but I wouldn't rule out his return. it depends on the market and if a team is willing to overpay. The accident is going to cost on the next contract, how much is yet to be determined.
JPP is a perfect candidate for the transition tag. Let him gauge his market value and come back to the Giants with an offer-sheet the market demands. If it's crazy, good for him, hang the picture of him blocking the field goal against Dallas in 2011 in the stadium museum and wish him well.
The Giants handled the situation with him perfectly, and I have no reason to believe that won't continue.
I will say this - the dude just blew off half of his hand and is playing in a system with literally no off-season, and he's the best player on the field.
People who bitch about signing players like him are the worst.
JPP is a perfect candidate for the transition tag. Let him gauge his market value and come back to the Giants with an offer-sheet the market demands. If it's crazy, good for him, hang the picture of him blocking the field goal against Dallas in 2011 in the stadium museum and wish him well.
The Giants handled the situation with him perfectly, and I have no reason to believe that won't continue.
I will say this - the dude just blew off half of his hand and is playing in a system with literally no off-season, and he's the best player on the field.
People who bitch about signing players like him are the worst.
Now this is an interesting thought. Is he eligible for the transition tag? Cause if so, that might be the way to go.
Feels he was treated by us. If it was positive he will stay if he feels slighted he will leave. Who knows how he really feels.
He has a contract, the team didn't cut ties with him, and all this after JPP pretty much shut the organization out for a few months. If he doesn't feel happy and eternally grateful, then he can go be happy somewhere else. There are plenty of organizations that would have thrown him overboard.
with the way he handled it I wanted the Giants to rescind the tag and just cut ties with him. I am now happy to admit I was wrong and he obviously is a huge part of our defense. I would like to see him return next year hopefully playing next to Wilkerson.
You certainly are consistent - - and so far, consistently wrong. How has it been established that Giants don't think he is worth $15 Million per year? Because they wouldn't pay him that sight unseen? If he keeps playing the way he has or, heaven forbid from your point of view, plays better as he adjusts to playing with the damaged hand, the price the Giants or any other team will pay will just go up. And frankly you've lost all credibility on the subject so STFU.
P.S. If I'm confusing you with some other poster who said "he's a moron" or "We should cut him now" and "he'll never play another down for us" I apologize; but I think I have it right.
it looks like he still is a very good player.
the question is whether it's worthwhile to sign him for great player dollars.
the question is moot for the rest of the season as we can't sign him long term now.
But, it's glaringly obvious that no one else on the line has a likelihood of filling his shoes.
So, how do you fill the spot? retain JPP by overpaying him? overpay some other FA to replace him? Try to replace him on the cheap with some lackluster FA? Try to replace him by overpaying, but not as high a salary as JPP, some reasonably solid FA? Draft his replacement and hope you get it right this time? Hope that one of the current lackluster linemen steps up to the plate?
I'm pessimistic about finding a replacement in house. I'm pessimistic about the organization's ability to draft a replacement - maybe a first rounder, but even still the likelihood of making an impact in year one or two is questionable, so you're looking at a void for a year or two. Plus, it's getting more and more obvious we need more than one new draft/acquisition successes.
IF JPP holds up for the rest of the year, I'm inclined to resign him with an overpay. If I recall correctly, the Giants were toeing the line at 10 mil per, and 12 mil would have gotten the deal signed. in a vacuum, he's not an elite player. but when you consider the alternatives, it may be worth giving him elite dollars to sign him up. When a guy wearing an oven mitt, who hasn't played in half a year, who had one week of practice in a new system, comes in and outshines everyone else, it's very, very telling.
Feels he was treated by us. If it was positive he will stay if he feels slighted he will leave. Who knows how he really feels.
He has a contract, the team didn't cut ties with him, and all this after JPP pretty much shut the organization out for a few months. If he doesn't feel happy and eternally grateful, then he can go be happy somewhere else. There are plenty of organizations that would have thrown him overboard.
Let me get this straight. JPP has this foolish and terrible accident. Instead of coming to NY, he stays home, gets treatment he needs, works diligently to get back in shape, signs a reasonable contract for the rest of the season, and plays before and better than anyone would have hoped. And you are bitter toward him? I don't get it.
I give him credit for working his way back so quickly. He amazed
me being back on the field already. But before you give him a big $$ deal ask yourself this: Has he shown you that he can tackle anybody yet? Pick up the ball? toss a blocker aside? He is penetrating, using his quickness and instincts to be disruptive, which on this team is a vast improvement to the pass rush, but he still hasn't shown that he can make plays. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. It's still to soon to say.
RE: I give him credit for working his way back so quickly. He amazed
me being back on the field already. But before you give him a big $$ deal ask yourself this: Has he shown you that he can tackle anybody yet? Pick up the ball? toss a blocker aside? He is penetrating, using his quickness and instincts to be disruptive, which on this team is a vast improvement to the pass rush, but he still hasn't shown that he can make plays. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. It's still to soon to say.
