Your most overrated player in the NFL...

and its not close.

Patrick Peterson

Tough room re: Calvin Johnson. He's banged up, and just past 30, but there is no doubt that he deserved the recognition he got most of the last decade.

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Patrick Peterson

moreso than Sherman? Im convinced Sherman would get shreded without the same help he has over the top as he does now. He's struggled this year badly and lacks top end speed. Peterson has speed in spades.

In comment 12635113 Rob in CT/NYC said:

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Tough room re: Calvin Johnson. He's banged up, and just past 30, but there is no doubt that he deserved the recognition he got most of the last decade.

of course he was great at a time but the last 2 years he doesn't look like the same guy.

I've seen Peterson constantly get picked on.. He makes a big play or has a return TD every now and then but his cover skills aren't great.

he hasn't been a top WR in a couple of years and everyone knows it.

Matt Ryan is mine. Never seen a guy come up so small so often who still gets the praise he does.

but it seems like a reasonable career arc, so while I agree that he doesn't looklike Megatron, but we may just disagree on the word overrated - I wouldn't use it for an aging great, but no big deal.

just kidding..

Matt Ryan is a good choice.

He's a very good QB, but he catches little to no blame for anything that's gone wrong in Atlanta and for his teams consistently failing in win or else games.

It's weird because he's not even some force of personality nor does he have any jaw dropping specific skill to draw people in and get himself the pass pretty much no other QB in shoes would get.

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and its not close.

I agree w Ryan but I think Russel Wilson is right behind him. Damn close

and I agree on Wilson to an extent. A few injuries to their offense and his game has gone to shit.

He's washed up

Oh wait, you said player.

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he gets praise for the same thing that others at his position get criticize for to be honest. The guy racks up those sacks against stinky OLs and is quiet against quality opponents. But when his stats last year was broken down against his opponents above .500 vs under it was just confirmed for me.

In comment 12635133 tikimvp said:

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He's washed up

An important distinction. He was a generational talent. He got old.

It was RG3, Kap, Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, the next running quarterback.

stafford and the OL have been horrible.

My vote goes to Matt Ryan with Andy Dalton not very far behind

The guy has been blessed with HOF talent at times in his career, studs at all skill positions and he consistantly comes up short. I have yet to hear any negative press on him. Like someone said, he doesn't even have a strong personality that draws people in to be hyped from that perspective.

Dallas Cowboys offensive line. Their leading rusher averages 3.8 yards per carry and the entire team only has 6 rushing touchdowns. In addition, the Cowboy QB's have been sacked 20 times opposed to Eli being sacked 15. For the best unit in the league, you would think that they would do a better job of carrying the team through tough times

My gosh, no QB and no running back what do you expect?
Now they add Collins. Wow .

Russell Wilson circa his entire career
Tom Brady to a certain in extent

I'd nominate Brady and OBJ.

Calvin is so washed up and overrated? I think it's more due to the dysfunction in Detroit.

Look at Larry Fitzgerald's stats from 2012-2014.

And it's not close either

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Has to be accounted for but you expect a lot more than he gives. 1 or 2 plays a game isn't worth his salary cap hit

since legally they're barely even allowed to play football.

But it's close.

Love the back story about being a walk on and everything but now they speak of him in same breath as LT and he is nowhere close to taking over games like that.

On a different plane I would nominate Sheldon Day from Notre Dame. Everyone raves about how he is a force and can't be blocked but the few games I have watched he almost always blocked and pushed out of the way

I'd also mention Aaron Rodgers. He's very good, but the people already talking about him as an all time player go overboard.

smh

In comment 12635111 dep026 said:

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and its not close.

+1, although I think Flacco is pretty overrated but it won't win an argument because he has that SB.

In comment 12635186 SHO'NUFF said:

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Russell Wilson circa his entire career Tom Brady to a certain in extent

I don't agree. He plays the game with heart. Say what you will about his off the field behavior (it was horrid) I love how he plays on the field. Tom Brady is in a great situation...but he works hard to make himself successful much like the Mannings.

but they affect the outcome of the game more than any other player.

