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Pugh in concussion portocol

nygiants16 : 11/23/2015 12:06 pm
Giants said Headaches persisted over weekend
That sucks  
SGMen : 11/23/2015 12:12 pm : link
Prayers for a return to health.

Must be bad to persist.
That's not good  
jcn56 : 11/23/2015 12:13 pm : link
Hope he's feeling better soon.
It could be from  
mrvax : 11/23/2015 12:20 pm : link
a severe lack of gluten.


Damn. I hope he's OK.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2015 12:22 pm : link
Giants doctors said last week it was dehydration.
amputation is not an option  
djm : 11/23/2015 12:24 pm : link
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I swear  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2015 12:25 pm : link
once again, we come back from a break more injured?
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Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2015 12:27 pm : link
In comment 12640281 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants doctors said last week it was dehydration.


Yes, they started with that same diagnosis on Beatty, Cruz, Beason and a few others as well...
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Victor in CT : 11/23/2015 12:27 pm : link
In comment 12640281 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants doctors said last week it was dehydration.


another on the mark evaluation.
Our doctors  
Carl in CT : 11/23/2015 12:32 pm : link
Strike again!
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spike : 11/23/2015 12:34 pm : link
In comment 12640281 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants doctors said last week it was dehydration.


Dangerous. He would have played last Sunday if it werent for the bye.

Quacks
strange...  
grizz299 : 11/23/2015 12:34 pm : link
The best conditioned athletes in the world, in their twenties and the best medical staff and trainers.

And the defense plays for some forty plays over three hours and each play lasts say twenty seconds average...that's forty times 20 / 60 seconds.

Or 13 minutes tops because I think the 20 seconds per play is high.

So 13 minutes over three hours and THEY HAVE TO BE ROTATED. No, assuming my math is decent, that's pretty wacky and testimony to how violent the sport is.
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BigBlueinChicago : 11/23/2015 12:49 pm : link
In comment 12640281 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants doctors said last week it was dehydration.


I called BS on the Giants story when they first mentioned "illness" when the inactive list came out last Sunday.

Knowing our luck, he probably won't be on the field another game this season.
Scary.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/23/2015 12:50 pm : link
Feel bad for our players with this staff.
Under the protocol don't they get an independent evaluation?  
jcn56 : 11/23/2015 12:55 pm : link
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Pugh in concussion portocol last week  
JonC : 11/23/2015 12:56 pm : link
it seemed apparent dehydration was a red herring.
I thought Giants doctors  
B in ALB : 11/23/2015 1:03 pm : link
said it was a calf injury?
post-concussion syndrome is difficult to diagnose  
Vanzetti : 11/23/2015 1:16 pm : link
You have to rely on patient's description of symptoms and the symptoms are mostly things, such as headaches and lightheadedness, that can also be caused by anxiety, dehydration, and a number of other things.

There are physical signs of dehydration that register in the blood. So, Pugh may very well have had one. Also, if you have ever had a serious concussion, you know how much of a factor anxiety can be.

So, I don't know if this is a case where we can ding the Giants doctors.



Sit him  
EVERY4YEARS : 11/23/2015 1:21 pm : link
we don't need him to beat the Skins

Concussions are bad news
2+ weeks now?  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/23/2015 1:21 pm : link
Seriously? This is a lineman this isn't 160 pound desean Jackson getting destroyed going across the middle. Like others have said I wouldn't be surprised if he's out for an extended period. The Giants injury list over the years is truly something out of a movie - car accidents, spinal issues, gun shot wounds, fireworks accidents, the best group of wideouts they ever had all never the same after injury (nicks manningham smith cruz). You could write a novel off the injury issues with this franchise.
Weird  
SimpleMan : 11/23/2015 1:25 pm : link
If I remember correctly, there were reports that he was in concussion protocol before the Patriots game. Then we heard he had an illness, and now its back to protocol?
RE: 2+ weeks now?  
dpinzow : 11/23/2015 1:39 pm : link
In comment 12640461 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Seriously? This is a lineman this isn't 160 pound desean Jackson getting destroyed going across the middle. Like others have said I wouldn't be surprised if he's out for an extended period. The Giants injury list over the years is truly something out of a movie - car accidents, spinal issues, gun shot wounds, fireworks accidents, the best group of wideouts they ever had all never the same after injury (nicks manningham smith cruz). You could write a novel off the injury issues with this franchise.


