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Referee admits he screwed us in 2003....SF vrs NYG

WeekendLife56 : 11/6/2015 10:53 am
Love reading this in light of the facemask nonsense and the no call in Dallas and countless other occasions. ......
Loser ref.. - ( New Window )
not exactly earthshattering  
YAJ2112 : 11/6/2015 11:05 am : link
considering the league admitted the call was blown the next day.
great piece  
Vanzetti : 11/6/2015 11:06 am : link
by Scott Green
I look at it this way, if we win that game  
Eli2Plax1017 : 11/6/2015 11:09 am : link
do we go 4-12 the next year? do get Elisha? thank you Scott Green
Isn't he still wrong about this?  
Pete in MD : 11/6/2015 11:12 am : link
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In 2003, as the back judge for the San Francisco 49ers–New York Giants Wild Card game, I missed a key pass interference call. It would have offset another penalty and given the Giants one more play to possibly win the game.
If I remember correctly, the penalty on the Giants was illegal man downfield, which was also incorrectly called on Rich Seubert since he was an eligible receiver. Am I remembering it wrong?
The Giants lost that game, sure, but in a vacuum  
j_rud : 11/6/2015 11:14 am : link
the non-call on the fumble in Green Bay in the NFCCG was a much worse call. There was a lot going on in the scramble after the botched snap. It was a rare situation and it's not surprising a mistake was made. But to have the benefit of replay, use it, see the knee wasn't down the same way all of America saw it...and still rule no fumble? Only time in my life I've truly wondered if the fix was in...
The penalty was..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/6/2015 11:15 am : link
for illegal man downfield, but it wasn't on Seubert (Ian Allen, maybe)- it was on a different lineman. Seubert reported as being eligible.

Green said pass interference wasn't called because the foul happened on the illegal man downfield. They realized immediately after the game it was a mistake.

What is ironic is that if they didn't call a foul because the thinking that the player was ineligible, why did they call a facemask last week on a play that was technically supposed to be dead? We get screwed every which way - especially on Sundays!
RE: Isn't he still wrong about this?  
j_rud : 11/6/2015 11:15 am : link
In comment 12604693 Pete in MD said:
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In 2003, as the back judge for the San Francisco 49ers–New York Giants Wild Card game, I missed a key pass interference call. It would have offset another penalty and given the Giants one more play to possibly win the game.

If I remember correctly, the penalty on the Giants was illegal man downfield, which was also incorrectly called on Rich Seubert since he was an eligible receiver. Am I remembering it wrong?
no, you've got it. Seubert reported as eligible.
RE: The Giants lost that game, sure, but in a vacuum  
BronxBombers : 11/6/2015 11:16 am : link
In comment 12604704 j_rud said:
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the non-call on the fumble in Green Bay in the NFCCG was a much worse call. There was a lot going on in the scramble after the botched snap. It was a rare situation and it's not surprising a mistake was made. But to have the benefit of replay, use it, see the knee wasn't down the same way all of America saw it...and still rule no fumble? Only time in my life I've truly wondered if the fix was in...



I vaguely remember this, anyone have a pic or vid of this?
I will never forget Collinsworth in that game  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/6/2015 11:17 am : link
That's why I can't stand him to this day. He was ripping the Giants after the debacle and clearly didn't know the rules.
RE: The penalty was..  
j_rud : 11/6/2015 11:18 am : link
In comment 12604706 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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What is ironic is that if they didn't call a foul because the thinking that the player was ineligible, why did they call a facemask last week on a play that was technically supposed to be dead? We get screwed every which way - especially on Sundays!


That's what killed me. The play was over as soon as NO recovered the fumble. How do you call that penalty during a dead ball? Argh...this one is still lingering. Sunday can't come fast enough...
RE: The Giants lost that game, sure, but in a vacuum  
bradshaw44 : 11/6/2015 11:18 am : link
In comment 12604704 j_rud said:
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the non-call on the fumble in Green Bay in the NFCCG was a much worse call. There was a lot going on in the scramble after the botched snap. It was a rare situation and it's not surprising a mistake was made. But to have the benefit of replay, use it, see the knee wasn't down the same way all of America saw it...and still rule no fumble? Only time in my life I've truly wondered if the fix was in...


Yup. I truly felt the fix was in to get the Packers back to the Super Bowl. That call made no sense. Clear as day fumble. Conclusive.
yeah  
giantfan2000 : 11/6/2015 11:19 am : link
it would not have been offset penalties
it was the wrong call
we would have gotten the ball on the 1 yard line

RE: RE: The Giants lost that game, sure, but in a vacuum  
j_rud : 11/6/2015 11:20 am : link
In comment 12604709 BronxBombers said:
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In comment 12604704 j_rud said:


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the non-call on the fumble in Green Bay in the NFCCG was a much worse call. There was a lot going on in the scramble after the botched snap. It was a rare situation and it's not surprising a mistake was made. But to have the benefit of replay, use it, see the knee wasn't down the same way all of America saw it...and still rule no fumble? Only time in my life I've truly wondered if the fix was in...




I vaguely remember this, anyone have a pic or vid of this?


Filthy bastards...

Not only was..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/6/2015 11:22 am : link
the GB fumble correctly ruled at first, but didn't they come back after the commercial and say the call had been REVERSED??

Reversed after evidence showed the initial call was correct? It was almost like Leavy decided on his own what the call would be.

I fully believe something underhanded happened that day. Is that the same game with the bogus personal foul roughing the passer taht extended a Packers drive?
RE: I will never forget Collinsworth in that game  
Geomon : 11/6/2015 11:23 am : link
In comment 12604711 AP in Halfmoon said:
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That's why I can't stand him to this day. He was ripping the Giants after the debacle and clearly didn't know the rules.

