I think their jobs are almost certainly secure, barring a total collapse.
Same here. If there was a reason to dismiss Reese it was the condition the roster was in the two years prior to 2015. Same for Coughlin, you could argue that he had done less with more before this year, and is doing more with less now.
They have managed to justify keeping TC and Reese Â
through far worse, less competitive years. There's no way they get tossed now unless they fall apart over the next 6 games. Mara can talk about 'win or else' but he's already backed off that a number of times.
They need to win the next 3 to have a shot at this thing.
I think their jobs are almost certainly secure, barring a total collapse.
This.
I'm not a proponent of this regime, but at this point, I think it's a lock the gang all returns in 2016. Barring a major upgrade in talent/personnel, we'll be what we always are: a middling team that hovers right around .500.
I think their jobs are almost certainly secure, barring a total collapse.
Same here. If there was a reason to dismiss Reese it was the condition the roster was in the two years prior to 2015. Same for Coughlin, you could argue that he had done less with more before this year, and is doing more with less now.
Agreed. I think teams often fire guys too early and the successor gets undeserved credit for subsequent success. The Giants take the longer view - the criticisms I've had of management earlier in the decade have been addressed and the team is on the upswing. We're seeing continued improvement on offense and defense (with growing pains due to young talent). Oddly enough given the heart-breaking losses, I think this season has gone as best can be reasonably expected - some tough wins credited to Eli and Odell, with signs of improvement along the line and defense.
I still think the Giants are a good off-season away from being a Super Bowl contender again - but I also thought that in 2007. I think they'll win the division anyway, but I'm really doubtful TC or Reese get fired regardless.
I think their jobs are almost certainly secure, barring a total collapse.
This.
I'm not a proponent of this regime, but at this point, I think it's a lock the gang all returns in 2016. Barring a major upgrade in talent/personnel, we'll be what we always are: a middling team that hovers right around .500.
Right, like the NFL average. Of course, not mentioning the 2 time Super Bowl champion.
Too many starters missing too many games. No blow out losses like in past seasons, lots off young guys thrown into action and developing. It is clear to me there is something building here, barring a collapse down the stretch. Plus, Eli is playing the best football of his career right now (2011 was his best year, clearly, but last year was his second best and this year could be even better). It would be a big mistake blowing things up in the middle of Eli's prime.
It was a two year project coming into the season Â
But that’s what the Giants set in motion by failing to make the playoffs from 2012-14 and emerging from the soft spot of their schedule this year with a middling, .500 team.
Four division games, and the defending Superbowl Champions.
How is that schedule the soft spot, compared to the remaining games?
is pure conjecture to drive readers interest for generating internet page hits. And it is total BS.
This staff is the only reason the Giants have had the limited success seen over the last 2-3 years.
The Giants are in transition due to a depleted roster (poor drafting, FA picks and injuries).
BBI has long chronicled the poor draft results form 08-12 and the recent change in draft results from 2013 to now.
Re-growing the teams talent is a work in progress that should see large strides next year.
Tom and the rest of the staff are the reasons for any success. Even the ST Coord (who is a long time BBI target for firing) is seeing improved results with more talented players on ST.
However, that story doesn't sell newsprint or generate internet hits and advertising revenue. Negative and scandals sell, That is what Ralph the jackass is selling.
resse was arrogant and a little smug in his presser last week.
This guys been arrogant and smug since day one. It's a cover for being in way over his pay grade. Don't want TC gone but if it means Reese will go so be it.
If there is a collapse then I can see Coughlin being asked to retire
but there is no way they get rid of Reese
because although many on BBI do not like Reese -
there will be at least a dozen NFL teams ready to hire Reese tomorrow
if Giants are stupid enough to let him go
only scenario I could see is losing this division this Â
TC would have to be pushed aside if they fail to make the playoffs for a fourth year, especially given how weak the divsiion is and the circumstances of many losses.
If this team misses the playoffs and Mara sees a coach on his short list who is available he's going to make a change.
A lot of bad has to occur to miss the playoffs. Guessing 3-3 or worse will not be enough with only "we played the Patriots tough" to justify no change.
Has seemed to be more and more critical the last year or so on the personnel management and scouting side than expressly on Coughlin and the coaching which is a flipside from a few years ago.
I don't think either gets fired but I think there's a lot of pressure and watchful eye on Reese and his crew this offseason than ever before.
