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Cowboys Winning NFC East talk is out of control

SicilianGMEN : 11/23/2015 8:33 am
NFL Network, ESPN, Sports Radio...ALL OF IT is seriously talking about how Dallas is about to win 7 in a row and win the division....there's literally more people saying this crazy shit than people even mentioning Giants chances to win it....
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If there were any other team in the division....  
Crispino : 11/23/2015 9:12 am : link
that people respected, then it would seem silly. But with Romo back, it's not out of the question. His return and the suckitude of the other teams fuels it. I don't think it will happen, but it's not hard to see where the talk comes from.
Mike  
UberAlias : 11/23/2015 9:16 am : link
That is a different point than the one you made before. Before you said two best players. Now you are reducing your argument to one player.
This concerns me more.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 11/23/2015 9:16 am : link
Giants 3-8 coming off a bye week.
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It really doesn't matter...  
BamaBlue : 11/23/2015 9:20 am : link
the Giants have full control of their destiny. The Cowboys talk would be absurd if the Giants were playing anything close to good.
Dallas is probably going to finish a game short  
The_Boss : 11/23/2015 9:23 am : link
NYG will be 9-7 at worst. Dallas, if they win Thursday (and Mike Francessa said all week they would, if they beat Miami) is probably going 4-1 the rest of the way. Now, if they lose to Carolina like we all hope, then you can put a fork in them. Then they finish 7-9 with Philly.
it's hard not to consider it  
Ron Johnson : 11/23/2015 9:24 am : link
after the Philly and Wash played yesterday.

If the Giants don't win this division it's a colossal failure.
They  
Arcanum : 11/23/2015 9:24 am : link
Barely beat Miami, and now people are treating them like champs.. Dallas can't lose anymore games this season. And with these next few games, they might not get a win
I wouldn't bet on the Cowboys winning their two  
BurlyMan : 11/23/2015 9:26 am : link
games against the Redskins.

If Collins makes that interception.....  
Chef : 11/23/2015 9:27 am : link
or if any of the other plethora of Giants who have come up short is big spots throughout this year and this talk is not happening.
it's merica's team  
micky : 11/23/2015 9:28 am : link
What do you expect?
The haven't won shit in 20 years  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 11/23/2015 9:29 am : link
yet the media still sucks that team off every year. Yawn...
RE: If Collins makes that interception.....  
Giants2012 : 11/23/2015 9:36 am : link
In comment 12639845 Chef said:
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or if any of the other plethora of Giants who have come up short is big spots throughout this year and this talk is not happening.


but Collins did drop the int, the defense did give up miles of yardage to New Orleans, the time management and turnovers against Dallas and Atlanta did happen and the Eagles slaughtered the team. Are all the issues behind this team? None of us know.
And Hillary Clinton will be the next president.  
silverfox : 11/23/2015 9:36 am : link
The mainstream media can convince the American public into believing whatever agenda brings them the best ratings (yes, we are that stupid as a country to listen to anything on the networks and that now includes sports)

RE: ....  
Bramton1 : 11/23/2015 9:36 am : link
In comment 12639767 BrettNYG10 said:
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The Cowboys are given a 0.4% chance of making the playoffs (credit to Seth for posting in another thread).

If you were to swap the Patriots in for the Cowboys at this stage of the season I'd still say they were unlikely to make it. Sports Club Stats - ( New Window )


Yep. Compare that to our 0.7% chance of winning the Super Bowl. This site says it's more likely we win the Super Bowl than Dallas makes the playoffs.
RE: I don't think it's all that unreasonable.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/23/2015 9:36 am : link
In comment 12639770 Mike in Long Beach said:
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And the same people here accusing it of being a Cowboys media circus are guilty of the same behavior by dismissing it on a Giants message board.

They have the most talented roster in the division and just got their two best players back. Is it so outlandish to say they could go 5-1 and win the division at 8-8? The Giants have a very tough schedule the rest of the way.

Would I predict this happens? No. But it is certainly possible. The Redskins... THE REDSKINS... won the division 3 years ago after a 3-6 start. Stop crying about this and accept it. They're 2 out with 6 to play. They might find themselves in the hunt.



Mike, of course it is possible, but the media is blowing their chances way out of proportion.

The point is, put any team in their position...same position, same "talent", a team without a star on their helmet, and nobody gives them a shot in hell. That is my point.

Their "talent" is unproven, and overestimated imo. Again, star on the helmet so we assume they are great. I've been hearing about their talent all through the Romo era. What have they proven?

