If notre dame beats Stanford they are in. Simple as that.
They lost one game all year on a two point conversion on the road in a monsoon at Clemson. Style points don't matter here especially with Ohio state losing.
But obviously if they play the way they have last two weeks at Stanford they'll lose and if bad enough probably don't even get a fiesta/orange type bid. playoffs start now for the Irish
If notre dame beats Stanford they are in. Simple as that.
They lost one game all year on a two point conversion on the road in a monsoon at Clemson. Style points don't matter here especially with Ohio state losing.
But obviously if they play the way they have last two weeks at Stanford they'll lose and if bad enough probably don't even get a fiesta/orange type bid. playoffs start now for the Irish
If everyone wins out. At a min having a conference backing you from a politic standpoint helps them but also they will have earned it. Think about Ohio state last year and all the teams they jumped in final poll.
but may have still knocked Notre Dame out of the championship playoffs. That did not look like a team that is in the same league as a Clemson or an Alabama. The only thing that may save ND is their historic mystique and the ability to put fans in the seats. Not sure the latter is important in a national championship play off game. The stadium will be sold out and TV ratings great no matter who is playing
but may have still knocked Notre Dame out of the championship playoffs. That did not look like a team that is in the same league as a Clemson or an Alabama. The only thing that may save ND is their historic mystique and the ability to put fans in the seats. Not sure the latter is important in a national championship play off game. The stadium will be sold out and TV ratings great no matter who is playing
I agree, if Notre Dame wasn't "Notre Dame" there would be no question they don't belong
But right now their one loss is the best loss you can possibly have so long as Clemson keeps winning. If they lose to Stanford it's over. I think they aren't that great of a team but rankings should be based on results, and theirs speak for themselves right now.
But I don't get the Alabama love. Their one loss is not to a quality team. Good teams don't lose to Memphis and Arkansas. The SEC is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The whole "they are all so good and beat up on each other" is BS. For all we know LSU or Ole Miss would be 3rd in any other conference, which would plummet their rankings. I think the SEC is a very very strong conference but that strength IMO is that they don't have a lot of any truly bad teams, and they can be competitive with anyone. That doesn't mean teams should be gifted top 25 rankings.
Alabama's top 4 ranking is based on the overrating of teams like LSU and Ole Miss. Both teams that have proven they are not top teams.
I'm pumped Ohio is about done now. For me I just like to see a shakeup at the top and more teams the opportunity. Teams like Alabama and ND seem to have an inherent ranking edge based on past performance.
Not in the same league as Clemson? They lost on the last play of the game, in the rain, AT Clemson!
ND is green with Irish you're green with envy.
If the fact that ND crushed Texas,who is the team that Alabama lost to, doesn't qualify ND to be in the same league how about the fact that ND's student athletes actually know the location of the buildings that their classes are in?
It's a straight line to Hell to root against Touchdown Jesus.
With a 2 point loss in a monsoon on a failed 2 point conversion.
Listening to some here you'd think they were a joke.
They're a damn good football team.
They need to take care of business vs. the Cardinal on Saturday.
I dont think anyone is calling them a joke. What we are saying is that a team is going to get screwed if all 3 teams win out.
Its pretty hard to think that a team that wins either the Big 12 or Big 10 championship with 1 loss will be on the outside looking in, because thats the scenario we are ultimately looking at.
That would be absolute chaos. The only guarantee IMO would be Alabama would be number 1. I would assume Notre Dame would be at 2 or 3. Beyond that no idea.
As ridiculous as it sounds if that happened ND would IMO might have the best resume.
That would be absolute chaos. The only guarantee IMO would be Alabama would be number 1. I would assume Notre Dame would be at 2 or 3. Beyond that no idea.
As ridiculous as it sounds if that happened ND would IMO might have the best resume.
I think MSU has the best resume. their only loss was a game they got absolutley hosed on. but what's awesome about chaos is thst if Clemson loses... how do yoh drop them below a team that they beat.
I love chaos. a clemson loss should make this entertaining for non team fans involved. makes the fans of the 6-7 teams sweat.
Michigan St is absolutely in if they win out. Iowa is in if they win the Big 10 title, even if they stumble against Nebraska. A one loss Big 10 team that has a conference title game win is not going to be left out.
Big 12 champ with one loss is questionable because they don't have the title game. I think ND gets the preference at this point, although style points in next week's games may matter.
Having a Stanford rooting interest myself, I am course looking for ND to be derailed next week. And for various other things to happen that could get a two loss Pac 12 champ into the party.
