linval Joseph is bullshit. He got a reasonable offer from the Vikings. Reese chose to throw that money at resigning Beason. Bad decision. The 2011-2012 drafts were a disaster. Other than Amukamara we got shit. Who knows what could have been with Wilson but even if he was a "good" player, those two drafts would still be killing us. The 2013 draft is not looking great either. Pugh and Hankins were solid picks. No complaints here. However, does anyone really still want to argue Moore was a good pick? If so you were probably waiting for the Great Pumpkin to. Nassib in the fourth round was a luxury pick. The team obviously had an exaggerated sense of its talent base that it could waste a 4th round pick on a back up QB when it had so many more pressing needs. The China doll Taylor and Eric Herman are also now gone. 2014 and 2015 drafts get an INC

good post

I think you need to look at the direction the team is taking. Trending upward or downward. You evaluate drafts and the ability to fill holes during the off-season. I think the drafts are starting to trend upward after a few years of horrible, horrible drafting.

JPP, Kennard, Hankins, Collins, Flowers, Beckham - Trending upwards.

Off-season acquisitions. I give him C in this dept. He's trying with limited cap space but have any of his acquisitions helped the team or just plugged holes with bodies....

Ultimately my grade on him is hovering between a D+ & C. In large part due to the drafting in the mid to late rounds. Either he hasn't retooled his scouts or the judgement is off because every year we don't find anything from rounds 5-7 outside of the 2007 draft. And the picks in rounds 3,4 have been iffy as well. Rounds 1 & 2 can be picked by anyone of us.

In comment 12598141 Chip said:

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I would have no issue seeing him let go.

So, if I guy won with "other people's guys" (which is a debatable assertion anyway) wouldn't you at least give a guy who won two Super Bowls a chance to pick his own coach and QB?

I'm not the biggest Jerry Reese fan in the world, but it's easy to understand how he keeps his job. Despite never having the opportunity to pick his coach to fit his vision,

2008

Round 1: Kenny Phillips- career over to knee injury

Round 2: Terrell Thomas- career over to knee injury

Round 3: Mario Manningham- career ruined to knee injury

2009

Round 1: Hakeem Nicks- career ruined to foot/ankle injuries

Round 2: Clint Sintim- career ruined by two ACL tears before 3rd season, before getting a chance to develop or be used as a pass-rusher

Round 2: Will Beatty, developed now injured

Round 3: Rames Barden (nope)

2010

Round 1: JPP (home run pic, then injured, now missing part of his hand due to fireworks)

Round 2: Linval Joseph (played well, let go for $)

Round 3: Chad Jones- career over before it started due to car crash.

2011

Round 1: Prince Amukamara- solid player, oft-injured

Round 2: Marvin Austin- bust, but did tear pec and lost a season

Round 3: Jerrell Jernigan- bad player

2012

Round 1: David Wilson- career ruined to neck injury

Round 2: Rueben Randle (hasn't elevated game to next level yet, injured this year)

Round 3: Jayron Hosely- bad player

2013:

Round 1: Justin Pugh (great rookie season, possibly out of position, doing a solid job)

Round 2: Jonathan Hankins (playing well without help)

Round 3: DaMontre Moore (million dollar / ten cent)

2014:

Round 1: Odell Beckham (absolute home run)

Round 2: Weston Richburg (our best O-lineman right now)

Round 3: Jay Bromley: hasn't shown much, gets in backfield more often than most on team

2015:
Round 1: Ereck Flowers: learning curve, but showing flashes

Round 2: Landon Collins: playing out of position but showing flashes in an impossible situation a team with no pass rush whatsoever

Round 3: Owa: still injured.


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Of course the cupboard is bare. Reese's draft picks have been absolutely ravaged by injuries at an incomprehensible level. He has overlooked certain positions, but when you keep losing players at the same position, you will always have more holes to fill than plugs to fill them.

If my memory serves, the Giants have the two highest rates of Football Outsiders' Adjusted Games Lost to Injury for 2013 and 2014.

At some point, it's time to look elsewhere to explain the attrition of personnel.

Here are picks that the NY Giants have passed on over the years to draft "better" players- (may not be complete)

2014-#12- Odell Beckham

2013- #19- Is there a better 1st rounder after Pugh, nobody stands out
Later rounds- LaVeon Bell, Jon Bostic, Montee Ball, Eddie Lacy, DJ Swearinger

2012- #32 - David Wilson- so 2nd round- Bobby Wagner, Mike Adams
Later rounds- Russell Wilson, Bernard Pierce, Nick Foles, TY Hilton, Robbert Turbin

2011- #19- Is there a better 1st rounder after Amukamara, nobody stands out
Later rounds- Andy Dalton, Bruce Carter, Shane Vereen, Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb

2010- #15- JPP- Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, Demarius Thomas, Bryan Bulaga, Dez Bryant
Later rounds- Demarco Murray, Cecil Shorts, Kendall Hunter, Julius Thomas

2009- #29-Is there a better 1st rounder after Nicks, nobody stands out
Later rounds- LaSewan McCoy, Mike Wallace, Jared Cook

