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SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/21/2015 7:22 pm
Go Irish! Move to 10-1, with Stanford on tap next weekend.

Irish fans-right now, do we beat Stanford?
Kizer making LOL  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/21/2015 7:50 pm : link
Throws.
secondary  
giants62 : 11/21/2015 8:26 pm : link
I'd be really concerned about Stanford throwing the ball on the nd secondary.
BC's defense is legit.  
figgy2989 : 11/21/2015 9:37 pm : link
Too bad they are terrible on the other side of the ball or they would be a pretty damn good team.
Better hope that the playoff committee  
illmatic : 11/21/2015 10:30 pm : link
sees it that way. Otherwise OK State and Michigan State are looking like real good alternatives right now.
I thought the game was over ...  
short lease : 11/21/2015 10:32 pm : link
then BC runs 80 yards untouched for the TD. They are right back in this.
I wonder if Iowa leapfrogs ND to #3 in the BCS rankings  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/21/2015 10:33 pm : link
after this performance tonight.
RE: Better hope that the playoff committee  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/21/2015 10:36 pm : link
In comment 12638002 illmatic said:
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sees it that way. Otherwise OK State and Michigan State are looking like real good alternatives right now.


OK State lost to Baylor, and with Iowa above them MSU won't jump into the top 4.
OSU  
dep026 : 11/21/2015 10:36 pm : link
looks dead nad buried. ND has to outlast Oklahoma or Iowa/MSU.
Nah  
MetsAreBack : 11/21/2015 11:09 pm : link
If notre dame beats Stanford they are in. Simple as that.

They lost one game all year on a two point conversion on the road in a monsoon at Clemson. Style points don't matter here especially with Ohio state losing.

But obviously if they play the way they have last two weeks at Stanford they'll lose and if bad enough probably don't even get a fiesta/orange type bid. playoffs start now for the Irish

This game was abysmal on the ND side  
superspynyg : 11/22/2015 12:13 am : link
BC def played a fantastic game. 5 turn overs is god awful. If we play half as bad against Stanford they will crush us.
As a bc fan - it should be pointed out nc states  
bhill410 : 11/22/2015 9:12 am : link
Offense took us to the woodshed 2 weeks ago as did clemsons. That was as poor as an offense has played against bc since fsu since week 4.
Kizer was dreadful.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/22/2015 9:15 am : link
I think ND will bring their A game next Saturday in Palo Alto.
RE: Nah  
dep026 : 11/22/2015 9:26 am : link
In comment 12638066 MetsAreBack said:
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If notre dame beats Stanford they are in. Simple as that.

They lost one game all year on a two point conversion on the road in a monsoon at Clemson. Style points don't matter here especially with Ohio state losing.

But obviously if they play the way they have last two weeks at Stanford they'll lose and if bad enough probably don't even get a fiesta/orange type bid. playoffs start now for the Irish


look at wins from other two teams though:

Michigan State - oregon, michigan, Ohio st, iowa.
Oklahoma - baylor, tcu, oklahoma st, Tennessee

both will have a valid case. that's all I am saying. but ND still has a good case. one thing can screw them.... UNC besting clemson.
I think both msu and Oklahoma jump nd  
bhill410 : 11/22/2015 9:36 am : link
If everyone wins out. At a min having a conference backing you from a politic standpoint helps them but also they will have earned it. Think about Ohio state last year and all the teams they jumped in final poll.
BC lost the game  
fbdad : 11/22/2015 9:39 am : link
but may have still knocked Notre Dame out of the championship playoffs. That did not look like a team that is in the same league as a Clemson or an Alabama. The only thing that may save ND is their historic mystique and the ability to put fans in the seats. Not sure the latter is important in a national championship play off game. The stadium will be sold out and TV ratings great no matter who is playing
ND just needs to beat Stanford.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/22/2015 9:40 am : link
They beat Stanford & they'll look much more impressive, considering their 1 loss to this point was by 2 points to the #1 team in the nation.
RE: BC lost the game  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/22/2015 9:48 am : link
In comment 12638195 fbdad said:
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but may have still knocked Notre Dame out of the championship playoffs. That did not look like a team that is in the same league as a Clemson or an Alabama. The only thing that may save ND is their historic mystique and the ability to put fans in the seats. Not sure the latter is important in a national championship play off game. The stadium will be sold out and TV ratings great no matter who is playing


I agree, if Notre Dame wasn't "Notre Dame" there would be no question they don't belong
I get that ND may be overrated at this point.  
Patrick77 : 11/22/2015 10:09 am : link
But right now their one loss is the best loss you can possibly have so long as Clemson keeps winning. If they lose to Stanford it's over. I think they aren't that great of a team but rankings should be based on results, and theirs speak for themselves right now.