Stanford's defense is very shaky, not up to the level they have had in the past. ND will have a fair chance to look good.
with this team. Kelly better school these ball carriers in "high and tight". Without the turnovers ND would be #1 right now. BC should have been blown out early last night and we would have beaten Clemson as well. Very frustrating watching these correctable mistakes ruin a great season.
with this team. Kelly better school these ball carriers in "high and tight". Without the turnovers ND would be #1 right now. BC should have been blown out early last night and we would have beaten Clemson as well. Very frustrating watching these correctable mistakes ruin a great season.
good lord, what do you want a participation trophy? Most scores are final from what I can remember.
If Notre Dame's opponents never missed tackles, coverages, catches,
Or blocks Notre Dame probably never wins a game in their entire history! Think! If only other teams would stop screwing up Notre Dame would be the only school in history to never win a game!
Turnovers are part of football, some are mistakes due to poor play and coaching others are forced by better opponents. Everything is "easily" correctable from the couch.
Style points apparently matter. Hard to get too upset when the best two teams are clearly Clemson and Alabama - everyone else lucky to be there but apparently losing to Texas instead of the best team in the country in their place isn't a big deal.
someone is getting screwed. Cases can be made for all 3 IMO. Yes, Oklahoma's loss to Texas isnt good. But is Texas a different team now than they were on the road for the opener? I mean we know how big of a rivalry it is.
MSU has to be in there with the quality of wins they have. They have beaten 3 top 15 teams.
OU beating TCU by 1 point at home with the Frog Horns missing both Boykin & Doctson. That's a quality win? Huh? And again, ND beat TX by 35 points. OU lost to them.
Who has Iowa beaten? The one common opponent they with ND is Pittsburgh. Iowa beat them at home on a last second FG. ND beat Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh by 12.
Give me a break. This is also the same selection committee that dropped TCU from 3rd to 7th last year after they won their finale 55-3.
Regardless, ND needs to win Saturday & hopefully convincingly.
OU beating TCU by 1 point at home with the Frog Horns missing both Boykin & Doctson. That's a quality win? Huh? And again, ND beat TX by 35 points. OU lost to them.
Who has Iowa beaten? The one common opponent they with ND is Pittsburgh. Iowa beat them at home on a last second FG. ND beat Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh by 12.
Give me a break. This is also the same selection committee that dropped TCU from 3rd to 7th last year after they won their finale 55-3.
Regardless, ND needs to win Saturday & hopefully convincingly.
while being deserving over iowa, you aren't concerned about them. whoever wins the big 10 is in, so if you beat Stanford... you will eventually jump a big 10 team.
one thing about oklahoma vs. tcu. they were killing them at half when their qb got hurt. without mayfield, OU struggled.
just be ignored as they're choosing to do with Oklahoma right now? I didn't think it was fair when they did it last year with Ohio State and it's not fair now.
There's no way on earth Iowa or Oklahoma should be ahead of ND.
RE: What's the point of playing the games when wins and losses can
just be ignored as they're choosing to do with Oklahoma right now? I didn't think it was fair when they did it last year with Ohio State and it's not fair now.
There's no way on earth Iowa or Oklahoma should be ahead of ND.
So are you ignoring all their wins or concentrating on their 1 loss? It could be argued that their bad loss is preventing them from being as high as 2. They have 1 common opponent between them and Alabama, and Oklahoma was more impressive against Tennessee than Bama was.
Both teams have a legitimate gripe at the last spot. Like I said forgot Iowa. Iowa or MSU will knock each other off, so essentially you are sitting 5th.
Both ND and OU have run six consecutive wins since their single loss
Over those six games ND's opponents have a cumulative record of 39-26. OU's opponents have a cumulative record of 31-33. ND has beaten three teams with 8+ wins while OU has beaten two teams with 8+ wins. ND's one loss was to the #1 team in the country on the road, in a monsoon, by two points and OU got blown out by Texas. This honestly isn't even close.
I'm not surprised or even angry. Anyone paying attention knew that the committee would be a corrupt tool of the conferences once it was formed. The fact that disgraced former ND coach Tyrone Willingham is on the committee was enough for any reasonable person to predict that last night would happen.
I think a terrible loss deserves additional focus... losing to Texas
is a terrible loss. (Losing at home to VT last year was a terrible loss.)
WGAS what Oklahoma did against Tennessee? Tennessee isn't even any good... they're currently in 3rd place in the worst SEC division anyone has seen since they went to this league structure. And yet it took Oklahoma TWO overtimes to beat TENN. Alabama's loss and even close win get trounced by the fact they've DESTROYED high ranked opponents several times this season. Oklahoma's best wins involve beating teams without their starting QB. Heck, they barely beat TCU who was using their 3rd string QB.
