were one of his finalists, he likely would've signed with us if we had drafted him in the 7th round.
Hard to kill Reese for passing when all 31 other teams did so as well, but not unreasonable to feel a little frustrated at missing out on getting such a talent at almost no cost.
that the article doesn't mention that his agent threatened to sit out the year if he was picked any lower than the third round.
well it's discussing the post draft process so it wouldn't
It discusses why he dropped out of the draft does it not? There's every reason to believe that he may have been drafted if not for the threat by his agent so I'd say it's relevant.
I don't think any team passed on him because of the agent threat
So if the Giants
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were one of his finalists, he likely would've signed with us if we had drafted him in the 7th round.
He wanted to be a UDFA so he could sign for more money that the draft slots. He probably wouldn't have signed with any team who drafted him. After the 3rd round.
So if the Giants
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were one of his finalists, he likely would've signed with us if we had drafted him in the 7th round.
He wanted to be a UDFA so he could sign for more money that the draft slots. He probably wouldn't have signed with any team who drafted him. After the 3rd round.
Isn't UDFA also capped at a pretty low number? I thought it was in the mid round range or lower.
In comment 12634155 Stan in LA said:Well, it sure didn't pay off in wins, that's for sure. [/quote]
Too bad Collins won't be on the Cowboys' roster anymore after this season! Oh wait--
You're going into the season with your starting OLT on the pup list, 3 5ths of your OL is garbage and you have a SB winning QB and coach. And you have the biggest revenue making market in the league.
THIS is not a better landing spot than the 5 other finalists? C'MON!
You're going into the season with your starting OLT on the pup list, 3 5ths of your OL is garbage and you have a SB winning QB and coach. And you have the biggest revenue making market in the league.
THIS is not a better landing spot than the 5 other finalists? C'MON!
Yeah but god forbid he signed with NYG, got hurt, and used the benefits of the "biggest revenue making market in the league"... cause he'd get killed on BBI for not shutting up and spending every waking minute of every day to rehab (even though that's physically impossible), like our boy Victor Cruz (#thereturn hashtag sucks, I'll give you that).
Is a wildcatter, a self made man and a product of a rough and tumble world that doesn't have the same respect for the NFL that the finishing school product John Mara might have.
Businessmen have disposal income that can be spent as unreported tax free cash that facilitates a lot of deals. I have no indication at all that that's the case here - but still, it wouldn't surprise me.
Don't even know if you are signed in the manner that he was and not drafted in the supplemental draft what your income is set at.
and the "what if?" scenario of Collins being on the Giants, with Wilson never getting hurt and a healthy Cruz... I know that it's not a foregone conclusion we'd get Flowers or even OBJ if Wilson didn't get hurt, since you never know how the games would have played out... but shit, that'd be a LETHAL offense.
Businessmen have disposal income that can be spent as unreported tax free cash that facilitates a lot of deals. I have no indication at all that that's the case here - but still, it wouldn't surprise me.
So in other words, Jones pays players under the table? Right.
More like, he pays less than market value for troubled players.
Collins decided after the draft as a free agent. Perhaps the Giants drafting a tackle in the first round made it seem like he had a better opportunity for playing time elsewhere.
I thought he was the best OL of this class - and I stand by that
No sense rehashing this but I would have taken him with our 3rd rounder - risk and all. Our 3rds are hit or miss anyway and he was worth the gamble.
He wasn't convicted or even charged with anything so I doubt there would have been much reputational risk to the org if they had made the pick (obviously, they'd burn the pick).
Truth be told, I would have been tempted in round 2...
then why not just use a late round pick on him (6th or 7th). At that point those picks are crap shots anyway, and he's proving so far to be worth the risk.
You're going into the season with your starting OLT on the pup list, 3 5ths of your OL is garbage and you have a SB winning QB and coach. And you have the biggest revenue making market in the league.
THIS is not a better landing spot than the 5 other finalists? C'MON!
Yeah but god forbid he signed with NYG, got hurt, and used the benefits of the "biggest revenue making market in the league"... cause he'd get killed on BBI for not shutting up and spending every waking minute of every day to rehab (even though that's physically impossible), like our boy Victor Cruz (#thereturn hashtag sucks, I'll give you that).