Not just because he's a whiney, weak sister. Bryant has always come-up small in big spots. Dropping passes, failing to stay in-bounds, not fighting for passes. Yet, he is referred to as one of the top wide receivers in the league. Yeah... Dez Bryant for MOP (Most Overrated Player).

Are overrated? I've never seen such grand stupidity ooze out in one place ever. Adrien Peterson? thats literally the stupidest thing that I've ever read.

As for Russell Wilson, oh I overrated, I just gave THE definition of overrated, which is RUSSELL wilson. Friday Morning groups before work, the big Sand Castle.

#1 Russell Wilson
#2 Cam Newton


...basically any player that has ever been in a play in the NFL and did something good is going to be casted as overrated, especially Adrien Peterson lol fucking stupidity has no bounds

Imo enough talent to trick you into thinking you could rely on them to win

Now Dez Bryant is overrated too, from a Giants fan? How many times has he punched our garbage defense in the mouth? What could we do about it? nothing ...

If I didn't have to hear a Giant fan rave about how great Romo was, it wouldn't be too ...soon. Ah, work time for the 39-J.

The guy couldn't read a defense and praised as Revolutionary.

Brady were jokes.

If not, the only thing dumber than saying Peterson, is saying Brady.

No one has ever been as good as we make him. He might be greatest of all time, a sentiment I do not share, but really they often make him sound inhuman.

In comment 12635260 RForlan789 said:

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RE: LOL Now Dez Bryant is overrated too, from a Giants fan? How many times has he punched our garbage defense in the mouth? What could we do about it? nothing ...

Witten has eaten the Giants lunch and stolen their lunch money. Bryant has crapped-out...

Cutler for example is not highly rated because he shouldn't be. Megatron is on the downside of his career and I think "experts" would rate him accordingly. Kaepernick just got benched so how can he be called "over" rated.

I like Ryan and Wilson so far for QBs. I might include Andrew Luck myself but not sure that's fair. I think Suh is an excellent choice as well outside of QB. I also agree with the Dallas O-Line. They are good but often talked about like they are all time and they are not even close to that.

Some people overrate him, some people underrate him.

I anticipate he will get more credit than he will deserve if they turn things after his return. The team's losing streak has been about a lot more than just the QB play, but they probably rally around his return and I expect other areas to pick up.

If they lose a game or two after his return though, things could also implode.

is further proving this year how awful the decision to not go to Lynch was in the SB. With a hobbled Lynch that team as average at best with an offense that doesn't do a single thing well. Now that they can't pound the ball, Wilson is on track for his most attempts and turnovers of his career. He's only thrown 10 TD's in 9 games (0 rushing TD's too), that is HORRENDOUS.

owned this title for a couple years.

I don't think Russell Wilson is overrated, he's not considered an elite QB, is he? he's kind of a Joe Flacco who can run. or maybe I'm just out of touch with the nationally accepted ratings.

once dominant players that are clearly past their prime. I don't know if overrated is the right term. They still can make a play now and then, but are nowhere near their stature as 'great' players.

he's not a fine player, but because of the fact that he gets away with more pass interference than any cornerback in the game. Half of the plays he makes draw a flag when other players make them. His reputation seems to have made him immune from getting called for interference.

He's a great player but the way the NFL/media polishes his knob every day is ridiculous.

Russel Wilson also in a close second. Again, a very good player/athlete, but definitely not in the top 1/3 of qbs.

happens to play a position that, with proper gameplanning, can be neutralized for long stretches. He will always get his but I don't see JJ Watt or any DT changing the face of a franchise.

Even in our SB runs, Strahan, Tuck, Osi, JPP all had moments and it took the sum of the parts for them to hit home on Brady. Watt needs Clowney to be Clemson Clowney otherwise he's going to be held in check a lot on game day. I don't think it has anything to do with Watt not being a great player, he is.

He's the second highest paid qb in the league and is easily the worst player near the top of the salaries list.

