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Giants offensive tackle Will Beatty unlikely to be activated

TomTom : 11/12/2015 9:49 am
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Giants offensive tackle Will Beatty unlikely to be activated, per sources - ( New Window )
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So out of Beatty, Cruz and Prince  
Chris684 : 11/12/2015 10:16 am : link
The odds are very much in favor of us only getting Prince back any time soon.

Nice.
RE: RE: It doesn't seem that far fetched  
RinR : 11/12/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12616234 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12616221 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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You can't build up your upper body strength with a torn pec.

Kind of important to play tackle football.

In a sense I could believe it.



That part is believable. The part that isn't is that they "activated" him from PUP as soon as possible (i.e. he started practicing). Here's the rule regarding PUP:



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A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six weeks of the regular season. At that point, teams have a five-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional 21-day window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.



So they could've bought an additional 5 weeks of time, but instead had him start practicing ASAP.


Maybe because he was ready to practice?
Unconfirmed but sounds legit  
JonC : 11/12/2015 10:20 am : link
on my end.
RE: RE: RE: It doesn't seem that far fetched  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:20 am : link
In comment 12616262 RinR said:
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Maybe because he was ready to practice?


Well if he's going to be IR'd today, than clearly that evaluation was wrong.
I would guess he had a setback and they think he is done for the year  
AnnapolisMike : 11/12/2015 10:21 am : link
If you think he is a few weeks away...then you activate him. Doubt we will hear the real story.
Setback or screwup  
armstead98 : 11/12/2015 10:21 am : link
Only two possible explanations if this is true.
This  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/12/2015 10:23 am : link
makes no sense unless the pectoral hasn't healed properly (if so, why then has he been practicing) or he re-injured himself.

As mentioned above, what if an OT goes down with an ACL in the next seven games? James Morris or Leon McFadden is more valuable than having an insurance policy at OT?

Something smells fishy here.
or  
JonC : 11/12/2015 10:24 am : link
Beatty doesn't want to risk re-injury ... which should conjure other fitting descriptors, if you catch the drift.

RE: This  
AnnapolisMike : 11/12/2015 10:26 am : link
In comment 12616275 Eric from BBI said:
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makes no sense unless the pectoral hasn't healed properly (if so, why then has he been practicing) or he re-injured himself.

As mentioned above, what if an OT goes down with an ACL in the next seven games? James Morris or Leon McFadden is more valuable than having an insurance policy at OT?

Something smells fishy here.


It has to be a significant setback (reinjury) or another injury which is going to keep him out for more than a month. Otherwise this makes little sense.
Well, if WB sees the writing on the wall and sees himself as a cap  
jcn56 : 11/12/2015 10:28 am : link
casualty, then the incentive to return this year drops considerably.
Couldn't they have put him on the roster now and ired him after  
freddie wilson : 11/12/2015 10:28 am : link
the bye if he still wasn't ready to go? All they get this way is an extra body for this game.
In a season full of random/unconventional moves  
yupbjac27 : 11/12/2015 10:28 am : link
this is yet another one. Left sort of mind blown as to how this makes any sense. If he was never to be activated, they should have just sent him home. Newhouse for the rest of the year? Confuse man, utterly confused
I'd like to see another of the beat writers confirm this.  
AnnapolisMike : 11/12/2015 10:29 am : link
It's been 40 minutes and no one else has tweeted anything about it. This is pretty big news if true and you would think they would be on it.
RE: Worst  
Mr. Bungle : 11/12/2015 10:30 am : link
In comment 12616209 SoZKillA said:
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Training staff in all of sports. How does a guy miss a WHOLE SEASON for getting hurt from working out in June....? Only the Giants.

Hasn't he been practicing ?

Not to make your point even worse, but...he got hurt in mid-May.
RE: ...  
Andy in Boston : 11/12/2015 10:30 am : link
In comment 12616186 Eric from BBI said:
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One strange personnel decision after another this year by the G-Men.


agreed.
Why not just activate him for Insurance? and cut LB James Morris. We don't need Morris. Knowing the Giants luck, they'll decide not to activate Beatty, and then Pugh, Flowers or Newhouse gets hurt this game or the next.

Is his Salary guaranteed for injury next year?  
jlukes : 11/12/2015 10:31 am : link
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RE: Well, if WB sees the writing on the wall and sees himself as a cap  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:32 am : link
In comment 12616290 jcn56 said:
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casualty, then the incentive to return this year drops considerably.