But I don't get the Alabama love. Their one loss is not to a quality team. Good teams don't lose to Memphis and Arkansas. The SEC is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The whole "they are all so good and beat up on each other" is BS. For all we know LSU or Ole Miss would be 3rd in any other conference, which would plummet their rankings. I think the SEC is a very very strong conference but that strength IMO is that they don't have a lot of any truly bad teams, and they can be competitive with anyone. That doesn't mean teams should be gifted top 25 rankings.

Alabama's top 4 ranking is based on the overrating of teams like LSU and Ole Miss. Both teams that have proven they are not top teams.

I'm pumped Ohio is about done now. For me I just like to see a shakeup at the top and more teams the opportunity. Teams like Alabama and ND seem to have an inherent ranking edge based on past performance.
Horseshit  
Cruzin : 11/22/2015 10:10 am : link

Not in the same league as Clemson? They lost on the last play of the game, in the rain, AT Clemson!

ND is green with Irish you're green with envy.

If the fact that ND crushed Texas,who is the team that Alabama lost to, doesn't qualify ND to be in the same league how about the fact that ND's student athletes actually know the location of the buildings that their classes are in?

It's a straight line to Hell to root against Touchdown Jesus.
Clemson, Bama, Irish, Iowa...  
sober297 : 11/22/2015 10:12 am : link
and Fenway Park football field looked very cool.
ND is 10-1  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/22/2015 11:00 am : link
With a 2 point loss in a monsoon on a failed 2 point conversion.

Listening to some here you'd think they were a joke.

They're a damn good football team.

They need to take care of business vs. the Cardinal on Saturday.
RE: ND is 10-1  
dep026 : 11/22/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12638277 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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With a 2 point loss in a monsoon on a failed 2 point conversion.

Listening to some here you'd think they were a joke.

They're a damn good football team.

They need to take care of business vs. the Cardinal on Saturday.


I dont think anyone is calling them a joke. What we are saying is that a team is going to get screwed if all 3 teams win out.

Its pretty hard to think that a team that wins either the Big 12 or Big 10 championship with 1 loss will be on the outside looking in, because thats the scenario we are ultimately looking at.
But as guy who loves chaos....  
dep026 : 11/22/2015 11:18 am : link
the ultimate scenairo for me is to have the games play out...

Michigan state wins out.
Oklahoma wins out
Notre Dame wins out
ALabama wins out
UNC beats Clemson.

You figure it out now....
Dep  
Patrick77 : 11/22/2015 11:34 am : link
That would be absolute chaos. The only guarantee IMO would be Alabama would be number 1. I would assume Notre Dame would be at 2 or 3. Beyond that no idea.

As ridiculous as it sounds if that happened ND would IMO might have the best resume.
RE: Dep  
dep026 : 11/22/2015 12:03 pm : link
In comment 12638341 Patrick77 said:
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That would be absolute chaos. The only guarantee IMO would be Alabama would be number 1. I would assume Notre Dame would be at 2 or 3. Beyond that no idea.

As ridiculous as it sounds if that happened ND would IMO might have the best resume.


I think MSU has the best resume. their only loss was a game they got absolutley hosed on. but what's awesome about chaos is thst if Clemson loses... how do yoh drop them below a team that they beat.

I love chaos. a clemson loss should make this entertaining for non team fans involved. makes the fans of the 6-7 teams sweat.
I can't quite figure out  
MookGiants : 11/22/2015 12:08 pm : link
why anyone would put Oklahoma in over ND. What have they done that would be enough to forget about ND beating the team they lost to by 35.
In and Out  
shyster : 11/22/2015 12:16 pm : link
Michigan St is absolutely in if they win out. Iowa is in if they win the Big 10 title, even if they stumble against Nebraska. A one loss Big 10 team that has a conference title game win is not going to be left out.

