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NFT: Knicks Chat:Kristaps Porzingis is a colossus

dk in TX : 11/22/2015 9:47 am
It was great to see the Knicks grind out a victory last night with Carmelo Anthony in a serious foul trouble. KP stood like a colossus and intimidated the Houston Rockets in the paint. I live in Houston and boy, that felt gooood!! Thank you Phil Jackson.

I came across this KP's draft video. Enjoy.
KP - ( New Window )
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How do you feel now Stephen... Ahole  
GiantMike92 : 11/22/2015 10:29 am : link
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hlD4WgfTvoc
It's still early  
est1986 : 11/22/2015 10:30 am : link
To declare anything. But as an Orlando Magics fan, boy was I pisswd that KP got drafted one slot ahead of us, wanted him bad!
RE: How do you feel now Stephen... Ahole  
blueblood : 11/22/2015 10:33 am : link
In comment 12638232 GiantMike92 said:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hlD4WgfTvoc


Here is the answer to your question
Steven A backpedals on KP - ( New Window )
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bceagle05 : 11/22/2015 10:51 am : link
Good to see him getting nickname attention beyond the NYC market  
jgambrosio : 11/22/2015 10:55 am : link
Saw this in the Journal this morning
Kristaps Porzingis - The Sensation Without a Nickname - ( New Window )
RE: It's still early  
PhiPsi125 : 11/22/2015 11:01 am : link
In comment 12638235 est1986 said:
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To declare anything. But as an Orlando Magics fan, boy was I pisswd that KP got drafted one slot ahead of us, wanted him bad!


Yeah, well Knicks fans feel that pain, and it's a hard pain. Stephen Curry was drafted one slot ahead of the Knicks.
SAS is an ASS  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/22/2015 11:08 am : link
The way he was intentionally mispronouncing the kid's name was just straight-up douchebaggery.
Not sure who is a free agent for next year  
gmenrule : 11/22/2015 11:09 am : link
but I could see a few of them wanting to play with Porzingis and the Knicks. They are a lot better, fun to watch, and I think JP is a player to build around. What position should the Knicks look to upgrade in the offseason ? Would love to see another scorer (and better defender) to complement Melo and eventually replace him.
Agree on SAS!  
Carl in CT : 11/22/2015 11:10 am : link
Where has Phil been? Saw him at games a lot more last year!
Sorry  
gmenrule : 11/22/2015 11:12 am : link
make that KP - typo.
KP is one if the most unusual players I've ever seen  
BillT : 11/22/2015 11:15 am : link
And I mean that in a good way. I've never seen a guy his size with forward skills like that. And he can play center too? Really something. Probably should have been the #1 overall selection.
I'm guessing 2017  
bceagle05 : 11/22/2015 11:20 am : link
is a more realistic year to make a big splash, but we'll see. Hopefully we can lure a solid wing player and bring Big Willy over, then go big-game hunting next summer.
Love  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 11:20 am : link
Zinger but I think KAT is almost being underrated at this point. His start has been fantastic.
KAT  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 11:25 am : link
still goes #1 if there is a redraft

He's averagging 16 and 10.4 with 2.4 blocks 52% from the field and he's a few months YOUNGER than KP
RE: Love  
steve in ky : 11/22/2015 11:26 am : link
In comment 12638321 DanMetroMan said:
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Zinger but I think KAT is almost being underrated at this point. His start has been fantastic.


Yeah he would still go one if the draft was today, KP though would move up from four that it certain. The Lakers are the team that will have the biggest regrets.
KP is doing what few players ever did is  
Stan in LA : 11/22/2015 11:28 am : link
Take a losing/bad team and transform them into a winner all by himself. Even Jordan couldn't do that. Those that did?

Russell, Alcindor, Magic, Bird.

Short list.
RE: RE: Love  
Stan in LA : 11/22/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12638327 steve in ky said:
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Zinger but I think KAT is almost being underrated at this point. His start has been fantastic.



Yeah he would still go one if the draft was today, KP though would move up from four that it certain. The Lakers are the team that will have the biggest regrets.


There were people on the Lakers that wanted KP and he was the pick for a while. They they cooled on him. There is a lot of 2nd guessing lot here not just on KP, but on 2 or 3 other players they should have taken. They are not happy with Russell.
RE: Love  
Deej : 11/22/2015 11:39 am : link
In comment 12638321 DanMetroMan said:
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Zinger but I think KAT is almost being underrated at this point. His start has been fantastic.


By who?
RE: RE: Love  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 11:44 am : link
In comment 12638349 Deej said:
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In comment 12638321 DanMetroMan said:


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Zinger but I think KAT is almost being underrated at this point. His start has been fantastic.



By who?


