are coaching their asses off, elevating the play of the team WAY above the talent level of the roster. In fact, it might be one of his finest jobs.
Last night, in no way, shape, or form was about coaching. The players did not make the plays (that were absolutely there) to win the game. Period.
A lot of you seem to see it as Coughlin blowing 3-4 games, while I see it as Coughlin having us competitive in a couple of games we had no business being competitive in.
It's so weird, everybody talks about what a shitty roster we have (myself included), and how we're going to get blown out and be non competitive in this game, or that game... But the truth is, minus the Eagles game, we've been competitive in EVERY game, despite enormous injuries, despite a talent deficiency.... Despite a lot of things. We have a shitty defense, a shitty O-line, one consistently good WR (key word consistently), and we're still 5-5 and in first place heading into the bye.
I don't know what some of you guys want. You predict we're going to be blown out every week as if it's an afterthought, and then get upset when we barely get beat in a highly competitive game.
I think Coughlin and his staff have done an excellent job this year, and I think some of you are looking for reasons each week to put his head on a pike.
I get that part.
The other aspect of this is you have a concerted effort by a few posters who are most likely dupes and trolls to bash TC and Reese incessantly, whether it be in game threads or in matters even unrelated to either the coach or GM, which makes actual discussion of the strategies nearly impossible to have here.
It really is about 4 or 5 handles that are making things miserable here and it is a huge problem whether people want to acknowledge it or not.
It is one thing to have another team beat you and it is a totally different thing to feel like you beat yourself and most of our wins this year feel like we beat ourselves. That is what is getting fans riled up.
1. Brett in VA thinks Giants have no talent
2. Giants play very well despite throwing away games late
3. Brett in VA can't admit he is wrong about the lack of talent.
4. So, the only alternative is to claim Coughlin is doing an amazing job getting a no talent roster to play way above its skill level.
You are not the only one. There are about three dozen of you who post constantly and who can't admit you were wrong about your team..
Occam's Razor: the simplest solution is best. Simple answer: the Giants are a good team. They just have to learn to finish like a lot of teams with a young core
I don't think we're that far away.
Well, that's being a Giants fan. I suffered through those in the 80's and 90's and after 17 years it made 2007 and 2011 that much sweeter.
1. Brett in VA thinks Giants have no talent
2. Giants play very well despite throwing away games late
3. Brett in VA can't admit he is wrong about the lack of talent.
4. So, the only alternative is to claim Coughlin is doing an amazing job getting a no talent roster to play way above its skill level.
You are not the only one. There are about three dozen of you who post constantly and who can't admit you were wrong about your team..
Occam's Razor: the simplest solution is best. Simple answer: the Giants are a good team. They just have to learn to finish like a lot of teams with a young core
Seems like circular logic with an agenda to me
1. Brett in VA thinks Giants have no talent
2. Giants play very well despite throwing away games late
3. Brett in VA can't admit he is wrong about the lack of talent.
4. So, the only alternative is to claim Coughlin is doing an amazing job getting a no talent roster to play way above its skill level.
You are not the only one. There are about three dozen of you who post constantly and who can't admit you were wrong about your team..
Occam's Razor: the simplest solution is best. Simple answer: the Giants are a good team. They just have to learn to finish like a lot of teams with a young core
Seems like circular logic with an agenda to me
The Packers have looked awful in recent weeks.
The Packers have looked awful in recent weeks.
Excellent post Rob
I hope we continue to get better and make the playoffs playing our best football.
Who knows? Maybe Coughlin retires in the off-season. Give him a chance to coach in the here and now.
TC and Eli should be handcuffed together until Eli calls it a career.
I think Spags is doing a hell of a job on a D that is woefully talent starved. I mean if Collins just catches the GD ball and doesn't jump (he didn't need to) it is game over.
We will rue the day when Tom leaves. I have wondered why we did not run the ball late yesterday and take time off the clock and force NE to burn their timeouts etc but, to be honest, I thought we would get blown out so my complaint is very, very minor.
I hope we continue to get better and make the playoffs playing our best football.
