Is he still hurt or is he simply not good? Last year he seemed to be coming on but this year has been a complete letdown. He's only had one game with more than 5 receptions and one with 70+ yds (same game).
The #2 WR in our offense, behind a player like OBJ, sees a ton of single coverage and should be expected to go over 1,000 yds on an annual basis with at least 75 receptions. Randle, who's on pace for 62 rec for 760 yds, isn't going to come close to those numbers and I feel like it's one of the things that's truly holding back our passing offense from being one of the best in the league.
I know he had knee tendinitis earlier in the season but how much is that affecting his play? With Eli on pace to throw 615 passes (the most of his career), Randle's numbers are wayyyyyyy below expectations...so what's the deal?
Why do your posts suck? No offense?
Why do your posts suck? No offense?
Underperforming & sucking at synonymous in this instance. If you want me to qualify the title with "this season" then fine.
He'll probably hang around in the NFL another 3-4 years and finish his career with 300 receptions
boning, heh.
based on what?
- doesnt understand routes
- lazy in practice and benched for quarters
- he is hurt
At some point, cant we just assume he isnt very good? He made a great catch last week. But he ended up with 3 catches. He has always lacked explosion, but now he has a problem of getting open. For a guy his size, he should be able to use his body better.
There are some FA options.
based on what?
Based on the fact that we have pretty poor receiving TE's and average (at best) WR 3. With that many passing attempts you'd expect the WR 2 to have those kind of numbers.
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The #2 WR in our offense, behind a player like OBJ, sees a ton of single coverage and should be expected to go over 1,000 yds on an annual basis with at least 75 receptions.
based on what?
Based on the fact that we have pretty poor receiving TE's and average (at best) WR 3. With that many passing attempts you'd expect the WR 2 to have those kind of numbers.
Unless the TE's are so green that teams don't protect for them, and are free to cover the rest of the field.
I'll take that
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- doesnt understand routes
- lazy in practice and benched for quarters
- he is hurt
At some point, cant we just assume he isnt very good? He made a great catch last week. But he ended up with 3 catches. He has always lacked explosion, but now he has a problem of getting open. For a guy his size, he should be able to use his body better.
Agreed.
When there is always an excuse it is more likely that the player is simply not very good. Eli raises the play of his WR's and playing alongside a tilt the field type talent like OBJ should open up a torrent of chances.
I would say he is just average, but his mental errors over the years and whatnot bring him down even to below average. I hope the Giants can find a better option going forward.
Still can not get two plays from the heartbreak filled first ten game of this season. Randle not laying out and trying to make a play in NO, and Collins' dropped pik
That was a huge play, because the next play was a sack that took us out of FG range and we never got points.
I'll take that WR Stats - ( New Window )
I am not sure the stats tell the whole story. He has basically been a starter on a team with one of the best QB's in the game. This is also in a pass happy era. I am not expert but I think the Giants can do better.
Solid to me implies consistency and reliabilty. I think he lacks this quality. His best trait used to be he could stay on the field, a true feat with this squad, but now this year he is battling an injury.
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You guys suck for expecting more from a solid number two WR. He is ranked 33rd in total yardage for WR's so far this year.
I'll take that WR Stats - ( New Window )
I am not sure the stats tell the whole story. He has basically been a starter on a team with one of the best QB's in the game. This is also in a pass happy era. I am not expert but I think the Giants can do better.
Solid to me implies consistency and reliabilty. I think he lacks this quality. His best trait used to be he could stay on the field, a true feat with this squad, but now this year he is battling an injury.
He has played in every game this year.
I'll take that WR Stats - ( New Window )
Awful metric to use. Look at how many WR's both above and below him have missed multiple games and have already had their bye week!
I'll take that WR Stats - ( New Window )
If you use average yards per game, he drops all the way down to 49th!
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You guys suck for expecting more from a solid number two WR. He is ranked 33rd in total yardage for WR's so far this year.
I'll take that WR Stats - ( New Window )
If you use average yards per game, he drops all the way down to 49th!
You know who else sucks? Darrell Revis. Since 2009, he's averaging only 2 picks a year, and only three so far in 2015. How many is the average #1 CB in the league averaging? The Jets are overpaying him.
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You guys suck for expecting more from a solid number two WR. He is ranked 33rd in total yardage for WR's so far this year.
I'll take that WR Stats - ( New Window )
If you use average yards per game, he drops all the way down to 49th!