Same here. He was a clown then and he still is today.
This isn't true..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/6/2015 11:23 am : link
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yeah
giantfan2000 : 11:19 am : link : reply
it would not have been offset penalties
it was the wrong call
we would have gotten the ball on the 1 yard line


It would've been offsetting penalties. Another lineman was downfield. It would have been a re-try of the FG from the previous spot.
Bad calls against the Giants are almost always on the road.  
Ivan15 : 11/6/2015 11:24 am : link
Call it 12th man or call it intimidation of the officials.

Very few bad calls against Giants' opponents when the Giants are at home. The Metlife crowd isn't nasty enough.
Anyone remember..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/6/2015 11:24 am : link
the penalty in St. Louis?

"Tackling by the helmet"?
FMiC  
Trainmaster : 11/6/2015 11:26 am : link
Another unbelievable bad call.
wow  
BronxBombers : 11/6/2015 11:27 am : link
I cant believe I don't remember them calling that one wrong, when its clear as day...I guess I blocked it out after we won...

I sometimes believe there is more to the game when you see some crazy bad calls, I think they want ratings so to fudge on a few calls on purpose...
Listening to Mike Pereira talk about it is interesting.  
Geomon : 11/6/2015 11:35 am : link
Apparently he was ready to ream the refs a new one.
Ron Winter was the head referee that game and he was  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 11/6/2015 11:37 am : link
the one who acknowledged Seubert as an eligible receiver. Winter, as the head referee, should have overruled Green, which he did not do. I hated Winter ever since and came to realize what a lousy official he was.

Green made a mistake, yes, but a proper head referee would have consulted and got this right. Winter did not.
Crap  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/6/2015 11:43 am : link
watching that video is painful. Even the opening with that douche Russo.
I hate that the one..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/6/2015 11:45 am : link
guy said "The best thing is, the NFL admitted they made a mistake".

No. The best thing would've been to drag the teams back onto the field and replay the kick, seeing that it was a correctable error and the refs knew about it as soon as they got to the locker room.
Exactly  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/6/2015 11:46 am : link
there was nothing preventing them from correcting the error.
AP..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/6/2015 11:49 am : link
I was unusually calm. I was on the phone an hour later with a poster here named Giant Mike. I kept reassuring him that because it was a correctable error, they would replay the kick. He's like, "Fats, the teams are gone from the stadium" and I just kept insisting they would do it the next day or even in Tampa the following week.

Man, I was naive.
That Green Bay game  
Motley Two : 11/6/2015 11:50 am : link
is the reason I can't respect Aaron Rodgers or Mike McCarthy to this day. They're both obviously good at what they do, but the refs tried to do everything they could to keep them in that game and they still acted like whiny excuse making bitches afterwards.
The irony here  
NINEster : 11/6/2015 11:50 am : link
is that if the Niner defender just let the OL catch the ball and immediately tackled him, the game is over as time runs out. Pass interference was the only positive outcome possible except maybe an incomplete pass had time still remained on the clock (don't remember).

Once the snap was botched and the holder decided to heave it down the middle of the field (I believe a throw any other place is intentional grounding, and maybe not enough time to get out of bounds to stop clock)....you're looking at a 0.05% chance of winning assuming you can get another play.

How often has pass interference ever been called on a pass to an OL in NFL history? That's a stat I'd be curious to see. Eligible or not, it's something I'd like to know.

AP  
MBavaro : 11/6/2015 11:52 am : link
He is very correct, though. The one thing that allows me to make some peace with that ending is we never should have even close to that situation in the first place.

In short, that play was not the reason we lost the game.
Clear as day  
Bluenatic : 11/6/2015 11:57 am : link
In the sf game  
ray in arlington : 11/6/2015 11:58 am : link
The illegal man downfield penalty was called on Tam Hopkins, and looked legit to me when I saw the play
That was a disaster of a non-call, but if I'm being honest  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/6/2015 12:00 pm : link
the Giants could've had 15 tries and wouldn't have made that FG. Junkin was shot mentally at that point.
Ref admits he screwed up in 2003  
manh george : 11/6/2015 12:06 pm : link
In related news, Francisco Franco admits that he is still dead.
I like how the back judge  
Mike from Ohio : 11/6/2015 12:32 pm : link
can casually admit he missed a call that was that blatant in the only area he should have been looking at at that moment.

It's sort of like Kennedy's security detail saying only one shooter got close enough to get off some shots.
If we were to make our world whole again  
SomeFan : 11/6/2015 12:52 pm : link
the NFL owes us 25 game changing calls with at least a 1/2 dozen of those in playoff games.
I just don't understand using the phrase "I missed it"  
SirYesSir : 11/6/2015 3:41 pm : link
which makes it seem like he was looking somewhere else. it's impossible to believe that he didn't see the main action of the play, so what is he saying?

he didn't think there was contact? he didn't want to throw the flag on such a big play? what was it?

I know it's not the main point of his article, but full disclosure please
the frustrating part is  
Les in TO : 11/6/2015 3:43 pm : link
that even with instant replay that we have today, the rules would not have permitted the matt allen heave play to have been challenged.
Thats was a  
Howyadoin : 11/6/2015 4:08 pm : link
Tough to take..they played hard in that game.
I know a lot of you had similar reactions  
jnoble : 11/6/2015 5:10 pm : link
I watched that game at my uncles house and drove the entire hour back home in stony silence. No radio, no music, no post-game show. I was a racecar-in-the-red guns-of-the navarone mushroom cloud layin' motherfucker ready to blow.
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