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Giants offensive tackle Will Beatty unlikely to be activated

TomTom : 11/12/2015 9:49 am
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Giants offensive tackle Will Beatty unlikely to be activated, per sources - ( New Window )
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I'm not seeing any new info on this anywhere?  
GMenLTS : 11/12/2015 9:56 am : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/12/2015 9:57 am : link
One strange personnel decision after another this year by the G-Men.
That would suck!  
Simms11 : 11/12/2015 9:58 am : link
Newhouse has not been the disaster many here thought. He's played well enough to help this offense and so it's not as dire, if Beatty can't go and is not activated, but what to do with Beatty in the offseason?

Do the Giants cut him and save over 4 mil against the cap? Do they keep him in hopes of making him the RT? Quite the dilemma.
Why wouldn't  
Metnut : 11/12/2015 9:58 am : link
we just activate him and then put him on IR if he's not ready after the bye? Is the one extra roster spot that much of a difference or is there another reason that I'm missing (perhaps that he's nowhere near ready to play?
So what exactly does this mean, if true?  
Big Blue '56 : 11/12/2015 9:59 am : link
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if so, another screw up by management  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 9:59 am : link
I believe they could've waited up to 3 more weeks before having Beatty practice, which would've given them until week 12 to make a move.

Between this and the Cruz situation, the Giants need to reevaluate their medical staff and the processes they use for estimating timelines. Clearly way off on both players.
RE: ...  
rptl530 : 11/12/2015 9:59 am : link
In comment 12616186 Eric from BBI said:
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One strange personnel decision after another this year by the G-Men.


No question about that.
RE: So what exactly does this mean, if true?  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:00 am : link
In comment 12616193 Big Blue '56 said:
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He's done for the year.
RE: I'm not seeing any new info on this anywhere?  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:00 am : link
In comment 12616182 GMenLTS said:
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Ranaan claims he has 3 independent sources that have confirmed this. I guess we'll see later today.
reese was positive during the summer  
sundayatone : 11/12/2015 10:01 am : link
he would play this year
So I guess his season is over  
micky : 11/12/2015 10:03 am : link
question will he still be a Giant in 16'?
Worst  
SoZKillA : 11/12/2015 10:03 am : link
Training staff in all of sports. How does a guy miss a WHOLE SEASON for getting hurt from working out in June....? Only the Giants.

Hasn't he been practicing ?
RE: RE: So what exactly does this mean, if true?  
Big Blue '56 : 11/12/2015 10:03 am : link
In comment 12616198 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12616193 Big Blue '56 said:


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He's done for the year.


Thank you..It's possible he's still not up to par and likely won't be for awhile..The Giants aren't going to tell us that's for sure..That could be the only explanation I can see, because this regime is far from stupid..

Is there any cap implication to all of this?  
jcn56 : 11/12/2015 10:05 am : link
If he's injured during a game, is there anything different as opposed to leaving him on the PUP and him not taking a snap in 2015?

Otherwise, put me down in the 'WTF' column. Unless there's some other reason, it looks like they completely misjudged his ability to return this year.
RE: ...  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/12/2015 10:05 am : link
In comment 12616186 Eric from BBI said:
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One strange personnel decision after another this year by the G-Men.


It's been like this for years, going back to when they IR'd Cruz the year before he became a star.

I can see their reasoning on some of these moves (or lack there of) but it doesn't mean they are the correct assumptions.

Beatty done as a Giant.  
Shadow : 11/12/2015 10:05 am : link
The team seems to want to get as much cap space as possible for next year.
Gonna hold out until we get confirmation on this one.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/12/2015 10:05 am : link
But if that's true, yet another head-scratcher from the decision-makers this year. Not their best year, that's for sure..
It doesn't seem that far fetched  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/12/2015 10:05 am : link
You can't build up your upper body strength with a torn pec.

Kind of important to play tackle football.

In a sense I could believe it.
The more you spend . . .  
shyster : 11/12/2015 10:06 am : link
Yeah they will "save" $4M on his $9M 2016 cap hit if they cut him. But that's still a $5M dead cap hit. Nothing to be too happy about.
RE: Is there any cap implication to all of this?  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:06 am : link
In comment 12616216 jcn56 said:
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If he's injured during a game, is there anything different as opposed to leaving him on the PUP and him not taking a snap in 2015?

