Glauber: Decisions on Curz, JPP, Amukamara, and Beason

would be the Transition tag which allows us the option to match any offers, if we cannot come to agreeable terms

takes a cut to stay in NY. I'm not sure he gets as many endorsements elsewhere.

I've think he'll retire. He knows he can't continue and who would pay him even vet min given his injury history.

Beason is gone.

Cruz is gone if he doesn't accept a major cut, not restructure, a pay cut.

Prince can't play ten games a year. Offer a reasonable increase, nothing too substantial.

JPP should again be offered a reasonable contract that won't break the bank. A lot still depends how he performs over the next 6 games.

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He's in the final year of his $8.18 million rookie contract, of which $7.5 million was guaranteed.

Strictly speaking, that's accurate - sort of. Amukamara was paid $8.18MM for his first four seasons. The Giants exercised his fifth-year option at $6.9MM. So he will have earned over $15MM by the time his initial commitment to the Giants lapses.

and perhaps the injury histories for the big three will be enough to temper their expectations, and offers from other teams, while hammering out compromises with each.

Still need to draft each of those positions to keep the pipeline flowing and hedge injuries.

Prince back though for less of a contract than I think he's hoping--he's very good but not always on the field and that costs money and roster spot for an additional player.

JPP at a fair price? YES.

Cruz? Depends on his condition.

pretty much a no-brainer.

The man is older, and is injury prone.

Cruz - either a substantial pay cut with incentives, or he needs to be released.

I think the Giants will work hard on JPP and Prince to take reasonable, fair contracts.

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If he's not willing, or he can't make the roster at that point, then it's time to bid him farewell.

here would agree that Beason is a goner.

Prince? I'd keep him even at his current pay.

Cruz? If he doesn't take a pay cut then adios and thanks for the memories.

JPP? He isn't worth $10 million. No way in hell. He's better than what they had before he came back, but that's not saying much. I really would not break the bank for him.

outside of "bench player making the vet minimum." He absolutely, positively cannot be treated like he has any potential as a starter whatsoever.

If he proves in the final six games that he is still a feared pass-rusher, it makes just a much sense as it did last year.

Hopefully they will be able to work out deals with Cruz and Prince that are incentive-based.

Cruz and Beason are more cut and dry, and perhaps inevitable

If you don't resign him you have to sign a starting FA CB. That's big money and one might not be available. JPP is like Prince. Sign him or replace him. Same problems again. With Cruz under contract I'm sure they will work out something that makes sense.

Cruz needs to be restructured or gone; either of Prince/JPP need a contract, team friendly, the other gets a tag.

But I think what many of us have learned by now, is that nothing is a "no-brainer" with this regime

Cruz is not that easy to do what is being suggested. They would have to cut him, leaving him open to the FA market, in order to give him a significant pay cut and/or incentive laden deal. Otherwise, it is a re-structuring of his current deal which I don't think can actually reduce the total value by more than a certain percentage. Salary can be reduced, but converted to a bonus, which would be amortized, likely over a longer period.

Cruz, as I mentioned above, can be tricky. JPP is essentially playing now to see what value he has to them, if any. He might actually be the easiest of the 4 to bring back at this point. Prince is likely the best or second best player of the 4, but has yet to play a full season. They may be just as inclined to let him walk. I do like the idea of a transition tag to be able to match offers, though.

In comment 12636582 Matt M. said:

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Cruz is not that easy to do what is being suggested. They would have to cut him, leaving him open to the FA market, in order to give him a significant pay cut and/or incentive laden deal. Otherwise, it is a re-structuring of his current deal which I don't think can actually reduce the total value by more than a certain percentage. Salary can be reduced, but converted to a bonus, which would be amortized, likely over a longer period.

Not true, Kiwi took a big paycut
Players can do a restructure that pays them less.

In comment 12636582 Matt M. said:

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Cruz is not that easy to do what is being suggested. They would have to cut him, leaving him open to the FA market, in order to give him a significant pay cut and/or incentive laden deal. Otherwise, it is a re-structuring of his current deal which I don't think can actually reduce the total value by more than a certain percentage. Salary can be reduced, but converted to a bonus, which would be amortized, likely over a longer period.

