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I personally believe that Coughlin and his staff....

Britt in VA : 11/16/2015 9:27 am
are coaching their asses off, elevating the play of the team WAY above the talent level of the roster. In fact, it might be one of his finest jobs.

Last night, in no way, shape, or form was about coaching. The players did not make the plays (that were absolutely there) to win the game. Period.

A lot of you seem to see it as Coughlin blowing 3-4 games, while I see it as Coughlin having us competitive in a couple of games we had no business being competitive in.

It's so weird, everybody talks about what a shitty roster we have (myself included), and how we're going to get blown out and be non competitive in this game, or that game... But the truth is, minus the Eagles game, we've been competitive in EVERY game, despite enormous injuries, despite a talent deficiency.... Despite a lot of things. We have a shitty defense, a shitty O-line, one consistently good WR (key word consistently), and we're still 5-5 and in first place heading into the bye.

I don't know what some of you guys want. You predict we're going to be blown out every week as if it's an afterthought, and then get upset when we barely get beat in a highly competitive game.

I think Coughlin and his staff have done an excellent job this year, and I think some of you are looking for reasons each week to put his head on a pike.
finally a smart fan...  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/16/2015 9:29 am : link
half these bozos want to run eli and coughlin off the team... can't make this stuff up
I know I doon't doubt this  
I Love Clams Casino : 11/16/2015 9:30 am : link
Tom's doing an excellent job
Agree 100%  
Ginny Poo : 11/16/2015 9:30 am : link
well said.
It can be argued (without being accused of homerism)  
Big Blue '56 : 11/16/2015 9:30 am : link
that this is TC's best job since coming here despite some screw-ups, imv
If this team misses winning  
Doomster : 11/16/2015 9:31 am : link
the division, by one game, you can point to a few games, where, time management and play calls have cost this team a win....but, without a doubt, the players themselves, have lost more games than the coaching...
I was  
jtfuoco : 11/16/2015 9:31 am : link
in the fire Coughlin party for the past year but I have to admit that as long as the team continues to play this tough the rest of the season I don't think you can let his stubborn ass go even if they miss the playoffs.
I agree  
UberAlias : 11/16/2015 9:32 am : link
There have been mistakes and lots of second guessing after the fact, but I agree -they're dealing with a ton of key injuries and taken in whole, the coaching has been good this year and the problem. Talent is a big issue and they are doing what they can with what they have.
A lot of this is frustration..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2015 9:32 am : link
from losing close games and not executing down the stretch, so people are pointing fingers.

I get that part.

The other aspect of this is you have a concerted effort by a few posters who are most likely dupes and trolls to bash TC and Reese incessantly, whether it be in game threads or in matters even unrelated to either the coach or GM, which makes actual discussion of the strategies nearly impossible to have here.

It really is about 4 or 5 handles that are making things miserable here and it is a huge problem whether people want to acknowledge it or not.
I agree about Coughlin and (for the most part) Spags.  
bceagle05 : 11/16/2015 9:32 am : link
McAdoo still has some growing up to do. Generally speaking though I think you hit the nail on the head. It's a shame we don't have just a little more talent, because this team fights like hell and is well prepared each week. Hope we figure out a way to steal this crappy division, otherwise this shitty losses will be tough to take all offseason.
Couldn't agree more.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 11/16/2015 9:32 am : link
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meant to say coaching is not the problem  
UberAlias : 11/16/2015 9:33 am : link
They are doing a good job which what they have.
Britt  
robbieballs2003 : 11/16/2015 9:33 am : link
I agree with your post. However, when the players play their asses off you would like to see it result in a win. Nobody is questioning the effort of the players and coaches. However, we are making mental mistakes imo that are costing us the games and this is the troublesome part because TC supposedly always has his players prepared for all situations.

It is one thing to have another team beat you and it is a totally different thing to feel like you beat yourself and most of our wins this year feel like we beat ourselves. That is what is getting fans riled up.
I did not see the Giants being very competitive in the game  
Chef : 11/16/2015 9:33 am : link
They proved me wrong, having said that.. the loss was worse than if the lost by two scores... A great chance to knock off an undefeated team and all the glory associated with it.. Giants had multiple opportunities and failed every time. Again... and again.. My 10 year old was so upset he cried...
very laughable post  
Vanzetti : 11/16/2015 9:34 am : link
Here is your logic:

1. Brett in VA thinks Giants have no talent

2. Giants play very well despite throwing away games late

3. Brett in VA can't admit he is wrong about the lack of talent.

4. So, the only alternative is to claim Coughlin is doing an amazing job getting a no talent roster to play way above its skill level.