You know who else sucks? Darrell Revis. Since 2009, he's averaging only 2 picks a year, and only three so far in 2015. How many is the average #1 CB in the league averaging? The Jets are overpaying him.
I know you're being facetious but stats are obviously much harder to quantify for a DB than a WR. When evaluating a WR, their yds and rec's tell you much of the story. On the other hand, when a DB is great, there are usually fewer opportunities on their side of the field which obviously lead to lower int & tackle #'s. So while I'm sure you already know that, using your example to try and say "stats don't matter" is not accurate.
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You guys suck for expecting more from a solid number two WR. He is ranked 33rd in total yardage for WR's so far this year.
I'll take that WR Stats - ( New Window )
If you use average yards per game, he drops all the way down to 49th!
Which is the ball park you would expect a #2 WR to be, especially an injured one. Listen...I am not saying he is a world beater or that the Giants could not do better. But your expecting a #2 WR to provide #1 numbers. I expect a number two WR to produce as such...and he does.
I'm not oppose to bringing him back, I just don't know the details of his injuries or if he'll ever be healthy again.
I think they'll bring back either him or Cruz, but not both.
A mediocre team eats itself from the inside out. I don't hate having Randle out there. If anything, his "quiet" season I would think might help him fly under the radar. I just wish he wouldnt RAC backwards so much.
Some of you act like #2s like Steve Smith and Victor Cruz grow on trees.
A mediocre team eats itself from the inside out. I don't hate having Randle out there. If anything, his "quiet" season I would think might help him fly under the radar. I just wish he wouldnt RAC backwards so much.
Some of you act like #2s like Steve Smith and Victor Cruz grow on trees.
Nobody is asking for a Steve Smith or Victor Cruz. What about an Emmanuel Sanders, Erick Decker, Vincent Jackson (healthy), Randall Cobb (healthy), Golden Tate, Pierre Garcon, John Brown, Allen Hurns, Martavis Bryant, Michael Crabtree, Rishard Matthews, Brandon Cooks, Stevie Johnson...off the top of my head.
- He was the 63rd overall pick in the draft in the 2012 draft (so basically 3rd round)
Sure...He's taken a step back this year numbers-wise and hasn't been able to put up gaudy numbers. But, the numbers aren't that far off, he's been playing hurt and, oh yea - the season isn't over.
All in all, I think fans of this team -- with what's happened to Cruz, Nicks, Smith, etc., etc. over the years -- should appreciate these facts:
1) Randle has been active in EVERY GAME BUT 3 since he became a Giant. He was inactive 3 times in 2012. He's been active in 44 straight games.
2) At age 24, Randle has 170 catches (26th all-time NYG) for 2,322 receiving yards (24th all-time NYG) and 15 receiving TDs (31st all-time NYG)
3) Randle hasn't turned the ball over since 2013, after he fumbled 3 times that year and people were calling for him to be cut.
Respect? Guy is a millionaire already. I hope he sets the NFL on fie going forward and helps the Giants win. But, so far I think he has been a disappointing player through his career.
Also, if he is healthy enough to go, than that is that, using injuries as an excuse is not how champions are made. He even made that excuse as to why he did not grab that bomb in NO. He said if his hammy was good he would have had it. Maybe. But that fact he articulated it is a bad sign. Healthy enough to play, no one wants to here injury excuses. Think Eli has ever played hurt? Can not remember one excuse he has ever made and he always takes the blame as the QB. Randle looks the same to me as he always has.
Right now, there are only 32 WR in the NFL with more catches than him.
There is a more distribution on this team. Harris has become a viable option. The RB's can catch, the TE's can catch
RB's have caught 55 passes
TE's have caught 54 passes - that is a lot for TE
Allen Hurns (Jags): 9 games, 41 catches, 697 yards, 7 TDs
Erick Decker (Jets): 8 games, 42 catches, 557 yards, 7 TDs
Emmanuel Sanders (Broncos): 9 games, 46 catches, 639 yards, 3 TDs
Willie Snead (Saints): 10 games, 41 catches, 626 yards, 3 TDs
John Brown (Cardinals): 8 games, 37 catches, 562 yards, 3 TDs
Marvin Jones (Bengals): 9 games, 35 catches, 455 yards, 3 TDs
Nate Washington (Texans): 7 games, 28 catches, 443 yards, 3 TDs
Markus Wheaton (Steelers): 10 games, 16 catches, 273 yards, 1 TD
Leonard Hankerson (Falcons):7 games, 22 catches, 291 yards, 2 TDs
Roddy White (Falcons): 9 games, 17 catches, 230 yards, 1 TD
What were your expectations for a guy picked at the end of round 2. You know most of the WRs taken before him are either out of the league or have a 1/3 of his career yards.