Oh my cousin would hate you so much right now

In comment 12635459 Greg from LI said:

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Oh my cousin would hate you so much right now

Haha. I mean, that's the last time he was any good right? I'll go a step further, Sophomore Clemson Clowney?

name a better defensive player.

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yeah i'm an idiot, no idea why Clemson is on my brain.

the guy is one hell of an athlete but his numbers arent really good..everyone hoots and hollers about him like hes the best in the league....and mvp talk? give me a fucking break

he is 21st in the NFL with 2037 passing yards, names like Cousins, Alex Smith (whos a good qb but barely throws the ball more then 6 yards) and rookie winston in front of him

he is 12th in the nfl with 15 Td passes to go along with 9 picks

he has completed only 56% of his passes

he has 11 turnovers this season - 11 int and 2 fumbles

the guy is one hell of an athlete but his numbers arent really good..everyone hoots and hollers about him like hes the best in the league....and mvp talk? give me a fucking break

he is 21st in the NFL with 2037 passing yards, names like Cousins, Alex Smith (whos a good qb but barely throws the ball more then 6 yards) and rookie winston in front of him

he is 12th in the nfl with 15 Td passes to go along with 9 picks

he has completed only 56% of his passes

he has 11 turnovers this season - 11 int and 2 fumbles

and watch the games. Cam Newton is behind Brady in the MVP race, I think its clear as day.

Rodgers.

Ft away. His accuracy is scary how it comes and goes. His team is stacked. He is not the MVP.

In comment 12635628 UConn4523 said:

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and watch the games. Cam Newton is behind Brady in the MVP race, I think its clear as day.

I think he is top 5, not 2nd though. I think Palmer should get the nod for that one.

Carolina is going to start losing some games soon. They have some tough ones coming up.

Anyone who said Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Adrian Peterson needs to just leave the football site and go find a knitting board to post on.

If this weren't a Giants board, you know the answer would be Eli.

I'd say Tony Romo but certainly agree with Matt Ryan.

How can you call a future Hall of Famer and perennial Pro Bowler overrated?

When I think of the term overrated, I think if the players career to this point...not how they are currently playing.

Aaron Rodgers?

Calvin Johnson?

Adrian Peterson?

JJ Watt?

Dez Bryant?

How is Tony Romo overrated? He's a great QB who has multiple comeback wins on his resume.

Is today opposite day or something?

but he along with the team have slowed down this season. HE was anything but overrated--production is production anyway you slice it and WIlson produced. But he isn't producing this season. Maybe it's a little bit of the OL or Lynch or Wilson regressing or a combo of all three but Wilson's not making the plays he made from 12-14.

In comment 12635761 djm said:

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but he along with the team have slowed down this season. HE was anything but overrated--production is production anyway you slice it and WIlson produced. But he isn't producing this season. Maybe it's a little bit of the OL or Lynch or Wilson regressing or a combo of all three but Wilson's not making the plays he made from 12-14.

I would use the word contributed. Lynch and the defense produced. Wilson was given a first class ticket to ride along.

How many playoff wins does Tony Romo have for the media worship he's garnered?

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How many playoff wins does Tony Romo have for the media worship he's garnered?

I kind of have to agree with this. This QB, sans Peyton manning, has probably had more offensive weapons than anyone in the last 10-12 years. It doesnt mean he is a bad QB whatsoever, but for all the love and fame he gets - he doesnt have enough on his resume.

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How many playoff wins does Tony Romo have for the media worship he's garnered?

How many QB's would you take ahead of him?

aka St. Drew.

He has made a living surrounded by major talent in that dome where every game turns into a track meet.

Ask him to win a big game on the road and it gets alittle hairy.

He's also had some high interception totals but in those seasons the narrative is that "he's pressing" trying to do too much.

In comment 12635820 Chris684 said:

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aka St. Drew. He has made a living surrounded by major talent in that dome where every game turns into a track meet. Ask him to win a big game on the road and it gets alittle hairy. He's also had some high interception totals but in those seasons the narrative is that "he's pressing" trying to do too much.

Stop it. You're killing me. Drew Brees won a Super Bowl. He's been a top QB throughout his career.