You are not the only one. There are about three dozen of you who post constantly and who can't admit you were wrong about your team..

Occam's Razor: the simplest solution is best. Simple answer: the Giants are a good team. They just have to learn to finish like a lot of teams with a young core



Coughlin has done a great job.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/16/2015 9:34 am : link
& I'm starting to think regardless if we get into the dance or not, he should be brought back.

I don't think we're that far away.
RE: I did not see the Giants being very competitive in the game  
Britt in VA : 11/16/2015 9:35 am : link
In comment 12626025 Chef said:
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They proved me wrong, having said that.. the loss was worse than if the lost by two scores... A great chance to knock off an undefeated team and all the glory associated with it.. Giants had multiple opportunities and failed every time. Again... and again.. My 10 year old was so upset he cried...


Well, that's being a Giants fan. I suffered through those in the 80's and 90's and after 17 years it made 2007 and 2011 that much sweeter.
firing coughlin would be a tremendous tremendous mistake....  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/16/2015 9:37 am : link
and it shouldn't even be a consideration unless this team absolutely gets embarassed over the last 6 games.
RE: very laughable post  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/16/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12626028 Vanzetti said:
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Here is your logic:

1. Brett in VA thinks Giants have no talent

2. Giants play very well despite throwing away games late

3. Brett in VA can't admit he is wrong about the lack of talent.

4. So, the only alternative is to claim Coughlin is doing an amazing job getting a no talent roster to play way above its skill level.


You are not the only one. There are about three dozen of you who post constantly and who can't admit you were wrong about your team..

Occam's Razor: the simplest solution is best. Simple answer: the Giants are a good team. They just have to learn to finish like a lot of teams with a young core




Seems like circular logic with an agenda to me
RE: very laughable post  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/16/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12626028 Vanzetti said:
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Here is your logic:

1. Brett in VA thinks Giants have no talent

2. Giants play very well despite throwing away games late

3. Brett in VA can't admit he is wrong about the lack of talent.

4. So, the only alternative is to claim Coughlin is doing an amazing job getting a no talent roster to play way above its skill level.


You are not the only one. There are about three dozen of you who post constantly and who can't admit you were wrong about your team..

Occam's Razor: the simplest solution is best. Simple answer: the Giants are a good team. They just have to learn to finish like a lot of teams with a young core




Seems like circular logic with an agenda to me
What is also clear  
Rob in CT/NYC : 11/16/2015 9:38 am : link
Is that very few "fans" watch other games and benefit from the perspective gained in doing so. Seattle has led every game this year going into the 4th quarter. Dallas (a team we should all follow closely) has lost an entire season to injuries, and yet the call for heads to roll because of our injuries mount.

The Packers have looked awful in recent weeks.

The big problem with talent  
UberAlias : 11/16/2015 9:38 am : link
Has been guys out due to injury are all key guys/starters. We are not inactivating people because of what they can contribute, we're inactivating many of our most talented players every week due to injury.
RE: What is also clear  
Big Blue '56 : 11/16/2015 9:39 am : link
In comment 12626048 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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Is that very few "fans" watch other games and benefit from the perspective gained in doing so. Seattle has led every game this year going into the 4th quarter. Dallas (a team we should all follow closely) has lost an entire season to injuries, and yet the call for heads to roll because of our injuries mount.

The Packers have looked awful in recent weeks.


Excellent post Rob
Packers fans..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2015 9:39 am : link
were booing them yesterday.
whether or not this is Coughlin's best job  
aquidneck : 11/16/2015 9:40 am : link
I reserve my right as a fan to let the season play out. And the coach deserves the right to coach all the way through to the finish.

I hope we continue to get better and make the playoffs playing our best football.

