Needs to manup like OBJ admit he screwd up again and lets go forward.
Screwed up? You understand you need To score a td here. You can't end the game on a field goal. My second down they should have looke tondo something else.
Beckham even though he had 100 yards was outplayed today.
doesn't do anything...clock stops regardless - completion, incomplete or run.
I know...so I have no idea why people are bitching about this particular playcall. It was unsuccessful...but so could a run from the six yardline. Either call would still have taken the clock to the two minute warning. The real issue was the clock manager, who stopped the clock at 2:01...wtf?
Once Harris caught the ball and went out of bounds the dynamic changed.
Before the Harris first down, the best option is to get another first down while staying inbounds before the 10 yard line. That allows the Giants the option to try to kill the clock and their timeouts while still having the field goal in their pocket.
But after Harris caught the ball inside the 10 and went out of bounds the situation changed. Barring a penalty the Patriots were guaranteed to get the ball back with time to drive. Thus, going for the touchdown as soon as the opportunity availed itself was the right move. If Beckham gets the TD there, the game is probably over.
I know it's tempting to say the Giants fucked this up, but they didn't. They played it correctly.
If there was a fuckup it was maybe being too conservative on the third down play, but I'm not sure they were without looking at the play again.
it wasn't the right call. You run that ball every single time and bring it to the 2 minute warning or force the pats to use their last TO.
An unsuccessful run and NE takes a To before the 2:00 warning. Some one has broken it down, with running it on first down, and not scoring on any of those 3 plays. There would have been 1:10-1:15 left on the clock - which is more than enough time.
RE: There was nothing wrong with the way the end was handled Â
Once Harris caught the ball and went out of bounds the dynamic changed.
Before the Harris first down, the best option is to get another first down while staying inbounds before the 10 yard line. That allows the Giants the option to try to kill the clock and their timeouts while still having the field goal in their pocket.
But after Harris caught the ball inside the 10 and went out of bounds the situation changed. Barring a penalty the Patriots were guaranteed to get the ball back with time to drive. Thus, going for the touchdown as soon as the opportunity availed itself was the right move. If Beckham gets the TD there, the game is probably over.
I know it's tempting to say the Giants fucked this up, but they didn't. They played it correctly.
If there was a fuckup it was maybe being too conservative on the third down play, but I'm not sure they were without looking at the play again.
This.
Also...the 3rd down play and slide reminded me of what should have happened in Dallas in week 1.
Once Harris caught the ball and went out of bounds the dynamic changed.
Before the Harris first down, the best option is to get another first down while staying inbounds before the 10 yard line. That allows the Giants the option to try to kill the clock and their timeouts while still having the field goal in their pocket.
But after Harris caught the ball inside the 10 and went out of bounds the situation changed. Barring a penalty the Patriots were guaranteed to get the ball back with time to drive. Thus, going for the touchdown as soon as the opportunity availed itself was the right move. If Beckham gets the TD there, the game is probably over.
I know it's tempting to say the Giants fucked this up, but they didn't. They played it correctly.
If there was a fuckup it was maybe being too conservative on the third down play, but I'm not sure they were without looking at the play again.
Nice breakdown Terps, I agree
That was a good play, who the hell called the next two? Â
Once Harris caught the ball and went out of bounds the dynamic changed.
Before the Harris first down, the best option is to get another first down while staying inbounds before the 10 yard line. That allows the Giants the option to try to kill the clock and their timeouts while still having the field goal in their pocket.
But after Harris caught the ball inside the 10 and went out of bounds the situation changed. Barring a penalty the Patriots were guaranteed to get the ball back with time to drive. Thus, going for the touchdown as soon as the opportunity availed itself was the right move. If Beckham gets the TD there, the game is probably over.
I know it's tempting to say the Giants fucked this up, but they didn't. They played it correctly.
If there was a fuckup it was maybe being too conservative on the third down play, but I'm not sure they were without looking at the play again.
Terps is correct. The Harris catch and subsequent out of bounds was ironically ONE of the big game changers.
Billy played it perfectly in this scenario. It was really well done.
The Giants going for the TD was absolutely the right move.
Immediately after the Harris catch I texted my buddies saying I ifwasn't sure that play was actually a good thing. It brought Brady back into the game.
I do fear that the errors in Dallas led to Coughlin, McAdoo, and Eli being too conservative on third down, but it's not a huge quibble.
This was a great game and while enormously frustrating does show us (and more importantly the team) what is possible.
Not surprised that Eli audibled to pass, but ultimately it's the coach's responsibility to observe the situation in the game and instruct the offense of what and what not to do.
If Coughlin instructed his team to not score a touchdown Â
everyone here is smart enough to know why audibling to a successful TD would have been a superb move and a typical Eli winning player decision. Yes?