...there will be no excuses this time around. They have the lead. They have the lead. They have the lead. That was not the case in years past where they were so far behind at this point, it was essentially over by Thanksgiving.
Those who think that Mara will still keep the Tom and Jerry show even if they miss the playoffs for the 5th time are kidding themselves. It won't take a complete collapse...just enough of one to miss the playoffs.
can be seen as such junk because RV wrote but yet his points are pretty darn accurate. I am not saying his hypothesis is correct but his reasoning for why can't be argued.
The Giants are 5-5 and so many here want to talk about the great job TC and staff have done with the injuries etc. yet, we seem to forget the losses to Dallas, Atlanta, New Orleans, New England where we had double digit leads in the fourth quarter. Our injuries didn't stop us from taking those leads. Our injuries didn't have anything to do with questionable uses of timeouts and poor clock management. In a division of crap we are the least stinky at the moment. BUT, had we played smart football (and that is something you would think would be our biggest advantage with such experience at the HC level) and smart game/clock management the Giants could be 2 or even 3 games up on the division.
That is the biggest issue right there. The team isn't being beaten down by other teams due to injuries and lack of talent, we have literally given away at least 2 and arguably 4 games this year. The only game we just didn't play well at all in is the Philly game. So you can't tell me that some of the problems we have this year are not directly tied to the coaching staff.
instead, because we have sucked the last few years we want to hang our hats on competing week in and week out. That is fine for some but you can't dismiss the facts of RV's argument even if you don't agree with the conclusion. It doesn't make someone a hater or bad fan if they feel like this season has been one marred with coaching issues at critical times.
I want the Gmen to make the playoffs and win but I also want this trend of making stupid decisions late in games to stop. I don't know who would be a good candidate to coach this team but I do know that missing the playoffs in a year when the division is so bad because we blew games via strategy and management can't be accepted as a success no matter the other circumstances.
but it makes sense now more than ever. It would be a pretty massive disappointment to not win the division when you're past the halfway point and all of the other teams are under .500
If you can't win in a year like that, after your previous years have sucked, you probably deserve to get fired. If you can win, cool, they stick around for a few more years and we see what they can do with more talent added to the roster.
is pure conjecture to drive readers interest for generating internet page hits. And it is total BS.
This staff is the only reason the Giants have had the limited success seen over the last 2-3 years.
The Giants are in transition due to a depleted roster (poor drafting, FA picks and injuries).
BBI has long chronicled the poor draft results form 08-12 and the recent change in draft results from 2013 to now.
Re-growing the teams talent is a work in progress that should see large strides next year.
Tom and the rest of the staff are the reasons for any success. Even the ST Coord (who is a long time BBI target for firing) is seeing improved results with more talented players on ST.
However, that story doesn't sell newsprint or generate internet hits and advertising revenue. Negative and scandals sell, That is what Ralph the jackass is selling.
do not make the headline. The headline makes it sound like he's saying it's a definite. The article says that it's a distinct possibility. There's a big difference.
it is evident that this team is headed in a better direction because of the last 3 drafts. If we have a solid defensive draft in the offseason I'll be very optimistic for another shot at the division title next year.
Point in the season for retaining the current staff is silly. If we go 4-2 and the Cowboys run the table and win a tie breaker Coughlin should be fired, but if we go 4-2 and the other teams lose a couple then Coughlin should keep his job? They should be evaluated on the season as a whole, and I feel as of right now the coaching staff is getting more out of this team then most coaching staffs would. Going into next year, with plenty of Money to spend, a QB in his prime, and two fairly new coordinators it would be a terrible decision to change regimes IMO.
can be seen as such junk because RV wrote but yet his points are pretty darn accurate. I am not saying his hypothesis is correct but his reasoning for why can't be argued.
The Giants are 5-5 and so many here want to talk about the great job TC and staff have done with the injuries etc. yet, we seem to forget the losses to Dallas, Atlanta, New Orleans, New England where we had double digit leads in the fourth quarter. Our injuries didn't stop us from taking those leads. Our injuries didn't have anything to do with questionable uses of timeouts and poor clock management. In a division of crap we are the least stinky at the moment. BUT, had we played smart football (and that is something you would think would be our biggest advantage with such experience at the HC level) and smart game/clock management the Giants could be 2 or even 3 games up on the division.