Who knows? Maybe Coughlin retires in the off-season. Give him a chance to coach in the here and now.
The biggest factor in whether or not TC stays or goes  
BlueHurricane : 11/16/2015 9:41 am : link
Is Eli. How could you possibly blow this staff up with Eli performing at his highest level ever all the while having only one receiver and no TE's?

TC and Eli should be handcuffed together until Eli calls it a career.
As long as  
Ginny Poo : 11/16/2015 9:41 am : link
Eli is upright the Giants have a chance to win.
I agree Britt with one exception...Quinn.  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 11/16/2015 9:41 am : link
His special teams unit continue to cost us...twice now in the last three games our punt coverage team has had a direct impact on a loss.

I think Spags is doing a hell of a job on a D that is woefully talent starved. I mean if Collins just catches the GD ball and doesn't jump (he didn't need to) it is game over.

We will rue the day when Tom leaves. I have wondered why we did not run the ball late yesterday and take time off the clock and force NE to burn their timeouts etc but, to be honest, I thought we would get blown out so my complaint is very, very minor.
RE: whether or not this is Coughlin's best job  
Britt in VA : 11/16/2015 9:42 am : link
In comment 12626062 aquidneck said:
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I reserve my right as a fan to let the season play out. And the coach deserves the right to coach all the way through to the finish.

I hope we continue to get better and make the playoffs playing our best football.

Who knows? Maybe Coughlin retires in the off-season. Give him a chance to coach in the here and now.


Yeah, I should have said "one of his finest jobs (which I believe it to be)", since we still have a lot of football to play.
Coughlin did very poorly in week one  
Go Terps : 11/16/2015 9:42 am : link
He has to answer for that, but otherwise I don't believe he's done a bad job this year. I don't think it's been a great year for him either though...I wouldn't go that far.

Still games left to play though.
Coaching  
joeinpa : 11/16/2015 9:43 am : link
hasn't been the problem, other than in Dallas at the end of the game.

Yesterday as with Saints, Falcons....Giants got to the point where one more play would win the game, they never made that play. It happens with teams that are not yet good enough to win.

Giants of the early Phil Simms era were very similar.

Giants are in the hunt for the NFC East, for now that has to be enough. They probably should be 6-4, because that Dallas game was won, but that is it.
RE: It can be argued (without being accused of homerism)  
Big Blue '56 : 11/16/2015 9:44 am : link
In comment 12626008 Big Blue '56 said:
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that this is TC's best job since coming here despite some screw-ups, imv


Let me amend that to ONE OF
I think this is accurate..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2015 9:45 am : link
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Coughlin did very poorly in week one
Go Terps : 9:42 am : link : reply
He has to answer for that, but otherwise I don't believe he's done a bad job this year. I don't think it's been a great year for him either though...I wouldn't go that far.

Still games left to play though.


Not terrible, not great. Just like almost every other team, there have been mistakes made and good calls. We are a first place team who, as much as we moan about missed opportunities, have made less mistakes than our division rivals.
Seems to me that Belicheck was dealing with issues as large, or larger  
Bob in Newburgh : 11/16/2015 9:48 am : link
than we have.

BB is the standard, and TC comes up way short in this comparison.
Additionally,  
Rob in CT/NYC : 11/16/2015 9:50 am : link
Fans don't are pretty consistently wrong about most issues in the medium and long-term, being too focused on the short-term and tend to be reluctant to give credit (good job by Britt on this thread) and quick to blame.

Case in point - how wrong were BBIers about Schwartz and Harris this offseason? Trading for Wing was a waste of a pick. And yet Reese needs to be crucified because of Beason. He finds Kennard late, etc, etc.
After this game,  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/16/2015 9:50 am : link
If you don't think TC is an elite coach in terms of preparation and game planning, you will never be convinced otherwise. He outcoached Belichek and it took bad execution from Beckham, Harris, Collins and Casillas to lose the game.
RE: RE: What is also clear  
Chef : 11/16/2015 9:50 am : link
In comment 12626055 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12626048 Rob in CT/NYC said:


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Is that very few "fans" watch other games and benefit from the perspective gained in doing so. Seattle has led every game this year going into the 4th quarter. Dallas (a team we should all follow closely) has lost an entire season to injuries, and yet the call for heads to roll because of our injuries mount.

The Packers have looked awful in recent weeks.