Andrew, Beatty was hurt after the draft. Reese needs to get his crystal ball fixed.
Collins should have been treated like a supplemental draft pick who is chosen and signed in that order. No way should a playoff participant like the division winning Cowboys been able to sign him without the others passing on him first.
We will find our RT and a guard in FA and/or the Draft. We have lots of cap space for FA and we well get Eli and coughlin a good oline for another SB run.
then why not just use a late round pick on him (6th or 7th). At that point those picks are crap shots anyway, and he's proving so far to be worth the risk.
Because he was going to sit out the year and re-enter the draft next year if anyone drafted him in those rounds. He was quite clear on that. It was all about not wanting his rookie contract to be slotted for the money of a low round pick.
Surrounding him at the time, it makes sense no team ended up drafting him.
I completely disagree. The odds were far greater that Collins would have been cleared and panned out for a team drafting him in the 7th round than some random 7th round pick, who may go undrafted anyway if the team didn't take him, emerging into an impact player.
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How much did he get paid... I assume there is a cap on contracts for undrafted players?
Beer Man said:
Yep, that's why there was no bidding war.
Although UDFAs are limited to three-year contracts at the minimum salary, with nominal bonuses and incentives, the Cowboys did what they could to entice Collins financially. The most transparent aspect was that they guaranteed the full amount of the contract, unconditionally. Any team that wanted to play probably had to offer that much just to get a seat at the table. Dallas also seems to have offered some reassurance regarding renegotiation after two years - which, as we have discussed earlier, was the key reason Collins's camp wanted him to be a UDFA rather than a late draft pick.
Were additional cash or incentives offered under the table? I can only say that I would be shocked - SHOCKED - if America's Team resorted to such seedy recruiting tactics.
Another point worth noting is that Collins is eligible for the League-wide incentive pool, which will add six-figure sums to his salary in 2015 and 2016 if he remains a starter.
There are, in fact, numerous scenarios in which Collins's career earnings will be higher with him entering the League as a UDFA than if he had been drafted by Dallas with the 27th pick. Of course, a typical UDFA makes far less in his NFL career than any first-round pick: most get cut in camp and never get a paycheck; a minority get a token bonus or scratch their way onto a practice squad; a select few make 53-man rosters. But Collins isn't a typical UDFA. He's entrenched in Dallas's plans.
Its over, it's done. I don't think the Giants had a real chance anyway. The article basically focused on Miami and Dallas, two warm weather teams. He jumped to the team that had the best chance to win as an undrafted rookie. End of story.
Why keep on bringing this up? Its over, it's done.... End of story.
How many threads has BBI seen on the defensive holding penalty in Super Bowl XXXV? Season-crushing TDs by Al Toon and Flipper Anderson in consecutive years? Sean Landeta's whiff? Mark Jackson's drop? Plaxico Burress's stupidity?
Dead horses venture here at their own risk, as beatings are likely. It's what we do.
Hard to kill Reese for passing when all 31 other teams did so as well, but not unreasonable to feel a little frustrated at missing out on getting such a talent at almost no cost.
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that the article doesn't mention that his agent threatened to sit out the year if he was picked any lower than the third round.
well it's discussing the post draft process so it wouldn't
It discusses why he dropped out of the draft does it not? There's every reason to believe that he may have been drafted if not for the threat by his agent so I'd say it's relevant.
Metnut : 1:30 pm : link : reply
were one of his finalists, he likely would've signed with us if we had drafted him in the 7th round.
He wanted to be a UDFA so he could sign for more money that the draft slots. He probably wouldn't have signed with any team who drafted him. After the 3rd round.
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So if the Giants
Metnut : 1:30 pm : link : reply
were one of his finalists, he likely would've signed with us if we had drafted him in the 7th round.
He wanted to be a UDFA so he could sign for more money that the draft slots. He probably wouldn't have signed with any team who drafted him. After the 3rd round.
Isn't UDFA also capped at a pretty low number? I thought it was in the mid round range or lower.
I'd expect additions to the right side of the line this offseason.
Too bad Collins won't be on the Cowboys' roster anymore after this season! Oh wait--
Too bad Collins won't be on the Cowboys' roster anymore after this season! Oh wait--
You're going into the season with your starting OLT on the pup list, 3 5ths of your OL is garbage and you have a SB winning QB and coach. And you have the biggest revenue making market in the league.