2008-#31- Kenny Phillips, so second round- Brandon Flowers, Jordy Nelson, Matt Forte, Desean Jackson, Ray Rice, Martellus Bennett
Later rounds- Jamaal Charles, Earl Bennett, Dan Conner, Antwaun Molden, Jermichael Finley, Cliff Avril

2007- #20- Aaron Ross- Anthony Spencer, Dwayne Bowe, Jon Beason, Joe Staley, Greg Olsen
Later rounds- Paul Posluszny

2006- #32- Mathias Kiwanuka- so into the 2nd round- Roman Harper, Greg Jennings, Maurice Jones-Drew
Later rounds- Owen Daniels, Elvis Dumervil, Willie Colon

2005- NP- on to the 2nd round- #43- Corey Webster- Lofa Tatupu, Jonathan Babineaux
Later rounds- Frank Gore

2004- #4- Eli Manning- Philip Rivers, Sean Taylor, Jonathan Vilma, Vince Wilfork, Steven Jackson, DeAngelo Hall, Ben Roethlisberger, Steven Jackson
Later rounds- No one stands out

2003- #25- William Joseph- Larry Johnson, Nick Barnett
Later rounds- Charles Tillman, Ken Hamilton, Anquan Boldin

2002- #14- Jeremy Shockey- Ed Reed, Marc Colombo
Later rounds- Clinton Portis, Deion Branch, Brian Westbrook, Larry Foote

2001- #22- Will Allen- Reggie Wayne, Todd Heap, Deuce McAllister
Later rounds- Drew Brees, Chad Johnson, Kendrell Bell, Maurice Williams, Mike Gandy

2000- #11- Ron Dayne- Shaun Ellis, Sebastian Janikowski, Keith Bulluck, John Abraham, Shaun Alexander
Later rounds- Reuben Droughns

1999- #19- Luke Petitgout- no one stands out afterwards
Later rounds- Dre’ Bly, Marin Gramatica, Brandon Stokley

1998- #24- Shaun Williams- Alan Faneca, RW McQuarters
Later rounds- Flozell Adams, Jeremy Newberry, Leonard Little, Jeremiah Trotter, Mike Goff, Hines Ward

1997-#7- Ike Hilliard- James Farrior, Tony Gonzalaz, Warrick Dunn, Trevor Pryce, Ross Verba
Later rounds- Darren Sharper, Ronde Barber, Duce Staley

1996- #5- Cedric Jones- Willie Anderson, Terry Glenn, Marvin Harrison, Ray Lewis, Eddie George
Later rounds- Mike Alstott, Lawyer Milloy, Randall Godfrey, Brian Dawkins

1995- #17- Tyrone Wheatley- James Stewart, Ty Law, Derrick Brooks
Later rounds-Curtis Martin, Antonio Freeman

1994- #24- Thomas Lewis- Henry Ford, William Floyd
Later rounds- Iasaac Bruce, Kevin Mawae, Larry Allen, Jim Flanigan


1993-No pick #40 - Michael Strahan!!
Later rounds- Natron Means, Gilbert Brown, John Lynch, Lorenzo Neal

1992- #14- Derek Brown- Chester McGlockton, Dana Hall, Robert Porcher, Robert Jones, Chris Mimms, Alonzo Spellman
Later rounds- Carl Pickens, Marquez Pope, Darren Woodson, Levon Kirkland, Eddie Robinson, Joel Steed, Brian Bollinger,

1991- #27- Jarrod Bunch - 2nd round- Brett Favre, Ricky Watters
Later rounds- Aeneas Williams, Mo Lewis, Jake Reed, Bryan Cox

1990- #24- Rodney Hampton- 2nd round- nobody stands out
Later rounds- Leroy Butler, Eric Davis

1989- #18- Brian Williams- Andre Rison, Steve Atwater
Later rounds- Steve Wisniewski, Carnell Lake, Daryl Johnston, Mark Stepnoski, Mike Utley, Ray Crockett,

1988- #10- Eric Moore- Michael Irvin, Randall McDaniel, Lorenzo White, Craig Heyward
Later rounds- Chris Spielman, eric Allen, Thurman Thomas, Demonti Dawson, Fred Strickland, Dante Jones, Bill Romanowski

1987- #28- Mark Ingram- 2nd round- Nate Odomes, Christian Okoye
Later rounds- Hardy Nickerson, Danny Vila, Spencer Tillman

1986- #19- Eric Dorsey- nobody stands out afterward
Later rounds- Webster Slaughter, Tom Rathman, Pat Swilling

1985- #19- George Adams- William Perry- 2nd round- Randall Cunningham
Later rounds- Kirk Lowdermilk, Jack Del Rio, Andre Reed, Herschel Walker

1984- #3- Carl Banks!! - Wilbur Marshall
Later rounds- Guy Mcintyre,

1983- #10- Terry Kinard- Jim Kelly, Willie Gault, Dan Mario, Darrell Green
Later rounds- Darryl Talley, Rich Strenger, Keith Bostic, Roger Craig, Dave Duerson, Greg Townsend

1982- #18- Butch Woolfolk- Mike Quick
Later rounds- Bubba Paris, Andre Tippett, Mark Duper,

1981- #2- LT!!- Ronnie Lott
Later rounds- Mike Singletary, Howie Long, Russ Grimm,

1980- #8- Mark Haynes- Art Monk, Jim Ritcher
Later rounds- ?