Big 12 champ with one loss is questionable because they don't have the title game. I think ND gets the preference at this point, although style points in next week's games may matter.

Having a Stanford rooting interest myself, I am course looking for ND to be derailed next week. And for various other things to happen that could get a two loss Pac 12 champ into the party.

Stanford's defense is very shaky, not up to the level they have had in the past. ND will have a fair chance to look good.



Dep.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/22/2015 12:59 pm : link
I agree that this is where ND being an independent hurts them.

One thing that should be pointed out is that no one on the selection committee has ties to the Big 12. I know that shouldn't matter, but it will.
All about turnovers  
TMS : 11/22/2015 1:10 pm : link
with this team. Kelly better school these ball carriers in "high and tight". Without the turnovers ND would be #1 right now. BC should have been blown out early last night and we would have beaten Clemson as well. Very frustrating watching these correctable mistakes ruin a great season.
RE: All about turnovers  
mdc1 : 11/22/2015 3:09 pm : link
In comment 12638455 TMS said:
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with this team. Kelly better school these ball carriers in "high and tight". Without the turnovers ND would be #1 right now. BC should have been blown out early last night and we would have beaten Clemson as well. Very frustrating watching these correctable mistakes ruin a great season.


good lord, what do you want a participation trophy? Most scores are final from what I can remember.
If Notre Dame's opponents never missed tackles, coverages, catches,  
Patrick77 : 11/22/2015 3:29 pm : link
Or blocks Notre Dame probably never wins a game in their entire history! Think! If only other teams would stop screwing up Notre Dame would be the only school in history to never win a game!

Turnovers are part of football, some are mistakes due to poor play and coaching others are forced by better opponents. Everything is "easily" correctable from the couch.
I guess I stand corrected  
MetsAreBack : 11/24/2015 10:39 pm : link
Style points apparently matter. Hard to get too upset when the best two teams are clearly Clemson and Alabama - everyone else lucky to be there but apparently losing to Texas instead of the best team in the country in their place isn't a big deal.
If everyone wins out  
dep026 : 11/24/2015 10:52 pm : link
someone is getting screwed. Cases can be made for all 3 IMO. Yes, Oklahoma's loss to Texas isnt good. But is Texas a different team now than they were on the road for the opener? I mean we know how big of a rivalry it is.

MSU has to be in there with the quality of wins they have. They have beaten 3 top 15 teams.

Still can a lot change though. So ND isnt out.
I don't have a problem with MSU.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/25/2015 6:09 am : link
OU & Iowa are different stories.

OU beating TCU by 1 point at home with the Frog Horns missing both Boykin & Doctson. That's a quality win? Huh? And again, ND beat TX by 35 points. OU lost to them.

Who has Iowa beaten? The one common opponent they with ND is Pittsburgh. Iowa beat them at home on a last second FG. ND beat Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh by 12.

Give me a break. This is also the same selection committee that dropped TCU from 3rd to 7th last year after they won their finale 55-3.

Regardless, ND needs to win Saturday & hopefully convincingly.
RE: I don't have a problem with MSU.  
dep026 : 11/25/2015 6:36 am : link
In comment 12643403 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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OU & Iowa are different stories.

OU beating TCU by 1 point at home with the Frog Horns missing both Boykin & Doctson. That's a quality win? Huh? And again, ND beat TX by 35 points. OU lost to them.

Who has Iowa beaten? The one common opponent they with ND is Pittsburgh. Iowa beat them at home on a last second FG. ND beat Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh by 12.

Give me a break. This is also the same selection committee that dropped TCU from 3rd to 7th last year after they won their finale 55-3.

Regardless, ND needs to win Saturday & hopefully convincingly.


while being deserving over iowa, you aren't concerned about them. whoever wins the big 10 is in, so if you beat Stanford... you will eventually jump a big 10 team.

one thing about oklahoma vs. tcu. they were killing them at half when their qb got hurt. without mayfield, OU struggled.
Dep.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/25/2015 6:42 am : link
I think OSU beats OU. ND obviously needs that.
RE: Dep.  
dep026 : 11/25/2015 6:44 am : link
In comment 12643408 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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I think OSU beats OU. ND obviously needs that.


that would obviously make things a lot clearer too. but then again, I want UNC to beat clemson too haha.
What's the point of playing the games when wins and losses can  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/25/2015 8:29 am : link
just be ignored as they're choosing to do with Oklahoma right now? I didn't think it was fair when they did it last year with Ohio State and it's not fair now.