Excellent post Rob


This is more of a rationalization to me..look at others mistakes, misfortunes, etc to make yourself feel good. Because others fail as well we should be more ok with it...
agreed with the thread premise coachng well  
idiotsavant : 11/16/2015 9:52 am : link
satisfied with coaching.

Now- the offseason picture is becoming clearer:

Free Agency - A) right tackle, B) slot wr

(good news- Tie, Cunningham, White, Harris and Randle are puzzle pieces, prince will be back)

Draft - mostly defense:

1. DL
2. DL
3. DB FS
4. DB FS/Zone CB
5. LB / ST / CB
6. LB/C/G/CB/TE/FB
7. FB/TE
I think the Giants have been totally entertaining this year  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/16/2015 9:55 am : link
Coaching - Game plan has mostly been phenomenal

Level of play has been inconsistent with flashes of real power

The Giants may really only be another draft and a handful of FAs away from becoming a real contender

You have to like what Jasper Brinkley is doing
He's far better than Unga and growing into a real find

The Giants gave the Patriots a real game of it last night -- I was really proud of them -- the Pats barely scraped a win out -- 99.9% of the world expected the Giants to lose -- the Pats do not want to see the Giants in the Superbowl -- I guarantee you that -- there are a lot of comparisons that can be made to the 2007 season this year -- a lot, a lot -- ask yourself are you mad that the Giants lost even though you believed they would -- or upset because they proved they could win despite what you thought and had you believing that they could win and lost anyway


sht, even Kuhn  
idiotsavant : 11/16/2015 9:55 am : link
had his moments last night
RE: The biggest factor in whether or not TC stays or goes  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/16/2015 9:55 am : link
In comment 12626063 BlueHurricane said:
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Is Eli. How could you possibly blow this staff up with Eli performing at his highest level ever all the while having only one receiver and no TE's?

TC and Eli should be handcuffed together until Eli calls it a career.


this times a million
RE: It can be argued (without being accused of homerism)  
chris r : 11/16/2015 9:55 am : link
In comment 12626008 Big Blue '56 said:
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that this is TC's best job since coming here despite some screw-ups, imv


So you admit Reese hasn't put together a very talented roster?
I think they're doing a good job  
jeff57 : 11/16/2015 9:56 am : link
Because, especially with the injuries, there's not a lot of talent on this team.
The defense is coming around, so Spags deserves a lot of credit  
Section331 : 11/16/2015 9:57 am : link
as well. He really had dogshit to work with early on, now when Prince gets back, this D could be pretty good.

TC has done a great job preventing any dissension. A couple of those early losses could have had guys bickering.
RE: It can be argued (without being accused of homerism)  
Mike in ramapo college : 11/16/2015 9:59 am : link
In comment 12626008 Big Blue '56 said:
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that this is TC's best job since coming here despite some screw-ups, imv


100% agree. If the season continues in this fashion, this is his best coaching job in his tenure with the Giants.
RE: RE: It can be argued (without being accused of homerism)  
dorgan : 11/16/2015 10:01 am : link
In comment 12626155 chris r said:
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In comment 12626008 Big Blue '56 said:


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that this is TC's best job since coming here despite some screw-ups, imv



So you admit Reese hasn't put together a very talented roster?


I'm curious.

How does it feel to know that everyone holdw you in contempt on this board?
You get some kind of perverse thrill out of that?

RE: RE: RE: What is also clear  
Rob in CT/NYC : 11/16/2015 10:03 am : link
In comment 12626115 Chef said:
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In comment 12626055 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 12626048 Rob in CT/NYC said:


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Is that very few "fans" watch other games and benefit from the perspective gained in doing so. Seattle has led every game this year going into the 4th quarter. Dallas (a team we should all follow closely) has lost an entire season to injuries, and yet the call for heads to roll because of our injuries mount.

The Packers have looked awful in recent weeks.




Excellent post Rob



This is more of a rationalization to me..look at others mistakes, misfortunes, etc to make yourself feel good. Because others fail as well we should be more ok with it...


Incorrect - it's called perspective and an appreciation for the reality of play around the league.
RE: Coughlin did very poorly in week one  
jcn56 : 11/16/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12626070 Go Terps said:
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He has to answer for that, but otherwise I don't believe he's done a bad job this year. I don't think it's been a great year for him either though...I wouldn't go that far.