Maybe, but the flip side to that is he'll be 31 to start next season and will not have played football for over a year. If he comes back, he can at least prove himself for his next deal.
there are an awful lot of things about the Giants of recent vintage  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2015 10:34 am : link
that defy explanation.
RE: Is his Salary guaranteed for injury next year?  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:34 am : link
In comment 12616299 jlukes said:
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No
That's a bad decision.  
Ira : 11/12/2015 10:35 am : link
At the very least, he'd be a very good backup in case of injury to Flowers or Newhouse.
RE: Is his Salary guaranteed for injury next year?  
BillT : 11/12/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12616299 jlukes said:
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No. He can be released after the season. 4.1 mil cap savings, 5 mil dead money.
RE: RE: Well, if WB sees the writing on the wall and sees himself as a cap  
jcn56 : 11/12/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12616306 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12616290 jcn56 said:


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casualty, then the incentive to return this year drops considerably.



Maybe, but the flip side to that is he'll be 31 to start next season and will not have played football for over a year. If he comes back, he can at least prove himself for his next deal.


If he re-injures that pec he might not play a down of football next year. This could turn out to be a business decision on Beatty's part, the risk of not having played for awhile versus the risk of not going into 2016 100% healthy.
If it is another setback  
UberAlias : 11/12/2015 10:36 am : link
Then someone needs to be held accountable, and probably should be even if it is not.

This team has parted ways with coordinators on both sides of the ball. Year in year out, our biggest issues are lack of talent and injuries and more often than not, a lack of talent compounded by injuries.

TC has been irresponsible in lack of action on this one (that is, if he wasn't overruled from above).
You have to think he's not physically ready  
BillT : 11/12/2015 10:37 am : link
There really isn't another reason to do this.
And I'll reiterate my points as the season as progressed  
dep026 : 11/12/2015 10:38 am : link
guys like...

Beason
Beatty
Cruz
Prince

They would not be a part of my NY Giants plans. Good players, great teammates, easy to root for. However, too oft injured and getting older, and making lots of money.

It has been mismanaged  
UberAlias : 11/12/2015 10:38 am : link
Whatever the situation. As has been the case with others.
RE: If it is another setback  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:39 am : link
In comment 12616326 UberAlias said:
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Then someone needs to be held accountable, and probably should be even if it is not.

This team has parted ways with coordinators on both sides of the ball. Year in year out, our biggest issues are lack of talent and injuries and more often than not, a lack of talent compounded by injuries.

TC has been irresponsible in lack of action on this one (that is, if he wasn't overruled from above).


While some injuries are unavoidable (e.g. Wilson), the lack of talent goes hand-in-hand with the recurring injuries. Look at all the 1st thru 3rd round picks under Reese that were injured before earning a 2nd contract or shortly thereafter (Cruz, Thomas).
Even if hes not physically ready now  
yupbjac27 : 11/12/2015 10:39 am : link
you have to be sure he will not be physically ready as of Jan 3 or beyond to make this move.
I don't know what's really going on...  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2015 10:40 am : link
All I know is, all of this (Cruz, Beatty, JPP, Prince) will make for a hell of a story for America's Game next year.
Very Confusing  
Jeffrey : 11/12/2015 10:40 am : link
With all of the injured players being carried on the roster , particularly some with very little pedigree, it must be a much slower rehab or a reinjury that is causing them to even consider not reinstating him this year.
I'll reserve judgement until we find out...  
Torrag : 11/12/2015 10:41 am : link
A: is this true.

B: what are the contributing factors to the decision.

As far as speculation he could have an injury or is really struggling to find his form. If the latter they should have given Beatty more time to prepare for his return to the field to delay the need for this decision.
RE: And I'll reiterate my points as the season as progressed  
BillT : 11/12/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12616334 dep026 said:
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guys like...

Beason
Beatty
Cruz
Prince

They would not be a part of my NY Giants plans. Good players, great teammates, easy to root for. However, too oft injured and getting older, and making lots of money.

Absolutely on Beason, Probably with Beatty, but I'd let the Cruz thing play out before any decisions. Prince, I just don't know. Not easy or cheap to replace.
Cruz makes 9 million  
dep026 : 11/12/2015 10:53 am : link
next year after missing essentially 18 months. Prince has played a full season once in his career.