Is doing this year is proving he's been underrated.

He's one guy who certainly has a much bigger impact then what you see on the box score. His running skills forces defenses to change gameplans. Because of it he's able to produce points (3rd in NFL) with the worst set of skill position players in the league.

After the GB game the packers said they changed what the plan was to eliminate Olson after Newton had a few big runs early.

What he does in the Red Zone is special too. Nobody else can do what he does here. It makes the team much better that he's able to produce such a high red zone TD % even without even avg talent at WR.

Cam Newton is one of the most valuable players in the NFL right now.

Being mentioned is strange. Who in your lifetime has had the kind of 3-4 year run like Watt?

We'll give him normal production for games missed this year. In no particular order:
Brady
Rodgers
Palmer
Big Ben
Rivers
Carr
Cam
Brees
Eli

Romo's a good QB, I'm a Dallas hater but I'm being objective here, when I say Romo is the overrated I'm saying for his godlike status from the media he should be a perennial playoff participant (say that three times fast).

In comment 12635851 Cruzin said:

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We'll give him normal production for games missed this year. In no particular order: Brady Rodgers Palmer Big Ben Rivers Carr Cam Brees Eli Romo's a good QB, I'm a Dallas hater but I'm being objective here, when I say Romo is the overrated I'm saying for his godlike status from the media he should be a perennial playoff participant (say that three times fast).

Thats a fair list for the most part, but I would definitely take him over Carr and absolutely over Rivers, and maybe even Cam Newton.

Its not like anyone is calling him the best QB in the league. No one with any sense would say that he's better than Brady or Rodgers but you could make a case for him being top 5 and I think the attention he receives is appropriate. Maybe we hate it more than we normally would because he plays for the Cowboys and we hate the Cowboys.

I can't believe I'm defending Tony Romo. I feel dirty.

Stud in the New Orleans system - now - not so much.

seems like you're making a different argument.

To be overrated doesnt mean you are not GOOD. It simply means that you are given more credit than others for a similar body of work or held on some type of pedestal by the national media.

(Hey, someone had to get his name in a thread today!)

In comment 12635848 KWALL2 said:

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Being mentioned is strange. Who in your lifetime has had the kind of 3-4 year run like Watt?

My only issue with Watt is his manufactured personality. He's the best DE in the league, but man, does he come off like he's NFL's John Cena.

I can't wait to see what that team looks like in year 3 of his massive contract.

Glad someone said it.

So you have the best OL in the game, a top 5 RB, and the best defense in the game... my grandmother would look great throwing play action passes behind all of that - and she's a cadaver 6 ft underground.

Give the guy an OL as bad as the Giants were last year, or the Steelers a few years back or the Pats now! Forget it. Andrew Luck put up monster numbers last year getting killed by defenders and handing off to Trent Richardson and the ghost of Ahmad Bradshaw. Cmon.

He is praised for the same thing that other DEs get destroyed for putting up big stats against weak opponents but not doing it against quality opponents. It's just that simple. No one has to debate the issue, it is not an opinion. It is based on fact. His stats are mostly against AFC south teams, Jaguars, Colts and Titans. When he plays teams outside of his division his production... wait for it... is average.

For example JPP put up big numbers against the AFC south last season and was criticize for it because they were seen as weak. Hell even fans of those teams have pointed this out and the fact that Watt gets to play them twice a year.

He has so much talent around him - its hard for me to see how he's an elite player. He's good - but is he really the difference with that Seahawks defense? I don't think so.

most underrated QB in the NFL right now (Flacco #3, Palmer #1).

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Joe Buck likes to talk about "THE LEGEND OF TONY ROMO" and crap like that, but nobody suggests Romo is at the level of Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning (before this season).

I think Romo is really good, a tough guy on the field, and a big difference maker. Look at how Dallas has struggled without him -- much more than New England struggled the year Brady was out.

I find Romo annoying, and I get bored hearing TV people blather about him, since his team really hasn't accomplished much -- but that's their blathering, not his. I have huge respect for him as a player.

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and its not close.

First response was the most accurate.