QB Index:Ranking the starters from 1 to 32... and of course.

better. No way, no how.

Legitimate question, is Eli the best QB in the NFC?

Alone at the top

1. Tom Brady

Top shelf

2. Carson Palmer
3. Cam Newton
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Andy Dalton
7. Philip Rivers

Next level

8. Drew Brees
9. Derek Carr
10. Russell Wilson
11. Matt Ryan

Middle of the pack

12. Jay Cutler
13. Eli Manning
14. Joe Flacco
15. Tyrod Taylor
16. Marcus Mariota
17. Ryan Fitzpatrick
18. Teddy Bridgewater
19. Alex Smith
20. Blake Bortles
21. Sam Bradford
22. Andrew Luck
23. Jameis Winston
24. Kirk Cousins
25. Ryan Tannehill
26. Matthew Stafford

that Jay Cutler is better than Eli and Eli is jusssssst a tad better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. Once again the question has to be asked...

How does someone become a professional sports idiot and get paid for it?

but I still love to point out every time an "expert" ranks Matt fucking Ryan over Eli.

Ohh and Russell Wilson can barely run that offense this year with Lynch being hurt...

Honestly, I grew up with Dave Brown/Danny Kannell/ Kent Graham, etc. I don't care anymore where he is ranked as weeks/years go on. He's already the greatest QB in my teams history, he's won two SBs/two SB MVPs. If he gets a third, hes a lock for the HOF, his game isnt made for these lists.

and while its been fun to watch Dalton have a better year, he's never won a single big game in his career. I guess that doesn't matter.

Eli is better than #8-11, all inclusive.

I'm not sure how there are metrics that place Manning outside the top 5, let alone top 10.

knows it.

from the west coast that can't throw the ball outside the numbers......think about that.

He's never going to get "critical" love and you're even going to get more supposedly statistical based analysts circling the numbers they need to to sell it.

It is what is. You guys need to just stop caring about this stuff.

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and it is a complete joke...

6th in yards, third in TD's, 11th in ratings, 13th in %

5-5 record, he had his team in the lead in the fourth quarter, in 4 of the 5 losses, but because the defense couldn't hold the lead, they lost....

but I'll all be doing is white knighting Eli and making excuses for him. I dont want to ruin threads for people.

completion percentage has now become the msot overrated stat in football.

Its more irrelevant than the RBI or wins for pitcher in baseball.

In comment 12634302 dep026 said:

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but I'll all be doing is white knighting Eli and making excuses for him. I dont want to ruin threads for people.

+1

Carson Palmer is #2, it is clearly based on this year. In that case, how the hell could Eli be #13??

He's outplayed most of the QB's ahead of him on that list.

people need to stop caring about these.

We'll have the last laugh at the induction ceremony in Canton.

In comment 12634263 rocco8112 said:

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better. No way, no how. Legitimate question, is Eli the best QB in the NFC?

No, Discount Double Check is...

saying

Rodgers
Palmer
Brady

Those 3 have performed better than Eli this year. But I could easily argue that he has been as good better than the rest. And yes that includes Newton, Rivers, and Dalton.

to "rank" Eli Manning:

"Whatever you're saying doesn't matter and never will matter, because when it's all said and done, Eli Manning will be in the top 10 all-time in almost every major passing statistic/category and have a bust in Canton".

The same can be said for very few of all the other quarterbacks each year ranked "above" Eli.

gets a lot of props for it being this early in his career, but look lower in the list. Mariota is several spots above Winston and he's ahead of Luck!

Wonder where they put Peyton?

I don't really understand why someone would have one in an entirely different tier than the other - much less having two tiers separating them. I'd take Eli over every QB in the 'Next Level' category, with Brees being the only one a bit of a toss-up.

All other things being equal, is there any GM in the league that would trade (#12) Eli for (#2) Carson Palmer? No. No there isn't. End of discussion if I do say so myself. (And I like Palmer more than most I would think.)

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In comment 12634324 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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gets a lot of props for it being this early in his career, but look lower in the list. Mariota is several spots above Winston and he's ahead of Luck! Wonder where they put Peyton?

End game

27. Peyton Manning
28. Johnny Manziel
29. Brian Hoyer
30. Matt Cassel
31. Blaine Gabbert
32. Nick Foles

In comment 12634325 BrettNYG10 said:

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I don't really understand why someone would have one in an entirely different tier than the other - much less having two tiers separating them. I'd take Eli over every QB in the 'Next Level' category, with Brees being the only one a bit of a toss-up.