1979- #7- Phil Simms!!- Otis Anderson, Kellen Winslow
Later rounds- Mark Gastineau, Bob Golic, Joe Montana

1978- #10- Gordon King- Clay Matthews, John Jefferson, Ron Johnson, Ozzie Newsome
Later rounds- Keith Butler, Mike Renfro

1977- #5 Gary Jeter- Morris Towns
Later rounds- Bob Baumhower,

1976- #13- Troy Archer- Ken Novak
Later rounds- Steve Myer

1975- No pick - 2nd round #27 Al Simpson- Fred Dean, Freddie Solomon
Later rounds-

1974- #3- John Hicks- John Dutton, Ed O’Neil, Randy Gradishar, Lynn Swann
Later rounds- Dave Casper, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, Mike Webster


1973- No pick- #40- Brad Van Pelt- Willie Harper, Jim Youngblood, Golden Richards
Later rounds- Harvey Martin, Terry Metcalf, Dan Fouts, Paul Krause,


1972- #17- Eldridge Small- Mike Kadish
Later rounds - Reggie McKenzie, Robert Newhouse, Reggie McKenzie, Cliff Branch, Conrad Dobler

1971- #18- Rocky Thompson- Jack Youngblood, Jack Tatum
Later rounds- Jack Ham, Dan Dierdorf, Phil Villapiano, Lyle Alzado, Joe Theismann, Dwight White, Mel Holmes, Harold Carmichael

1970- #13- Jim Files- Doug Wilkerson, Jack Reynolds, Duane Thomas, Raymond Chester
Later rounds- Mel Blount, Charlie Waters,

1969- #13- Fred Dryer- Calvin Hill
Later rounds- Bill Bergy, Bob Heinz, Jim Yarbrough, Richmond Flowers, Ted Hendricks, Mercury Morris, Bob Kuechenberg, Charlie Joiner,

1968- No pick- #41- Rich Buzin- Ken Stabler
Later rounds- Gary Davis, Dick Anderson, Charlie Sanders, Art Shell, Elvin Bethea, Jim Kiick

1967- No Pick till 4th round- #82- Louis Thompson
Later rounds- Dickie Post, Ed Philpott, Zeke Moore


1966- #6- Francis Peay- Tom Mack, John Niland, Charlie Gogolak
Later rounds-

1965- #1- Tucker Fredrickson- Dick Butkus, Gale Sayers, Mike Curtis, Jack Snow
Later rounds- Ed Flanagan, Jethro Pugh

1964- #13- Joe Don Looney-
Later rounds- Paul Krause, Mel Renfro, Wally Hilgenberg, Bob Hayes, Leroy Kelly, Roger Staubach, Dick Leeuwenburg, Bob Brown, Ed Beard, Bill Curry

1963- No pick- #5 2nd round Frank Lasky- John Mackey, Ray Mansfield
Later rounds- Lionel Aldridge

1962- #4- Jerry Hillenbrand- Merlin Olsen, Roman Gabriel
Later rounds- Ed O’Bradovich

1961- No Pick- #1 2nd round- Bruce Tarbox
Later rounds- Fran Tarkenton, Dick Hoak, Elijah Pitts, Deacon Jones

1960- #1- Lou Cordileone-
Later rounds- Jim Marshall, Willie West, Grady Alderman

In comment 12599363 kinard said:

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In comment 12598141 Chip said: Quote: I would have no issue seeing him let go. So, if I guy won with "other people's guys" (which is a debatable assertion anyway) wouldn't you at least give a guy who won two Super Bowls a chance to pick his own coach and QB?

This is oft repeated here and to be polite is just silly. How many teams struggle to find a top tier QB and flounder for decades. Why does he get a lifetime scholarship. He had to do was build an OL 4and he ignored it for 6 years. Now since he has to over invest there shockingly the D is now thin.

His job is also to manage the cap as well which he's done a shit job Draft looks A+ every year for his fans he and two years later it looks much less. He isn't a horrible GM but this teams issues can be laid on his doorstop. Being given a franchise QB and a top tier coach should be looked at as a great thing to work w.

And how many years and QBs does he get to have. He just re did Eli. So now he gets another 5 years? Ive wanted him and his draft/FA philology gone years ago. Shitty cap mangememt. As many misses as hits(more misses IMO) in FA and his spotty drafts. No thanks

I mean, with many of us mocking DL, few mentioned his name due to the well vetted injury risk.

Of course, on draft day, we all politely assumed that the staff doctors and scouts knew better than we.

Similarly, picks like Sintim, Moore, Tracy, and even RB Wilson, which seemed like obvious mistakes on their respective draft days, and we, being polite, optimistic and respectful, thinking that they know something we don't know.

But, if Odiggy turns out to be an injury, and there having been other DLers, even other well reputed 3/4 DE/DT tweeners, on the boards at that slot...I dunno guys.