RE: I think a terrible loss deserves additional focus... losing to Texas
is a terrible loss. (Losing at home to VT last year was a terrible loss.)
WGAS what Oklahoma did against Tennessee? Tennessee isn't even any good... they're currently in 3rd place in the worst SEC division anyone has seen since they went to this league structure. And yet it took Oklahoma TWO overtimes to beat TENN. Alabama's loss and even close win get trounced by the fact they've DESTROYED high ranked opponents several times this season. Oklahoma's best wins involve beating teams without their starting QB. Heck, they barely beat TCU who was using their 3rd string QB.
Tennessee 4 losses have been by a combined 17 points against alabama, oklajoma, Florida and arkansas. 3 of those 4 teams are top 10 teams. they are better than people think.
RE: Both ND and OU have run six consecutive wins since their single loss
Over those six games ND's opponents have a cumulative record of 39-26. OU's opponents have a cumulative record of 31-33. ND has beaten three teams with 8+ wins while OU has beaten two teams with 8+ wins. ND's one loss was to the #1 team in the country on the road, in a monsoon, by two points and OU got blown out by Texas. This honestly isn't even close.
I'm not surprised or even angry. Anyone paying attention knew that the committee would be a corrupt tool of the conferences once it was formed. The fact that disgraced former ND coach Tyrone Willingham is on the committee was enough for any reasonable person to predict that last night would happen.
OK State lost to Baylor, and with Iowa above them MSU won't jump into the top 4.
They lost one game all year on a two point conversion on the road in a monsoon at Clemson. Style points don't matter here especially with Ohio state losing.
But obviously if they play the way they have last two weeks at Stanford they'll lose and if bad enough probably don't even get a fiesta/orange type bid. playoffs start now for the Irish
They lost one game all year on a two point conversion on the road in a monsoon at Clemson. Style points don't matter here especially with Ohio state losing.
But obviously if they play the way they have last two weeks at Stanford they'll lose and if bad enough probably don't even get a fiesta/orange type bid. playoffs start now for the Irish
look at wins from other two teams though:
Michigan State - oregon, michigan, Ohio st, iowa.
Oklahoma - baylor, tcu, oklahoma st, Tennessee
both will have a valid case. that's all I am saying. but ND still has a good case. one thing can screw them.... UNC besting clemson.
I agree, if Notre Dame wasn't "Notre Dame" there would be no question they don't belong
But I don't get the Alabama love. Their one loss is not to a quality team. Good teams don't lose to Memphis and Arkansas. The SEC is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The whole "they are all so good and beat up on each other" is BS. For all we know LSU or Ole Miss would be 3rd in any other conference, which would plummet their rankings. I think the SEC is a very very strong conference but that strength IMO is that they don't have a lot of any truly bad teams, and they can be competitive with anyone. That doesn't mean teams should be gifted top 25 rankings.
Alabama's top 4 ranking is based on the overrating of teams like LSU and Ole Miss. Both teams that have proven they are not top teams.
I'm pumped Ohio is about done now. For me I just like to see a shakeup at the top and more teams the opportunity. Teams like Alabama and ND seem to have an inherent ranking edge based on past performance.
Not in the same league as Clemson? They lost on the last play of the game, in the rain, AT Clemson!
ND is green with Irish you're green with envy.
If the fact that ND crushed Texas,who is the team that Alabama lost to, doesn't qualify ND to be in the same league how about the fact that ND's student athletes actually know the location of the buildings that their classes are in?
It's a straight line to Hell to root against Touchdown Jesus.
Listening to some here you'd think they were a joke.
They're a damn good football team.
They need to take care of business vs. the Cardinal on Saturday.
Listening to some here you'd think they were a joke.
They're a damn good football team.
They need to take care of business vs. the Cardinal on Saturday.
I dont think anyone is calling them a joke. What we are saying is that a team is going to get screwed if all 3 teams win out.
Its pretty hard to think that a team that wins either the Big 12 or Big 10 championship with 1 loss will be on the outside looking in, because thats the scenario we are ultimately looking at.
Michigan state wins out.
Oklahoma wins out
Notre Dame wins out
ALabama wins out
UNC beats Clemson.
You figure it out now....
As ridiculous as it sounds if that happened ND would IMO might have the best resume.
As ridiculous as it sounds if that happened ND would IMO might have the best resume.
I think MSU has the best resume. their only loss was a game they got absolutley hosed on. but what's awesome about chaos is thst if Clemson loses... how do yoh drop them below a team that they beat.