Brett - This is an excellent example of how flawed this list is.

it's only for this year. Given that, here is who I would rank above Eli for this year (in no particular order),

Brady
Palmer
Newton
Rodgers
Dalton (but most likely lays another egg in the playoffs again)

I'd rank Eli next, in the same group with Carr, Brees and Roethlisberger.

Come playoffs though (hopefully the Giants make it), we know how high Eli would shoot up that list.

In comment 12634325 BrettNYG10 said:

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I don't really understand why someone would have one in an entirely different tier than the other - much less having two tiers separating them. I'd take Eli over every QB in the 'Next Level' category, with Brees being the only one a bit of a toss-up.

I think what Rivers has done with the talent around him this year has been pretty incredible. His talent stinks because of injuries.

However, Rivers benefits from an offense that results in even more short throws than we have and his yards are benefited from YAC. Rivers and Brees have more than 300 yards after catch than any other team in football.

In comment 12634281 BillKo said:

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Eli is better than #8-11, all inclusive.

I agree with this. Ultimately Eli is the the best fit for the NY Giants. Is there anyone above him on the list that you would rather have as the QB for the Giants for the next few years? Maybe Aaron Rodgers...that's it.

10 TDs and 7 INTs.

Must be how he is one of the toughest players in the NFL argument again.

or over the last 2 years, there are, at most, a handful of players that should be ranked ahead of Eli. In all actuality, I wouldn't take anyone other than Brady over Eli. This doesn't mean that Eli is the 2nd best overall QB in the league. But, I don't think anyone else is significantly better than him to even consider swapping. Eli is a proven winner in the toughest place in sports to win. And, now, he is playing at a top of the game level. How is this even debatable? Hell, even teflon Rodgers is now under a lot of scrutiny.

In comment 12634335 Matt M. said:

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In comment 12634325 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I don't really understand why someone would have one in an entirely different tier than the other - much less having two tiers separating them. I'd take Eli over every QB in the 'Next Level' category, with Brees being the only one a bit of a toss-up. Brett - This is an excellent example of how flawed this list is.

Yeah, it's awful. Even just going by stats, Eli is closer to them than Joe Flacco or Tyrod Taylor. It's objectively ridiculous.

Horseshit, dogshit... do fish shit? If so, that too.

When a QB list has Eli closer to Sam Bradford than he is to Ben Roethlisberger, I know to dismiss it.

anyone legitimately cares. It's more that it's always amazing to see every time. You think maybe someone will figure it out, but they always screw it up so bad that you have to comment.

any other QB. For a few years now, Eli has had one legit WR (first it was Cruz and now Beckham), with little to no running game, no legit TE, and a porous OL. He has poor speed, yet he remains one of the least sacked QBs in the league, has NEVER missed a start, and for a couple of years now is playing at the top of the game. in fact, I really think 2013 was his only truly bad year.

Before anyone throws out 2010, I have long maintained that year was actually the start of an upswing for him, not 2011. The INTs were mostly drops and WR error. That has been long established. The rest of his game was really outstanding that year and was the building block for 2011 and beyond.

the author didn't assume Romo is already back and put him at #3 or #4.

okaaaaaaay then.

In comment 12634352 SethFromAstoria said:

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anyone legitimately cares. It's more that it's always amazing to see every time. You think maybe someone will figure it out, but they always screw it up so bad that you have to comment.

Exactly. What are these guys watching? It's definately not Giants games.

Neither one of them should be ranked ahead of Eli. And Rivers has had a terrific year, if you look past his team's record. Eli should be top 10, without a doubt, but sportswriters will only give him his due when he wins a SB.

Is stat piling.

Yeah he's a good player, but he deserves no business being in any top-portion of the QB's right now.

This article on Wilson is interesting.

I still think he deserves a shitload of blame for the SB-costing pick that has been entirely been blamed on their coaching staff.
CBS Sports - ( New Window )

Point still stands, dammit.

Month ago (Oct 8th), he had Rodgers at #1.

He kept Wilson, Rivers, Dalton, etc. in their spots.

Eli was #9, he drops him.

