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The remaining schedule...we could easily win all

That’s Gold, Jerry : 11/23/2015 1:35 pm
six games or we could just as easily lose all six games.

I don't see anyone on our remaining sked that I am scared of yet I know we could just as easily lose each game. Frankly, I think 8-8 wins the division although I would like to see us win as many as we can. The team to fear is Dallas, with Romo back. They need to run the table and, at worst, can afford one loss.

But, getting back to my original point, if we played Carolina in Carolina that would concern me but playing them here at home, in December, is an advantage for us.

Washington at home, as Eric pointed out, is a different team but they are one of those teams we seem to play well against and no question we seem to have Kirk Cousins' number. Watched Minny yesterday and was not impressed and they were at home. You stop Pederson and they don't have much after that. The Jets seem to be following their pattern of starting off good and then falling back to the pack or worse. Realistically, they do not have a quarterback and eventually that kills you. And Miami is another team that is easily beatable. I can't believe they gave all that money to Tannehill although I know most of it is not guaranteed.

Lastly, Philly...a team we should beat but a team that seems to play well against us, as we do against Washington. So who knows there really...might well depend on the situation at that time.

To sum up...reasons to be positive but just as many to be pessimistic. I am anxious to see if Nicks can have an impact...something inside tells me he has something to prove but don't quote me on that.
Why is this?  
ron mexico : 11/23/2015 1:37 pm : link
For a game in the north east in december, I rather have the team with the great defence and the stout running game and that for sure isn't us

"But, getting back to my original point, if we played Carolina in Carolina that would concern me but playing them here at home, in December, is an advantage for us. "
they could easily lose them all too. One game at a time.  
Victor in CT : 11/23/2015 1:38 pm : link
This is not '86 or '90.
Nicks is our 4th wide-out and has to learn the offense  
SGMen : 11/23/2015 1:41 pm : link
It would be great to see him perform but not sure how viable that is.

Giants must win on Sunday vs Washington. Just stay healthy. Things will take care of themselves.
Since TC has been here  
robbieballs2003 : 11/23/2015 1:45 pm : link
How many games have we won easily?
We could also easily lose several...  
Torrag : 11/23/2015 1:49 pm : link
...Four wins including Week 17 and we're in. Gitter done.
So,  
Gman11 : 11/23/2015 1:57 pm : link
You start a thread just to say that you have no idea what's going to happen. Are you related to the Every4years guy?
Carolina and Minny are probably losses  
jeff57 : 11/23/2015 1:58 pm : link
The other 4 are winnable.
Me definition of the word 'easily'...  
BamaBlue : 11/23/2015 1:59 pm : link
is obviously much different. This is the same Giants team with the F-Troop Defense.
When I see a post  
Giants : 11/23/2015 2:05 pm : link
like this. I always remember who posted it. Really, I'm not saying I'm just saying
Good luck with that. Hope your comfortable with 8-8  
x meadowlander : 11/23/2015 2:06 pm : link
4-2 would match Coughlin's best Giants finish... ever.

Coughlin Giants, final 6 games regular season, by season:

2014: 3-3
2013: 3-3
2012: 3-3
2011: 3-3
2010: 4-2
2009: 2-4
2008: 3-3
2007: 3-3
2006: 2-4
2005: 4-2
2004: 1-5
Giants may make it... but as 8-8...  
x meadowlander : 11/23/2015 2:08 pm : link
...and history says the Eagles will win that last game, so pray Philly keeps losing - they're gonna have the tiebreaker.
Gman  
grizz299 : 11/23/2015 2:33 pm : link
Don't see anything wrong with the OP's premise. What I see that's wrong is lizard brains who have to jump everyone else.
Prediction  
x meadowlander : 11/23/2015 2:42 pm : link
Giants lose enough games to force us all to give up hope.

Back into playoffs.

Run table.

Beat Brady again on last Superbowl drive, keyed by HUGE Manning completion.

Giants can win the next 3  
ANGPASS : 11/23/2015 2:46 pm : link
and everyone else in our division could lose 2 out of 3. If the giants win the next three, I would think they would have a 95% chance of winning it all. This is a huge weekend. If carolina beats the cowboys and eagles lose to the lions and we beat the redskins, We will be in great shape. The remaining two AFC east teams are not that good. Redskins would be pretty much be eliminated. Dallas still has Green bay at green bay. And the Eagles still have the patriots. The giants have the panthers and minni who are the hardest remaining teams. Giants should win this.
IMO 8 and 8 wins the division  
Reale01 : 11/23/2015 2:53 pm : link
If we beat Philly and Washington. We just need one more win. This week is critical. Especially if Carolina beats Dallas and we beat Washington.

I actually expect Dallas will win, but they will lose at least one more.
I'm wondering if league doesn't want Dallas "in the hunt"  
SGMen : 11/23/2015 2:56 pm : link
Until the bitter end?
RE: I'm wondering if league doesn't want Dallas  
NYG007 : 11/23/2015 3:01 pm : link
In comment 12640712 SGMen said:
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Until the bitter end?


100% they do. I couldnt watch NFL network all week because of that smiling jack idiot being back at qb for them. Pretty sure I saw breaking news that he drank out of a red starbucks cup
One at a time  
AnnapolisMike : 11/23/2015 3:03 pm : link
Starting with Washington. I think we will get a good feel this weekend how it is going to shake out. My prediction is that the Giants will be sitting at 6-5, Philly at 5-6, Washington at 4-7 and Dallas at 3-8.