Really bad concussions can force players out for most of a season and the worst even end careers...don't fool with them
I gather MMA plays a significant role in Pugh's training regimen...  
Torrag : 11/23/2015 1:53 pm : link
...he might want to rethink that going forward. Absorbing repeated head trauma is to be avoided if you have a concussion history. The data surfacing on this issue is scary.
RE: I gather MMA plays a significant role in Pugh's training regimen...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/23/2015 2:01 pm : link
In comment 12640556 Torrag said:
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...he might want to rethink that going forward. Absorbing repeated head trauma is to be avoided if you have a concussion history. The data surfacing on this issue is scary.


Even if he does MMA train, I doubt he's ACTUALLY fighting or taking blows to the head. Even Sparring, you don't do that. And there's lots of padding and gloves and head gear.

He'd have to literally be having MMA matches in his free time to be taking shots to the head.
TTH not true  
Torrag : 11/23/2015 2:04 pm : link
Even well padded mild repetitive blows to the skull can have serious negative effects according to the latest science. When you factor in the contact he absorbs in the NFL and his concussion history he would be wise to avoid any unnecessary contact.
With Giants Medical Staff, Pugh's Going To Be The Guy On The Right  
Trainmaster : 11/23/2015 2:09 pm : link
Maybe if his arms  
phil in arizona : 11/23/2015 2:12 pm : link
were longer he could block the blows to the head better.
I didn't make my point very well  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/23/2015 2:13 pm : link
but I don't know many people in MMA or boxing who take blows to the head in practice sessions. Unless you're a serious prize fighter.

I would be absolutely shocked if Pugh went at it like that. You can be into MMA training without full contact fighting.

Jay Glazer runs an MMA training program for NFL athletes, but they don't hit. It's physical fitness training, not full contact.

If the Giants discovered Pugh was fighting in his free time, I'd imagine that would be a contract issue.
this would be the way to go and...  
Torrag : 11/23/2015 2:30 pm : link
...hopefully he is aware and taking this approach.

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TTH...Jay Glazer runs an MMA training program for NFL athletes, but they don't hit. It's physical fitness training, not full contact.
It is sickening  
PaulN : 11/23/2015 3:06 pm : link
How bad this medical and training staff is. Yet nothing is done year after year, the same old cover-up and deny bullshit every year. I put this on the owners 100%, they are in the position to be able to evaluate it and correct it and choose to do nothing but tell us they have the best.

How many years in a row does it take to lead the league in games missed by players before they do anything, I don't think they will do anything no matter what happens, if they do then they admit they made a mistake, and it has become obvious that they choose to look good rather then correct the problem, and probably don't have a clue on how to correct it either, so just deny and do nothing, eventually they think it must change and yet it doesn't.

I am sick and tired of discussing this topic because It does not change a thing and only adds to our frustration. This will be the third year in a row we lead the league, so if by years end we are 28th, or if we do lead the league but then next season we finish 23rd, then they can say we are improving, isn't it a pleasant thought.
maybe  
Les in TO : 11/23/2015 4:57 pm : link
pugh can get an independently sourced second medical opinion.
can someone provide one ounce of proof  
djm : 11/23/2015 4:58 pm : link
that the NYG medical staff is doing a bad job here? Any shred of proof other than some dude getting hurt. Thanks.
RE: can someone provide one ounce of proof  
Les in TO : 11/23/2015 5:26 pm : link
In comment 12640990 djm said:
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that the NYG medical staff is doing a bad job here? Any shred of proof other than some dude getting hurt. Thanks.
I think with beatty, beason, behre, cruz, fells, prince (2-4 weeks) and countless other examples, there is just a very low level of trust with the medical staff, both in terms of diagnosis and prognosis.
so have mine.  
mattlawson : 11/23/2015 5:34 pm : link
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Matt M. : 11/23/2015 6:31 pm : link
In comment 12640281 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants doctors said last week it was dehydration.
Did they lie or F this up?
Linemen have it the worst (according to a Harvard study)...  
Milton : 11/23/2015 7:51 pm : link
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In the trenches, the hazards are less obvious but, perhaps, even more prevalent. Offensive linemen engage with an opponent on pretty much every play—when they don’t, it usually means they’re not doing their job.

“We’re backpedaling while someone is coming at us full speed,” Giants right tackle Justin Pugh says. “You use your technique, you try to use your hands as much as possible, but obviously the head gets put into that, and there is a lot of hand-slapping [against the helmet]. A lot of stuff goes on in the trenches you can’t get penalized for, and probably a lot of guys get hit or hurt.”

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