Newhouse has not been the disaster many here thought. He's played well enough to help this offense and so it's not as dire, if Beatty can't go and is not activated, but what to do with Beatty in the offseason?
Do the Giants cut him and save over 4 mil against the cap? Do they keep him in hopes of making him the RT? Quite the dilemma.
we just activate him and then put him on IR if he's not ready after the bye? Is the one extra roster spot that much of a difference or is there another reason that I'm missing (perhaps that he's nowhere near ready to play?
I believe they could've waited up to 3 more weeks before having Beatty practice, which would've given them until week 12 to make a move.
Between this and the Cruz situation, the Giants need to reevaluate their medical staff and the processes they use for estimating timelines. Clearly way off on both players.
Thank you..It's possible he's still not up to par and likely won't be for awhile..The Giants aren't going to tell us that's for sure..That could be the only explanation I can see, because this regime is far from stupid..
You can't build up your upper body strength with a torn pec.
Kind of important to play tackle football.
In a sense I could believe it.
That part is believable. The part that isn't is that they "activated" him from PUP as soon as possible (i.e. he started practicing). Here's the rule regarding PUP:
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A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six weeks of the regular season. At that point, teams have a five-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional 21-day window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.
So they could've bought an additional 5 weeks of time, but instead had him start practicing ASAP.
Makes me think they are trying to have him healthy for next year. I would assume that if you were going to cut him in the offseason, they would just take a chance on him this year and seen what happens.
A massive amount of injuries, even as they tout this revolutionary GPS tracking system. Injuries healing incredibly slowly. Injuries deep-sixing a career. Dez Bryant plays two months after a broken foot, yet Cruz is on his third month of recovery from a strained calf.
Makes me wonder if this was on JPP's mind as he refused to allow the Giants to play a more active role in his hand's recovery.
I love my Giants, but if I were Beckham, I would have to seriously consider going elsewhere before I end up like Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc.
You can't build up your upper body strength with a torn pec.
Kind of important to play tackle football.
In a sense I could believe it.
That part is believable. The part that isn't is that they "activated" him from PUP as soon as possible (i.e. he started practicing). Here's the rule regarding PUP:
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A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six weeks of the regular season. At that point, teams have a five-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional 21-day window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.
So they could've bought an additional 5 weeks of time, but instead had him start practicing ASAP.
makes no sense unless the pectoral hasn't healed properly (if so, why then has he been practicing) or he re-injured himself.
As mentioned above, what if an OT goes down with an ACL in the next seven games? James Morris or Leon McFadden is more valuable than having an insurance policy at OT?
makes no sense unless the pectoral hasn't healed properly (if so, why then has he been practicing) or he re-injured himself.
As mentioned above, what if an OT goes down with an ACL in the next seven games? James Morris or Leon McFadden is more valuable than having an insurance policy at OT?
Something smells fishy here.
It has to be a significant setback (reinjury) or another injury which is going to keep him out for more than a month. Otherwise this makes little sense.
Well, if WB sees the writing on the wall and sees himself as a cap
this is yet another one. Left sort of mind blown as to how this makes any sense. If he was never to be activated, they should have just sent him home. Newhouse for the rest of the year? Confuse man, utterly confused
I'd like to see another of the beat writers confirm this.
One strange personnel decision after another this year by the G-Men.
agreed.
Why not just activate him for Insurance? and cut LB James Morris. We don't need Morris. Knowing the Giants luck, they'll decide not to activate Beatty, and then Pugh, Flowers or Newhouse gets hurt this game or the next.
casualty, then the incentive to return this year drops considerably.
Maybe, but the flip side to that is he'll be 31 to start next season and will not have played football for over a year. If he comes back, he can at least prove himself for his next deal.
there are an awful lot of things about the Giants of recent vintage
casualty, then the incentive to return this year drops considerably.
Maybe, but the flip side to that is he'll be 31 to start next season and will not have played football for over a year. If he comes back, he can at least prove himself for his next deal.
If he re-injures that pec he might not play a down of football next year. This could turn out to be a business decision on Beatty's part, the risk of not having played for awhile versus the risk of not going into 2016 100% healthy.
Then someone needs to be held accountable, and probably should be even if it is not.
This team has parted ways with coordinators on both sides of the ball. Year in year out, our biggest issues are lack of talent and injuries and more often than not, a lack of talent compounded by injuries.
TC has been irresponsible in lack of action on this one (that is, if he wasn't overruled from above).