Still games left to play though.


Same view here - I think Coughlin misplayed the Dallas game, and could have done better against Atlanta.

Yesterday - I think the players were put into position to win, and that's what you ask of a coach. I do think that time management could have been a bit better, but that's a hindsight type criticism, not a glaring oversight.

What I want to know is what happened in that Philly game. We opened up looking good, and went right into the toilet. I don't think it's as simple as people make it out, 'talent', since we could have beaten the Pats with one or two more plays. Philly has our number recently, and the matchups haven't always been in their favor.
O.P. _ I totally agree with you.  
short lease : 11/16/2015 10:14 am : link
At this point - we have the back-ups to our back-ups playing and TC has them prepared and ready to go. I don't understand all the criticism. Is slamming the coach (especially an older one) - just an easy out?
Agreed Britt....  
BillKo : 11/16/2015 10:17 am : link
other than the first Dallas game's ending, I think they are getting just about every ounce that they can from the talent.

We are 5-5 and that's probably right where we should be.
You can complain about the staff and its decisions  
jvm52106 : 11/16/2015 10:20 am : link
and still be a fan and happy with team overall. TC is not blameless. The clock management stuff is getting pretty pathetic. You don't have to be "all-in" on backing or blaming, it can be a bit of both.

When the opposing team has 1 TO left and the clock is stopped at 2:10 the next play should be a run to get them to use that TO or let the clock run to the 2 minute warning. The funny thing is, a TD there would have helped a lot but it actually still would have left NE with a ton of time, the 2 minute warning plus a TO..

A run makes the Pats use either their TO or the 2 minute time out, assuming we don't score. At that point the Giants can decide to I run a pass play here after the TO or 2 minute time out or do I run the ball and make that second stoppage happen?

For me I would have run something wide to the right side with the instructions no matter what do not go out of bounds. That takes up the most time and gets that TO or 2 minute warning out of the Patriots bag. The next down would be another running play to either use the remaining TO or the 2 minute warning. After the 2 minute warning I run the ball again up the middle. We either score a TD there, and now Pats have no time outs or we now run a ton of time off the clock and make the Pats have to scramble to get in FG range with no clock stoppages left.

Yes, Giants played better than expected and yes TC has them "UP" for the game, whatever that means. But, you can't give games away by mismanaging the clock and get a pat on the back with a "well Done" message...
..  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/16/2015 10:21 am : link
Rookie LT, a kick returner as our #2, our real#2 hurt with tendinitis all year, prince missing half the season to date, our true LT out for the year, middle linebacker out for most of the year, best DT out for half the season, star DE out for half the year blowing up his hand, safeties dropping like flies all training camp, no tight end (current starting te u drafted out of stonybrook) no real viable running threat, no depth at several positions including corner. And still in first place while having leads in every game all year minus one in the fourth quarter...

And they want to fire the coach?! This is probably the best job Tom has done in years with this group. And if some of you are comfortable changing a system that has provided Eli's 2 best seasons to date (maybe outside of 2011) then I think you need your head examined.
I definitely do not think they are doing a bad job  
Essex : 11/16/2015 10:22 am : link
But I don't think they are doing a stellar job, either. We have beat the teams we should beat (besides the Saints) and a coaching staff should be given credit for that since that is not always the case in this league. With that said, we seem to only be able to beat teams with shaky QBs or teams with significant Injuries at skill positions--the Bills had McCoy and Watkins out, the Cowboys Romo and Bryant were out, we beat Winston, Cousins, and a benched Kaepernick. So, I don't want to go to crazy because we beat bad teams the last two years

On the other hand, we have been competitive in every game except the Eagles game, and have faced good QBs in some of those game such as Romo, Brees, Brady, and Ryan. I feel our time management hurt us significantly against the Cowboys and Saints, and marginally so against the Falcons. And, while I think our coaching staff should be complented for having us win games that we should win (because in the modern NFL there are always upsets) by the same token our coaching staff should take the blame for not getting wins against teams better than us. That has been our problem since Pitt game in 2012 and while we are more competitive against these teams this year (unlike the blowouts of 12, 13, 14), we still are not registering the wins and that is a problem. You need to get a couple of wins in games that you shouldn't win, especially at home.