Who knows? Maybe Coughlin retires in the off-season. Give him a chance to coach in the here and now.
Yeah, I should have said "one of his finest jobs (which I believe it to be)", since we still have a lot of football to play.
Still games left to play though.
Yesterday as with Saints, Falcons....Giants got to the point where one more play would win the game, they never made that play. It happens with teams that are not yet good enough to win.
Giants of the early Phil Simms era were very similar.
Giants are in the hunt for the NFC East, for now that has to be enough. They probably should be 6-4, because that Dallas game was won, but that is it.
Let me amend that to ONE OF
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He has to answer for that, but otherwise I don't believe he's done a bad job this year. I don't think it's been a great year for him either though...I wouldn't go that far.
Still games left to play though.
Not terrible, not great. Just like almost every other team, there have been mistakes made and good calls. We are a first place team who, as much as we moan about missed opportunities, have made less mistakes than our division rivals.
BB is the standard, and TC comes up way short in this comparison.
Case in point - how wrong were BBIers about Schwartz and Harris this offseason? Trading for Wing was a waste of a pick. And yet Reese needs to be crucified because of Beason. He finds Kennard late, etc, etc.
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Is that very few "fans" watch other games and benefit from the perspective gained in doing so. Seattle has led every game this year going into the 4th quarter. Dallas (a team we should all follow closely) has lost an entire season to injuries, and yet the call for heads to roll because of our injuries mount.
The Packers have looked awful in recent weeks.
Excellent post Rob
This is more of a rationalization to me..look at others mistakes, misfortunes, etc to make yourself feel good. Because others fail as well we should be more ok with it...
Now- the offseason picture is becoming clearer:
Free Agency - A) right tackle, B) slot wr
(good news- Tie, Cunningham, White, Harris and Randle are puzzle pieces, prince will be back)
Draft - mostly defense:
1. DL
2. DL
3. DB FS
4. DB FS/Zone CB
5. LB / ST / CB
6. LB/C/G/CB/TE/FB
7. FB/TE
Level of play has been inconsistent with flashes of real power
The Giants may really only be another draft and a handful of FAs away from becoming a real contender
You have to like what Jasper Brinkley is doing
He's far better than Unga and growing into a real find
The Giants gave the Patriots a real game of it last night -- I was really proud of them -- the Pats barely scraped a win out -- 99.9% of the world expected the Giants to lose -- the Pats do not want to see the Giants in the Superbowl -- I guarantee you that -- there are a lot of comparisons that can be made to the 2007 season this year -- a lot, a lot -- ask yourself are you mad that the Giants lost even though you believed they would -- or upset because they proved they could win despite what you thought and had you believing that they could win and lost anyway
TC and Eli should be handcuffed together until Eli calls it a career.
this times a million
So you admit Reese hasn't put together a very talented roster?
TC has done a great job preventing any dissension. A couple of those early losses could have had guys bickering.
100% agree. If the season continues in this fashion, this is his best coaching job in his tenure with the Giants.
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that this is TC's best job since coming here despite some screw-ups, imv
So you admit Reese hasn't put together a very talented roster?
I'm curious.
How does it feel to know that everyone holdw you in contempt on this board?
You get some kind of perverse thrill out of that?
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Is that very few "fans" watch other games and benefit from the perspective gained in doing so. Seattle has led every game this year going into the 4th quarter. Dallas (a team we should all follow closely) has lost an entire season to injuries, and yet the call for heads to roll because of our injuries mount.
The Packers have looked awful in recent weeks.
Excellent post Rob
This is more of a rationalization to me..look at others mistakes, misfortunes, etc to make yourself feel good. Because others fail as well we should be more ok with it...
Incorrect - it's called perspective and an appreciation for the reality of play around the league.
Still games left to play though.
Same view here - I think Coughlin misplayed the Dallas game, and could have done better against Atlanta.
Yesterday - I think the players were put into position to win, and that's what you ask of a coach. I do think that time management could have been a bit better, but that's a hindsight type criticism, not a glaring oversight.