Wow. I've been saying for years if I could fight anyone it would be gregg rosenthal, he has a face you just want to punch. There would be blood, bruises, and emasculation for that little bitch.

truth is he has been an excellent QB, but he has always been compared to Peyton and Peyton is an all time great.

anyone who knows football can objectively say whom the top tier QB's are in the league with/without stats.

this is going through Eli's head after reading that list
Link - ( New Window )

In comment 12634454 giantgiantfan said:

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this is going through Eli's head after reading that list Link - ( New Window )

NSFW or turn down volume.

are dumb.

Andrew luck is 22nd best QB in football, oh ok.

Games 1, 2 and possibly at the end of game 10(audible),he'd be all the way up to, thinking like a pro sports writer,may 11 or 12.
Yes, sarcasm.
On the above premise, likely 8-9.

keep showing up ahead of Eli on these lists?

In comment 12634487 Chris684 said:

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keep showing up ahead of Eli on these lists?

1. SD market
2. he's a competitor and has passion.

All that matters is that we know what we have at QB.

however even I can admit what he has done this year has been really good. his oline sucks and he is losing wrs left and right.

to talk up Eli.

Ryan, Wilson, etc are the guys that really have no business being tiered entirely above him based on this season.

Manning is viewed and evaluated how he's going to be at this point, fairly or not. Even a 2011 redux would just likely invite more Eli vs Ellie, inconsistency talk than straight praise.

but who cares? Team is 5-5. Only thing that matters is how well he plays in the next 9-10 games.

for Eli to play in a system that is alittle more kind to him. I have nothing but respect for Gilbride and his offense won us 2 titles but I think it's now safe to say that the volatility of that same offense kept Eli down statistically.

It's fun to watch all the Eli haters who made a living off of the "Eli's stats suck" argument scrambling for yet another bogus reason why Eli isnt among the very best in the game.

has Carson Palmer rated at #2. Really? Look at his stat line. Now look at Eli's. Not much difference there.

The authors of a lot of these ranking/ratings things really don't know any more than a casual NFL fan and it would be easy to prove it if you want to waste your time doing so.

from the team result perspective, Giants are 5-1 against QBs ranked 15th and lower and 0-4 against QBs ranked 11th and higher (imputing rankings to Romo and Kaepernick).

So there is that correlation.

Looking ahead, Giants will face #3 Newton and five QBs ranked between 17th and 25th. Time to put up.

In comment 12634313 GMenLTS said:

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people need to stop caring about these. We'll have the last laugh at the induction ceremony in Canton.

When we keep seeing lists like this, I don't know how likely that is without another SB win.

Does he use stats, or juts his opinion?

In comment 12634276 UConn4523 said:

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but I still love to point out every time an "expert" ranks Matt fucking Ryan over Eli. Ohh and Russell Wilson can barely run that offense this year with Lynch being hurt...

Wilson is mediocre and despite a SB ring has never carried a team like many other QBs on this list have at one time or another.

That team has a .000 winning percentage when the defense gives up 24+, in the Wilson era.

This despite the Seahawks having had a lead in every single game of Wilson's career.

In comment 12634430 BrettNYG10 said:

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This article on Wilson is interesting. I still think he deserves a shitload of blame for the SB-costing pick that has been entirely been blamed on their coaching staff. CBS Sports - ( New Window )

Kaepernick was once higher than Wilson on these QB lists....like a 10, 11 ranking.

It's mind boggling how we can shoot QBs up and down this list based on overall team record.

How does Eli Manning swing from top 6 to high teens post SB46?

Should that make any sense?

Peyton Manning is physically done, but for the other QBs their success is still largely dependent on the surrounding cast, with the exception of maybe 5 guys (if that many, probably 2-3 is the real #).

I know I'm here a bit to defend my boy CK, but I hadn't noticed the apparent media bias to destroy the guy when the Atlanta Falcons with Matt Ryan have had some horrendous seasons recently post 2012. He has had superior weapons to Kap, and now has Kyle Shannahan.

These lists I guess have to be made and it's just much easier to take a team W/L record, mix it with personal QB stats and shoot out a ranking.

Wilson's gonna have to drop considerably from 10 if he's QBing a 4-5 team with a defense that's still pretty damn good and a running game that is still functional.

I'm glad the guy's not in the NFC West.

In comment 12634313 GMenLTS said:

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people need to stop caring about these. We'll have the last laugh at the induction ceremony in Canton.