I love chaos. a clemson loss should make this entertaining for non team fans involved. makes the fans of the 6-7 teams sweat.
Big 12 champ with one loss is questionable because they don't have the title game. I think ND gets the preference at this point, although style points in next week's games may matter.
Having a Stanford rooting interest myself, I am course looking for ND to be derailed next week. And for various other things to happen that could get a two loss Pac 12 champ into the party.
Stanford's defense is very shaky, not up to the level they have had in the past. ND will have a fair chance to look good.
One thing that should be pointed out is that no one on the selection committee has ties to the Big 12. I know that shouldn't matter, but it will.
good lord, what do you want a participation trophy? Most scores are final from what I can remember.
Turnovers are part of football, some are mistakes due to poor play and coaching others are forced by better opponents. Everything is "easily" correctable from the couch.
MSU has to be in there with the quality of wins they have. They have beaten 3 top 15 teams.
Still can a lot change though. So ND isnt out.
OU beating TCU by 1 point at home with the Frog Horns missing both Boykin & Doctson. That's a quality win? Huh? And again, ND beat TX by 35 points. OU lost to them.
Who has Iowa beaten? The one common opponent they with ND is Pittsburgh. Iowa beat them at home on a last second FG. ND beat Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh by 12.
Give me a break. This is also the same selection committee that dropped TCU from 3rd to 7th last year after they won their finale 55-3.
Regardless, ND needs to win Saturday & hopefully convincingly.
OU beating TCU by 1 point at home with the Frog Horns missing both Boykin & Doctson. That's a quality win? Huh? And again, ND beat TX by 35 points. OU lost to them.
Who has Iowa beaten? The one common opponent they with ND is Pittsburgh. Iowa beat them at home on a last second FG. ND beat Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh by 12.
Give me a break. This is also the same selection committee that dropped TCU from 3rd to 7th last year after they won their finale 55-3.
Regardless, ND needs to win Saturday & hopefully convincingly.
while being deserving over iowa, you aren't concerned about them. whoever wins the big 10 is in, so if you beat Stanford... you will eventually jump a big 10 team.
one thing about oklahoma vs. tcu. they were killing them at half when their qb got hurt. without mayfield, OU struggled.
that would obviously make things a lot clearer too. but then again, I want UNC to beat clemson too haha.
There's no way on earth Iowa or Oklahoma should be ahead of ND.
There's no way on earth Iowa or Oklahoma should be ahead of ND.
So are you ignoring all their wins or concentrating on their 1 loss? It could be argued that their bad loss is preventing them from being as high as 2. They have 1 common opponent between them and Alabama, and Oklahoma was more impressive against Tennessee than Bama was.
Both teams have a legitimate gripe at the last spot. Like I said forgot Iowa. Iowa or MSU will knock each other off, so essentially you are sitting 5th.
I'm not surprised or even angry. Anyone paying attention knew that the committee would be a corrupt tool of the conferences once it was formed. The fact that disgraced former ND coach Tyrone Willingham is on the committee was enough for any reasonable person to predict that last night would happen.
WGAS what Oklahoma did against Tennessee? Tennessee isn't even any good... they're currently in 3rd place in the worst SEC division anyone has seen since they went to this league structure. And yet it took Oklahoma TWO overtimes to beat TENN. Alabama's loss and even close win get trounced by the fact they've DESTROYED high ranked opponents several times this season. Oklahoma's best wins involve beating teams without their starting QB. Heck, they barely beat TCU who was using their 3rd string QB.
WGAS what Oklahoma did against Tennessee? Tennessee isn't even any good... they're currently in 3rd place in the worst SEC division anyone has seen since they went to this league structure. And yet it took Oklahoma TWO overtimes to beat TENN. Alabama's loss and even close win get trounced by the fact they've DESTROYED high ranked opponents several times this season. Oklahoma's best wins involve beating teams without their starting QB. Heck, they barely beat TCU who was using their 3rd string QB.
Tennessee 4 losses have been by a combined 17 points against alabama, oklajoma, Florida and arkansas. 3 of those 4 teams are top 10 teams. they are better than people think.
I'm not surprised or even angry. Anyone paying attention knew that the committee would be a corrupt tool of the conferences once it was formed. The fact that disgraced former ND coach Tyrone Willingham is on the committee was enough for any reasonable person to predict that last night would happen.
7 points isn't a blowout.
They never had the ball with a chance to take the lead with a score outside of the first 5 minutes of the game.
Seven points isn't really indicative of how the game went.