Matt, wouldn't it be reduced a bunch if by restructuring with more years? Not that I believe we should necessarily do that if he's good to go, just using a hypothetical.

but if they had parted ways with Kiwi, would Cruz command more on the open market than an older Kiwi would have?

maybe. The other two are already retired, Why repeat the Beason mistake with Cruz. Lets move on and let them as well. This front office has to learn the game after all this time. Don't they ? MO.

In comment 12636595 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12636582 Matt M. said: Quote: Cruz is not that easy to do what is being suggested. They would have to cut him, leaving him open to the FA market, in order to give him a significant pay cut and/or incentive laden deal. Otherwise, it is a re-structuring of his current deal which I don't think can actually reduce the total value by more than a certain percentage. Salary can be reduced, but converted to a bonus, which would be amortized, likely over a longer period. Matt, wouldn't it be reduced a bunch if by restructuring with more years? Not that I believe we should necessarily do that if he's good to go, just using a hypothetical.

You can do anything you like with a contract as long as both parties agree. Reduce salary outright, turn salary into bonus, extend, whatever. I think Cruz will agree to a reduction for next year based on the last two years of being paid and not playing.

I hope JPP is brought back and I hope that both sides can make it reasonable. The Giants were very patient with JPP and one can only hope that he appreciates that when negotiating his new deal.

Prince is a good player but can't stay healthy. Again, he has been paid a good amount of money for the amount of playing time he has actually had. Hopefully he signs a reasonable contract and stays.

The biggest question mark is Cruz. He is a fan favorite. He came out of nowhere and helped lead this team to a superbowl. I think if he shows he is healthy prior to next season his contract goes unchanged.

No one is going to pay him with what's happened in the last two years. He will take a reduction for next year to show he deserves to play out the remainder of his contract. That's a better deal than he can get if released.

Unless Beatty thinks some other team is going to pay him starting OLT money -- which doesn't seem likely. He could be back if he wants reserve OL money.

JPP -- depends on his performance this year. Cruz -- incentive based contract.

Prince -- re sign (i.e. normally). He's still quite young and quite good.

are all FA after this season.

salary implications with Jennings, but I think he should be part of this discussion as well.

Cruz cut
Beason retires
Prince leaves Giants

JPP stays with another tag

and everyone's comments that "I want him back at a fair price." A fair price by definition is what the market will bear for the player. the only way to determine that is to allow the player to test the market. when a player tests the market he may like his deal and take it without offering a right to match. To avoid having the player test the market his notion of what he is worth must match the Giants notion of the same.

Beason gets offered the vet minimum (if anything)
Cruz will get an offer that is almost wholly incentive based
Prince will get a big number but with an easy out if the injuries continue and he can't play
JPP - I have to think that either (a) there is at least the parameters of a deal in place or (b) they have already parted ways with him

is starting to shift. I'm beginning to wonder if the better plan would be to release him and sign a younger tackle like Glenn.

Putting Beatty at RT at this age coming off an injury feels like putting a square peg into a round hole. Glenn might be a better fit at RT. We can afford it (maybe 6 mil?), and the cash we save on Beatty will cover a large chunk of the first year salary.

Thoughts?

I thought Beatty was a part of this discussion as well.

How concerned are they about his history of injuries?
How do they feel about Beatty when he is healthy?
After a full season with Flowers at left tackle, where do they feel his future is?
The wrong answer on any of those questions could mean Beatty is history.

I'm more concerned about Ayers, Brinkley, and Merriweather honestly. I would like to see those 3 kept on 1-2 year deals.

Prince and JPP would be nice to keep at a fair price.
Cruz would be good to keep at a reduced price and if he is healthy.
I hope Beatty is kept as well.

Beason needs to go. Kuhn can be picked up whenever he is needed IMO. Randle who knows.

Unfortunately Beatty, Prince, JPP, Cruz, and Beason all could be big gambles based on injuries.

Cruz is a slot receiver that has not shown the durability to be used in that role. Do we expect him to be able to be more durable after back-to-back injury plagued years? I'm afraid this is very similar to Steve Smith's position a few years ago.

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I'm more concerned about Ayers, Brinkley, and Merriweather honestly. I would like to see those 3 kept on 1-2 year deals.

Ayers is an interesting one. He is OK, but not great. He hasn't been healthy, and he is 30. They might not sign him.

Merriweather will probably be gone depending on FA and the health of Berhe and Jackson.

Brinkley will return I think.