If anything Romo-era history tells us that they will piss away what little chance they have.
Speculation that Dallas could win the division is fine  
UberAlias : 11/23/2015 9:37 am : link
It is not out of the question. But hype about them winning out is unfounded. Their play in the three games they played with Romo was not at a level to justify this kind of hype, and their string of losses in his absence was more than just the QB position.

Basically, it is typical giving Dallas every possible benefit of the doubt.
To put it in perspective..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2015 9:40 am : link
we've not heard a single person talk about Tennessee or Jacksonville winning their divisions, yet they would seemingly have as good a chance as the Cowboys, especially given how poor the Texans and Colts are.
If it bleeds (or the cowboys) it leads.  
GiantsUA : 11/23/2015 9:44 am : link
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This is a big week for the Giants  
Rjanyg : 11/23/2015 9:52 am : link
Dallas is playing the best team in the NFC on a short week. Philly is going to Detroit who won its last 2 games and we go to DC to play the skins. If all breaks right, NYG could have a solid 2 game lead in the east with Dallas 3 games back.

Huge week and the media should be spinning this scenario but would rather blow Dallas and Jerry Jones.
Last week..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2015 9:53 am : link
was a "bonus" game because everyone else in the division except the Redskins lost. This week was a win for us on a bye because everyone but the Cowboys lost. If the Eagles and Cowboys lose Thursday, it becomes another "win".
RE: Speculation that Dallas could win the division is fine  
SGMen : 11/23/2015 9:55 am : link
In comment 12639871 UberAlias said:
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It is not out of the question. But hype about them winning out is unfounded. Their play in the three games they played with Romo was not at a level to justify this kind of hype, and their string of losses in his absence was more than just the QB position.

Basically, it is typical giving Dallas every possible benefit of the doubt.
Agreed. Speculation is fun but has little bearing to Cowboys play.

I thought no both Philly and Dallas lose on Thursday and that will be that! We just have to take care of Washingon to fulfill our destination by!
The good part  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/23/2015 9:55 am : link
is that it's going to be hilarious watching the Panthers throttle them on national television.
Im less worried about Dallas winning out  
EVERY4YEARS : 11/23/2015 9:57 am : link
Than I am about us being only 2 up in the loss column with 6 games to go. Everyone of which has the possibility to beat us.

I was looking at the standings today and realized Pete Rozelle finally got his wish of parity with 90% of the teams within close contact of 5-5

We just have to keep winning. If we cannot do that we don't deserve a playoff spot.

I think there was one team a few years ago which went 7-9 and went in to the dance. As I recall they won one playoff game but then fell back to earth

We really should be aiming at minimum 5-1 from here to the dance.
At 10-6 thecowboys cannot catch us  
EVERY4YEARS : 11/23/2015 10:05 am : link
end of story

you cannot erase a loss

if you could our game last week should be a win, not a loss caused by some wank in a Secacus NJ studio
Cowboys usually win on Thanksgiving  
DavidinBMNY : 11/23/2015 10:07 am : link
But it's often against inferior teams. They've had much more difficulty against the East and stronger opponents.

This is actually a pretty big game for Dallas. They get a chance to quickly ratchet up to fast wins with Romo back and be 1 back in the win column.

On the other hand, if Carolina beats them, they have a long road back with 8 losses to make the playoffs they probably have to win all 5 games.
RE: Cowboys usually win on Thanksgiving  
EVERY4YEARS : 11/23/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12639949 DavidinBMNY said:
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But it's often against inferior teams. They've had much more difficulty against the East and stronger opponents.

This is actually a pretty big game for Dallas. They get a chance to quickly ratchet up to fast wins with Romo back and be 1 back in the win column.

On the other hand, if Carolina beats them, they have a long road back with 8 losses to make the playoffs they probably have to win all 5 games.


so you think 8-8 takes the division? I guess that's possible this year
Dallas basically scored 14 offensive points yesterday  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/23/2015 10:21 am : link
The field goal was a gift by the Dolphins as was the pick six.

They really didn't look that good yesterday. Their running game was fine but that only is a weapon if you are not playing from behind.i think this is a big game for Carolina. National spot light.

I would be really surprised if Carolina doesn't make them look pretty ordinary. Offensive line aside.
RE: RE: If Collins makes that interception.....  
Chef : 11/23/2015 11:05 am : link
In comment 12639867 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12639845 Chef said:


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or if any of the other plethora of Giants who have come up short is big spots throughout this year and this talk is not happening.



but Collins did drop the int, the defense did give up miles of yardage to New Orleans, the time management and turnovers against Dallas and Atlanta did happen and the Eagles slaughtered the team. Are all the issues behind this team? None of us know.


