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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Ereck Flowers is a great big 21-year-old grouch. It's one of the things the New York Giants like best about their rookie left tackle, but it can still take them aback when they see it first hand. "I'll tell you a funny story," Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty said Monday. "Do you know he got mad at me when I worked him out before the Buffalo game?" |
If Snee and Flaherty say he needs to improve in certain areas, I feel pretty confident that that's coming from an educated place.
Also, this line is playing with MUCH MORE toughness than it has in years...and Flowers has a lot to do with that.
As the coaches have said, he has a lot of work to do on his technique. It's all fixable.
But for now he's playing like a rookie.
Hopefully he proves me wrong
He and Collins have already had a college season with 14 NFL-level games.
For them the bye is perfect to just rest, restore, heal for the next 10.
EF needs to pop up and speed up feet quicker for the speed rushers. He has the strength if he gets into the correct position on the initial contact.
Personally I thought we would run behind him more and let that nasty go forward.
This really would have been a great year to have him at Rt then move him to left next year, similar to the WR move from G to C.
Also, this line is playing with MUCH MORE toughness than it has in years...and Flowers has a lot to do with that.
You're right, Beatty was awful that year. But the point is we all were critical of Beatty and years in which he performed better than Flowers has this year. I think the OL has improved due to Richburg's move to center and Pugh to LG.
Now again, I think Flowers will be good and happy we took him. But I really dont think he has been anything but average this year. He has had some killer penalties and given up killer sacks this year.
Hopefully he proves me wrong
LOL what about the supposed despondent looks in the war room after the Giants picked Odell. Remember that? Geezus.
2. He is a rookie - they play like 10 games a year.
3. LT is a tough position for a rookie.
4. I swear to god most of you said you understood that rookies will make mistakes - these are mistakes rookies make. Right on schedule BBI taketh it back.
5. They are rookies.
Love what he brings.
Need to find his bookend at LT next year and go to war with that line for a decade.
The kid's a player, and he, Richburg and Pugh bring a lot of toughness and competitive fire to the left side of our line.
He's been better than most rookies that get thrown into the fire at that position, and that's really encouraging, because that standard is fairly low. He's been part of the solution, not a problem. He has not been great. That doesn't mean they're not thrilled in the front office. They should be.
Not sure how anyone can not love the pick.
our left side is going to convert 3-1's and punch it in on the goal line
Also, this line is playing with MUCH MORE toughness than it has in years...and Flowers has a lot to do with that.
Pretty much
Hopefully he proves me wrong
Yeah, because Reese has an awful track record in round 1. *Sarcasm off*
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I wouldn't agree with that. Beatty had a very bad year right after he signed the contract.
Hmmmm. Comparing a rookie in his 10th game to a 7 year vet? Don't know about that one.
Also, this line is playing with MUCH MORE toughness than it has in years...and Flowers has a lot to do with that.
You're right, Beatty was awful that year. But the point is we all were critical of Beatty and years in which he performed better than Flowers has this year. I think the OL has improved due to Richburg's move to center and Pugh to LG.
Now again, I think Flowers will be good and happy we took him. But I really dont think he has been anything but average this year. He has had some killer penalties and given up killer sacks this year.
Good nucleus. Flowers has alot of upside.
well said. I see the same thing
No, he's not. Try watching the game in its entirety. He is much more good than bad. The plays he gets beat on are the ones the average fan notices him, so they think he's struggling more than he actually is. Has he been great? Nope. But he hasn't had half the problems many on BBI like to believe.
No, he's not. Try watching the game in its entirety. He is much more good than bad. The plays he gets beat on are the ones the average fan notices him, so they think he's struggling more than he actually is. Has he been great? Nope. But he hasn't had half the problems many on BBI like to believe.
My reference was to more beatty than flowrrs. I think he will be just fine and will get better. but a lot of people butcher about beattys performance some years, but performance wise beatty has had better seasons. but flowers, if he continues to learn and improve, will be a monster.
Td no way they move him now
He compared a seasoned vet's performance the last 4 years of their career to a rookie at the same position. What is there to agree with but shake your head at the premise. Flowers was drafted to play RT this season while learning LT at the pro level. He was thrown right into the mix with Beatty's injury.
BBI critics here are harsh. Kid is in his rookie season. Many years ago a rookie wouldn't even see the field. Plus he is probably playing on a bum ankle.
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I agree 100% on Beatty. Giants fans just never embraced him. He was much better than his reputation. I could never figure it out. Is it because he's quiet? Not a "mauler" that people love? I don't know, but Beatty was pretty damn good for this team. I also think part of it was the contract he signed. Fans expect sometimes unreasonable results based on contracts. Particularly the fans that hated the contract from the time it was signed. They likely will never give the player the benefit of doubt
He compared a seasoned vet's performance the last 4 years of their career to a rookie at the same position. What is there to agree with but shake your head at the premise. Flowers was drafted to play RT this season while learning LT at the pro level. He was thrown right into the mix with Beatty's injury.
Well if you bothered to read my entire post, it would be obvious that the part I was agreeing with was when he said that people loved to butcher Beatty. Beatty was a whipping boy on BBI and Giants fans in general. deep is right about saying that. It had nothing to do with Flowers. I already voiced my opinions about Flowers a on this thread.
He has always been below average as a run blocker. Also there's a huge difference between a rookie being thrown in at LT and a guy who was given that big of a bonus. Making him uncuttable for at least 3 years. One where he was a bottom tier guy. One where he was average at best(last year) and this year where he never shed a snap. He was given a top tier signing bonus even though he was a JAG type. So instead of being an anchor to their he was a guy who needed help as much as any just guy on then to do his job.
That he was maybe the best guy on the OL last year is meaningless as the OL was atrocious last year. He will be gone next year most likely. We can move on w a kid who is tough as nails and will only get better