In comment 12636600 Big Blue '56 said:

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but if they had parted ways with Kiwi, would Cruz command more on the open market than an older Kiwi would have?

Not sure how the two are related, but when they do this, you have to assume the player gets a little more than they think they would on the open market. Otherwise they would refuse and force the team to cut them

The agents can obviously figure out how much dead cap space they would create with a cut and factor that in

Beason - cut/retire
Prince - transition tag (I like that suggestion)
Cruz - agrees to a restructure with incentives
JPP - franchise tagged again
Beatty - cut or restructure (RT pay)

It's disappointing to me how easily some of you are ready to give up on Cruz. He was instrumental in a Super Bowl run and has done nothing but represent this team well. I think some of you were spoiled by the fact that the team went from Steve Smith to Victor Cruz without skipping a beat, so you think anybody can play the slot at a high level with Eli at QB. It's not the case.

We've been fortunate to have had two guys in a row who are Pro Bowl quality slot receivers. It takes a special receiver to excel at the slot, because there's more to it than just physical talent, you need to be smart and you need to put your ego aside and be all about Eli. Smith was able to do this. So was Cruz. Not everyone can.

I'm rooting hard for Cruz to return from injury. He won't be easy to replace if he can't. And as Reese said, the money situation will work itself out once Cruz has put his injuries in the rearview mirror.

that they would need to do something with the contract as its currently structured

The number of receivers that came back and performed well from the surgery Cruz had was low - combine that with another injury and him nearing 30 and it's hard to be optimistic about him going forward. I'd still like to see him back on a small deal to see if he has anything left, though,

I'm guessing they will settle in the 3-5 per year range as opposed to the 7.75 per he is due now

is just another guy out there. Never impressed and always hurt with pussy injuries. Living on being a first round selection but should have gone in the third round. JPP I make an aggressive push for, The other two guys.......say bye bye in the car!

but it's not a finished process.

I can tell you the Giants debated David Wilson or Cordy Glenn in the war room, and picked the "explosive weapon". They had Shady envy that offeason. Glenn in, Beatty out would not shock me in the least.

I suspect it's mostly frustrated fans that want him gone, but fully expect NYG will do all they can to reach a compromise for him to remain in blue.

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but it's not a finished process. I can tell you the Giants debated David Wilson or Cordy Glenn in the war room, and picked the "explosive weapon". They had Shady envy that offeason. Glenn in, Beatty out would not shock me in the least.

...and what a talented, young offensive line we would have.

I'm liking this idea a lot.

and/or infuse another prospect via the draft, sign Glenn, boom.

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Thank you for the email, hope you're doing well!

NYG's issue now is finding a talent at DE, and it would be wise to add a WR and CB to the pipeline.

In comment 12636630 BillT said:

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In comment 12636595 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 12636582 Matt M. said: Quote: Cruz is not that easy to do what is being suggested. They would have to cut him, leaving him open to the FA market, in order to give him a significant pay cut and/or incentive laden deal. Otherwise, it is a re-structuring of his current deal which I don't think can actually reduce the total value by more than a certain percentage. Salary can be reduced, but converted to a bonus, which would be amortized, likely over a longer period. Matt, wouldn't it be reduced a bunch if by restructuring with more years? Not that I believe we should necessarily do that if he's good to go, just using a hypothetical. You can do anything you like with a contract as long as both parties agree. Reduce salary outright, turn salary into bonus, extend, whatever. I think Cruz will agree to a reduction for next year based on the last two years of being paid and not playing.

I don't believe this is exactly true. Restructured contracts don't remove money from the table. They convert future salary into bonus that gets amortized over time, usually an extension to the original deal. So, it spreads lowers salary and spreads out your costs, but leaves you with a longer contract and cap implications for a longer period of time. You can't reduce the toal value by more than a certain percentage.

In comment 12636771 Trainmaster said:

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Beason - cut/retire Prince - transition tag (I like that suggestion) Cruz - agrees to a restructure with incentives JPP - franchise tagged again Beatty - cut or restructure (RT pay)

I think you can't use both the transition and franchise tag in the same season.

For JPP?

I have no idea right now.

Too soon, but Glauber's round figure of $10M would seem like a healthy target for both sides to shoot for.

In comment 12636915 KWALL2 said:

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For JPP? I have no idea right now.

People are throwing 10 million around, but that seems low to me.