If not you may need to reconsider and think about things a bit. Remember...the ball was thrown for a TD. Ok you clear now? Whew.
The Giants D is terrible against the pass, and Brady threw for nearly 200 yards in the 4th quarter. I'm not sure giving Brady the ball back, needing a TD, with just over 2 minutes left in the game and a timeout would have been a winning decision.
everyone here is smart enough to know why audibling to a successful TD would have been a superb move and a typical Eli winning player decision. Yes?
If not you may need to reconsider and think about things a bit. Remember...the ball was thrown for a TD. Ok you clear now? Whew.
The Giants D is terrible against the pass, and Brady threw for nearly 200 yards in the 4th quarter. I'm not sure giving Brady the ball back, needing a TD, with just over 2 minutes left in the game and a timeout would have been a winning decision.
you know what that's called? Playing to lose like a bunch of pussies. Brady threw a pick on the 1. He threw a duck that Collins should have intercepted with a blindfold and a snake in his pants. Eli is a great player trying to take a td lead and his play worked flawlessly until the rule for what a td is became relevant and ruined the game. The difference between them having to go 80 yards and having to go 40 yards is massive. This is where the game was lost, even with all the other crap we can analyze. The Giants put a TD on the board and had it taken away when that would have forced a TD to tie or win. The audible worked and the play should have won the game for us.
Belichick's plan by forcing Eli to go for a pass instead of a run so that they can't run more time of the clock?? Eli did say they showed "goal line personnel".
plan was to not try and stop the Giants from scoring 7, then his plan almost worked if not for the hard work of Dean Blandino and his band of clueless striped buffoons. Only the league stopped Belichick from allowing 7 instead of 3.
Belichick's plan by forcing Eli to go for a pass instead of a run so that they can't run more time of the clock?? Eli did say they showed "goal line personnel".
The plan was to stop the run and keep them out of the endzone. They had the TD and got a lucky break when Beckham was not strong with the ball which is not what BB wanted. They did not trick Eli into passing. Reading way too much into it.
I can't for the life of me understand why the coaching staff Â
didn't force the offense to run the ball and take time of the clock??! It's just horrible coaching. I'm so sick of the Giants coaching staff. I'm sorry people here can say what they want, but there is no excuses for not running more time of the clock?! They did the same thing in the 1st game against Atlanta. How could you not learn. Once again Giants lost the game themselves. Pats should of lost this game and that's what burns the most..
You can't play every game 58 1/2 minutes and run out the clock. That is and has been a receipe for losing. You need to make a stop in the last minute or you are not going to win. Wouldnt be nice to have a defensive player that can impose his will and win the game for you like a Strahan ,LT
or even an in their prime Tuck or Osi or Banks or Carson. They need a playmaker all NFL stud
Eli instructs Jennings to not score against Dallas, and everyone (rightfully so) attack him for it. Now some of our fans are again angry at Eli for trying to score a touchdown.
You can't play every game 58 1/2 minutes and run out the clock. That is and has been a receipe for losing. You need to make a stop in the last minute or you are not going to win. Wouldnt be nice to have a defensive player that can impose his will and win the game for you like a Strahan ,LT
or even an in their prime Tuck or Osi or Banks or Carson. They need a playmaker all NFL stud
Eli instructs Jennings to not score against Dallas, and everyone (rightfully so) attack him for it. Now some of our fans are again angry at Eli for trying to score a touchdown.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.
Not really. It's understanding the situation. The Jennings TD would have made it a 2 score game
The obj TD would have made it a 1 score game even with a 2 pt conversion
Terrible decision to pass there, even if it worked.
it wasn't the right call. You run that ball every single time and bring it to the 2 minute warning or force the pats to use their last TO.
An unsuccessful run and NE takes a To before the 2:00 warning. Some one has broken it down, with running it on first down, and not scoring on any of those 3 plays. There would have been 1:10-1:15 left on the clock - which is more than enough time.
Eli instructs Jennings to not score against Dallas, and everyone (rightfully so) attack him for it. Now some of our fans are again angry at Eli for trying to score a touchdown.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.
Not really. It's understanding the situation. The Jennings TD would have made it a 2 score game
The obj TD would have made it a 1 score game even with a 2 pt conversion
Terrible decision to pass there, even if it worked.
That doesn't make any sense. Scoring the TD makes it a one score game but that score has to be a TD, instead of the FG. The extra yardage they need to make that "one score" is much more valuable than the time saved. Scoring the TD was absolutely the right play.
but scoring a TD was paramount. First, NE did not have an offense that could march down the field and score. They don't have guys that can stretch the field, they didn't have an offensive line to give Brady much time, and the likelihood of them scoring would have depended on us making a mistake like the Gronk TD. A FG there offense is designed to get that. There is not a chance in the world we should have played for a FG.