THIS is not a better landing spot than the 5 other finalists? C'MON!
At this point, I hope he plays well enough to hold out for a new contract, eventually causing for him to be traded. That'd be the dream scenario, IMO.
Didn't he grow up a Cowboys fan also?
You're going into the season with your starting OLT on the pup list, 3 5ths of your OL is garbage and you have a SB winning QB and coach. And you have the biggest revenue making market in the league.
THIS is not a better landing spot than the 5 other finalists? C'MON!
Yeah but god forbid he signed with NYG, got hurt, and used the benefits of the "biggest revenue making market in the league"... cause he'd get killed on BBI for not shutting up and spending every waking minute of every day to rehab (even though that's physically impossible), like our boy Victor Cruz (#thereturn hashtag sucks, I'll give you that).
Businessmen have disposal income that can be spent as unreported tax free cash that facilitates a lot of deals. I have no indication at all that that's the case here - but still, it wouldn't surprise me.
Don't even know if you are signed in the manner that he was and not drafted in the supplemental draft what your income is set at.
So in other words, Jones pays players under the table? Right.
More like, he pays less than market value for troubled players.
He wasn't convicted or even charged with anything so I doubt there would have been much reputational risk to the org if they had made the pick (obviously, they'd burn the pick).
Truth be told, I would have been tempted in round 2...
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In comment 12634090 Stan in LA said:
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2-7.
So there's that.
Obviously caused by getting a superior guard on the cheap. You sussed that out, well done Stan!
Well, it sure didn't pay off in wins, that's for sure.
Obviously, Stan doesn't understand the concept of correlation/causation.
Not surprising, of course...
Stan might be TDExperiment!!!
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indict Reese that much more.
You're going into the season with your starting OLT on the pup list, 3 5ths of your OL is garbage and you have a SB winning QB and coach. And you have the biggest revenue making market in the league.
THIS is not a better landing spot than the 5 other finalists? C'MON!
Yeah but god forbid he signed with NYG, got hurt, and used the benefits of the "biggest revenue making market in the league"... cause he'd get killed on BBI for not shutting up and spending every waking minute of every day to rehab (even though that's physically impossible), like our boy Victor Cruz (#thereturn hashtag sucks, I'll give you that).
Andrew, Beatty was hurt after the draft. Reese needs to get his crystal ball fixed.
Must be a collector's item!
There isn't a word to describe your level of stupidity.
I completely disagree. The odds were far greater that Collins would have been cleared and panned out for a team drafting him in the 7th round than some random 7th round pick, who may go undrafted anyway if the team didn't take him, emerging into an impact player.
But what is done is done. Time to move on.
Had no team shown interest moments after the draft i would agree.
How much did he get paid... I assume there is a cap on contracts for undrafted players?
Beer Man said:
Yep, that's why there was no bidding war.
Although UDFAs are limited to three-year contracts at the minimum salary, with nominal bonuses and incentives, the Cowboys did what they could to entice Collins financially. The most transparent aspect was that they guaranteed the full amount of the contract, unconditionally. Any team that wanted to play probably had to offer that much just to get a seat at the table. Dallas also seems to have offered some reassurance regarding renegotiation after two years - which, as we have discussed earlier, was the key reason Collins's camp wanted him to be a UDFA rather than a late draft pick.
Were additional cash or incentives offered under the table? I can only say that I would be shocked - SHOCKED - if America's Team resorted to such seedy recruiting tactics.
Another point worth noting is that Collins is eligible for the League-wide incentive pool, which will add six-figure sums to his salary in 2015 and 2016 if he remains a starter.
There are, in fact, numerous scenarios in which Collins's career earnings will be higher with him entering the League as a UDFA than if he had been drafted by Dallas with the 27th pick. Of course, a typical UDFA makes far less in his NFL career than any first-round pick: most get cut in camp and never get a paycheck; a minority get a token bonus or scratch their way onto a practice squad; a select few make 53-man rosters. But Collins isn't a typical UDFA. He's entrenched in Dallas's plans.
Heh heh, this was funny, I definitely chuckled.
Dead horses venture here at their own risk, as beatings are likely. It's what we do.