Perhaps Jon can shed a light on this, but the speculation I heard was that the Giants valued him around 12 last year, and talks stalled due to the length of the contract.

Anybody have some insight?

if they kept him for 10 million per year. Sounds good to me. :)

Various media reports ranged $10-13M.

Heard JPP's camp was targeting $15M and 7 years, which was LESS than they were talking about during training camp 2012 after the SB win. (7/125)

and he'll have to perform at a very significant level to see a contract similar to other top 4-3 DEs. NYG was willing to pay him nearly $9M for half a season now, although I wouldn't assume they'd pay him anywhere near $18M for a full campaign. Wouldn't suck if he made the decision hard for the team.

In comment 12636482 USAF NYG Fan said:

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takes a cut to stay in NY. I'm not sure he gets as many endorsements elsewhere.

With Jay Z as his agent? He'll get the endorsements whether it be in NY or LA. His injury will heal up just in time for fashion week, where he'll be strutting next to the Kardashians and Kanye because of Jay Z. He won't accept anything less to play for the Giants so him and his side chicks will be in for a shock when he gets cut in March.

Yes when people talk about a restructure contract they usually are talking about exchanging salary for bonus in order to free up cap space.

But that's not the only type of restructure. restructure just means a change in the details, it could be anything including a pay cut.

The only limitation I'm aware of is that you can only touch a deal once a year

may both be gone....

In comment 12636900 Matt M. said:

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In comment 12636630 BillT said: Quote: In comment 12636595 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 12636582 Matt M. said: Quote: Cruz is not that easy to do what is being suggested. They would have to cut him, leaving him open to the FA market, in order to give him a significant pay cut and/or incentive laden deal. Otherwise, it is a re-structuring of his current deal which I don't think can actually reduce the total value by more than a certain percentage. Salary can be reduced, but converted to a bonus, which would be amortized, likely over a longer period. Matt, wouldn't it be reduced a bunch if by restructuring with more years? Not that I believe we should necessarily do that if he's good to go, just using a hypothetical. You can do anything you like with a contract as long as both parties agree. Reduce salary outright, turn salary into bonus, extend, whatever. I think Cruz will agree to a reduction for next year based on the last two years of being paid and not playing. I don't believe this is exactly true. Restructured contracts don't remove money from the table. They convert future salary into bonus that gets amortized over time, usually an extension to the original deal. So, it spreads lowers salary and spreads out your costs, but leaves you with a longer contract and cap implications for a longer period of time. You can't reduce the total value by more than a certain percentage.

You can just add extra years on the end that both parties know will never happen. There is no way of reducing the guaranteed money from the previous contract. Any bonuses paid still count against the cap no matter how you redo the contract.

$ cut.

JPP: We'll see.

Prince: I love Prince, but he's always injured. It'll be interesting to see what he commands on the open market.

Beason: Time to move on unfortunately.

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and he'll have to perform at a very significant level to see a contract similar to other top 4-3 DEs. NYG was willing to pay him nearly $9M for half a season now, although I wouldn't assume they'd pay him anywhere near $18M for a full campaign. Wouldn't suck if he made the decision hard for the team.

Here's another idea..What about a 1 year deal for around 10 per? It keeps him in blue for a year, and he gets a chance to prove he is worth a bigger long term deal.

For him it seems he'd rather wait a year and earn 14 as opposed to locking himself in at 10.

Welcome to the N(ot) F(or) L(ong).

Potential cap casualties (in addition to Cruz and Beason):
Will Beatty
Geoff Schwartz
Rashad Jennings
Jonathan Casillas
J.T. Thomas needs to finish strong, or he's on this list too. Shane Vereen is expensive to keep in 2016, but might be worth it. John Jerry and Mark Herzlich probably survive the March roster-bonus purge.

Notable free agents (in addition to Amukamara and Pierre-Paul):
Robert Ayers
Rueben Randle
Larry Donnell (RFA - likely tender)
Josh Brown
Trumaine McBride
Jayron Hosley
Zak DeOssie
Markus Kuhn
Plus one-year yet pickups who have contributed, like Brandon Meriweather and Jasper Brinkley.