The only criticism I have and it is not really aimed at one person (more like it is aimed at Eli, TC, McAdoo and CO) is that Belichick, as in the Super Bowl against Carroll, dictated to us what he wanted us to do. I get that we have to take what they give us because scoring was the most important thing, but if they want us to pass, maybe we should have figured a way to counter that. But, that is nitpicking. As I said, the most important thing was to score, we set up a play where we put the ball in our best Wr's hands and whether it was legally a catch or not, he dropped it. I can't get two upset about coaching when it was the lack of execution that cost us at the critical moments.
Once the Giants were in a first and goal situation with outside 2 min left, they weren't going to be able to run the clock down enough in any meaningful way. In that situation, you are going to be leaving time on the clock regardless. A touchdown now becomes the highest percentage way of winning the game.
Go Terps : 11/15/2015 10:31 pm : link : reply
Immediately after the Harris catch I texted my buddies saying I ifwasn't sure that play was actually a good thing. It brought Brady back into the game.
I do fear that the errors in Dallas led to Coughlin, McAdoo, and Eli being too conservative on third down, but it's not a huge quibble.
This was a great game and while enormously frustrating does show us (and more importantly the team) what is possible.
didn't force the offense to run the ball and take time of the clock??! It's just horrible coaching. I'm so sick of the Giants coaching staff. I'm sorry people here can say what they want, but there is no excuses for not running more time of the clock?! They did the same thing in the 1st game against Atlanta. How could you not learn. Once again Giants lost the game themselves. Pats should of lost this game and that's what burns the most..
Screwed up? You understand you need To score a td here. You can't end the game on a field goal. My second down they should have looke tondo something else.
Beckham even though he had 100 yards was outplayed today.
lol, so throwing a perfect pass for a TD is screwing up? LMAO.
Wow. Didn't realize he was showboating
Not good OBJ. Ball security is always number one
What ever side you are on if the coaches want it to be a run then they need to take away the audible.
still think he completed the play. apparently golden tate had a very similar play a couple of weeks ago and got the TD.
unsure why possession and 2 feet down is somehow dissimilar to "ball breaking the plane" for a run play in the same scenario
Said Eli Manning: "They had goal line personnel in and they just weren’t going to let us run the ball in that situation."
If not you may need to reconsider and think about things a bit. Remember...the ball was thrown for a TD. Ok you clear now? Whew.
old man : 10:04 pm : link : reply
Needs to manup like OBJ admit he screwd up again and lets go forward.
wut?
I know...so I have no idea why people are bitching about this particular playcall. It was unsuccessful...but so could a run from the six yardline. Either call would still have taken the clock to the two minute warning. The real issue was the clock manager, who stopped the clock at 2:01...wtf?
And Coughlin needs to go immediately because he allowed Eli to make that happen.
The franchise is in complete disarray and Reese should be let go on the flight home.
Before the Harris first down, the best option is to get another first down while staying inbounds before the 10 yard line. That allows the Giants the option to try to kill the clock and their timeouts while still having the field goal in their pocket.
But after Harris caught the ball inside the 10 and went out of bounds the situation changed. Barring a penalty the Patriots were guaranteed to get the ball back with time to drive. Thus, going for the touchdown as soon as the opportunity availed itself was the right move. If Beckham gets the TD there, the game is probably over.
I know it's tempting to say the Giants fucked this up, but they didn't. They played it correctly.
If there was a fuckup it was maybe being too conservative on the third down play, but I'm not sure they were without looking at the play again.
An unsuccessful run and NE takes a To before the 2:00 warning. Some one has broken it down, with running it on first down, and not scoring on any of those 3 plays. There would have been 1:10-1:15 left on the clock - which is more than enough time.
Before the Harris first down, the best option is to get another first down while staying inbounds before the 10 yard line. That allows the Giants the option to try to kill the clock and their timeouts while still having the field goal in their pocket.
But after Harris caught the ball inside the 10 and went out of bounds the situation changed. Barring a penalty the Patriots were guaranteed to get the ball back with time to drive. Thus, going for the touchdown as soon as the opportunity availed itself was the right move. If Beckham gets the TD there, the game is probably over.
I know it's tempting to say the Giants fucked this up, but they didn't. They played it correctly.
If there was a fuckup it was maybe being too conservative on the third down play, but I'm not sure they were without looking at the play again.
This.
Also...the 3rd down play and slide reminded me of what should have happened in Dallas in week 1.
We scored a touchdown on the play. Makes it more clear why it was good? Or still not functioning properly?
Before the Harris first down, the best option is to get another first down while staying inbounds before the 10 yard line. That allows the Giants the option to try to kill the clock and their timeouts while still having the field goal in their pocket.
