It was great to see the Knicks grind out a victory last night with Carmelo Anthony in a serious foul trouble. KP stood like a colossus and intimidated the Houston Rockets in the paint. I live in Houston and boy, that felt gooood!! Thank you Phil Jackson.
I came across this KP's draft video. Enjoy.
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Yeah, well Knicks fans feel that pain, and it's a hard pain. Stephen Curry was drafted one slot ahead of the Knicks.
He's averagging 16 and 10.4 with 2.4 blocks 52% from the field and he's a few months YOUNGER than KP
Yeah he would still go one if the draft was today, KP though would move up from four that it certain. The Lakers are the team that will have the biggest regrets.
Russell, Alcindor, Magic, Bird.
Short list.
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Zinger but I think KAT is almost being underrated at this point. His start has been fantastic.
Yeah he would still go one if the draft was today, KP though would move up from four that it certain. The Lakers are the team that will have the biggest regrets.
There were people on the Lakers that wanted KP and he was the pick for a while. They they cooled on him. There is a lot of 2nd guessing lot here not just on KP, but on 2 or 3 other players they should have taken. They are not happy with Russell.
By who?
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Zinger but I think KAT is almost being underrated at this point. His start has been fantastic.
By who?
By the people saying KP would go #1 overall? By non-stop talk of KP with very, very little national coverage of Towns?
Unknown. He's 7'3 and moves like a guard with 3 point range. Good luck finding a good comp. Garnett with 3 point range is the closest I can come up with personally.
Bargnani: 2 games of 13+ rebounds (528 games)
Porzingis: 4 games of 13+ rebounds (14 games)
Bargnani: 2 games of 13+ rebounds (528 games)
Porzingis: 4 games of 13+ rebounds (14 games)
Not to say it wouldn't have happened anyway but I wonder if Phil's genius in voicing the possibility of he being similar to Sean Bradley has anything to do with it coming so early?
At the time that comment seem to really get under KP's skin and Phil Jackson has a history of using the media in motivating players.
Likely these three will be compared to each other for the next decade or two
That was a real concern with KP. But I think the beauty of Phil is that he will straight up say "this is what worries me about him" instead of beating around the bush. I think it's possible a guy like KP took those concerns to heart and made sure to put an emphasis on being tougher.
Deej how else would you read this?
"KP is one if the most unusual players I've ever seen
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And I mean that in a good way. I've never seen a guy his size with forward skills like that. And he can play center too? Really something. Probably should have been the #1 overall selection."
They finished the game yesterday with Calderon-Galloway-Afflalo-Melo-KP and the Rockets didn't make a basket the final 5 min (suck it Osi).
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I dont see people saying KP would go over Porz.
Deej how else would you read this?
"KP is one if the most unusual players I've ever seen
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And I mean that in a good way. I've never seen a guy his size with forward skills like that. And he can play center too? Really something. Probably should have been the #1 overall selection."
LOL
The best comp I can think of is Ralph Sampson
They finished the game yesterday with Calderon-Galloway-Afflalo-Melo-KP and the Rockets didn't make a basket the final 5 min (suck it Osi).
Rockets suck right now, congrats on beating a mediocre team. Just praying they can get hot at the right time to end the season.
KG could play PG on offense and could guard slow PGs like Calderon on defense.
KP is ridiculously unique himself and there are definitely similarities between him and KG. I'd agree that he is more similar to KG than he is to Dirk.
But he's still not THAT similar to KG.
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know it's a ridiculous comparison given one is an all-time great, first ballot HOF but I really think Garnett with better range is the closest thing we have to a KP comp.
The best comp I can think of is Ralph Sampson
No knock on Sampson because he's an all-time great in terms of actual talent but Sampson hit 10 career 3's (17%).
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know it's a ridiculous comparison given one is an all-time great, first ballot HOF but I really think Garnett with better range is the closest thing we have to a KP comp.
KG could play PG on offense and could guard slow PGs like Calderon on defense.
KP is ridiculously unique himself and there are definitely similarities between him and KG. I'd agree that he is more similar to KG than he is to Dirk.
But he's still not THAT similar to KG.
I don't see anyone who is a great comp. Dirk at the same age could easily go coast to coast off the dribble. Dirk also had more handle, less of a run/jump athlete. I think KP is one of the hardest players to compare others to in the history of the sport.
Raef is actually underrated for his career but I'd be shocked if KP isn't a better pure scorer.
