NFL Network, ESPN, Sports Radio...ALL OF IT is seriously talking about how Dallas is about to win 7 in a row and win the division....there's literally more people saying this crazy shit than people even mentioning Giants chances to win it....
that people respected, then it would seem silly. But with Romo back, it's not out of the question. His return and the suckitude of the other teams fuels it. I don't think it will happen, but it's not hard to see where the talk comes from.
NYG will be 9-7 at worst. Dallas, if they win Thursday (and Mike Francessa said all week they would, if they beat Miami) is probably going 4-1 the rest of the way. Now, if they lose to Carolina like we all hope, then you can put a fork in them. Then they finish 7-9 with Philly.
Barely beat Miami, and now people are treating them like champs.. Dallas can't lose anymore games this season. And with these next few games, they might not get a win
or if any of the other plethora of Giants who have come up short is big spots throughout this year and this talk is not happening.
but Collins did drop the int, the defense did give up miles of yardage to New Orleans, the time management and turnovers against Dallas and Atlanta did happen and the Eagles slaughtered the team. Are all the issues behind this team? None of us know.
The mainstream media can convince the American public into believing whatever agenda brings them the best ratings (yes, we are that stupid as a country to listen to anything on the networks and that now includes sports)
The Cowboys are given a 0.4% chance of making the playoffs (credit to Seth for posting in another thread).
If you were to swap the Patriots in for the Cowboys at this stage of the season I'd still say they were unlikely to make it. Sports Club Stats - ( New Window )
Yep. Compare that to our 0.7% chance of winning the Super Bowl. This site says it's more likely we win the Super Bowl than Dallas makes the playoffs.
And the same people here accusing it of being a Cowboys media circus are guilty of the same behavior by dismissing it on a Giants message board.
They have the most talented roster in the division and just got their two best players back. Is it so outlandish to say they could go 5-1 and win the division at 8-8? The Giants have a very tough schedule the rest of the way.
Would I predict this happens? No. But it is certainly possible. The Redskins... THE REDSKINS... won the division 3 years ago after a 3-6 start. Stop crying about this and accept it. They're 2 out with 6 to play. They might find themselves in the hunt.
Mike, of course it is possible, but the media is blowing their chances way out of proportion.
The point is, put any team in their position...same position, same "talent", a team without a star on their helmet, and nobody gives them a shot in hell. That is my point.
Their "talent" is unproven, and overestimated imo. Again, star on the helmet so we assume they are great. I've been hearing about their talent all through the Romo era. What have they proven?
If anything Romo-era history tells us that they will piss away what little chance they have.
Speculation that Dallas could win the division is fine
It is not out of the question. But hype about them winning out is unfounded. Their play in the three games they played with Romo was not at a level to justify this kind of hype, and their string of losses in his absence was more than just the QB position.
Basically, it is typical giving Dallas every possible benefit of the doubt.
we've not heard a single person talk about Tennessee or Jacksonville winning their divisions, yet they would seemingly have as good a chance as the Cowboys, especially given how poor the Texans and Colts are.
Dallas is playing the best team in the NFC on a short week. Philly is going to Detroit who won its last 2 games and we go to DC to play the skins. If all breaks right, NYG could have a solid 2 game lead in the east with Dallas 3 games back.
Huge week and the media should be spinning this scenario but would rather blow Dallas and Jerry Jones.
was a "bonus" game because everyone else in the division except the Redskins lost. This week was a win for us on a bye because everyone but the Cowboys lost. If the Eagles and Cowboys lose Thursday, it becomes another "win".
RE: Speculation that Dallas could win the division is fine
It is not out of the question. But hype about them winning out is unfounded. Their play in the three games they played with Romo was not at a level to justify this kind of hype, and their string of losses in his absence was more than just the QB position.
Basically, it is typical giving Dallas every possible benefit of the doubt.
Agreed. Speculation is fun but has little bearing to Cowboys play.
I thought no both Philly and Dallas lose on Thursday and that will be that! We just have to take care of Washingon to fulfill our destination by!
The field goal was a gift by the Dolphins as was the pick six.
They really didn't look that good yesterday. Their running game was fine but that only is a weapon if you are not playing from behind.i think this is a big game for Carolina. National spot light.