But after Harris caught the ball inside the 10 and went out of bounds the situation changed. Barring a penalty the Patriots were guaranteed to get the ball back with time to drive. Thus, going for the touchdown as soon as the opportunity availed itself was the right move. If Beckham gets the TD there, the game is probably over.
I know it's tempting to say the Giants fucked this up, but they didn't. They played it correctly.
If there was a fuckup it was maybe being too conservative on the third down play, but I'm not sure they were without looking at the play again.
Nice breakdown Terps, I agree
Before the Harris first down, the best option is to get another first down while staying inbounds before the 10 yard line. That allows the Giants the option to try to kill the clock and their timeouts while still having the field goal in their pocket.
But after Harris caught the ball inside the 10 and went out of bounds the situation changed. Barring a penalty the Patriots were guaranteed to get the ball back with time to drive. Thus, going for the touchdown as soon as the opportunity availed itself was the right move. If Beckham gets the TD there, the game is probably over.
I know it's tempting to say the Giants fucked this up, but they didn't. They played it correctly.
If there was a fuckup it was maybe being too conservative on the third down play, but I'm not sure they were without looking at the play again.
Terps is correct. The Harris catch and subsequent out of bounds was ironically ONE of the big game changers.
Billy played it perfectly in this scenario. It was really well done.
The Giants going for the TD was absolutely the right move.
Perfect storm. That's football.
I do fear that the errors in Dallas led to Coughlin, McAdoo, and Eli being too conservative on third down, but it's not a huge quibble.
This was a great game and while enormously frustrating does show us (and more importantly the team) what is possible.
If not you may need to reconsider and think about things a bit. Remember...the ball was thrown for a TD. Ok you clear now? Whew.
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everyone here is smart enough to know why audibling to a successful TD would have been a superb move and a typical Eli winning player decision. Yes?
If not you may need to reconsider and think about things a bit. Remember...the ball was thrown for a TD. Ok you clear now? Whew.
The Giants D is terrible against the pass, and Brady threw for nearly 200 yards in the 4th quarter. I'm not sure giving Brady the ball back, needing a TD, with just over 2 minutes left in the game and a timeout would have been a winning decision.
lol
And Coughlin needs to go immediately because he allowed Eli to make that happen.
The franchise is in complete disarray and Reese should be let go on the flight home.
not sure if serious
The plan was to stop the run and keep them out of the endzone. They had the TD and got a lucky break when Beckham was not strong with the ball which is not what BB wanted. They did not trick Eli into passing. Reading way too much into it.
or even an in their prime Tuck or Osi or Banks or Carson. They need a playmaker all NFL stud
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.
or even an in their prime Tuck or Osi or Banks or Carson. They need a playmaker all NFL stud
This
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.
Not really. It's understanding the situation. The Jennings TD would have made it a 2 score game
The obj TD would have made it a 1 score game even with a 2 pt conversion
Terrible decision to pass there, even if it worked.
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it wasn't the right call. You run that ball every single time and bring it to the 2 minute warning or force the pats to use their last TO.
An unsuccessful run and NE takes a To before the 2:00 warning. Some one has broken it down, with running it on first down, and not scoring on any of those 3 plays. There would have been 1:10-1:15 left on the clock - which is more than enough time.
There is a huge difference between 145 and 110.
They needed all 145 to get in field goal range.
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Eli instructs Jennings to not score against Dallas, and everyone (rightfully so) attack him for it. Now some of our fans are again angry at Eli for trying to score a touchdown.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.
Not really. It's understanding the situation. The Jennings TD would have made it a 2 score game
The obj TD would have made it a 1 score game even with a 2 pt conversion
Terrible decision to pass there, even if it worked.
That time would have mattered
The only criticism I have and it is not really aimed at one person (more like it is aimed at Eli, TC, McAdoo and CO) is that Belichick, as in the Super Bowl against Carroll, dictated to us what he wanted us to do. I get that we have to take what they give us because scoring was the most important thing, but if they want us to pass, maybe we should have figured a way to counter that. But, that is nitpicking. As I said, the most important thing was to score, we set up a play where we put the ball in our best Wr's hands and whether it was legally a catch or not, he dropped it. I can't get two upset about coaching when it was the lack of execution that cost us at the critical moments.
Immediately after the Harris catch I texted my buddies saying I ifwasn't sure that play was actually a good thing. It brought Brady back into the game.
I do fear that the errors in Dallas led to Coughlin, McAdoo, and Eli being too conservative on third down, but it's not a huge quibble.
This was a great game and while enormously frustrating does show us (and more importantly the team) what is possible.
Especially the last sentence.
Because it wasnt, even OBJ admitted it himself. He got lazy and didnt finish the play off.
Beckham had that ball if he just kept his hands inside. For whatever reason he extends the ball out.
Awful post on so many levels