Matthews: 9 games, 42 catches, 647 yards, 4 TDs
Landry: 9 games, 60 catches, 587 yards, 3 TDs
if RR can be a guy like that, he earns a spot on the team going forward, and... do it often enough, that is stardom of a sort
Matthews: 9 games, 42 catches, 647 yards, 4 TDs
Landry: 9 games, 60 catches, 587 yards, 3 TDs
Tannerhill only throws to two guys though. Is Eli to blame for spreading the ball? Or McAdoo for his quick dump plays which they went away from against the Pats. Listening to commentators doing Giants game it appears it is unusual to have so many guys getting receptions.
so.
A guy like Nate Washington is having a comparable year with shit throwing to him. Would Randle be a number 1 or 2 for teams like Cleveland, Rams, Tennessee.... sure... but those guys have shit WRs and inexperiece or shitty QBs.
If he was the number 1 on some other team, his stats may even be worse. He wouldnt be on the field if he played for the Jets, Bengals, Raiders, Pats, etc....
- He was the 63rd overall pick in the draft in the 2012 draft (so basically 3rd round)
Sure...He's taken a step back this year numbers-wise and hasn't been able to put up gaudy numbers. But, the numbers aren't that far off, he's been playing hurt and, oh yea - the season isn't over.
All in all, I think fans of this team -- with what's happened to Cruz, Nicks, Smith, etc., etc. over the years -- should appreciate these facts:
1) Randle has been active in EVERY GAME BUT 3 since he became a Giant. He was inactive 3 times in 2012. He's been active in 44 straight games.
2) At age 24, Randle has 170 catches (26th all-time NYG) for 2,322 receiving yards (24th all-time NYG) and 15 receiving TDs (31st all-time NYG)
3) Randle hasn't turned the ball over since 2013, after he fumbled 3 times that year and people were calling for him to be cut.
Good post AJ. Also, the fact the RR is 24 is reason enough to bring him back, IMHO.
lol. Just awful in every sense of the word.
To put that into context though, he was there 3rd/4th option. Clearly Allen, Gates, and Woodhead and to extent Johnson are/were better options than him.
Not sure the point of this post but Chargers also had Keenan Allen and Stevie Johnson ahead of him plus Gates when healthy. Not relevant.
idk what you expect.....from him. If you want 60 cathces and 900 yards from a number 2 through 9 games then you, my friend, are a fucking idiot.
I'm not in love with Randle. He's fine as a #2 WR when healthy IMV. I don't think he's nearly as easy to upgrade as people think and his health should determine whether he comes back or not.
lolz
Yea, obviously. The definition of "getting hot" would entail the fact that he isn't sucking anymore.
I'm not in love with Randle. He's fine as a #2 WR when healthy IMV. I don't think he's nearly as easy to upgrade as people think and his health should determine whether he comes back or not.
Here's the thing. No one knows how hurt he is. We dont know if he is 99%, 95%, 80%, 75%. All we can do is speculate. He is not on the injury report. TC sid its the healthiest he has been in years.
He has never been a speed guy, so I am not sure how much slower he is. But every year its something different. oor route running, benchings, miscommunication.
I think the one thing we have proven is that its easy to replace a #2 production. We went from toomer to smith. Smith to cruz. Cruz to manningham. We kind of halted with Randle. There are lot of viable options to choose from wit hthe likes of Marvin Jones, Sonu, Rishard Matthews all being FAs. And WR is one position where rookies can produce almost immediately.
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And has 18 less receptions and 66 yards less than Randle.
Not sure the point of this post but Chargers also had Keenan Allen and Stevie Johnson ahead of him plus Gates when healthy. Not relevant.
Stevie Johnson has a lower reception to target rate, lower YPC. He isn't an upgrade to Randle. Like both Floyd and Johnson, Randle also didn't come into the season being the expected #2 receiver.
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Vereen would be the #2 option in the SD offense - he has more receptions than Floyd.