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know it's a ridiculous comparison given one is an all-time great, first ballot HOF but I really think Garnett with better range is the closest thing we have to a KP comp.
The best comp I can think of is Ralph Sampson
No knock on Sampson because he's an all-time great in terms of actual talent but Sampson hit 10 career 3's (17%).
I'm not saying they are equivalent but to use your comparison I am saying he reminds me more of a Ralph Sampson with range than a Garnett with more range. Plus the game was very different when Sampson played and the threes weren't really even part of the game when he entered the league. To be fair and accent that point he only attempted four total 3-pointers his rookie season.
He's at 43/31 right now
Bargs is 44/36 for his career
Raef was 47/36 for his career
Dirk is 48/38 for his career
I wonder what kind of percentages KP will have in his prime.
I still take KAT #1. But it's arguable to me that KP has greater upside. It will be interesting to see if Minny can build a real team up there. In the past a lot of guys have wanted out. Will winning trump cold weather? It's a good town.
Other than it being a different era with regards to the three point shot who does he remind you of?
Maybe it was just me because I watched Sampson a lot when he was in college and as a pro but I see much more similarities between he and KP than a lot of other comparisons. Hopefully KP will avoid the injuries that took there toll on Sampson
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Kristaps Porzingis joins Patrick Ewing as just the second Knick in franchise history w/ at least 24 points, 14 Rebs & 7 blocks in one game.
And it took only 14 professional games...
Strange how NBA Draft evaluations are so often wrong. The perception was this was a 'soft or weak Top 5' class. Now it turns out there could be two franchise chips in play. Towns and 'Zinger are having impact on the floor out of the gate and both should only get better at their age.
This is really what it comes down to. Hopefully it will be he that players are to be compared to in coming decades.
Bill Cartwight had a terrific rookie season because they ran the offense through him. The Knicks are not running the O through KP, and he's still be spectacular, which is really unusual.
Btw, you'd still have to take KAT first overall just because of a more certain floor.
KP is potentially one of those elite shooters. The guy launches 3's from like 11-12 feet up. Look at some of the pull ups he did last night. Those are not tough guards -- they're unguardable. And his defense is looking like it could be special.
That's where he may have an advantage on KAT. Also, and I love KAT, but he's a bit of a weirdo. Fun guy, but also has imaginary friends. KP has that steeliness that so many studs have.
KP will get to a solid 250-260, easy. And he will be able to score in so many ways from the post that Sampson could not. And defend inside against full-sized centers.
The thing with upside vs. Towns is that it is really impossible to tell. I think a pretty good case can be made that KP's ceiling is higher. He is an incredible learner with an incredible attitude, and is displaying maturity at 20 that none of us could have imagined. He will have many ways to score that Towns can't match. That stroke is already there, too, he just needed to get his legs. And KP will be a go-to player at the end of games that a pure center cannot be. Will this offset Towns' very high skills as a pure center? I have no idea, but the possibility is certainly there.
An extremely athletic 7'3" player who will ultimately have superior knowledge of the game and a world-class stroke will have no one to compare to in modern BB history. Comparisons are useless.
The last time there was a player like KP was...never.
One other thing with KP's potential impact:
Consider how much better the Knicks will be at the end of games if KP is the one who needs to be double teamed, leaving Melo one-on-one with ample space between them, so switching won't work.
There was always talk that Melo, even at his best, needed another star to take the pressure off him. They may already have him, maybe not for now, but soon.
They are both cornerstones, and no reason they can't both be outstanding.
KP has me interesting in BB again, and he's 20?
There has never been anyone like what his upside could be... Larry Bird plus maybe?
Please note I said "could be..."
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In terms of Phil's Sean Bradley comment, I think it's too early to dismiss that from the discussion. We haven't yet seen teams decide to take KP seriously and get seriously physical with him. It's a long season.
Del, but what are KAT's minutes played per game?
What is his career average for scoring? Has to be less than 10 per game I would think and at this stage of his career it is expected he might be considerably less than his career average.
It's a possible issue that KP will have to deal with, although he seems to be showing outstanding hustle and toughness with his rebounding.
Glad to see it though and your post points to more evidence the Knicks were better off moving Chandler.
I agree. I post about a week or two ago that he needs to watch tapes of Kareem and try and perfect a Sky Hook. With his height it would be all but impossible to defend.