That is the biggest issue right there. The team isn't being beaten down by other teams due to injuries and lack of talent, we have literally given away at least 2 and arguably 4 games this year. The only game we just didn't play well at all in is the Philly game. So you can't tell me that some of the problems we have this year are not directly tied to the coaching staff.
instead, because we have sucked the last few years we want to hang our hats on competing week in and week out. That is fine for some but you can't dismiss the facts of RV's argument even if you don't agree with the conclusion. It doesn't make someone a hater or bad fan if they feel like this season has been one marred with coaching issues at critical times.
I want the Gmen to make the playoffs and win but I also want this trend of making stupid decisions late in games to stop. I don't know who would be a good candidate to coach this team but I do know that missing the playoffs in a year when the division is so bad because we blew games via strategy and management can't be accepted as a success no matter the other circumstances.
You need to watch some other games, as does Ralph. This is the League now.
Think Coughlin forgot how to coach. Let's take a few questionable clock decisions over a four game span and use that as a reason to fire a guy that has been coaching for probably 50 years and most likely will be inducted into the HOF. Makes sense.
I think Coughlin (and McAdoo and Spags) and Reese Â
should stay for the rest of Eli's tenure. When it's time to search for the next franchise quarterback, then Coughlin can retire and we can move on from there.
have the accurate read, the realistic read, the read consistent with the Maras' mo over the course of along history.
And while I share the read, the result upsets me, because I think Reese has been less than mediocre over his tenure, with arrogance to boot to deflect from years of poor judgments and assessments.
The first thing he did before anything as a GM was cut Luke Petitgout, and not only did he cut him, he basically crushed him on the way out the door and tossed him in a trash can with his assessment of his talent. I just don't think he's particularly good at dealing with the media. The filter isn't there.
The risk is wasting 1-2 years while Eli goes through a new system. It's been a frustrating year but there's been progress -- we have a good chance of winning the division -- and with a lot of cap space and another good draft, there's a real chance for a significant run next season. I think the only way a coaching change happens is if Mara thinks McAdoo is ready to be HC.
Coughlin's replacements are there: McAdoo & Spags. Since the Giants value continuity, removing Coughlin won't cost the Giants much.
Reese's replacement is harder to figure, and less likely to make a clear impact on the bottom line. Plus they often want to bring in their own coaches, so it would be a more disruptive process. Giants don't like that.
with the arrow pointing up. I also think, even if they don't make the playoffs, that TC and staff will be brought back for probably one more year to see if an infusion of talent on the defensive side, can get them to the playoffs again and the promised land. All bets are off after that however and I also think that there may be a few changes on teh staff again in the offseason too. Changes could also be forthcoming in the front office.
is pure conjecture to drive readers interest for generating internet page hits. And it is total BS.
This staff is the only reason the Giants have had the limited success seen over the last 2-3 years.
The Giants are in transition due to a depleted roster (poor drafting, FA picks and injuries).
BBI has long chronicled the poor draft results form 08-12 and the recent change in draft results from 2013 to now.
Re-growing the teams talent is a work in progress that should see large strides next year.
Tom and the rest of the staff are the reasons for any success. Even the ST Coord (who is a long time BBI target for firing) is seeing improved results with more talented players on ST.
However, that story doesn't sell newsprint or generate internet hits and advertising revenue. Negative and scandals sell, That is what Ralph the jackass is selling.
Don't buy into it.
Exactly. The Giants are a well run organization. Ralph needs to cover the Redskins
resse was arrogant and a little smug in his presser last week.
This guys been arrogant and smug since day one. It's a cover for being in way over his pay grade. Don't want TC gone but if it means Reese will go so be it.
I'm pretty sure Giants ownership does not agree with you and because the Giants are a class organization they will remain ind debt of the Reese/Coughlin/Manning era for providing 2 Superbowl championships.
Aka.. all 3 will be allowed to leave/retire from this organization how and when they choose to do so.
Not sure why you and other fans cant seem to grasp this.
Same here. If there was a reason to dismiss Reese it was the condition the roster was in the two years prior to 2015. Same for Coughlin, you could argue that he had done less with more before this year, and is doing more with less now.
They need to win the next 3 to have a shot at this thing.
This.
I'm not a proponent of this regime, but at this point, I think it's a lock the gang all returns in 2016. Barring a major upgrade in talent/personnel, we'll be what we always are: a middling team that hovers right around .500.
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I think their jobs are almost certainly secure, barring a total collapse.
