Glauber: Decisions on Curz, JPP, Amukamara, and Beason

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NYG's issue now is finding a talent at DE, and it would be wise to add a WR and CB to the pipeline.

In comment 12636630 BillT said:

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In comment 12636595 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 12636582 Matt M. said: Quote: Cruz is not that easy to do what is being suggested. They would have to cut him, leaving him open to the FA market, in order to give him a significant pay cut and/or incentive laden deal. Otherwise, it is a re-structuring of his current deal which I don't think can actually reduce the total value by more than a certain percentage. Salary can be reduced, but converted to a bonus, which would be amortized, likely over a longer period. Matt, wouldn't it be reduced a bunch if by restructuring with more years? Not that I believe we should necessarily do that if he's good to go, just using a hypothetical. You can do anything you like with a contract as long as both parties agree. Reduce salary outright, turn salary into bonus, extend, whatever. I think Cruz will agree to a reduction for next year based on the last two years of being paid and not playing.

I don't believe this is exactly true. Restructured contracts don't remove money from the table. They convert future salary into bonus that gets amortized over time, usually an extension to the original deal. So, it spreads lowers salary and spreads out your costs, but leaves you with a longer contract and cap implications for a longer period of time. You can't reduce the toal value by more than a certain percentage.

In comment 12636771 Trainmaster said:

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Beason - cut/retire Prince - transition tag (I like that suggestion) Cruz - agrees to a restructure with incentives JPP - franchise tagged again Beatty - cut or restructure (RT pay)

I think you can't use both the transition and franchise tag in the same season.

For JPP?

I have no idea right now.

Too soon, but Glauber's round figure of $10M would seem like a healthy target for both sides to shoot for.

In comment 12636915 KWALL2 said:

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For JPP? I have no idea right now.

People are throwing 10 million around, but that seems low to me.

Perhaps Jon can shed a light on this, but the speculation I heard was that the Giants valued him around 12 last year, and talks stalled due to the length of the contract.

Anybody have some insight?

if they kept him for 10 million per year. Sounds good to me. :)

Various media reports ranged $10-13M.

Heard JPP's camp was targeting $15M and 7 years, which was LESS than they were talking about during training camp 2012 after the SB win. (7/125)

and he'll have to perform at a very significant level to see a contract similar to other top 4-3 DEs. NYG was willing to pay him nearly $9M for half a season now, although I wouldn't assume they'd pay him anywhere near $18M for a full campaign. Wouldn't suck if he made the decision hard for the team.

In comment 12636482 USAF NYG Fan said:

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takes a cut to stay in NY. I'm not sure he gets as many endorsements elsewhere.

With Jay Z as his agent? He'll get the endorsements whether it be in NY or LA. His injury will heal up just in time for fashion week, where he'll be strutting next to the Kardashians and Kanye because of Jay Z. He won't accept anything less to play for the Giants so him and his side chicks will be in for a shock when he gets cut in March.

Yes when people talk about a restructure contract they usually are talking about exchanging salary for bonus in order to free up cap space.

But that's not the only type of restructure. restructure just means a change in the details, it could be anything including a pay cut.

The only limitation I'm aware of is that you can only touch a deal once a year

may both be gone....

In comment 12636900 Matt M. said:

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In comment 12636630 BillT said: Quote: In comment 12636595 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 12636582 Matt M. said: Quote: Cruz is not that easy to do what is being suggested. They would have to cut him, leaving him open to the FA market, in order to give him a significant pay cut and/or incentive laden deal. Otherwise, it is a re-structuring of his current deal which I don't think can actually reduce the total value by more than a certain percentage. Salary can be reduced, but converted to a bonus, which would be amortized, likely over a longer period. Matt, wouldn't it be reduced a bunch if by restructuring with more years? Not that I believe we should necessarily do that if he's good to go, just using a hypothetical. You can do anything you like with a contract as long as both parties agree. Reduce salary outright, turn salary into bonus, extend, whatever. I think Cruz will agree to a reduction for next year based on the last two years of being paid and not playing. I don't believe this is exactly true. Restructured contracts don't remove money from the table. They convert future salary into bonus that gets amortized over time, usually an extension to the original deal. So, it spreads lowers salary and spreads out your costs, but leaves you with a longer contract and cap implications for a longer period of time. You can't reduce the total value by more than a certain percentage.