You cannot rely on these players. It sucks, I wish both of them were healthy and contributing. But just think of all the times you bitch and complain about a Preston Parker or a Jayron Hosley...... they are/were on this team due to the fact these guys cant stay on the field.
Prince, IMO - would be a question of money/contract  
jcn56 : 11/12/2015 10:54 am : link
If you can get him signed to a reasonable contract with limited risk (maybe roster/option bonuses instead of a ton of guaranteed money), then I'd be onboard. It's not easy to replace a CB of his caliber, and it wouldn't be cheap either.

Cruz - if he's not back this year, then it's either at a dramatically reduced rate (with incentives, to allow him to make it back based on performance). Otherwise, they have a tough decision to make.

Beatty - if he's not back this year, I'd cut him and move on.

JPP - need to see the rest of the year from him, and see his contract demands.
I don't get this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/12/2015 10:54 am : link
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Worst
SoZKillA : 10:03 am : link : reply
Training staff in all of sports. How does a guy miss a WHOLE SEASON for getting hurt from working out in June....? Only the Giants.

Hasn't he been practicing ?


How the heck is the training staff responsible for getting him on the field after a pec tear? Most pec tears require a guy to miss a year, so the timetable seemed aggressive to begin with.
2016: Beatty vs. Newhouse (and Flowers)  
shyster : 11/12/2015 10:58 am : link
The net cap difference between having Beatty on the roster in 2016 and having Newhouse on the roster is only about $2.5M. Given that and given the $5M dead cap hit that Beatty would represent, I don't see the money as driving the decision on Beatty for 2016.

It more comes down to whether they want to keep Flowers at LT. They may very well not see Beatty as a good option at RT.
The problem is  
UberAlias : 11/12/2015 10:58 am : link
You can't keep parting ways with good players because no one outside the QB can stay healthy. What player who sees any amount of starting time outside of Eli ever strings together multiple seasons without missing games?

The med staff has to go.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/12/2015 10:59 am : link
GiantsWFAN ‏@giantswfan 1m1 minute ago

TC on beatty- staying on,PUP...needs surgery on rotator cuff
Beatty Needs Surgery on rotator Cuff  
TomTom : 11/12/2015 10:59 am : link
according to TC
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/12/2015 11:00 am : link
Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN 2m2 minutes ago

Tom Coughlin says Will Beatty will remain on PUP, have rotator cuff surgery, season is over.
The irony to all this being that Eli takes the biggest beating  
jcn56 : 11/12/2015 11:00 am : link
and has been the most resilient (knock wood) for the longest time.

We need to start feeding these guys whatever Eli has been eating.
jcn  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2015 11:02 am : link
I agree - Prince is a bitch of a decision to make because he'll be awfully hard to replace, yet it's hard to justify giving him a lot of money when he never plays a full season.
I just can't believe  
Bleedin Blue : 11/12/2015 11:05 am : link
this team the past few years has been this snake bitten!! 11years we've been dealing with this. I can't remember the Giants being this riddled with injuries. Yes some major guys went down but good lord this decade has been like a MASH unit!! I'm so numb to the news of an injury, it's an everyday occurrence for this team!


Sorry for the rant!
Rotator cuff??  
Bleedin Blue : 11/12/2015 11:08 am : link
Is this a NEW injury or one that was missed?
Looking like another case of wishing and hoping  
widmerseyebrow : 11/12/2015 11:08 am : link
with poor results.
Rotator cuff on top of pec  
JonC : 11/12/2015 11:08 am : link
begs the question of when he tore the rotator, it is possible
he tore it doing the same weight-training exercises as the pec.
RE: Rotator cuff on top of pec  
The_Boss : 11/12/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12616464 JonC said:
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begs the question of when he tore the rotator, it is possible
he tore it doing the same weight-training exercises as the pec.


Wouldn't he have known something else was wrong with him all this time?
my bad  
JonC : 11/12/2015 11:15 am : link
I wasn't saying he tore it at the same time, but rather the injuries can occur doing the same exercises for the chest.
RE: my bad  
The_Boss : 11/12/2015 11:16 am : link
In comment 12616505 JonC said:
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I wasn't saying he tore it at the same time, but rather the injuries can occur doing the same exercises for the chest.


Gotcha.
I knew there had to be  
Big Blue '56 : 11/12/2015 11:18 am : link
a reason..Nothing to do with decision making
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