Same here. If there was a reason to dismiss Reese it was the condition the roster was in the two years prior to 2015. Same for Coughlin, you could argue that he had done less with more before this year, and is doing more with less now.
Agreed. I think teams often fire guys too early and the successor gets undeserved credit for subsequent success. The Giants take the longer view - the criticisms I've had of management earlier in the decade have been addressed and the team is on the upswing. We're seeing continued improvement on offense and defense (with growing pains due to young talent). Oddly enough given the heart-breaking losses, I think this season has gone as best can be reasonably expected - some tough wins credited to Eli and Odell, with signs of improvement along the line and defense.
I still think the Giants are a good off-season away from being a Super Bowl contender again - but I also thought that in 2007. I think they'll win the division anyway, but I'm really doubtful TC or Reese get fired regardless.
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I think their jobs are almost certainly secure, barring a total collapse.
This.
I'm not a proponent of this regime, but at this point, I think it's a lock the gang all returns in 2016. Barring a major upgrade in talent/personnel, we'll be what we always are: a middling team that hovers right around .500.
Right, like the NFL average. Of course, not mentioning the 2 time Super Bowl champion.
have excuses that the owners will accept
No accountability
have excuses that the owners will accept
No accountability
We have no idea what changed internally the past few seasons. Accountability doesn't (and shouldn't) just mean firings.
Four division games, and the defending Superbowl Champions.
How is that schedule the soft spot, compared to the remaining games?
there is no way they get rid of Reese
if they do there are 10 teams ready to hire Reese tomorrow
This staff is the only reason the Giants have had the limited success seen over the last 2-3 years.
The Giants are in transition due to a depleted roster (poor drafting, FA picks and injuries).
BBI has long chronicled the poor draft results form 08-12 and the recent change in draft results from 2013 to now.
Re-growing the teams talent is a work in progress that should see large strides next year.
Tom and the rest of the staff are the reasons for any success. Even the ST Coord (who is a long time BBI target for firing) is seeing improved results with more talented players on ST.
However, that story doesn't sell newsprint or generate internet hits and advertising revenue. Negative and scandals sell, That is what Ralph the jackass is selling.
Don't buy into it.
This guys been arrogant and smug since day one. It's a cover for being in way over his pay grade. Don't want TC gone but if it means Reese will go so be it.
but there is no way they get rid of Reese
because although many on BBI do not like Reese -
there will be at least a dozen NFL teams ready to hire Reese tomorrow
if Giants are stupid enough to let him go
A lot of bad has to occur to miss the playoffs. Guessing 3-3 or worse will not be enough with only "we played the Patriots tough" to justify no change.
I don't think either gets fired but I think there's a lot of pressure and watchful eye on Reese and his crew this offseason than ever before.
Those who think that Mara will still keep the Tom and Jerry show even if they miss the playoffs for the 5th time are kidding themselves. It won't take a complete collapse...just enough of one to miss the playoffs.
The Giants are 5-5 and so many here want to talk about the great job TC and staff have done with the injuries etc. yet, we seem to forget the losses to Dallas, Atlanta, New Orleans, New England where we had double digit leads in the fourth quarter. Our injuries didn't stop us from taking those leads. Our injuries didn't have anything to do with questionable uses of timeouts and poor clock management. In a division of crap we are the least stinky at the moment. BUT, had we played smart football (and that is something you would think would be our biggest advantage with such experience at the HC level) and smart game/clock management the Giants could be 2 or even 3 games up on the division.
That is the biggest issue right there. The team isn't being beaten down by other teams due to injuries and lack of talent, we have literally given away at least 2 and arguably 4 games this year. The only game we just didn't play well at all in is the Philly game. So you can't tell me that some of the problems we have this year are not directly tied to the coaching staff.
instead, because we have sucked the last few years we want to hang our hats on competing week in and week out. That is fine for some but you can't dismiss the facts of RV's argument even if you don't agree with the conclusion. It doesn't make someone a hater or bad fan if they feel like this season has been one marred with coaching issues at critical times.
I want the Gmen to make the playoffs and win but I also want this trend of making stupid decisions late in games to stop. I don't know who would be a good candidate to coach this team but I do know that missing the playoffs in a year when the division is so bad because we blew games via strategy and management can't be accepted as a success no matter the other circumstances.
If you can't win in a year like that, after your previous years have sucked, you probably deserve to get fired. If you can win, cool, they stick around for a few more years and we see what they can do with more talent added to the roster.