You can just add extra years on the end that both parties know will never happen. There is no way of reducing the guaranteed money from the previous contract. Any bonuses paid still count against the cap no matter how you redo the contract.

$ cut.

JPP: We'll see.

Prince: I love Prince, but he's always injured. It'll be interesting to see what he commands on the open market.

Beason: Time to move on unfortunately.

In comment 12636950 JonC said:

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and he'll have to perform at a very significant level to see a contract similar to other top 4-3 DEs. NYG was willing to pay him nearly $9M for half a season now, although I wouldn't assume they'd pay him anywhere near $18M for a full campaign. Wouldn't suck if he made the decision hard for the team.

Here's another idea..What about a 1 year deal for around 10 per? It keeps him in blue for a year, and he gets a chance to prove he is worth a bigger long term deal.

For him it seems he'd rather wait a year and earn 14 as opposed to locking himself in at 10.

Welcome to the N(ot) F(or) L(ong).

Potential cap casualties (in addition to Cruz and Beason):
Will Beatty
Geoff Schwartz
Rashad Jennings
Jonathan Casillas
J.T. Thomas needs to finish strong, or he's on this list too. Shane Vereen is expensive to keep in 2016, but might be worth it. John Jerry and Mark Herzlich probably survive the March roster-bonus purge.

Notable free agents (in addition to Amukamara and Pierre-Paul):
Robert Ayers
Rueben Randle
Larry Donnell (RFA - likely tender)
Josh Brown
Trumaine McBride
Jayron Hosley
Zak DeOssie
Markus Kuhn
Plus one-year yet pickups who have contributed, like Brandon Meriweather and Jasper Brinkley.

Not exactly an all-star team, but what's left as the core of the team? Manning, Beckham, Pugh, Richburg, Flowers, Hankins, Rodgers-Cromartie, Collins, Kennard, plus maybe Harris? Beyond that, you're hoping guys like Bromley, Wynn, Moore and Odighizuwa raise their game above JaG level. Which - based on their track record and Coach Nunn's, doesn't seem all that likely. For a team that's three years into rebuilding, the 2016 roster has a lot of question marks.

Are we looking for a kicker as well?

re Vereen. You cannot be serious..You keep your reasonably young players..He's core, imv

but Beason and Cruz should be gone. They should replace Beatty with a right tackle and Prince with a good corner who can stay on the field. Hopefully, they'll be able to work something out with JPP - but not another franchise.

In comment 12637265 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 12636950 JonC said: Quote: and he'll have to perform at a very significant level to see a contract similar to other top 4-3 DEs. NYG was willing to pay him nearly $9M for half a season now, although I wouldn't assume they'd pay him anywhere near $18M for a full campaign. Wouldn't suck if he made the decision hard for the team. Here's another idea..What about a 1 year deal for around 10 per? It keeps him in blue for a year, and he gets a chance to prove he is worth a bigger long term deal. For him it seems he'd rather wait a year and earn 14 as opposed to locking himself in at 10.

1 for 10 doesn't sound realistic even with only seeing 2 games.

No way JPP signs for that

He is getting better with age. A 41 year old kicker I'm fine with

Big Blue '56 said:

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re Vereen. You cannot be serious..You keep your reasonably young players..He's core, imv

His guaranteed cash has all been paid, and his dead money is down to $2.3MM. Each of the next two years, he's due $3.75MM. That's a lot for a third-down specialist, even a really good one.

So there is a decision to be made when his $500K roster bonus comes due - probably not a hard decision if he finishes this season well, but a decision nonetheless. He's no Tiki Barber. He's not even really prime Derrick Ward, because he can't carry a full workload.

He has been a big catalyst for this O and Eli's safety net in McAdoo's O..He can also tote the rock from time to time..Reminds me of a Larry Centers, who, regardless of role designation was integral, imo..And only 27 next year..Sorry bud, but to me this is one player you pay to keep, regardless of what positive accounting Abrams may come up with

and he hasn't disappointed thus far..I cannot see the Giants even contemplating letting him go, imo

"So there is a decision to be made when his $500K roster bonus comes due - probably not a hard decision if he finishes this season well, but a decision nonetheless. He's no Tiki Barber. He's not even really prime Derrick Ward, because he can't carry a full workload. "

Who says Vereen can't carry a full workload? I think he'd be spectacular as the feature back, he's fast, has great hands, good instincts. The misconception is that he's too small, hogwash. Joe Morris called to disagree. Give the man a shot, he's our best RB and was paid to do more than he allowed to do right now.

he will cost $9.2M in 2016. To cut him is a whopping $5M cap hit! Yes you save $4.2M against the cap but who could you get as a replacement tackle for $4.2M?