For that matter he should pay Kareem to work with him this offseason.
But sure, I have no problem with a hook. Or the Dirk 1-leg step back.
You don't think he could learn anything at all from talking and working with Kareem?
Reminds me of some great advise I received from someone when I was younger. "If you only learn one thing from reading a book it was worth the price of buying it"
But sure, I have no problem with a hook. Or the Dirk 1-leg step back.
That signature Dirk 1-legger would be absolutely unstoppable for him if Porzingis could master it.
I find it a little odd you seem to have such an aversion to even the idea of it. What could possibly be the downside to it?
Similar size/athletic profile to Carroll (a big 3&D). Carroll didnt really start to be a 3 point shooter in earnest until his mid/late 20s. Thomas is 27 and just added a 3 point shot. Obviously played really great man up D on a top tier SG last night.
Too optimistic? Or could he be at a launching point of his career? Even a lesser Carroll would be really valuable. Im sure fans in MEM, UTAH, DEN, and HOU were scratching thier heads that Carroll turned into a max player.
He's Gumby dammit!
I think this is exactly what he did and Porzingulous said as much. Makes a lot of sense as a motivational tool, or because he knew better and wanted to get everyone even more worried so when he played well, people would be in even more shock.
Porzingis laughed off the comment.
Thats what Phil does to get guys to work hard, the 7-foot-3 rookie told reporters Wednesday. That fired me up. Im not Shawn Bradley.
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Just how awful has Mudiay's shooting been? He's on pace to be the first qualifying player since 1960 to shoot worse than 34 percent from the field while taking at least 13 attempts per game. He's clinging to late-round value in 8-cat leagues, but is basically unusable in 9-cat thanks to his 4.4 turnovers per game.
Similar size/athletic profile to Carroll (a big 3&D). Carroll didnt really start to be a 3 point shooter in earnest until his mid/late 20s. Thomas is 27 and just added a 3 point shot. Obviously played really great man up D on a top tier SG last night.
Too optimistic? Or could he be at a launching point of his career? Even a lesser Carroll would be really valuable. Im sure fans in MEM, UTAH, DEN, and HOU were scratching thier heads that Carroll turned into a max player.
Yes! Been saying this for a bit now. His defense has been great, and he can guard the 2 - 4. If he can get that awkward looking shot to go in on a consistent basis, he should definitely stay as part of the rotation.
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I'm not saying he wasn't being honest but his choosing to say it publically so soon after the draft is fairly unorthodox and since we know he isn't stupid I can't help but think he believed there was a benefit in doing so.
I think this is exactly what he did and Porzingulous said as much. Makes a lot of sense as a motivational tool, or because he knew better and wanted to get everyone even more worried so when he played well, people would be in even more shock.
Porzingis laughed off the comment.
Thats what Phil does to get guys to work hard, the 7-foot-3 rookie told reporters Wednesday. That fired me up. Im not Shawn Bradley.
The way I took it was that Phil was lowering expectations on him so that it gave him time to develop. The fact that Porzingis already understands Phil and used that as motivation is just the icing on the cake.
The Knicks have two great players. Porzingis was the best player on the floor against the Rockets.
Jose Calderon, however, remembers Gasol as a skinny teenager when they first played together with Spains national team. Calderon also sees similarities but admits that right now, Kristaps is better.
If Im not mistaken it took Pau a little bit longer to get those big numbers, Calderon added. But also remember, Pau was the Rookie of the Year. Lets see where we are at the end of the year. But this is a good start.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/porzingis-lives-gasol-hype-calderon-better-article-1.2443513
Could we have two Knicks starting in the ASG?
Could we have two Knicks starting in the ASG?
I'm all in on the good people of Latvia. They've given us the gift of basketball hope. We should build infinity NATO bases there to deter Russia from fucking around.
KP and Whiteside shouldnt directly match up much. Bosh should cover KP, as Miami isnt going to want to draw Whiteside so far from the basket.
Could we have two Knicks starting in the ASG?
KP might get the start. Unfortunately, I don't think Melo will, though he'll probably be on the team. I could see the starting frontcourt being Drummond, KP and James based purely on voting.