The cap space we have this year..Do you want to spend it all on players to fit this scheme? What if our next coach prefers a 3-4?
This staff is the only reason the Giants have had the limited success seen over the last 2-3 years.
The Giants are in transition due to a depleted roster (poor drafting, FA picks and injuries).
BBI has long chronicled the poor draft results form 08-12 and the recent change in draft results from 2013 to now.
Re-growing the teams talent is a work in progress that should see large strides next year.
Tom and the rest of the staff are the reasons for any success. Even the ST Coord (who is a long time BBI target for firing) is seeing improved results with more talented players on ST.
However, that story doesn't sell newsprint or generate internet hits and advertising revenue. Negative and scandals sell, That is what Ralph the jackass is selling.
Don't buy into it.
I agree
anything 8-8 and above they will stay
The Giants are 5-5 and so many here want to talk about the great job TC and staff have done with the injuries etc. yet, we seem to forget the losses to Dallas, Atlanta, New Orleans, New England where we had double digit leads in the fourth quarter. Our injuries didn't stop us from taking those leads. Our injuries didn't have anything to do with questionable uses of timeouts and poor clock management. In a division of crap we are the least stinky at the moment. BUT, had we played smart football (and that is something you would think would be our biggest advantage with such experience at the HC level) and smart game/clock management the Giants could be 2 or even 3 games up on the division.
That is the biggest issue right there. The team isn't being beaten down by other teams due to injuries and lack of talent, we have literally given away at least 2 and arguably 4 games this year. The only game we just didn't play well at all in is the Philly game. So you can't tell me that some of the problems we have this year are not directly tied to the coaching staff.
instead, because we have sucked the last few years we want to hang our hats on competing week in and week out. That is fine for some but you can't dismiss the facts of RV's argument even if you don't agree with the conclusion. It doesn't make someone a hater or bad fan if they feel like this season has been one marred with coaching issues at critical times.
I want the Gmen to make the playoffs and win but I also want this trend of making stupid decisions late in games to stop. I don't know who would be a good candidate to coach this team but I do know that missing the playoffs in a year when the division is so bad because we blew games via strategy and management can't be accepted as a success no matter the other circumstances.
Maybe Cromartie on defense. JPP hurt our defense on the 4th of July so how is that Reese's fault?
If the Giants miss the playoffs both Reese and TC are gone. New HC may keep offense and d dense if it is an internal promotion.
And while I share the read, the result upsets me, because I think Reese has been less than mediocre over his tenure, with arrogance to boot to deflect from years of poor judgments and assessments.
Also JPP and Beatty were lost before camp began and that hurt.
The OL would haven better with Peters at RT but it never came to pass.
The first thing he did before anything as a GM was cut Luke Petitgout, and not only did he cut him, he basically crushed him on the way out the door and tossed him in a trash can with his assessment of his talent. I just don't think he's particularly good at dealing with the media. The filter isn't there.
Coughlin's replacements are there: McAdoo & Spags. Since the Giants value continuity, removing Coughlin won't cost the Giants much.
Reese's replacement is harder to figure, and less likely to make a clear impact on the bottom line. Plus they often want to bring in their own coaches, so it would be a more disruptive process. Giants don't like that.
This staff is the only reason the Giants have had the limited success seen over the last 2-3 years.
The Giants are in transition due to a depleted roster (poor drafting, FA picks and injuries).
BBI has long chronicled the poor draft results form 08-12 and the recent change in draft results from 2013 to now.
Re-growing the teams talent is a work in progress that should see large strides next year.
Tom and the rest of the staff are the reasons for any success. Even the ST Coord (who is a long time BBI target for firing) is seeing improved results with more talented players on ST.
However, that story doesn't sell newsprint or generate internet hits and advertising revenue. Negative and scandals sell, That is what Ralph the jackass is selling.
Don't buy into it.
Exactly. The Giants are a well run organization. Ralph needs to cover the Redskins
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resse was arrogant and a little smug in his presser last week.
This guys been arrogant and smug since day one. It's a cover for being in way over his pay grade. Don't want TC gone but if it means Reese will go so be it.
I'm pretty sure Giants ownership does not agree with you and because the Giants are a class organization they will remain ind debt of the Reese/Coughlin/Manning era for providing 2 Superbowl championships.
Aka.. all 3 will be allowed to leave/retire from this organization how and when they choose to do so.
Not sure why you and other fans cant seem to grasp this.