Right, the Giants have had many opportunities presented to them in big spots like you have illustrated and failed every time.. cash in on one or perhaps two of those opportunities and they could be shoving dirt on the rest of the division...
Not sure I agree with most things said in this thread.  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2015 11:19 am : link
Nobody in the NFC East has been consistent enough due to poor play and injuries to determine anything at this point.

"Likely" isn't going to just turn on with 6 games to go with any team.

The Eagles got their butts kicked yesterday but still have our number so don't tell me your confident if we have to go into the last game needing a win versus them.

The Cowboys still have a say in things as long as Romo is playing obviously, even with CAR and GB on their schedule.

The Redskins have the most divisional games left and those will actually determine a lot of how this division plays out.

Just nice we can talk about December being meaningful for a recent change...



The problem with facing Dallas  
AnnapolisMike : 11/23/2015 11:23 am : link
Is they need all the other teams in the division to come up short as well. Hopefully they lose Thursday and all the talk ends. If they win the talk will become unbearable.
Panthers can make 90% of Americans  
mrvax : 11/23/2015 11:39 am : link
happy on Thanksgiving. There will be no pleasing the other 10% shitheads.

GO PANTHERS!!!
RE: I haven't understood it..  
shabu : 11/23/2015 11:51 am : link
In comment 12639742 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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at all. The cowboys still have to play Carolina and GB - that game being in GB.

One more loss assures they can't finish better than .500.

They weren't a juggernaut before romo got hurt, lost every game with Romo hurt and now are supposedly invincible?


Fat Man,, you know this is good. We don't agree often but i bet here we do.. let em talk, let Dallas get this shit in their heads... and they will fail !

Its the Jerrah Effect !!!!
RE: The Cowboys are playing on Thanksgiving  
rebel yell : 11/23/2015 12:12 pm : link
In comment 12639749 JohnB said:
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and the NFL is trying to hype the game.

I am sure everyone at the league offices were pulling for the Fins to lose so that Dallas/Carolina game were be something to tune into on Thursday.

It's all about marketing.

BINGO
RE: RE: The Cowboys are playing on Thanksgiving  
EVERY4YEARS : 11/23/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12640247 rebel yell said:
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In comment 12639749 JohnB said:


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and the NFL is trying to hype the game.

I am sure everyone at the league offices were pulling for the Fins to lose so that Dallas/Carolina game were be something to tune into on Thursday.

It's all about marketing.


BINGO


Could be a big reason the league called back our TD
They wanted to make Dallas on Thanksgiving relevant to any extent
RE: RE: The Cowboys are playing on Thanksgiving  
shabu : 11/23/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12640247 rebel yell said:
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In comment 12639749 JohnB said:


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and the NFL is trying to hype the game.

I am sure everyone at the league offices were pulling for the Fins to lose so that Dallas/Carolina game were be something to tune into on Thursday.

It's all about marketing.


BINGO


And it always seems to affect Dallas performance...
I've said this on other threads  
fanatic II : 11/23/2015 12:35 pm : link
The belief in Dallas has to do with the other 3 teams in the division.

The media and fans don't believe that NY, Philadelphia, or Washington will be any better than 8-8. If one believes that 8-8 will win the division, than Dallas sitting 2 games off the pace with 6 to play is not eliminated.

If one believes the division can be won at 8-8 than Dallas doesn't have to win every game. The idea becomes even more plausible.

NY over the last 2 seasons hasn't even been a .500 team. This year NY is exactly .500. The media doesn't have the faith that NY will go on a run and win the division. They believe that NY will continue to be a .500 team and leave the division wide open for any team to win, including Dallas.

Like I said before, posters believe this is about Dallas. But it is not. It's about NY, Philadelphia, and Washington. No one, except for their perspective fan bases has any confidence in these teams.
you have said things on too many threads  
djm : 11/23/2015 12:41 pm : link
but thanks for fighting the good fight.
Say the Giants are 8-8  
nygiants16 : 11/23/2015 12:42 pm : link
and they beat both Eagles and Redskins that makes their division record 4-2

Dalls has to go 5-1 just to tie the Giants...so say they go 5-1 and they lose to GB on road...their division record is 4-2

So then it goes to conference record..Best Cowboys can do is 5-6 in the conference

Giants:Say Giants beat redskins and Philly that means they are at 6 wins in the confrence and win that tie breaker...

So again Dallas has to go 6-0 rest of the way even if Giants go 8-8
RE: I've said this on other threads  
nygiants16 : 11/23/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12640328 fanatic II said:
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The belief in Dallas has to do with the other 3 teams in the division.