I would be really surprised if Carolina doesn't make them look pretty ordinary. Offensive line aside.
or if any of the other plethora of Giants who have come up short is big spots throughout this year and this talk is not happening.
but Collins did drop the int, the defense did give up miles of yardage to New Orleans, the time management and turnovers against Dallas and Atlanta did happen and the Eagles slaughtered the team. Are all the issues behind this team? None of us know.
Right, the Giants have had many opportunities presented to them in big spots like you have illustrated and failed every time.. cash in on one or perhaps two of those opportunities and they could be shoving dirt on the rest of the division...
Not sure I agree with most things said in this thread.
Nobody in the NFC East has been consistent enough due to poor play and injuries to determine anything at this point.
"Likely" isn't going to just turn on with 6 games to go with any team.
The Eagles got their butts kicked yesterday but still have our number so don't tell me your confident if we have to go into the last game needing a win versus them.
The Cowboys still have a say in things as long as Romo is playing obviously, even with CAR and GB on their schedule.
The Redskins have the most divisional games left and those will actually determine a lot of how this division plays out.
Just nice we can talk about December being meaningful for a recent change...
Is they need all the other teams in the division to come up short as well. Hopefully they lose Thursday and all the talk ends. If they win the talk will become unbearable.
at all. The cowboys still have to play Carolina and GB - that game being in GB.
One more loss assures they can't finish better than .500.
They weren't a juggernaut before romo got hurt, lost every game with Romo hurt and now are supposedly invincible?
Fat Man,, you know this is good. We don't agree often but i bet here we do.. let em talk, let Dallas get this shit in their heads... and they will fail !
The belief in Dallas has to do with the other 3 teams in the division.
The media and fans don't believe that NY, Philadelphia, or Washington will be any better than 8-8. If one believes that 8-8 will win the division, than Dallas sitting 2 games off the pace with 6 to play is not eliminated.
If one believes the division can be won at 8-8 than Dallas doesn't have to win every game. The idea becomes even more plausible.
NY over the last 2 seasons hasn't even been a .500 team. This year NY is exactly .500. The media doesn't have the faith that NY will go on a run and win the division. They believe that NY will continue to be a .500 team and leave the division wide open for any team to win, including Dallas.
Like I said before, posters believe this is about Dallas. But it is not. It's about NY, Philadelphia, and Washington. No one, except for their perspective fan bases has any confidence in these teams.
The belief in Dallas has to do with the other 3 teams in the division.
The media and fans don't believe that NY, Philadelphia, or Washington will be any better than 8-8. If one believes that 8-8 will win the division, than Dallas sitting 2 games off the pace with 6 to play is not eliminated.
If one believes the division can be won at 8-8 than Dallas doesn't have to win every game. The idea becomes even more plausible.
NY over the last 2 seasons hasn't even been a .500 team. This year NY is exactly .500. The media doesn't have the faith that NY will go on a run and win the division. They believe that NY will continue to be a .500 team and leave the division wide open for any team to win, including Dallas.
Like I said before, posters believe this is about Dallas. But it is not. It's about NY, Philadelphia, and Washington. No one, except for their perspective fan bases has any confidence in these teams.
Dallas does have to win every game if Giants go 8-8
As long as Giants beat Redskins and Philly they hold the tie breaker...
for them to have a chance...Giants go 2-4 down the stretch and they only beat the Skins and Ealges...
and Cowboys go 4-2 and they lose to Panthers and Gb Giants still win the division because of common opponent would change from Panthers to Jets but Giants still beat the Bucs so they both have 1 win with common opponents...
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If the Giants don't win this division it's a colossal failure.
but Collins did drop the int, the defense did give up miles of yardage to New Orleans, the time management and turnovers against Dallas and Atlanta did happen and the Eagles slaughtered the team. Are all the issues behind this team? None of us know.
If you were to swap the Patriots in for the Cowboys at this stage of the season I'd still say they were unlikely to make it. Sports Club Stats - ( New Window )
Yep. Compare that to our 0.7% chance of winning the Super Bowl. This site says it's more likely we win the Super Bowl than Dallas makes the playoffs.