How often in the history of the NBA has a player gone from this:
On September 25, 2014, Whiteside signed with the Memphis Grizzlies. However, he was later waived by the Grizzlies on October 22, 2014. On October 30, 2014, he was reacquired by the Rio Grande Valley Vipers. Two days later, his rights were traded to the Iowa Energy. He officially joined the Energy on November 14, 2014. On November 19, he re-signed with the Grizzlies. However, he was waived again the next day. On November 22, he re-joined Iowa.
to what he is showing now--15 points, 11 rebounds, nearly 5 blocks per game?
NBA teams usually hang on to legit 7-footers that have his athletic ability. Javale McGee got tons of chances.
It looks like he's cleaned himself up.
NYC hype, Great White Hope hype, International flavor, Likeable dude, Fun to Watch
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watch out for KP to be voted in as an East starter. Last year the good people of Latvia threw their support behind one of their countrymen, a relative nobody named Zemgus Girgensons. They propelled him to first place in the fan voting with 1.6 million votes. What if they do it again this year? The Eastern conf forwards last season were LeBron (1.47mm votes), Pau (974k), and Melo (647k).
Could we have two Knicks starting in the ASG?
KP might get the start. Unfortunately, I don't think Melo will, though he'll probably be on the team. I could see the starting frontcourt being Drummond, KP and James based purely on voting.
Literally zero chance Drummond will start over Melo in the all star game....
Drummond is having a great start to the year but he plays in Detroit and is getting zero exposure..
Detroit has ZERO national games...he is not nearly as popular as Melo...
The end of games possessions should be high pick and roll/pop between Melo and KP every time...
If the big sinks Melo has a wide open jumper...
If the big plays it agressive he has KP for a wide open jumper...
Im really at a loss as to how high his ceiling is.
A Porzingis note from Power Rankings - 346 of his 366 minutes (95%) have been w/ Melo also on the floor
Bosh on Porzingis: "Pay attention to him. He deserves attention. Most of the film I see, guys aren't paying attention and I don't know why."
Porzingis wants to add Dirk's step-back jumper to his game: "It's unguardable."
Also is that his father and mother with him? His father looks a lot like James Bond (Daniel Craig)
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Also is that his father and mother with him? His father looks a lot like James Bond (Daniel Craig) Link - ( New Window )
His brother, who was also a pro in europe. Also his coach and trainer. Been helping him out with transitioning to life in the NBA.
I remember when Eric first mentioned Porzingis i thought there is no chance and when i first watched his DX video i thought Bargnani clone because it said he would be weak defensively...
Whne the pick happened i was surprised because he was supposed to be such a project but the more i watched of his full games of his euro games you saw the glimpses...
I am ecstatic that i was wrong about him...
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Here is the video of KP being drafted (and booed). He certainly has fulfilled his prediction of turning them into cheers.
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His brother, who was also a pro in europe. Also his coach and trainer. Been helping him out with transitioning to life in the NBA.
Thanks, I never read about his brother.
Well at least in that video his brother looks a lot like Daniel Craig.
Simmons + Jamal Murray/Kris Dunn? And what if Embiid comes back? Added to Okafor, Noel, Saric, Covington etc.
I was afraid Russell would fall to the Knicks and i wanted nothing to do with him...
Okafor i was 50-50 on, i thought he would struggle more offensively than he has because his game is back to the basket and i did not think he would be able to back his way down as easy as he did in college plus i thought his defense would be crap....
Simmons + Jamal Murray/Kris Dunn? And what if Embiid comes back? Added to Okafor, Noel, Saric, Covington etc.
They need a PG and if i was them and they were confident Embiid was coming back, i would shop Noel for a PG...
It is the only way for them to rebuild...They are never going to get a Free agent to sign with them so they have to rebuild through the draft..
It sucks for their fans but they are doing what they have to...
Outlawed? Or simply against the rules? (grin)
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I have no respect for the way they're going about this.
It is the only way for them to rebuild...They are never going to get a Free agent to sign with them so they have to rebuild through the draft..
It sucks for their fans but they are doing what they have to...
It's not Des Moines, Iowa. The other major sports teams in that major city attract free agents just fine, but that's probably because they're run like a professional outfit and don't encourage quit.
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I have no respect for the way they're going about this.
Outlawed? Or simply against the rules? (grin)
lol
I really hope it blows up in their face. I hope the Lakers get the #3 pick, Philly slides to 4 and their player kind of busts. I hope they get just good enough to mostly be out of the running for the top of the draft in future seasons.
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Fans are in large part really lousy people. Jose is by and large well known to be a good guy, great in the locker room, and team first. His teammates swear by him.