The media and fans don't believe that NY, Philadelphia, or Washington will be any better than 8-8. If one believes that 8-8 will win the division, than Dallas sitting 2 games off the pace with 6 to play is not eliminated.

If one believes the division can be won at 8-8 than Dallas doesn't have to win every game. The idea becomes even more plausible.

NY over the last 2 seasons hasn't even been a .500 team. This year NY is exactly .500. The media doesn't have the faith that NY will go on a run and win the division. They believe that NY will continue to be a .500 team and leave the division wide open for any team to win, including Dallas.

Like I said before, posters believe this is about Dallas. But it is not. It's about NY, Philadelphia, and Washington. No one, except for their perspective fan bases has any confidence in these teams.


Dallas does have to win every game if Giants go 8-8

As long as Giants beat Redskins and Philly they hold the tie breaker...
I saw on another thread  
fanatic II : 11/23/2015 12:49 pm : link
If Dallas and NY are tied in the division, Dallas has the tiebreaker in common opponents. I could be wrong, but I thought that was the case.
RE: I saw on another thread  
nygiants16 : 11/23/2015 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12640367 fanatic II said:
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If Dallas and NY are tied in the division, Dallas has the tiebreaker in common opponents. I could be wrong, but I thought that was the case.


How do they have tie breaker in common opponents both only have 1 win in common opponents with cowboys beating Philly and Giants beating Tampa...

so say Cowboys go 5-1 and they lose to GB....

They would of beaten Panthers, Skins, jets, Skins, Bills...

Giants go 3-3 and they beat Skins and Eagles, that would cancel the Cowboys Philly win...Skins would also cancel out. and say Giants beat Jets

cowboys would have the Panthers win...Giants would have Tampa win...

So then it goes to Conference
This business will get out of control  
njm : 11/23/2015 12:58 pm : link



It will get out of control and we'll be lucky if we survive it.
So again you are wrong  
nygiants16 : 11/23/2015 12:59 pm : link
..
RE: RE: I saw on another thread  
fanatic II : 11/23/2015 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12640396 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12640367 fanatic II said:


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If Dallas and NY are tied in the division, Dallas has the tiebreaker in common opponents. I could be wrong, but I thought that was the case.



How do they have tie breaker in common opponents both only have 1 win in common opponents with cowboys beating Philly and Giants beating Tampa...

so say Cowboys go 5-1 and they lose to GB....

They would of beaten Panthers, Skins, jets, Skins, Bills...

Giants go 3-3 and they beat Skins and Eagles, that would cancel the Cowboys Philly win...Skins would also cancel out. and say Giants beat Jets

cowboys would have the Panthers win...Giants would have Tampa win...

So then it goes to Conference


That's what I read, Dallas had tiebreaker in common opponents.

That was before this week was played. With 6 games left it probably will change from week to week.
The only way the Cowboys will have a tie breaker  
nygiants16 : 11/23/2015 1:11 pm : link
is if the Giants lose to the Ealges and by then it may not matter....

If the Giants beat the Skins and Jets there is no way for the Cowboys to have the common opponent Tie breaker...

You keep harping on how the Cowboys are still alive yet you keep ignoring the basic math of it...

Giants beat Skins and Jets this week, and then get 1 more win, Cowboys are finished mathematically..
Dallas basically needs a Giants implosion  
nygiants16 : 11/23/2015 1:16 pm : link
for them to have a chance...Giants go 2-4 down the stretch and they only beat the Skins and Ealges...

and Cowboys go 4-2 and they lose to Panthers and Gb Giants still win the division because of common opponent would change from Panthers to Jets but Giants still beat the Bucs so they both have 1 win with common opponents...

If Giants go 1-5  
nygiants16 : 11/23/2015 1:19 pm : link
and they only beat the Skins, Cowboys still need to go 4-2 to win the division...

After this weekend the Giants will have  
PatersonPlank : 11/23/2015 1:29 pm : link
A 2 game lead on Philly and Wash, and a 3 game lead on the Cowgirls. Plus they will be 3-2 in the division.
RE: It is out of control  
zeroburrito : 11/25/2015 10:09 pm : link
In comment 12639737 UberAlias said:
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I guess people have not watched Dallas play this year. They are not very good.


you do know every single game outside of 1 was extremely close right? all of this without their top 5 qb.
Of our five losses, the one I wish we won  
SGMen : 11/25/2015 11:31 pm : link
vs Dallas opening day.

Run the ball on 3rd down. If you get a TD, game over. If you get a FG the cowboys don't have enough time to drive for a TD. Doubtful anyway.

6-4 and we'd have too good of a lead to falter almost.

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