Yes sir

In comment 12634622 JOrthman said:

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In comment 12634313 GMenLTS said: Quote: people need to stop caring about these. We'll have the last laugh at the induction ceremony in Canton. When we keep seeing lists like this, I don't know how likely that is without another SB win.

You just have to look at members of the selecting board (most of which will still be around when Eli's retired) and you'll realize it's not happening barring another SB... and even then, as nuts as it sounds, it may depend on how that run would play out.

In comment 12634698 Devon said:

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In comment 12634622 JOrthman said: Quote: In comment 12634313 GMenLTS said: Quote: people need to stop caring about these. We'll have the last laugh at the induction ceremony in Canton. When we keep seeing lists like this, I don't know how likely that is without another SB win. You just have to look at members of the selecting board (most of which will still be around when Eli's retired) and you'll realize it's not happening barring another SB... and even then, as nuts as it sounds, it may depend on how that run would play out.

I can't really disagree. Giants fans so things like this article or pro bowls don't matter, but it all drives a narrative in the media. Those are the same people that vote on the HOF. If they don't show him love now, why would they suddenly when its time to vote him in the HOF.

all the time.

People assume he's elite because he has a nickname referencing a shitty beer?

In comment 12634703 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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all the time. People assume he's elite because he has a nickname referencing a shitty beer?

One of the most overrated QB's. He has had some of the best weapons a QB can have and has never done anything with them.

put them in any order you choose

Eli has been the most underrated QB of this generation and its not even close. The typical douche bag misinformed fan sees him as a shell of his brother and a "turnover machine". Not to mention the hate he has gotten for his facial expressions over the years. Just enjoy the ride and ignore the bullshit. We all know how great he is and he wont get the credit he deserves until he is gone. Lets just root like hell for the all time great QB we have.

people here haven't watched the Cardinals this year.

Carson Palmer is playing great ball. Not just stats. He's moving around and making big time throws.

The list is based on this year only. Palmer is either 2 or 3.

I'd still rank Rodgers over him. But he's a legit #3 QB in the league to this point of 2015 season.

In comment 12634804 KWALL2 said:

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people here haven't watched the Cardinals this year. Carson Palmer is playing great ball. Not just stats. He's moving around and making big time throws. The list is based on this year only. Palmer is either 2 or 3. I'd still rank Rodgers over him. But he's a legit #3 QB in the league to this point of 2015 season.

If the ranking is based off of this year, which it seems, then Eli has no business being ranked 13th overall. Eli is tied for 2nd in the NFC in TDs, behind # 1 Palmer by 2 TDs, and tied with Aaron Rodgers. I don't see how a QB putting up great stats is ranked fucking 13, behind Jay Cutler, lol.

We have to somehow make the playoffs, somehow advance to the Super Bowl and somehow beat the Patriots. Don't ask me how.

In comment 12634719 EVERY4YEARS said:

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put them in any order you choose

Eli isn't as good as Rodgers.

But you don't make the case for Eli by knocking Palmer.

Palmer is back to elite and unquestionably one of the top QBs in the NFL.

Doesn't belong in the top 10. He had one big game. That was his 2015 season so far. Beside the Giant game he's been below avg QB.

In comment 12634322 NYGmen58 said:

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to "rank" Eli Manning: "Whatever you're saying doesn't matter and never will matter, because when it's all said and done, Eli Manning will be in the top 10 all-time in almost every major passing statistic/category and have a bust in Canton". The same can be said for very few of all the other quarterbacks each year ranked "above" Eli.

really good stuff. 2 rings to boot

In comment 12634853 Ira said:

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We have to somehow make the playoffs, somehow advance to the Super Bowl and somehow beat the Patriots. Don't ask me how.

Ive been all over the radio after 2011 saying as much. he proved everyone wrong in 2011 by the way in which he carried the team to the championship all year. shit OL, shit run game, shit D -- everything that's ever been said about the team around Eli propping him up was last in the NFL that year. dead fucking last.

and yet, a second ring. anyone who has anything negative to say after 2011 doesnt know a god damn thing.

and always has been. he has consistently disrespected Eli through these lists for a couple of years now.

to his credit, i'm almost certain his background was as a fantasy writer for Yahoo before his NFL.com job.

he's a fucking turd and his lists are a joke. i swore i wouldn't let his bullshit piss me off anymore, but if for just this year, with a gun to your head, you'd really say you'd take 12 QBs over Eli, then you are a complete fucking jackass. FUCK.