Not exactly an all-star team, but what's left as the core of the team? Manning, Beckham, Pugh, Richburg, Flowers, Hankins, Rodgers-Cromartie, Collins, Kennard, plus maybe Harris? Beyond that, you're hoping guys like Bromley, Wynn, Moore and Odighizuwa raise their game above JaG level. Which - based on their track record and Coach Nunn's, doesn't seem all that likely. For a team that's three years into rebuilding, the 2016 roster has a lot of question marks.

Are we looking for a kicker as well?

re Vereen. You cannot be serious..You keep your reasonably young players..He's core, imv

but Beason and Cruz should be gone. They should replace Beatty with a right tackle and Prince with a good corner who can stay on the field. Hopefully, they'll be able to work something out with JPP - but not another franchise.

In comment 12637265 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 12636950 JonC said: Quote: and he'll have to perform at a very significant level to see a contract similar to other top 4-3 DEs. NYG was willing to pay him nearly $9M for half a season now, although I wouldn't assume they'd pay him anywhere near $18M for a full campaign. Wouldn't suck if he made the decision hard for the team. Here's another idea..What about a 1 year deal for around 10 per? It keeps him in blue for a year, and he gets a chance to prove he is worth a bigger long term deal. For him it seems he'd rather wait a year and earn 14 as opposed to locking himself in at 10.

1 for 10 doesn't sound realistic even with only seeing 2 games.

No way JPP signs for that

He is getting better with age. A 41 year old kicker I'm fine with

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re Vereen. You cannot be serious..You keep your reasonably young players..He's core, imv

His guaranteed cash has all been paid, and his dead money is down to $2.3MM. Each of the next two years, he's due $3.75MM. That's a lot for a third-down specialist, even a really good one.

So there is a decision to be made when his $500K roster bonus comes due - probably not a hard decision if he finishes this season well, but a decision nonetheless. He's no Tiki Barber. He's not even really prime Derrick Ward, because he can't carry a full workload.

He has been a big catalyst for this O and Eli's safety net in McAdoo's O..He can also tote the rock from time to time..Reminds me of a Larry Centers, who, regardless of role designation was integral, imo..And only 27 next year..Sorry bud, but to me this is one player you pay to keep, regardless of what positive accounting Abrams may come up with

and he hasn't disappointed thus far..I cannot see the Giants even contemplating letting him go, imo

"So there is a decision to be made when his $500K roster bonus comes due - probably not a hard decision if he finishes this season well, but a decision nonetheless. He's no Tiki Barber. He's not even really prime Derrick Ward, because he can't carry a full workload. "

Who says Vereen can't carry a full workload? I think he'd be spectacular as the feature back, he's fast, has great hands, good instincts. The misconception is that he's too small, hogwash. Joe Morris called to disagree. Give the man a shot, he's our best RB and was paid to do more than he allowed to do right now.

he will cost $9.2M in 2016. To cut him is a whopping $5M cap hit! Yes you save $4.2M against the cap but who could you get as a replacement tackle for $4.2M?

If healthy, they can hope to get him to sign an incentive laden deal but I wouldn't count on it. You cannot get a quality tackle for anything near $4.2M per, IMO.

Crux of the biscuit , feature Vereen, spell him with Jennings, hold Darkwa in reserve and take Williams out of the rotation.

whopping $5M in dead money!

With the added cap savings from JPP.

For JPP give him the tag again.
Prince resign at market rate

Beason should move into another role in football. I hope he retires or he will be released.

Following past trends with recent players it is highly likely Cruz and Beatty will have to restructure with a massive pay cut replaced by incentives or they will be released.

Cruz and Beason can't be counted on.

can he play RT effectively. If not, then he's likely a goner, and I believe the cap savings is actually north of $6M.

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can he play RT effectively. If not, then he's likely a goner, and I believe the cap savings is actually north of $6M.

yep, save 6.6M on Beatty if he's a post 6/1 cut

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can he play RT effectively. If not, then he's likely a goner, and I believe the cap savings is actually north of $6M.

Would you restructure or part ways? If yes to restructure, what might be a win-win offer and signing iyo?

I'd let him go, sign Cordy Glenn.

to determine if Beatty can play RT well enough by June 1st, no? Wouldn't they really have to go through 1 camp to make that determination?

and isn't, if he can't play RT there's nowhere else to play and justify the $.

It's RT or bust for WB, and I expect NYG to use his cap slot to go after Cordy or similar.