I completely agree with you. If you watch the run plays, he is not attacking at all, he is just trying to hold his ground. I also see him in the PATS game taking plays off or not getting off the ball
RE: I give him credit for working his way back so quickly. He amazed
me being back on the field already. But before you give him a big $$ deal ask yourself this: Has he shown you that he can tackle anybody yet? Pick up the ball? toss a blocker aside? He is penetrating, using his quickness and instincts to be disruptive, which on this team is a vast improvement to the pass rush, but he still hasn't shown that he can make plays. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. It's still to soon to say.
How the hell do you set the market for JPP's services, other than going out and soliciting other offers?
The one thing that bugs me a bit - and I am very happy for JPP's resurgence - is that when he was healthy, he didn't seem to be similarly motivated last season.
Was it a function of his back returning to form two seasons after surgery? Was it the layoff that did him some good? The life changing incident that caused him to have a greater appreciation for his talent? How much does the realization that he's only got one payday left affect his effort, and does he continue to work as hard after he signs?
The injury isn't my biggest problem with JPP, it's knowing whether or not he can sustain this level of play.
Feels he was treated by us. If it was positive he will stay if he feels slighted he will leave. Who knows how he really feels.
He has a contract, the team didn't cut ties with him, and all this after JPP pretty much shut the organization out for a few months. If he doesn't feel happy and eternally grateful, then he can go be happy somewhere else. There are plenty of organizations that would have thrown him overboard.
Let me get this straight. JPP has this foolish and terrible accident. Instead of coming to NY, he stays home, gets treatment he needs, works diligently to get back in shape, signs a reasonable contract for the rest of the season, and plays before and better than anyone would have hoped. And you are bitter toward him? I don't get it.
Whoa, hold on there. You certainly did not get this straight. Where did I ever say I am bitter toward him or anything like that. I was simply replying to the comment that a lot will be determined by how JPP feels he was treated by team. My comment addressed that he should feel like he has been treated very well by the team. They could have easily cut ties.
I'm extremely happy that JPP is back, that he is playing better than anticipated, and that he once again has a chance to have the future with the NYG. No bitterness on my part at all. Just saying, he should feel pretty positively about his employer.
Just like you I say plays (most notably when we gave Tony Romo 8 seconds to throw) that it appeared like he wasn't giving effort. But you probably can find plays like that on just about every player
But the from a playing time perspective, he certainly put in the work. He had the 3rd highest snap count for the Giants on the defensive side of the ball and league wide
, he is 4th in snap % and 5th in number of snaps for DEs.
It takes a lot of effort to play 90+% of the defensive line snaps in this league Link - ( New Window )
great questions too. I recall JPP was not thrilled with the way the Giants publicly handed his injury. IMO they kind of let the chatter go public that he picked up weight without getting in front of it and saying he's been gutting it out with a bad back. Part of me thinks the Giants let this talk become a thing so they could knock down his price.
great questions too. I recall JPP was not thrilled with the way the Giants publicly handed his injury. IMO they kind of let the chatter go public that he picked up weight without getting in front of it and saying he's been gutting it out with a bad back. Part of me thinks the Giants let this talk become a thing so they could knock down his price.
I think he handled it poorly, but the Giants are masters of the PR game. I can easily understand his frustrations with the Giants.
His two games back. He has made a difference on the defense. He has a different presence. Sometimes when you almost lose everything you value what you have and I believe that is JPP. As I said I was ready to say good bye and good luck back in February.
I did, however, want to rescind the tag because of the way he handled the situation with his hand. I still think that would have been the correct move. But, as a fan of an up and down team with a terrible D, I am glad he is back on the field because he is instantly our best defender. It still remains to be seen if he is truly an impactful player, though.
they can't re-sign him til the season ends. They can come up with a number any time they want. In all likelihood it's going to be a case of the agent assessing his market value. If someone else is likely to pay him more, he'll request that amount. If the giants are willing to pay him that amount, they will. fair price has nothing to do with it. Just like with any FA. The can't re-sign him til after the season complicates things. There's no incentive for him or the Giants to lock in a price on a gentleman's agreement.
Until he shows he can play to the same level as last year, without the mitt, his going price is going to be lower than it was on July 3. Just because he's a breath of fresh air doesn't mean he's still the same JPP. But, you never know if some team will set the bar too high to match.
The Giants handled the situation with him perfectly, and I have no reason to believe that won't continue.
I will say this - the dude just blew off half of his hand and is playing in a system with literally no off-season, and he's the best player on the field.
People who bitch about signing players like him are the worst.
The Giants handled the situation with him perfectly, and I have no reason to believe that won't continue.
I will say this - the dude just blew off half of his hand and is playing in a system with literally no off-season, and he's the best player on the field.
People who bitch about signing players like him are the worst.
Now this is an interesting thought. Is he eligible for the transition tag? Cause if so, that might be the way to go.
He has a contract, the team didn't cut ties with him, and all this after JPP pretty much shut the organization out for a few months. If he doesn't feel happy and eternally grateful, then he can go be happy somewhere else. There are plenty of organizations that would have thrown him overboard.
P.S. If I'm confusing you with some other poster who said "he's a moron" or "We should cut him now" and "he'll never play another down for us" I apologize; but I think I have it right.
the question is whether it's worthwhile to sign him for great player dollars.
the question is moot for the rest of the season as we can't sign him long term now.