So, my point is we are 5-5, and let's see how the season finished before we make any grand conclusions. I think there could be an argument that the coaching and team are improving, I just think we need to see the final six games to figure out if it's accurate or not.
I've wanted a change, but  
oldutican : 11/16/2015 10:26 am : link
believe the team has probably played to its max. It's very hard for a fan to really assess how coaching plays in this. The other 2 big things about this season are the great play from Eli and the inability to execute at the close of games. Can you blame the latter on coaching? I don't know.
RE: RE: Coughlin did very poorly in week one  
Big Blue '56 : 11/16/2015 10:27 am : link
In comment 12626233 jcn56 said:
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In comment 12626070 Go Terps said:


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He has to answer for that, but otherwise I don't believe he's done a bad job this year. I don't think it's been a great year for him either though...I wouldn't go that far.

Still games left to play though.



Same view here - I think Coughlin misplayed the Dallas game, and could have done better against Atlanta.

Yesterday - I think the players were put into position to win, and that's what you ask of a coach. I do think that time management could have been a bit better, but that's a hindsight type criticism, not a glaring oversight.

What I want to know is what happened in that Philly game. We opened up looking good, and went right into the toilet. I don't think it's as simple as people make it out, 'talent', since we could have beaten the Pats with one or two more plays. Philly has our number recently, and the matchups haven't always been in their favor.


I think it's simply the 1-2 games a year that most teams completely shit the bed in..Otherwise, makes no sense to me. But to be fair, we were extremely close to making it 10 or 14-0..I have to believe the game would have been much different had we gone up by that.
TC supporter since the day he was hired  
HomerJones45 : 11/16/2015 10:29 am : link
don't get involved in defending him from the detractors because I know he's have three offers on his desk the next morning if the Giants were dumb enough to let him go.
My biggest fear with this team  
antdog24 : 11/16/2015 10:29 am : link
is that we don't end up in the playoffs and they fire the coaching staff. I'm not sure there is a better option than what we currently have, who is going to make chicken salad out of chicken shit like TC has so far this year? Look at how well our defense, which has been pretty pathetic, stepped up to the plate. This team is overacheiving right now and that points to coaching.
I'm not quite as ebullient as you about the staff  
lawguy9801 : 11/16/2015 10:33 am : link
but I agree that the team was ready to play yesterday. The result was a result of the miniscule things that, in this league, can separate a 9-0 team from a 5-5 team.
RE: My biggest fear with this team  
Essex : 11/16/2015 10:34 am : link
In comment 12626337 antdog24 said:
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is that we don't end up in the playoffs and they fire the coaching staff. I'm not sure there is a better option than what we currently have, who is going to make chicken salad out of chicken shit like TC has so far this year? Look at how well our defense, which has been pretty pathetic, stepped up to the plate. This team is overacheiving right now and that points to coaching.

And here my biggest fear is not making the playoffs in this NFL four years in a row with a franchise QB. Eli will be gone or decline in the next four to five years and we might be back with guys like Graham, Brown, and Kannel. I don't want to get into who is to blame for that, whether it be Reese or TC, but if you have a QB of Eli's ability and can't make the playoffs for four years and 6 of 7, there is some problem that needs to be addressed.
RE: It can be argued (without being accused of homerism)  
shabu : 11/16/2015 10:34 am : link
In comment 12626008 Big Blue '56 said:
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that this is TC's best job since coming here despite some screw-ups, imv


Agreed. TC has done a great job with this group and Spags has with the defense.

Now if only they can hire someone to manage clock for TC lol
Love this post, Britt!  
exiled : 11/16/2015 10:35 am : link
Couldn't agree more.
I don't know if ebullient is the word....  
Britt in VA : 11/16/2015 10:36 am : link
It's just a feeling that I've had, that's been building since the beginning of the season.

The fight in the team has been impressive, in wins and losses.

It would have been really easy to go in the tank after a lot of games this year, and they have a TON of excuses, but they don't quit.
Very good  
Joeguido : 11/16/2015 10:36 am : link
post.
RE: I don't know if ebullient is the word....  
Essex : 11/16/2015 10:40 am : link
In comment 12626372 Britt in VA said:
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It's just a feeling that I've had, that's been building since the beginning of the season.