They would not be a part of my NY Giants plans. Good players, great teammates, easy to root for. However, too oft injured and getting older, and making lots of money.
Do the Giants cut him and save over 4 mil against the cap? Do they keep him in hopes of making him the RT? Quite the dilemma.
Between this and the Cruz situation, the Giants need to reevaluate their medical staff and the processes they use for estimating timelines. Clearly way off on both players.
No question about that.
He's done for the year.
Ranaan claims he has 3 independent sources that have confirmed this. I guess we'll see later today.
Hasn't he been practicing ?
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He's done for the year.
Thank you..It's possible he's still not up to par and likely won't be for awhile..The Giants aren't going to tell us that's for sure..That could be the only explanation I can see, because this regime is far from stupid..
Otherwise, put me down in the 'WTF' column. Unless there's some other reason, it looks like they completely misjudged his ability to return this year.
It's been like this for years, going back to when they IR'd Cruz the year before he became a star.
I can see their reasoning on some of these moves (or lack there of) but it doesn't mean they are the correct assumptions.
Kind of important to play tackle football.
In a sense I could believe it.
Otherwise, put me down in the 'WTF' column. Unless there's some other reason, it looks like they completely misjudged his ability to return this year.
No difference in cap. Maybe if it was a non-football injury, but he was injured lifting.
Kind of important to play tackle football.
In a sense I could believe it.
That part is believable. The part that isn't is that they "activated" him from PUP as soon as possible (i.e. he started practicing). Here's the rule regarding PUP:
So they could've bought an additional 5 weeks of time, but instead had him start practicing ASAP.
If he's not activate it means something is wrong and team believes the risk he won't, outweighs the chance he might be able to contribute.
Either way chance he returns next year minimal I'm gonna guess. 10% or less.
Makes me wonder if this was on JPP's mind as he refused to allow the Giants to play a more active role in his hand's recovery.
I love my Giants, but if I were Beckham, I would have to seriously consider going elsewhere before I end up like Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Ahmad Bradshaw, etc.
Nice.
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You can't build up your upper body strength with a torn pec.
Kind of important to play tackle football.
In a sense I could believe it.
That part is believable. The part that isn't is that they "activated" him from PUP as soon as possible (i.e. he started practicing). Here's the rule regarding PUP:
Quote:
A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six weeks of the regular season. At that point, teams have a five-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional 21-day window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.
So they could've bought an additional 5 weeks of time, but instead had him start practicing ASAP.
Maybe because he was ready to practice?
Maybe because he was ready to practice?
Well if he's going to be IR'd today, than clearly that evaluation was wrong.
As mentioned above, what if an OT goes down with an ACL in the next seven games? James Morris or Leon McFadden is more valuable than having an insurance policy at OT?
Something smells fishy here.
As mentioned above, what if an OT goes down with an ACL in the next seven games? James Morris or Leon McFadden is more valuable than having an insurance policy at OT?
Something smells fishy here.
It has to be a significant setback (reinjury) or another injury which is going to keep him out for more than a month. Otherwise this makes little sense.
Hasn't he been practicing ?
Not to make your point even worse, but...he got hurt in mid-May.
agreed.
Why not just activate him for Insurance? and cut LB James Morris. We don't need Morris. Knowing the Giants luck, they'll decide not to activate Beatty, and then Pugh, Flowers or Newhouse gets hurt this game or the next.
Maybe, but the flip side to that is he'll be 31 to start next season and will not have played football for over a year. If he comes back, he can at least prove himself for his next deal.
No
No. He can be released after the season. 4.1 mil cap savings, 5 mil dead money.
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casualty, then the incentive to return this year drops considerably.
Maybe, but the flip side to that is he'll be 31 to start next season and will not have played football for over a year. If he comes back, he can at least prove himself for his next deal.
If he re-injures that pec he might not play a down of football next year. This could turn out to be a business decision on Beatty's part, the risk of not having played for awhile versus the risk of not going into 2016 100% healthy.
This team has parted ways with coordinators on both sides of the ball. Year in year out, our biggest issues are lack of talent and injuries and more often than not, a lack of talent compounded by injuries.
TC has been irresponsible in lack of action on this one (that is, if he wasn't overruled from above).
Beason
Beatty
Cruz
Prince
They would not be a part of my NY Giants plans. Good players, great teammates, easy to root for. However, too oft injured and getting older, and making lots of money.