There's no way on earth Iowa or Oklahoma should be ahead of ND.
RE: What's the point of playing the games when wins and losses can  
dep026 : 11/25/2015 8:52 am : link
In comment 12643465 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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just be ignored as they're choosing to do with Oklahoma right now? I didn't think it was fair when they did it last year with Ohio State and it's not fair now.

There's no way on earth Iowa or Oklahoma should be ahead of ND.


So are you ignoring all their wins or concentrating on their 1 loss? It could be argued that their bad loss is preventing them from being as high as 2. They have 1 common opponent between them and Alabama, and Oklahoma was more impressive against Tennessee than Bama was.

Both teams have a legitimate gripe at the last spot. Like I said forgot Iowa. Iowa or MSU will knock each other off, so essentially you are sitting 5th.
Both ND and OU have run six consecutive wins since their single loss  
Metnut : 11/25/2015 9:08 am : link
Over those six games ND's opponents have a cumulative record of 39-26. OU's opponents have a cumulative record of 31-33. ND has beaten three teams with 8+ wins while OU has beaten two teams with 8+ wins. ND's one loss was to the #1 team in the country on the road, in a monsoon, by two points and OU got blown out by Texas. This honestly isn't even close.

I'm not surprised or even angry. Anyone paying attention knew that the committee would be a corrupt tool of the conferences once it was formed. The fact that disgraced former ND coach Tyrone Willingham is on the committee was enough for any reasonable person to predict that last night would happen.

I think a terrible loss deserves additional focus... losing to Texas  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/25/2015 9:16 am : link
is a terrible loss. (Losing at home to VT last year was a terrible loss.)


WGAS what Oklahoma did against Tennessee? Tennessee isn't even any good... they're currently in 3rd place in the worst SEC division anyone has seen since they went to this league structure. And yet it took Oklahoma TWO overtimes to beat TENN. Alabama's loss and even close win get trounced by the fact they've DESTROYED high ranked opponents several times this season. Oklahoma's best wins involve beating teams without their starting QB. Heck, they barely beat TCU who was using their 3rd string QB.
RE: I think a terrible loss deserves additional focus... losing to Texas  
dep026 : 11/25/2015 9:23 am : link
In comment 12643514 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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is a terrible loss. (Losing at home to VT last year was a terrible loss.)


WGAS what Oklahoma did against Tennessee? Tennessee isn't even any good... they're currently in 3rd place in the worst SEC division anyone has seen since they went to this league structure. And yet it took Oklahoma TWO overtimes to beat TENN. Alabama's loss and even close win get trounced by the fact they've DESTROYED high ranked opponents several times this season. Oklahoma's best wins involve beating teams without their starting QB. Heck, they barely beat TCU who was using their 3rd string QB.


Tennessee 4 losses have been by a combined 17 points against alabama, oklajoma, Florida and arkansas. 3 of those 4 teams are top 10 teams. they are better than people think.
RE: Both ND and OU have run six consecutive wins since their single loss  
dep026 : 11/25/2015 9:24 am : link
In comment 12643507 Metnut said:
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Over those six games ND's opponents have a cumulative record of 39-26. OU's opponents have a cumulative record of 31-33. ND has beaten three teams with 8+ wins while OU has beaten two teams with 8+ wins. ND's one loss was to the #1 team in the country on the road, in a monsoon, by two points and OU got blown out by Texas. This honestly isn't even close.

I'm not surprised or even angry. Anyone paying attention knew that the committee would be a corrupt tool of the conferences once it was formed. The fact that disgraced former ND coach Tyrone Willingham is on the committee was enough for any reasonable person to predict that last night would happen.


7 points isn't a blowout.
In the final 3 quarters of the game, Oklahoma  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/25/2015 9:33 am : link
had the ball only twice with a chance to tie the game.

They never had the ball with a chance to take the lead with a score outside of the first 5 minutes of the game.

Seven points isn't really indicative of how the game went.
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