The fight in the team has been impressive, in wins and losses.

It would have been really easy to go in the tank after a lot of games this year, and they have a TON of excuses, but they don't quit.


But they really have never quit under Coughlin, the last two season demonstrate that. The one year where I thought they may have quit was in 06 after the Saints game, but then they came back and won in Washington and played a great playoff game in a losing effort against Philly. Besides that, I think one of TC's greatest strengths is keeping his teams from throwing in the towel. With that said, the record is what it is. One or two years, no big deal, but if we don't make it this year, that is four years and six of seven. I cant go and praise them yet. They need to cash in and make the playoffs.
RE: RE: I don't know if ebullient is the word....  
Britt in VA : 11/16/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12626398 Essex said:
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It's just a feeling that I've had, that's been building since the beginning of the season.

The fight in the team has been impressive, in wins and losses.

It would have been really easy to go in the tank after a lot of games this year, and they have a TON of excuses, but they don't quit.



But they really have never quit under Coughlin...


And that is a major testament to him, because these past three seasons have been hard to even sit through as a fan, let alone actually play and live them, I imagine.
What is concerning..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2015 10:46 am : link
is finishing the games. They simply have to get better at closing teams out, which is difficult when their D has trouble stopping teams.

Part of it is coaching and part is execution and there's a fine line there that most teams in the NFL have to tread on. You can make reasonable claims that clock management is to blame but there are also reasonable arguments that execution has been poor. Really, it comes down to a lot of factors being at fault. If players make plays, if refs catch obvious fouls and if the coaches do everything perfectly, the team is undefeated. But nobody in the NFL is perfect - and that includes the Pats.

I'd say that given the injuries to key players and the competitiveness of the games that TC is doing a good job. It boggles my mind that immediately following the game yesterday there were several threads calling for him to be fired.

Moronic.
RE: Seems to me that Belicheck was dealing with issues as large, or larger  
giantgiantfan : 11/16/2015 10:53 am : link
In comment 12626104 Bob in Newburgh said:
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than we have.

BB is the standard, and TC comes up way short in this comparison.


Except head to head in Super Bowls. And in the regular season its 1-2, overall 3-2, but might as well be 300-2 TC cause 2 of those are SBs babY!
Like Fatman Said  
RollBlue : 11/16/2015 10:54 am : link
lots of factors have played into the late losses, including mind boggling missed calls by the officials. Problem I have with TC is that, in the 11 years he's been coach, he's had one season where the team was consistent, 2008, until Plax shot himself. People need to stop with the lack of talent argument. He's got an elite QB and WR. I still think a better coached team is 8-2, not 5-5. Having said that, if TC retires, they can certainly do worse. I highly doubt there will be three offers on his desk the next morning if the season doesn't end well - I hope we don't find out. Right now I still think they win the division. If they do that, anything can happen in the playoffs, as we have witnessed in the past.
I do owe TC an apology  
old man : 11/16/2015 11:08 am : link
Ranted about 'if he signed off' on the pass to OBJ as a plan given the time/NE timeouyts remaining/other factors.
I did not know it was a run but Eli audibled.
TC and the staff had the team perfectly prepared yesterday  
Torrag : 11/16/2015 11:10 am : link
Give credit where credit is due.

That doesn't excuse them from directly contributing to multiple from the sidelines in previous games.

If this team doesn't go on to earn a playoff birth everyone in the organization will have contributed in a negative way. That includes the players, staff and front office.

The silver lining is we control our own destiny. Dallas is dead and buried. Philly has as many problems or more with their QB banged up. The playoffs are still there for the taking.

We can only hope our team is going to learn from these missed opportunities and discover a killer instinct. An ability to put away opponents we have on the ropes that we have sorely lacked this season.

The bye week comes at a good time to lick our wounds and regroup after yet another kick in the 'nads loss. It appears we will get some injury reinforcements after the bye. Prince should be ready to return. Perhaps Cruz will actually play football again. JT Thomas is on the mend.