By the people saying KP would go #1 overall? By non-stop talk of KP with very, very little national coverage of Towns?
So  
Jon in NYC : 11/22/2015 11:46 am : link
what is KP's ceiling?
#4  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 11:48 am : link
story on ESPN was Porzingis monster game. Towns put up 28 and 14 with 4 blocks in his second career game and I didn't hear anyone going nuts. Towns has 11 or more rebounds 8 times already this year. Most people on here realize I'm a massive KP guy so I don't feel the need to defend him but Towns looks like a franchise player, I'd take him over Wiggins and Irving (previous recent #1's), obviously over Bennett, Davis is obviously a historically amazing talent.
RE: So  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 11:49 am : link
In comment 12638357 Jon in NYC said:
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what is KP's ceiling?


Unknown. He's 7'3 and moves like a guard with 3 point range. Good luck finding a good comp. Garnett with 3 point range is the closest I can come up with personally.
the rebounding and toughness  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/22/2015 11:51 am : link
I just never expected this out of him, especially as a rookie. Porzingis was compared to Bargnani a lot, I thought this was interesting...

Bargnani: 2 games of 13+ rebounds (528 games)
Porzingis: 4 games of 13+ rebounds (14 games)

Bottom  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 11:54 am : link
line is GM's likely were scared off by past euro busts and shame on them. Watch KP in a single interview and you could see this kid is closer to an American player (fluent english) with a huge motor vs. some soft Bargnani. His personality is closer to Dirk than these Euro losers.
I enjoyed watching KP play center last night.  
Ira : 11/22/2015 11:55 am : link
Ultimately, I think that will be his position, once he gets stronger. Then it will be more interesting to compare him with Towns. Okafor is clearly not in this competition.
RE: the rebounding and toughness  
steve in ky : 11/22/2015 11:57 am : link
In comment 12638367 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I just never expected this out of him, especially as a rookie. Porzingis was compared to Bargnani a lot, I thought this was interesting...

Bargnani: 2 games of 13+ rebounds (528 games)
Porzingis: 4 games of 13+ rebounds (14 games)


Not to say it wouldn't have happened anyway but I wonder if Phil's genius in voicing the possibility of he being similar to Sean Bradley has anything to do with it coming so early?

At the time that comment seem to really get under KP's skin and Phil Jackson has a history of using the media in motivating players.
RE: I enjoyed watching KP play center last night.  
steve in ky : 11/22/2015 11:58 am : link
In comment 12638372 Ira said:
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Ultimately, I think that will be his position, once he gets stronger. Then it will be more interesting to compare him with Towns. Okafor is clearly not in this competition.


Likely these three will be compared to each other for the next decade or two
Dan  
Deej : 11/22/2015 12:03 pm : link
I dont see people saying KP would go over Porz.
.  
Deej : 11/22/2015 12:04 pm : link
*over KAT
steve  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/22/2015 12:04 pm : link
I actually think Phil is just brutally honest. I don't think he was making the Bradley comp as an insult. IIRC, he was just saying that freakishly tall skinny guys like Porzingis might have trouble with the physical aspect of the NBA because of the leverage disadvantage they'll always have to deal with against shorter/stronger guys.

That was a real concern with KP. But I think the beauty of Phil is that he will straight up say "this is what worries me about him" instead of beating around the bush. I think it's possible a guy like KP took those concerns to heart and made sure to put an emphasis on being tougher.
At least the Knicks are a fun team to watch again  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/22/2015 12:05 pm : link
what a great turnover of the roster. It is amazing to see how much KP has developed in such a short period of time. Seems like everything you want in a basketball player - skills and grit.
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy  
steve in ky : 11/22/2015 12:09 pm : link
I'm not saying he wasn't being honest but his choosing to say it publically so soon after the draft is fairly unorthodox and since we know he isn't stupid I can't help but think he believed there was a benefit in doing so.
I agree with that  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/22/2015 12:13 pm : link
Phil is a master at doing this stuff, so it wouldn't be a surprise.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12638379 Deej said:
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I dont see people saying KP would go over Porz.


Deej how else would you read this?

"KP is one if the most unusual players I've ever seen
BillT : 11:15 am : link : reply
And I mean that in a good way. I've never seen a guy his size with forward skills like that. And he can play center too? Really something. Probably should have been the #1 overall selection."
The goal  
Jon in NYC : 11/22/2015 12:16 pm : link
long term should be to have a lineup of Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5.

They finished the game yesterday with Calderon-Galloway-Afflalo-Melo-KP and the Rockets didn't make a basket the final 5 min (suck it Osi).
RE: RE: Dan  
steve in ky : 11/22/2015 12:16 pm : link
In comment 12638388 DanMetroMan said:
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I dont see people saying KP would go over Porz.



Deej how else would you read this?

"KP is one if the most unusual players I've ever seen
BillT : 11:15 am : link : reply
And I mean that in a good way. I've never seen a guy his size with forward skills like that. And he can play center too? Really something. Probably should have been the #1 overall selection."