Otherwise, put me down in the 'WTF' column. Unless there's some other reason, it looks like they completely misjudged his ability to return this year.


No difference in cap. Maybe if it was a non-football injury, but he was injured lifting.
RE: It doesn't seem that far fetched  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12616221 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You can't build up your upper body strength with a torn pec.

Kind of important to play tackle football.

In a sense I could believe it.


That part is believable. The part that isn't is that they "activated" him from PUP as soon as possible (i.e. he started practicing). Here's the rule regarding PUP:

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A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six weeks of the regular season. At that point, teams have a five-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional 21-day window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.


So they could've bought an additional 5 weeks of time, but instead had him start practicing ASAP.
If he was ready to contribute  
aquidneck : 11/12/2015 10:12 am : link
He would have already been activated. JPP only used 1/2 of his two game roster exemption. Beatty's roster exemption began before JPP's.

If he's not activate it means something is wrong and team believes the risk he won't, outweighs the chance he might be able to contribute.

Either way chance he returns next year minimal I'm gonna guess. 10% or less.
You just know  
bceagle05 : 11/12/2015 10:12 am : link
that one of our starting tackles is now going down on Sunday.
The fact that they are NOT going to activate him  
gmen9892 : 11/12/2015 10:15 am : link
Makes me think they are trying to have him healthy for next year. I would assume that if you were going to cut him in the offseason, they would just take a chance on him this year and seen what happens.
This medical staff is a joke  
Bramton1 : 11/12/2015 10:16 am : link
A massive amount of injuries, even as they tout this revolutionary GPS tracking system. Injuries healing incredibly slowly. Injuries deep-sixing a career. Dez Bryant plays two months after a broken foot, yet Cruz is on his third month of recovery from a strained calf.

Makes me wonder if this was on JPP's mind as he refused to allow the Giants to play a more active role in his hand's recovery.

I love my Giants, but if I were Beckham, I would have to seriously consider going elsewhere before I end up like Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc.
So out of Beatty, Cruz and Prince  
Chris684 : 11/12/2015 10:16 am : link
The odds are very much in favor of us only getting Prince back any time soon.

Nice.
RE: RE: It doesn't seem that far fetched  
RinR : 11/12/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12616234 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12616221 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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You can't build up your upper body strength with a torn pec.

Kind of important to play tackle football.

In a sense I could believe it.



That part is believable. The part that isn't is that they "activated" him from PUP as soon as possible (i.e. he started practicing). Here's the rule regarding PUP:



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A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six weeks of the regular season. At that point, teams have a five-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional 21-day window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.



So they could've bought an additional 5 weeks of time, but instead had him start practicing ASAP.


Maybe because he was ready to practice?
Unconfirmed but sounds legit  
JonC : 11/12/2015 10:20 am : link
on my end.
RE: RE: RE: It doesn't seem that far fetched  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:20 am : link
In comment 12616262 RinR said:
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Maybe because he was ready to practice?


Well if he's going to be IR'd today, than clearly that evaluation was wrong.
I would guess he had a setback and they think he is done for the year  
AnnapolisMike : 11/12/2015 10:21 am : link
If you think he is a few weeks away...then you activate him. Doubt we will hear the real story.
Setback or screwup  
armstead98 : 11/12/2015 10:21 am : link
Only two possible explanations if this is true.
This  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/12/2015 10:23 am : link
makes no sense unless the pectoral hasn't healed properly (if so, why then has he been practicing) or he re-injured himself.

As mentioned above, what if an OT goes down with an ACL in the next seven games? James Morris or Leon McFadden is more valuable than having an insurance policy at OT?

Something smells fishy here.
or  
JonC : 11/12/2015 10:24 am : link
Beatty doesn't want to risk re-injury ... which should conjure other fitting descriptors, if you catch the drift.

RE: This  
AnnapolisMike : 11/12/2015 10:26 am : link
In comment 12616275 Eric from BBI said:
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makes no sense unless the pectoral hasn't healed properly (if so, why then has he been practicing) or he re-injured himself.