I'm not in love with Randle. He's fine as a #2 WR when healthy IMV. I don't think he's nearly as easy to upgrade as people think and his health should determine whether he comes back or not.
Here's the thing. No one knows how hurt he is. We dont know if he is 99%, 95%, 80%, 75%. All we can do is speculate. He is not on the injury report. TC sid its the healthiest he has been in years.
He has never been a speed guy, so I am not sure how much slower he is. But every year its something different. oor route running, benchings, miscommunication.
I think the one thing we have proven is that its easy to replace a #2 production. We went from toomer to smith. Smith to cruz. Cruz to manningham. We kind of halted with Randle. There are lot of viable options to choose from wit hthe likes of Marvin Jones, Sonu, Rishard Matthews all being FAs. And WR is one position where rookies can produce almost immediately.
I agree with your latter point on #2 receiver being a replaceable position for this franchise (in large part due to Eli). Because of that, I would not spend a lot of money on the position in free agency. If we can re-sign Randle at a reasonable deal, I have no problem re-signing him.
This pass friendly offense helps those positions as well
Look at the number of catches the Giants TE & RB have vs other teams. They are in the top 10 in both of those positions for receptions
This year he is catching 70% of his targets. His previous 3 years was 49%. Last year was 55%
His targets are down, while TE & RB are up.
This pass friendly offense helps those positions as well
Look at the number of catches the Giants TE & RB have vs other teams. They are in the top 10 in both of those positions for receptions
This year he is catching 70% of his targets. His previous 3 years was 49%. Last year was 55%
His targets are down, while TE & RB are up.
You could also make the argument that his targets are down b/c he's not getting open.
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Look at the number of catches the RB's have and the TE's.
This pass friendly offense helps those positions as well
Look at the number of catches the Giants TE & RB have vs other teams. They are in the top 10 in both of those positions for receptions
This year he is catching 70% of his targets. His previous 3 years was 49%. Last year was 55%
His targets are down, while TE & RB are up.
You could also make the argument that his targets are down b/c he's not getting open.
Why can't it be both?
- doesnt understand routes
- lazy in practice and benched for quarters
- he is hurt
At some point, cant we just assume he isnt very good? He made a great catch last week. But he ended up with 3 catches. He has always lacked explosion, but now he has a problem of getting open. For a guy his size, he should be able to use his body better.
The guy is gutting out a knee injury to give the Giants a chance this year. Probably will be the end of his career after this season. shut the fuck up
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there is a reason for his underperforming.
- doesnt understand routes
- lazy in practice and benched for quarters
- he is hurt
At some point, cant we just assume he isnt very good? He made a great catch last week. But he ended up with 3 catches. He has always lacked explosion, but now he has a problem of getting open. For a guy his size, he should be able to use his body better.
The guy is gutting out a knee injury to give the Giants a chance this year. Probably will be the end of his career after this season. shut the fuck up
And what were excuses the last two years? How hurt is he? Please give your answer with your extensive knwoeldge of the situation.
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there is a reason for his underperforming.
- doesnt understand routes
- lazy in practice and benched for quarters
- he is hurt
At some point, cant we just assume he isnt very good? He made a great catch last week. But he ended up with 3 catches. He has always lacked explosion, but now he has a problem of getting open. For a guy his size, he should be able to use his body better.
The guy is gutting out a knee injury to give the Giants a chance this year. Probably will be the end of his career after this season. shut the fuck up
And what were excuses the last two years? How hurt is he? Please give your answer with your extensive knwoeldge of the situation.
na i'm good.
But quickness and toughness... I'd rate him as clearly below-average (relative to starting NFL WRs) in those 2 areas. YAC plays are all about quickness/toughness and Randle really lacks YAC skills. He's not capable of juking the crap out of anyone after the catch and is not someone who can overpower a DB either. He has a tendency to give himself up and fall to the ground instead of fighting for every yard.
He comes off as soft. I think he's a good #4 or capable #3 WR, but I don't think he's the #2 receiving threat on a dangerous NFL offense.
He does have talent which is the most frustrating part. He just does not seem to have the fire it takes to be a great player in this league. Letting him go would just create another hole on this team but I would at least look into other options before re-signing him this offseason.
The other thing that I can't stand is on every freaking catch he cuts backward to try and pick up extra yards. If you are past the flag just go down unless wide open.
Oh please. There will be plenty of better WR's commanding similar $$ to replace Randle. If we want to replace him in the draft it wouldn't be too hard.