LOL
I  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 12:17 pm : link
know it's a ridiculous comparison given one is an all-time great, first ballot HOF but I really think Garnett with better range is the closest thing we have to a KP comp.
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steve in ky : 11/22/2015 12:19 pm : link
In comment 12638395 DanMetroMan said:
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know it's a ridiculous comparison given one is an all-time great, first ballot HOF but I really think Garnett with better range is the closest thing we have to a KP comp.


The best comp I can think of is Ralph Sampson
RE: The goal  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/22/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12638391 Jon in NYC said:
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long term should be to have a lineup of Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5.

They finished the game yesterday with Calderon-Galloway-Afflalo-Melo-KP and the Rockets didn't make a basket the final 5 min (suck it Osi).


Rockets suck right now, congrats on beating a mediocre team. Just praying they can get hot at the right time to end the season.
RE: I  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/22/2015 12:23 pm : link
In comment 12638395 DanMetroMan said:
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know it's a ridiculous comparison given one is an all-time great, first ballot HOF but I really think Garnett with better range is the closest thing we have to a KP comp.


KG could play PG on offense and could guard slow PGs like Calderon on defense.

KP is ridiculously unique himself and there are definitely similarities between him and KG. I'd agree that he is more similar to KG than he is to Dirk.

But he's still not THAT similar to KG.
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DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 12:23 pm : link
In comment 12638396 steve in ky said:
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know it's a ridiculous comparison given one is an all-time great, first ballot HOF but I really think Garnett with better range is the closest thing we have to a KP comp.



The best comp I can think of is Ralph Sampson


No knock on Sampson because he's an all-time great in terms of actual talent but Sampson hit 10 career 3's (17%).
Raef LaFrentz is a good comp for a floor  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/22/2015 12:24 pm : link
**ducks**
I think KAT is still #1 in a redraft but KP moves up to #2.  
Del Shofner : 11/22/2015 12:25 pm : link
It's a small sample size for both guys, but KAT is at 16.0 pts 10.4 reb 2.4 blk with KP at 13.2, 8.8 and 1.5. Can't deny KAT is the goods. That said, KP is getting more publicity because of the large market vs. small market deal. Doesn't matter in the end - both great picks.
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DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12638401 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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know it's a ridiculous comparison given one is an all-time great, first ballot HOF but I really think Garnett with better range is the closest thing we have to a KP comp.



KG could play PG on offense and could guard slow PGs like Calderon on defense.

KP is ridiculously unique himself and there are definitely similarities between him and KG. I'd agree that he is more similar to KG than he is to Dirk.

But he's still not THAT similar to KG.


I don't see anyone who is a great comp. Dirk at the same age could easily go coast to coast off the dribble. Dirk also had more handle, less of a run/jump athlete. I think KP is one of the hardest players to compare others to in the history of the sport.
RE: Raef LaFrentz is a good comp for a floor  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2015 12:28 pm : link
In comment 12638403 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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**ducks**


Raef is actually underrated for his career but I'd be shocked if KP isn't a better pure scorer.
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steve in ky : 11/22/2015 12:29 pm : link
In comment 12638402 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12638395 DanMetroMan said:


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know it's a ridiculous comparison given one is an all-time great, first ballot HOF but I really think Garnett with better range is the closest thing we have to a KP comp.



The best comp I can think of is Ralph Sampson



No knock on Sampson because he's an all-time great in terms of actual talent but Sampson hit 10 career 3's (17%).



I'm not saying they are equivalent but to use your comparison I am saying he reminds me more of a Ralph Sampson with range than a Garnett with more range. Plus the game was very different when Sampson played and the threes weren't really even part of the game when he entered the league. To be fair and accent that point he only attempted four total 3-pointers his rookie season.
FG% -- 3P%  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/22/2015 12:43 pm : link
What I love about Porzingis is that he is such an all-around talent that the fans/media all fell in love with his game even when he was shooting 38% from the field and like 20% from 3 before the last week.

He's at 43/31 right now

Bargs is 44/36 for his career
Raef was 47/36 for his career
Dirk is 48/38 for his career

I wonder what kind of percentages KP will have in his prime.
DRAGOoooooooo!!!!!  
Torrag : 11/22/2015 12:44 pm : link
DRAGOooooo!!!!!
One or two people saying KP #1  
Deej : 11/22/2015 12:44 pm : link
isnt meaningful to me. If we slow down to make a deal out of every isolated opinion we'll get no where.

I still take KAT #1. But it's arguable to me that KP has greater upside. It will be interesting to see if Minny can build a real team up there. In the past a lot of guys have wanted out. Will winning trump cold weather? It's a good town.
Death from Above!!!!  
Torrag : 11/22/2015 12:45 pm : link
!!!
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