They have the most talented roster in the division and just got their two best players back. Is it so outlandish to say they could go 5-1 and win the division at 8-8? The Giants have a very tough schedule the rest of the way.
Would I predict this happens? No. But it is certainly possible. The Redskins... THE REDSKINS... won the division 3 years ago after a 3-6 start. Stop crying about this and accept it. They're 2 out with 6 to play. They might find themselves in the hunt.
Mike, of course it is possible, but the media is blowing their chances way out of proportion.
The point is, put any team in their position...same position, same "talent", a team without a star on their helmet, and nobody gives them a shot in hell. That is my point.
Their "talent" is unproven, and overestimated imo. Again, star on the helmet so we assume they are great. I've been hearing about their talent all through the Romo era. What have they proven?
If anything Romo-era history tells us that they will piss away what little chance they have.
Basically, it is typical giving Dallas every possible benefit of the doubt.
Huge week and the media should be spinning this scenario but would rather blow Dallas and Jerry Jones.
Basically, it is typical giving Dallas every possible benefit of the doubt.
I thought no both Philly and Dallas lose on Thursday and that will be that! We just have to take care of Washingon to fulfill our destination by!
I was looking at the standings today and realized Pete Rozelle finally got his wish of parity with 90% of the teams within close contact of 5-5
We just have to keep winning. If we cannot do that we don't deserve a playoff spot.
I think there was one team a few years ago which went 7-9 and went in to the dance. As I recall they won one playoff game but then fell back to earth
We really should be aiming at minimum 5-1 from here to the dance.
you cannot erase a loss
if you could our game last week should be a win, not a loss caused by some wank in a Secacus NJ studio
This is actually a pretty big game for Dallas. They get a chance to quickly ratchet up to fast wins with Romo back and be 1 back in the win column.
On the other hand, if Carolina beats them, they have a long road back with 8 losses to make the playoffs they probably have to win all 5 games.
This is actually a pretty big game for Dallas. They get a chance to quickly ratchet up to fast wins with Romo back and be 1 back in the win column.
On the other hand, if Carolina beats them, they have a long road back with 8 losses to make the playoffs they probably have to win all 5 games.
so you think 8-8 takes the division? I guess that's possible this year
They really didn't look that good yesterday. Their running game was fine but that only is a weapon if you are not playing from behind.i think this is a big game for Carolina. National spot light.
I would be really surprised if Carolina doesn't make them look pretty ordinary. Offensive line aside.
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or if any of the other plethora of Giants who have come up short is big spots throughout this year and this talk is not happening.
but Collins did drop the int, the defense did give up miles of yardage to New Orleans, the time management and turnovers against Dallas and Atlanta did happen and the Eagles slaughtered the team. Are all the issues behind this team? None of us know.
Right, the Giants have had many opportunities presented to them in big spots like you have illustrated and failed every time.. cash in on one or perhaps two of those opportunities and they could be shoving dirt on the rest of the division...
"Likely" isn't going to just turn on with 6 games to go with any team.
The Eagles got their butts kicked yesterday but still have our number so don't tell me your confident if we have to go into the last game needing a win versus them.
The Cowboys still have a say in things as long as Romo is playing obviously, even with CAR and GB on their schedule.
The Redskins have the most divisional games left and those will actually determine a lot of how this division plays out.
Just nice we can talk about December being meaningful for a recent change...
GO PANTHERS!!!
One more loss assures they can't finish better than .500.
They weren't a juggernaut before romo got hurt, lost every game with Romo hurt and now are supposedly invincible?
Fat Man,, you know this is good. We don't agree often but i bet here we do.. let em talk, let Dallas get this shit in their heads... and they will fail !
Its the Jerrah Effect !!!!
I am sure everyone at the league offices were pulling for the Fins to lose so that Dallas/Carolina game were be something to tune into on Thursday.
It's all about marketing.
BINGO
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and the NFL is trying to hype the game.
I am sure everyone at the league offices were pulling for the Fins to lose so that Dallas/Carolina game were be something to tune into on Thursday.
It's all about marketing.
BINGO
Could be a big reason the league called back our TD
They wanted to make Dallas on Thanksgiving relevant to any extent
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and the NFL is trying to hype the game.