As mentioned above, what if an OT goes down with an ACL in the next seven games? James Morris or Leon McFadden is more valuable than having an insurance policy at OT?

Something smells fishy here.


It has to be a significant setback (reinjury) or another injury which is going to keep him out for more than a month. Otherwise this makes little sense.
Well, if WB sees the writing on the wall and sees himself as a cap  
jcn56 : 11/12/2015 10:28 am : link
casualty, then the incentive to return this year drops considerably.
Couldn't they have put him on the roster now and ired him after  
freddie wilson : 11/12/2015 10:28 am : link
the bye if he still wasn't ready to go? All they get this way is an extra body for this game.
In a season full of random/unconventional moves  
yupbjac27 : 11/12/2015 10:28 am : link
this is yet another one. Left sort of mind blown as to how this makes any sense. If he was never to be activated, they should have just sent him home. Newhouse for the rest of the year? Confuse man, utterly confused
I'd like to see another of the beat writers confirm this.  
AnnapolisMike : 11/12/2015 10:29 am : link
It's been 40 minutes and no one else has tweeted anything about it. This is pretty big news if true and you would think they would be on it.
RE: Worst  
Mr. Bungle : 11/12/2015 10:30 am : link
In comment 12616209 SoZKillA said:
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Training staff in all of sports. How does a guy miss a WHOLE SEASON for getting hurt from working out in June....? Only the Giants.

Hasn't he been practicing ?

Not to make your point even worse, but...he got hurt in mid-May.
RE: ...  
Andy in Boston : 11/12/2015 10:30 am : link
In comment 12616186 Eric from BBI said:
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One strange personnel decision after another this year by the G-Men.


agreed.
Why not just activate him for Insurance? and cut LB James Morris. We don't need Morris. Knowing the Giants luck, they'll decide not to activate Beatty, and then Pugh, Flowers or Newhouse gets hurt this game or the next.

Is his Salary guaranteed for injury next year?  
jlukes : 11/12/2015 10:31 am : link
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RE: Well, if WB sees the writing on the wall and sees himself as a cap  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:32 am : link
In comment 12616290 jcn56 said:
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casualty, then the incentive to return this year drops considerably.


Maybe, but the flip side to that is he'll be 31 to start next season and will not have played football for over a year. If he comes back, he can at least prove himself for his next deal.
there are an awful lot of things about the Giants of recent vintage  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2015 10:34 am : link
that defy explanation.
RE: Is his Salary guaranteed for injury next year?  
giants#1 : 11/12/2015 10:34 am : link
In comment 12616299 jlukes said:
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No
That's a bad decision.  
Ira : 11/12/2015 10:35 am : link
At the very least, he'd be a very good backup in case of injury to Flowers or Newhouse.
RE: Is his Salary guaranteed for injury next year?  
BillT : 11/12/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12616299 jlukes said:
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No. He can be released after the season. 4.1 mil cap savings, 5 mil dead money.
RE: RE: Well, if WB sees the writing on the wall and sees himself as a cap  
jcn56 : 11/12/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12616306 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12616290 jcn56 said:


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casualty, then the incentive to return this year drops considerably.



Maybe, but the flip side to that is he'll be 31 to start next season and will not have played football for over a year. If he comes back, he can at least prove himself for his next deal.


If he re-injures that pec he might not play a down of football next year. This could turn out to be a business decision on Beatty's part, the risk of not having played for awhile versus the risk of not going into 2016 100% healthy.
If it is another setback  
UberAlias : 11/12/2015 10:36 am : link
Then someone needs to be held accountable, and probably should be even if it is not.

This team has parted ways with coordinators on both sides of the ball. Year in year out, our biggest issues are lack of talent and injuries and more often than not, a lack of talent compounded by injuries.

TC has been irresponsible in lack of action on this one (that is, if he wasn't overruled from above).
You have to think he's not physically ready  
BillT : 11/12/2015 10:37 am : link
There really isn't another reason to do this.
And I'll reiterate my points as the season as progressed  
dep026 : 11/12/2015 10:38 am : link
guys like...

Beason
Beatty
Cruz
Prince

They would not be a part of my NY Giants plans. Good players, great teammates, easy to root for. However, too oft injured and getting older, and making lots of money.

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