At this point I think Beatty is better at LT than flowers at LT. And Flowers skill set likely translates well to RT, more so than Beatty. Flowers has shown plenty of potential but he has also really struggled with quick and fast players. He is also a nasty SOB, Beatty is a giant teddy bear.

Right now IMO the Giants have an average at best rookie LT and an above average constantly injured LT.

is franchise left tackle. After a full season at the position demonstrating plenty of promise, it's unlikely they move him.

Good point on Glenn..If he's not re-signed, I think the Giants pounce on it

In comment 12637340 JonC said:

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can he play RT effectively. If not, then he's likely a goner, and I believe the cap savings is actually north of $6M.

..and they likely can have Glenn at a number close to that.

The question is whether the market will treat him as a "plus" left tackle. If the answer is yes, the Giants and their pending vacancy at RT may find it difficult to compete.

Agreed, that's the question on Glenn.

Can play anywhere. Reese even said as much saying he could play RT or guard. Beatty if kept is an athletic finesse type player.

So if they intend on keeping flowers at LT I agree they have to cut Beatty or move him and get someone like Glenn.

If Beatty is kept he will be average IMO at RT and be overpaid.
To me Beatty is a good player, his injuries are the only issue. If Beatty were healthy at the start of the season and stayed healthy my bet is right now we are all talking about how Flowers has RT locked down for a decade.

LT is the vital, most difficult position to fill when you have a right-handed QB. When you have a belief you have that player, you plug him in and leave him. Don't overthink it, don't get cute moving parts around.

Talk of EF locking down RT for a decade is short-sighted fanspeak, if you recognize why they drafted him.

They didn't spend a top 10 pick to move him to RT.

I don't know who the RT will be, but it won't be Flowers.

as Jon says is reasonably accurate that the Giants narrowed it down to wilson and Glenn, it figures that they would remain interested since little, if anything, would cause them to lose interest, barring prohibative dollars

Serious question. Do you believe flowers would have beaten out Beatty this offseason if both were healthy?
And that if flowers didn't and dominated at RT they would have moved him to LT next offseason and moved Beatty?

I believe Flowers is the LT of the future, I think in the above scenario they don't put him there until Beatty gets hurt or leaves in FA.

But that's now in the past and essentially it's a strawman argument moving forward.

Beatty has added another two injuroes that prevented him from playing in 2015. Now those injuries, his cap hit, his age, and his soft label all come into the decision process for 2016, which is now where the convo should focus.

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is an interesting name. Despite his size he is a better pass blocker than run blocker. In any rational/no politics evaluation Glenn would be the LT with Flowers at RT, even next year. Glenn is a polished pass blocker.

I love Flowers at RT and see no reason why you can't draft a prototype RT in the top 10.

My only point on the current situation is it all depends on how the front office views the following:

Beattys health and ability to stay healthy in 2016
The best option at LT for 2016 (Eli's prime)
The ability of players on the roster to play RT
Beatty's worth

If they have no faith in his health he is gone. If he isn't a better LT currently than flowers he has to compete at RT. If he can't compete there against current players he is gone. If he won't renegotiate or is too pricey to play at any position he is gone.

I think if healthy and they are confident in his health he could play LT or RT next year. I also think in 2016 the best combination of those two players is flipped from what most fans think. In all likelihood Beatty is gone and this is pointless. I just personally disagree with many that Flowers is currently a better left tackle than Beatty. He will be one day I'm sure.

If Glenn is viewed as a plus left tackle, he's worth much more on the open market. Knowing how this regime tends to operate, they're unlikely to sign a LT with a top 10 LT already in the system.

I tend to agree he's the better LT NOW, but I don't expect that to be the case much longer. In a cap league, tough decisions must be made and this is one of them. Flowers' love of the game, attitude, ability to play through injury, and his skillset are all things this roster desperately needs. He's a leader out there, and the OL calculus was changed once WB was lost for the season, I suspect.

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Got it, thanks

resign Cordy Glenn and he will hit the market?

against the cap and seantrel henderson can play LT.

But the dominant sentiment here is not to overpay the player.

Prince is good but he's not worth X million dollars.
We'll keep JPP if he agrees go a reasonable contract.

Personally, looking at a team that has missed the playoffs for the last three years and is borderline this year, I'd rather ask

Who do we want as our second starting corner next year, Prince or Hosley?