I am sure everyone at the league offices were pulling for the Fins to lose so that Dallas/Carolina game were be something to tune into on Thursday.
It's all about marketing.
BINGO
And it always seems to affect Dallas performance...
The media and fans don't believe that NY, Philadelphia, or Washington will be any better than 8-8. If one believes that 8-8 will win the division, than Dallas sitting 2 games off the pace with 6 to play is not eliminated.
If one believes the division can be won at 8-8 than Dallas doesn't have to win every game. The idea becomes even more plausible.
NY over the last 2 seasons hasn't even been a .500 team. This year NY is exactly .500. The media doesn't have the faith that NY will go on a run and win the division. They believe that NY will continue to be a .500 team and leave the division wide open for any team to win, including Dallas.
Like I said before, posters believe this is about Dallas. But it is not. It's about NY, Philadelphia, and Washington. No one, except for their perspective fan bases has any confidence in these teams.
Dalls has to go 5-1 just to tie the Giants...so say they go 5-1 and they lose to GB on road...their division record is 4-2
So then it goes to conference record..Best Cowboys can do is 5-6 in the conference
Giants:Say Giants beat redskins and Philly that means they are at 6 wins in the confrence and win that tie breaker...
So again Dallas has to go 6-0 rest of the way even if Giants go 8-8
The media and fans don't believe that NY, Philadelphia, or Washington will be any better than 8-8. If one believes that 8-8 will win the division, than Dallas sitting 2 games off the pace with 6 to play is not eliminated.
If one believes the division can be won at 8-8 than Dallas doesn't have to win every game. The idea becomes even more plausible.
NY over the last 2 seasons hasn't even been a .500 team. This year NY is exactly .500. The media doesn't have the faith that NY will go on a run and win the division. They believe that NY will continue to be a .500 team and leave the division wide open for any team to win, including Dallas.
Like I said before, posters believe this is about Dallas. But it is not. It's about NY, Philadelphia, and Washington. No one, except for their perspective fan bases has any confidence in these teams.
Dallas does have to win every game if Giants go 8-8
As long as Giants beat Redskins and Philly they hold the tie breaker...
How do they have tie breaker in common opponents both only have 1 win in common opponents with cowboys beating Philly and Giants beating Tampa...
so say Cowboys go 5-1 and they lose to GB....
They would of beaten Panthers, Skins, jets, Skins, Bills...
Giants go 3-3 and they beat Skins and Eagles, that would cancel the Cowboys Philly win...Skins would also cancel out. and say Giants beat Jets
cowboys would have the Panthers win...Giants would have Tampa win...
So then it goes to Conference
It will get out of control and we'll be lucky if we survive it.
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If Dallas and NY are tied in the division, Dallas has the tiebreaker in common opponents. I could be wrong, but I thought that was the case.
How do they have tie breaker in common opponents both only have 1 win in common opponents with cowboys beating Philly and Giants beating Tampa...
so say Cowboys go 5-1 and they lose to GB....
They would of beaten Panthers, Skins, jets, Skins, Bills...
Giants go 3-3 and they beat Skins and Eagles, that would cancel the Cowboys Philly win...Skins would also cancel out. and say Giants beat Jets
cowboys would have the Panthers win...Giants would have Tampa win...
So then it goes to Conference
That's what I read, Dallas had tiebreaker in common opponents.
That was before this week was played. With 6 games left it probably will change from week to week.
If the Giants beat the Skins and Jets there is no way for the Cowboys to have the common opponent Tie breaker...
You keep harping on how the Cowboys are still alive yet you keep ignoring the basic math of it...
Giants beat Skins and Jets this week, and then get 1 more win, Cowboys are finished mathematically..
and Cowboys go 4-2 and they lose to Panthers and Gb Giants still win the division because of common opponent would change from Panthers to Jets but Giants still beat the Bucs so they both have 1 win with common opponents...
you do know every single game outside of 1 was extremely close right? all of this without their top 5 qb.
Run the ball on 3rd down. If you get a TD, game over. If you get a FG the cowboys don't have enough time to drive for a TD. Doubtful anyway.
6-4 and we'd have too good of a lead to falter almost.