If healthy, they can hope to get him to sign an incentive laden deal but I wouldn't count on it. You cannot get a quality tackle for anything near $4.2M per, IMO.

Crux of the biscuit , feature Vereen, spell him with Jennings, hold Darkwa in reserve and take Williams out of the rotation.

whopping $5M in dead money!

With the added cap savings from JPP.

For JPP give him the tag again.
Prince resign at market rate

Beason should move into another role in football. I hope he retires or he will be released.

Following past trends with recent players it is highly likely Cruz and Beatty will have to restructure with a massive pay cut replaced by incentives or they will be released.

Cruz and Beason can't be counted on.

can he play RT effectively. If not, then he's likely a goner, and I believe the cap savings is actually north of $6M.

In comment 12637340 JonC said:

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can he play RT effectively. If not, then he's likely a goner, and I believe the cap savings is actually north of $6M.

yep, save 6.6M on Beatty if he's a post 6/1 cut

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can he play RT effectively. If not, then he's likely a goner, and I believe the cap savings is actually north of $6M.

Would you restructure or part ways? If yes to restructure, what might be a win-win offer and signing iyo?

I'd let him go, sign Cordy Glenn.

to determine if Beatty can play RT well enough by June 1st, no? Wouldn't they really have to go through 1 camp to make that determination?

and isn't, if he can't play RT there's nowhere else to play and justify the $.

It's RT or bust for WB, and I expect NYG to use his cap slot to go after Cordy or similar.

At this point I think Beatty is better at LT than flowers at LT. And Flowers skill set likely translates well to RT, more so than Beatty. Flowers has shown plenty of potential but he has also really struggled with quick and fast players. He is also a nasty SOB, Beatty is a giant teddy bear.

Right now IMO the Giants have an average at best rookie LT and an above average constantly injured LT.

is franchise left tackle. After a full season at the position demonstrating plenty of promise, it's unlikely they move him.

Good point on Glenn..If he's not re-signed, I think the Giants pounce on it

In comment 12637340 JonC said:

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can he play RT effectively. If not, then he's likely a goner, and I believe the cap savings is actually north of $6M.

..and they likely can have Glenn at a number close to that.

The question is whether the market will treat him as a "plus" left tackle. If the answer is yes, the Giants and their pending vacancy at RT may find it difficult to compete.

Agreed, that's the question on Glenn.

Can play anywhere. Reese even said as much saying he could play RT or guard. Beatty if kept is an athletic finesse type player.

So if they intend on keeping flowers at LT I agree they have to cut Beatty or move him and get someone like Glenn.

If Beatty is kept he will be average IMO at RT and be overpaid.
To me Beatty is a good player, his injuries are the only issue. If Beatty were healthy at the start of the season and stayed healthy my bet is right now we are all talking about how Flowers has RT locked down for a decade.

LT is the vital, most difficult position to fill when you have a right-handed QB. When you have a belief you have that player, you plug him in and leave him. Don't overthink it, don't get cute moving parts around.

Talk of EF locking down RT for a decade is short-sighted fanspeak, if you recognize why they drafted him.

They didn't spend a top 10 pick to move him to RT.

I don't know who the RT will be, but it won't be Flowers.

as Jon says is reasonably accurate that the Giants narrowed it down to wilson and Glenn, it figures that they would remain interested since little, if anything, would cause them to lose interest, barring prohibative dollars

Serious question. Do you believe flowers would have beaten out Beatty this offseason if both were healthy?
And that if flowers didn't and dominated at RT they would have moved him to LT next offseason and moved Beatty?

I believe Flowers is the LT of the future, I think in the above scenario they don't put him there until Beatty gets hurt or leaves in FA.

But that's now in the past and essentially it's a strawman argument moving forward.

Beatty has added another two injuroes that prevented him from playing in 2015. Now those injuries, his cap hit, his age, and his soft label all come into the decision process for 2016, which is now where the convo should focus.

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is an interesting name. Despite his size he is a better pass blocker than run blocker. In any rational/no politics evaluation Glenn would be the LT with Flowers at RT, even next year. Glenn is a polished pass blocker.

I love Flowers at RT and see no reason why you can't draft a prototype RT in the top 10.