In comment 12634353 Matt M. said:

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any other QB. For a few years now, Eli has had one legit WR (first it was Cruz and now Beckham), with little to no running game, no legit TE, and a porous OL. He has poor speed, yet he remains one of the least sacked QBs in the league, has NEVER missed a start, and for a couple of years now is playing at the top of the game. in fact, I really think 2013 was his only truly bad year. Before anyone throws out 2010, I have long maintained that year was actually the start of an upswing for him, not 2011. The INTs were mostly drops and WR error. That has been long established. The rest of his game was really outstanding that year and was the building block for 2011 and beyond.

bingo! well said. Look at how awful rodgers just played in these last few games with no jordy and a hurt lacy. Funny how that impacts qb play. Eli is so underrated its scary. guy is shredding d's with a kick returner as his #2.

really.. Eli has rings.. he has been to the mountain top.. twice.. and beaten one of the best.. TWICE...

Rivers? the king of garbage time stats?
Brees? one big game against the worst D in the league...us.

This list is full of stupid...

What burns me is that I knew, in the Gilbride era, that these fuckers had no clue how QB-unfriendly the system was, so I gave them a pass.

Now with a QB-friendly offense, I fully expected some vindication...but NOOOOOO!

But I will say this, part of the problem has been Eli has a bad habit of having some of his worst games in prime time games. Too many games like that Monday night against the Eagles don't help his case and those are the games where people are watching him.

In comment 12634804 KWALL2 said:

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people here haven't watched the Cardinals this year. Carson Palmer is playing great ball. Not just stats. He's moving around and making big time throws. The list is based on this year only. Palmer is either 2 or 3. I'd still rank Rodgers over him. But he's a legit #3 QB in the league to this point of 2015 season.

No one is knocking Palmer. Instead people are knocking Eli's rating. You're getting defensive over literally nothing

Fans from all NFL teams are hammering Rosenthal over the ranking of Eli.

Refreshing to read. Maybe the tide is turning.

but the fans protesting Eli at 13, have got it right. Eli is not 6, not 4, not elite. He, quite simply is #1. Rodgers, has shown his proper level the past few weeks, after running into some adversity. Has one SB. Brady, has strolled along on Gronk and Edelman this year, and strong teams and great coaching in the past. Went flat last Sunday with less time to pass, and a weaker receiving corps. Have we not all seen Brady in that role before. The problem with all these hyped ratings of QBs is that football is a team game. Teams get hot and can carry an average QB for a time, but that does not make such individuals the best QB around. Russell Wilson, with Lynch weakening defenses and a nearly impregnable defense to repeatedly hand him the ball in good field position, was a passable QB, but had the window closed on him in the clutch in the SB. This year with his team weakening around him, mediocre indeed. The Kapernick bloom, has shriveled on the vine.

Eli, more than most of the so-called better QBs, has had to contend with team issues, the running game, the O-Line, the WR attrition factor, the offensive and defensive coordinator issues, but given half a chance has come through. He has shown that he can react and adapt. In 11, he did so, and with a quarter of a chance, singlehandedly (almost) brought home the SB. He improves those around him, and time after time has developed receivers, who have had their best period while playing with him. He is subject to the brain-fart factor, which all QBs exhibit sooner or later. Sure he has thrown interceptions, but typically off of some receivers hands, or in a low percentage attempt to salvage a hopeless cause. This year, for example he lost 52-49 to Drew Brees. (Just another Eli mess up.)He gave his team a chance, but that day, the defence just didn't have it. So, some argue, Brees is a better QB.

However, over time Eli has been the most consistent, and certainly the most durable of all of the league's QBs. He is at his best in the clutch, and does not give up. He is never selfish, even when his stats will go for the chop, and shows a determined and unrelenting will to win, if at all possible. He has overcome periods of stress and frustration, and has already merited the Hall of Fame. He has never complained when the latest flash in the pan, or two or three of them, become the flavor of the day, and get lauded as better than him. Sorry, but for ten years now, he has consistently, subject to the periodic period of flash and glory for one or the other QBs, been, and is #1 in the NFL.

In comment 12634487 Chris684 said:

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keep showing up ahead of Eli on these lists?

Because years ago, all the talking heads stood up and said "San Diego raped the Giants in that trade." Well, they look pretty foolish with Eli's 2 Super Bowls to Rivers 0. They don't want to admit they are just plain wrong.