What I want to know is what happened in that Philly game. We opened up looking good, and went right into the toilet. I don't think it's as simple as people make it out, 'talent', since we could have beaten the Pats with one or two more plays. Philly has our number recently, and the matchups haven't always been in their favor.
We are 5-5 and that's probably right where we should be.
When the opposing team has 1 TO left and the clock is stopped at 2:10 the next play should be a run to get them to use that TO or let the clock run to the 2 minute warning. The funny thing is, a TD there would have helped a lot but it actually still would have left NE with a ton of time, the 2 minute warning plus a TO..
A run makes the Pats use either their TO or the 2 minute time out, assuming we don't score. At that point the Giants can decide to I run a pass play here after the TO or 2 minute time out or do I run the ball and make that second stoppage happen?
For me I would have run something wide to the right side with the instructions no matter what do not go out of bounds. That takes up the most time and gets that TO or 2 minute warning out of the Patriots bag. The next down would be another running play to either use the remaining TO or the 2 minute warning. After the 2 minute warning I run the ball again up the middle. We either score a TD there, and now Pats have no time outs or we now run a ton of time off the clock and make the Pats have to scramble to get in FG range with no clock stoppages left.
Yes, Giants played better than expected and yes TC has them "UP" for the game, whatever that means. But, you can't give games away by mismanaging the clock and get a pat on the back with a "well Done" message...
And they want to fire the coach?! This is probably the best job Tom has done in years with this group. And if some of you are comfortable changing a system that has provided Eli's 2 best seasons to date (maybe outside of 2011) then I think you need your head examined.
On the other hand, we have been competitive in every game except the Eagles game, and have faced good QBs in some of those game such as Romo, Brees, Brady, and Ryan. I feel our time management hurt us significantly against the Cowboys and Saints, and marginally so against the Falcons. And, while I think our coaching staff should be complented for having us win games that we should win (because in the modern NFL there are always upsets) by the same token our coaching staff should take the blame for not getting wins against teams better than us. That has been our problem since Pitt game in 2012 and while we are more competitive against these teams this year (unlike the blowouts of 12, 13, 14), we still are not registering the wins and that is a problem. You need to get a couple of wins in games that you shouldn't win, especially at home.
So, my point is we are 5-5, and let's see how the season finished before we make any grand conclusions. I think there could be an argument that the coaching and team are improving, I just think we need to see the final six games to figure out if it's accurate or not.
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He has to answer for that, but otherwise I don't believe he's done a bad job this year. I don't think it's been a great year for him either though...I wouldn't go that far.
Still games left to play though.
Same view here - I think Coughlin misplayed the Dallas game, and could have done better against Atlanta.
Yesterday - I think the players were put into position to win, and that's what you ask of a coach. I do think that time management could have been a bit better, but that's a hindsight type criticism, not a glaring oversight.
What I want to know is what happened in that Philly game. We opened up looking good, and went right into the toilet. I don't think it's as simple as people make it out, 'talent', since we could have beaten the Pats with one or two more plays. Philly has our number recently, and the matchups haven't always been in their favor.
I think it's simply the 1-2 games a year that most teams completely shit the bed in..Otherwise, makes no sense to me. But to be fair, we were extremely close to making it 10 or 14-0..I have to believe the game would have been much different had we gone up by that.
And here my biggest fear is not making the playoffs in this NFL four years in a row with a franchise QB. Eli will be gone or decline in the next four to five years and we might be back with guys like Graham, Brown, and Kannel. I don't want to get into who is to blame for that, whether it be Reese or TC, but if you have a QB of Eli's ability and can't make the playoffs for four years and 6 of 7, there is some problem that needs to be addressed.
Agreed. TC has done a great job with this group and Spags has with the defense.
Now if only they can hire someone to manage clock for TC lol
The fight in the team has been impressive, in wins and losses.
It would have been really easy to go in the tank after a lot of games this year, and they have a TON of excuses, but they don't quit.
The fight in the team has been impressive, in wins and losses.