The Giants can still make a run if only because of dallas injury decimated year and the general suckitude of the division. It is what it is. Get the job done. Get Eli to the playoffs. The Playoffs. Where everything becomes possible.
Just saw the Cruz story  
Torrag : 11/16/2015 11:16 am : link
Guess he isn't going to contribute a lick this season.
quite agree  
federer70 : 11/16/2015 11:16 am : link
really wouldn't blame the coaching for any of the losses - folks are in a position to make plays and they need to make them. we have obviously made them in our wins (e.g., 49ers, cowboys, skins, etc); but they haven't in our losses. it is what it is. we are a relatively young team that makes big mistakes and we are of course forced to rely on these young folks to win games (e.g., odb, collins, flowers, pugh, the rookie mlb, etc); but hopefully these young folks will mature and stop making big mistakes and came win these upcoming close games (e.g., minny, etc). highly doubting mia and skins are close, but of course never know with this team :-)
I completely agree.  
NYG4246 : 11/16/2015 11:17 am : link
where the Giants need to improve is the playcalling inside the 5...this is on mcadoo and his refusal to run the ball. I dont get it.

Coughlin always has this team in position to win, he cant go on the field to make plays..the talen level on the roster is dreadful, yet theyre in a good position....

plenty of season left, tom will clean it up and when this team gets to the playoffs it will be trouble.
The team is definitely fighting for him  
BeerFridge : 11/16/2015 11:20 am : link
But jesus there have been some dumb plays and decisions. Leaving that much time ion the clock last night is one of them.
RE: I completely agree.  
Devon : 11/16/2015 11:24 am : link
In comment 12626585 NYG4246 said:
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where the Giants need to improve is the playcalling inside the 5...this is on mcadoo and his refusal to run the ball. I dont get it. [/b]


This is nonsense.

The Giants HAVE tried to run the ball this year inside the five/ten and they've just flat out stunk at it. Their dedication to it is frankly the biggest statistical culprit for their RZ woes.

When they want to actually score a TD down there, their best chance is via the pass -- which is, regardless of whether people agree about going for it or not at the expense of the clock in that situation, what they were doing on that finale drive and would have accomplished had Beckham held onto the ball.
Britt  
cosmicj : 11/16/2015 12:39 pm : link
100% agreed. I also want to praise Spags, who is (most of the time) fielding a competitive unit without any sort of pass rush and significant talent deficiencies at about half the positions. I mean, how do you slow down Brady and the Pats offense without even a quasi-reliable pass rush and #28 starting at one CB position. You tell me that about a D and I would expect the Pats to hang 40 on them.

That doesn't mean that criticism of specific decisions aren't warranted. There have been some major mistakes. But TC and crew are doing a great job and the team is playing with purpose and commitment.

Coughlin and his coordinators will be back next season.
I agree that they've gotten the most out of these players,  
Simms11 : 11/16/2015 12:58 pm : link
however, time management is still an issue and it's quite perplexing given the experience of TC and his staff. Time management has cost us a few games this year. Maybe TC needs a time management guy whispering in his ear in the 4th quarter?

I do agree however, barring a collapse by this team, that TC and staff will probably be back for another go, at least for one more year.
RE: I agree Britt with one exception...Quinn.  
rickrossa : 11/16/2015 5:25 pm : link
In comment 12626066 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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His special teams unit continue to cost us...twice now in the last three games our punt coverage team has had a direct impact on a loss.

I think Spags is doing a hell of a job on a D that is woefully talent starved. I mean if Collins just catches the GD ball and doesn't jump (he didn't need to) it is game over.

We will rue the day when Tom leaves. I have wondered why we did not run the ball late yesterday and take time off the clock and force NE to burn their timeouts etc but, to be honest, I thought we would get blown out so my complaint is very, very minor.


How is it the coaches fault that the players did not execute? And we would not have beaten Dallas without the Kick return for TD.
I can't say I agree with the overall premise here.  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/16/2015 5:25 pm : link
But I totally agree about last night. The coaching staff did a tremendous job and multiple players didn't execute when it counted most.
Considering how much of our cap  
RB^2 : 11/16/2015 5:37 pm : link
Isn't actually on the field playing, it's hard for me to fault Coughlin. On the other hand, coaching is responsible for a lot of things and the clock management/end of games seems to be a chronic issue that needs to be fixed.

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