Prince is the kind of guy your supposed to build a winning team around. First round draft choice, better to much better than average at a position that's hard to fill. Just starting his prime years.

His injury history is a risk. But he played in all 16 in 2013 and was second in solo tackles only to Rolle. They can probably cover themselves against injury to some degree in his contract.

When we lose a tough game to New England, I'm not thinking about how much cap space we have, I'm thinking about why we have this corner starting who couldn't even make the roster of most other teams.

Sometimes you get lucky and pick up a Brinkley for nothing, and sometimes you have to pay more than you would like to, within reason.

havnt worried about a snap in 9 years. give him a 5 year deal.

resign any of our better players. The consensus here is always they are over rated and not worth market value or some other reason (injuries etc) . Maybe this is how to go if you draft well for a few years and have replacemrents ready to step up. This has not been the case here since our SB years. Then into FA we go and over pay some one else's players. We have not been winning with that strategy, so hope it changes.

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resign any of our better players. The consensus here is always they are over rated and not worth market value or some other reason (injuries etc) . Maybe this is how to go if you draft well for a few years and have replacemrents ready to step up. This has not been the case here since our SB years. Then into FA we go and over pay some one else's players. We have not been winning with that strategy, so hope it changes.

Tuck, Diehl, Plax, Pierce, wanted to with Smith acyear before injury, Webster etc

In comment 12637455 UberAlias said:

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resign Cordy Glenn and he will hit the market?

We don't know that he will but I've heard Buffalo fans say they need to "clear space" for Dareus who will command big bucks.

players?

Beatty is a tough one because
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he will cost $9.2M in 2016. To cut him is a whopping $5M cap hit! Yes you save $4.2M against the cap but who could you get as a replacement tackle for $4.2M?


Not really.....you split his dead cap over two years, and that gives you 6.7M for a RT.....with the cap increase, could even go a little higher.......with Beatty being 31, I wouldn't risk cap dollars on his health.....now, if you want to talk a pay cut, that is a possibility, because no one out there is going to give him anything near 6.7M per year as a FA.....

I am surprised, that the Giants have not used Vereen like the Pats have.....they use him too much as a runner.....and they don't utilize him, slipping out of the backfield like the Pats did....he either stays in and blocks, runs, or goes out in a pattern......with the Pats he would slip out at the last second and get YAC....

Cruz gets endorsements from the NY area......we have paid him over 22M the past 3 seasons, for 5 td's......we can't chance another injury next year at that kind of price......you cut him if he doesn't take a huge pay cut....

There has got to be a better FA guard, than Schwartz out there....on quick passes he looks good....when Eli has to hold onto the ball, look out....

JPP....two games....2 tackles.....1.8M for two games....he kind of looks like Beason did his first year......he looks better than he is because everyone else looks so bad....

Prince will go for the money, elsewhere......

Do you remember that musical, "Bye, Bye, Beason"?

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JPP....two games....2 tackles.....1.8M for two games....he kind of looks like Beason did his first year......he looks better than he is because everyone else looks so bad....

FYI its closer to 1.2mm.

If we go G, u gotta look at Brandon Brooks (Texans). he's huge, he's good and he's just hitting his prime

there will be some good blockers available

homegrown talent to second contracts. A Cordy Glenn could be available due to the ascension of Henderson, as junc said, for example. It's the Can't Keep Everyone effect.

tell all of of us what his value is to the team. He has already injected the pass rush we haven't had all season long and its only going to get better as he gets back into game condition, paying him is a no brainer...

Prince will be back if his contract demands are realistic.

Cruz will be back if...he agrees to take a paycut.

JPP will be back if...he plays well the rest of the season.

Beason is a goner.

In comment 12638482 Torrag said:

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Prince will be back if his contract demands are realistic. Cruz will be back if...he agrees to take a paycut. JPP will be back if...he plays well the rest of the season. Beason is a goner.

Prince will be back but at a good price.
Beason is gone for sure.
Cruz will get a settlement.
Beatty sticks because you need good OL's and I don't know if you can get someone in free agency.

In comment 12638482 Torrag said:
[quote] Prince will be back if his contract demands are realistic.

And if Prince isn't back, who replaces him and how much do we have to spend in draft choices, cap space and cash to get this replacement.

It's easier just to match any offer Prince gets that isn't ridiculous. Good young corners are hard to find.