It would have been really easy to go in the tank after a lot of games this year, and they have a TON of excuses, but they don't quit.
But they really have never quit under Coughlin, the last two season demonstrate that. The one year where I thought they may have quit was in 06 after the Saints game, but then they came back and won in Washington and played a great playoff game in a losing effort against Philly. Besides that, I think one of TC's greatest strengths is keeping his teams from throwing in the towel. With that said, the record is what it is. One or two years, no big deal, but if we don't make it this year, that is four years and six of seven. I cant go and praise them yet. They need to cash in and make the playoffs.
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It's just a feeling that I've had, that's been building since the beginning of the season.
The fight in the team has been impressive, in wins and losses.
It would have been really easy to go in the tank after a lot of games this year, and they have a TON of excuses, but they don't quit.
But they really have never quit under Coughlin...
And that is a major testament to him, because these past three seasons have been hard to even sit through as a fan, let alone actually play and live them, I imagine.
Part of it is coaching and part is execution and there's a fine line there that most teams in the NFL have to tread on. You can make reasonable claims that clock management is to blame but there are also reasonable arguments that execution has been poor. Really, it comes down to a lot of factors being at fault. If players make plays, if refs catch obvious fouls and if the coaches do everything perfectly, the team is undefeated. But nobody in the NFL is perfect - and that includes the Pats.
I'd say that given the injuries to key players and the competitiveness of the games that TC is doing a good job. It boggles my mind that immediately following the game yesterday there were several threads calling for him to be fired.
Moronic.
BB is the standard, and TC comes up way short in this comparison.
Except head to head in Super Bowls. And in the regular season its 1-2, overall 3-2, but might as well be 300-2 TC cause 2 of those are SBs babY!
I did not know it was a run but Eli audibled.
That doesn't excuse them from directly contributing to multiple from the sidelines in previous games.
If this team doesn't go on to earn a playoff birth everyone in the organization will have contributed in a negative way. That includes the players, staff and front office.
The silver lining is we control our own destiny. Dallas is dead and buried. Philly has as many problems or more with their QB banged up. The playoffs are still there for the taking.
We can only hope our team is going to learn from these missed opportunities and discover a killer instinct. An ability to put away opponents we have on the ropes that we have sorely lacked this season.
The bye week comes at a good time to lick our wounds and regroup after yet another kick in the 'nads loss. It appears we will get some injury reinforcements after the bye. Prince should be ready to return. Perhaps Cruz will actually play football again. JT Thomas is on the mend.
The Giants can still make a run if only because of dallas injury decimated year and the general suckitude of the division. It is what it is. Get the job done. Get Eli to the playoffs. The Playoffs. Where everything becomes possible.
Coughlin always has this team in position to win, he cant go on the field to make plays..the talen level on the roster is dreadful, yet theyre in a good position....
plenty of season left, tom will clean it up and when this team gets to the playoffs it will be trouble.
This is nonsense.
The Giants HAVE tried to run the ball this year inside the five/ten and they've just flat out stunk at it. Their dedication to it is frankly the biggest statistical culprit for their RZ woes.
When they want to actually score a TD down there, their best chance is via the pass -- which is, regardless of whether people agree about going for it or not at the expense of the clock in that situation, what they were doing on that finale drive and would have accomplished had Beckham held onto the ball.
That doesn't mean that criticism of specific decisions aren't warranted. There have been some major mistakes. But TC and crew are doing a great job and the team is playing with purpose and commitment.
Coughlin and his coordinators will be back next season.
I do agree however, barring a collapse by this team, that TC and staff will probably be back for another go, at least for one more year.
I think Spags is doing a hell of a job on a D that is woefully talent starved. I mean if Collins just catches the GD ball and doesn't jump (he didn't need to) it is game over.
We will rue the day when Tom leaves. I have wondered why we did not run the ball late yesterday and take time off the clock and force NE to burn their timeouts etc but, to be honest, I thought we would get blown out so my complaint is very, very minor.
How is it the coaches fault that the players did not execute? And we would not have beaten Dallas without the Kick return for TD.