But, it's glaringly obvious that no one else on the line has a likelihood of filling his shoes.
So, how do you fill the spot? retain JPP by overpaying him? overpay some other FA to replace him? Try to replace him on the cheap with some lackluster FA? Try to replace him by overpaying, but not as high a salary as JPP, some reasonably solid FA? Draft his replacement and hope you get it right this time? Hope that one of the current lackluster linemen steps up to the plate?
I'm pessimistic about finding a replacement in house. I'm pessimistic about the organization's ability to draft a replacement - maybe a first rounder, but even still the likelihood of making an impact in year one or two is questionable, so you're looking at a void for a year or two. Plus, it's getting more and more obvious we need more than one new draft/acquisition successes.
IF JPP holds up for the rest of the year, I'm inclined to resign him with an overpay. If I recall correctly, the Giants were toeing the line at 10 mil per, and 12 mil would have gotten the deal signed. in a vacuum, he's not an elite player. but when you consider the alternatives, it may be worth giving him elite dollars to sign him up. When a guy wearing an oven mitt, who hasn't played in half a year, who had one week of practice in a new system, comes in and outshines everyone else, it's very, very telling.
I was told last offseason NYG valued him at approx $12M before the incident. I know a few people, Eric has vouched for me.
The media soon after reported NYG valued him anywhere from $10-13M before the incident.
You think that's changed since then? I don't. Is it possible? I suppose. We'll agree to disagree and wait and see.
When I'm wrong on anything, I cop to it. You are wrong, and an asshole consistently, and yet you never accept your lumps.
Grow up and be a man and address with respect.
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Feels he was treated by us. If it was positive he will stay if he feels slighted he will leave. Who knows how he really feels.
He has a contract, the team didn't cut ties with him, and all this after JPP pretty much shut the organization out for a few months. If he doesn't feel happy and eternally grateful, then he can go be happy somewhere else. There are plenty of organizations that would have thrown him overboard.
Let me get this straight. JPP has this foolish and terrible accident. Instead of coming to NY, he stays home, gets treatment he needs, works diligently to get back in shape, signs a reasonable contract for the rest of the season, and plays before and better than anyone would have hoped. And you are bitter toward him? I don't get it.
I completely agree with you. If you watch the run plays, he is not attacking at all, he is just trying to hold his ground. I also see him in the PATS game taking plays off or not getting off the ball
Agree.
I was told last offseason NYG valued him at approx $12M before the incident. I know a few people, Eric has vouched for me.
The media soon after reported NYG valued him anywhere from $10-13M before the incident.
You think that's changed since then? I don't. Is it possible? I suppose. We'll agree to disagree and wait and see.
When I'm wrong on anything, I cop to it. You are wrong, and an asshole consistently, and yet you never accept your lumps.
Grow up and be a man and address with respect.
probably that other less good looking Jon who knows nothing about football. Yeah, he's always wrong. I heard he doesn't even know any celebs.
The one thing that bugs me a bit - and I am very happy for JPP's resurgence - is that when he was healthy, he didn't seem to be similarly motivated last season.
Was it a function of his back returning to form two seasons after surgery? Was it the layoff that did him some good? The life changing incident that caused him to have a greater appreciation for his talent? How much does the realization that he's only got one payday left affect his effort, and does he continue to work as hard after he signs?
The injury isn't my biggest problem with JPP, it's knowing whether or not he can sustain this level of play.
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Feels he was treated by us. If it was positive he will stay if he feels slighted he will leave. Who knows how he really feels.
He has a contract, the team didn't cut ties with him, and all this after JPP pretty much shut the organization out for a few months. If he doesn't feel happy and eternally grateful, then he can go be happy somewhere else. There are plenty of organizations that would have thrown him overboard.
Let me get this straight. JPP has this foolish and terrible accident. Instead of coming to NY, he stays home, gets treatment he needs, works diligently to get back in shape, signs a reasonable contract for the rest of the season, and plays before and better than anyone would have hoped. And you are bitter toward him? I don't get it.
Whoa, hold on there. You certainly did not get this straight. Where did I ever say I am bitter toward him or anything like that. I was simply replying to the comment that a lot will be determined by how JPP feels he was treated by team. My comment addressed that he should feel like he has been treated very well by the team. They could have easily cut ties.
I'm extremely happy that JPP is back, that he is playing better than anticipated, and that he once again has a chance to have the future with the NYG. No bitterness on my part at all. Just saying, he should feel pretty positively about his employer.
But the from a playing time perspective, he certainly put in the work. He had the 3rd highest snap count for the Giants on the defensive side of the ball and league wide
, he is 4th in snap % and 5th in number of snaps for DEs.
It takes a lot of effort to play 90+% of the defensive line snaps in this league
Link - ( New Window )
I think he handled it poorly, but the Giants are masters of the PR game. I can easily understand his frustrations with the Giants.
Until he shows he can play to the same level as last year, without the mitt, his going price is going to be lower than it was on July 3. Just because he's a breath of fresh air doesn't mean he's still the same JPP. But, you never know if some team will set the bar too high to match.