But I do agree that the next three are the most winnable left on the schedule. Minny is not as good as people think and I would be shocked if Carolina goes unbeaten.
That's why  
Doomster : 11/23/2015 3:07 pm : link
they play the games....
RE: Giants may make it... but as 8-8...  
Stu11 : 11/23/2015 3:10 pm : link
In comment 12640613 x meadowlander said:
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...and history says the Eagles will win that last game, so pray Philly keeps losing - they're gonna have the tiebreaker.

Honestly I think Philly's season is Thanksgiving. If they can't circle the wagons and win that one they are headed for a 5 or 6 win season. Detroit has actually played much better the past month. If Philly loses that one there is no way Kelly holds that thing together. He just doesn't have the NFL experience or respect in that room. This Sunday is so huge. If we win it there's a lot of work left to be done, but I think we would be on our way.
We will learn  
rocco8112 : 11/23/2015 3:13 pm : link
a lot against the skins. Likely it will be a battle, but I hope the Giants come out and crush them.

If that happens this team may be peaking and may very well win them all. The NFC is so wide open it is ridiculous. The Giants must get into the dance.

The NFL is so watered down the Giants could flame out or go on to win it all again against all odds. Who knows.



RE: IMO 8 and 8 wins the division  
x meadowlander : 11/23/2015 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12640706 Reale01 said:
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If we beat Philly and Washington. We just need one more win. This week is critical. Especially if Carolina beats Dallas and we beat Washington.

I actually expect Dallas will win, but they will lose at least one more.
How do we beat Philly?
anything is possible but ...  
ciggy : 11/23/2015 3:31 pm : link
A) There is no way we win all the remaining games

B) Much more likely that we are 8-8 team, and

C) 8-8 might be enough to get in as long as they beat Skins and Philly as part of it.

D) Skins is an absolute must win IMO
after the Skins...  
Drewcon40 : 11/23/2015 3:35 pm : link
....I am going to be really nervous about that Jets game. Dave in Hoboken are you out there? The in-laws are getting itchy. Whatever wins they do get, I really need the Giants to win that game. I am more nervous about that Jets game than I was with New England and am for Carolina. I understand on paper they are even but Jet Nation can't wait to "win that game".
all of the games are winnable  
Les in TO : 11/23/2015 3:51 pm : link
two factors - can the giants stay healthy? can the giants eliminate or significantly reduce the unforced execution, mental and clock management errors that have plagued them in 4 out of the 5 losses?

New England was a scarier matchup than Carolina and we saw what happened.
Or...  
silverfox : 11/23/2015 4:01 pm : link
...lose them all. This team plays down to their competition far too often. If we could play NE each week, I'd agree with you, besides only Dallas is capable of running the table if you believe the media.
With you on that thought  
TMS : 11/23/2015 5:02 pm : link
Our showing against NE tells me we have as good a shot as anybody right now.
soooooooooooooooo  
EVERY4YEARS : 11/23/2015 5:29 pm : link
We could win all our games left or lose them all

Thanks Nostradamus

:-)
NFC EAST STANDINGS  
Glover : 11/23/2015 8:14 pm : link
Giants 8-8
Redskins 7-9
Eagles 6-10
Cowboys 5-11

The NFC to say the LEAST. Pretty awesome year for the Giants to be the Giants, before the season I saw the Giants where I predict the Eagles or Cowboys will be. And it is an absolute joke that anyone would have the Cowboys favored over the Panthers on Thanksgiving. It is truly a reflection of hype and fandom and Vegas trying to get all idiotic Americans to believe the Cowboys can compete with the Panthers. Tony Romo is a good QB, but he is breaking down physically, and he never was, and is not now, the QB that Cam Newton is now. He is the MVP of the league and I don't see that changing. Of course Brady is very much in the discussion, and he will win it if they go undefeated, but if they both continue on the pace they are on now, and they both lose say 2 games, I think Cam deserves the MVP, an Romo is not near that level. Cant wait to see Michael Irvin's tears when the Cowboys go 2-4 for the remainder of the season, not because they are bad, but because they play some good teams and most on the road. If Romo didn't get hurt the Cowboys would at least be tied with the Giants right now, but he didn't.
RE: Good luck with that. Hope your comfortable with 8-8  
EVERY4YEARS : 11/23/2015 8:31 pm : link
In comment 12640609 x meadowlander said:
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4-2 would match Coughlin's best Giants finish... ever.

Coughlin Giants, final 6 games regular season, by season:

2014: 3-3
2013: 3-3
2012: 3-3
2011: 3-3
2010: 4-2
2009: 2-4
2008: 3-3
2007: 3-3
2006: 2-4
2005: 4-2
2004: 1-5


hes definitely a 3-3 guy gotta do better this year Tom
Nothing is easy for this Giants team  
TheShade : 11/23/2015 10:57 pm : link
They do find new ways to shoot themselves in the foot every week. With the division as close as it is, luck better be on their side.
Based on the OP's logic, there's roughly a 1 in 64 chance...  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/24/2015 4:15 am : link
... of the Giants finishing 11-5. There's also roughly a 1 in 64 chance of them finishing 5-11. In other words, neither result is very likely.

The OP's basic premise, that each game is essentially a coin flip, is crude but not unreasonable. The fallacy lies in the likelihood of six coin-flips having any specific sequence of results.

Ignoring for the moment the relative difficulty of games against e.g. Miami and Carolina, "LLLLLL" and "WWWWWW" have the same probability: 1 in 64. So do "WLLLLL", "LWLLLL", "LLWLLL", "LLLWLL", "LLLLWL", and "LLLLLW"; the last six sequences, however, all produce the same 6-10 finish.

To make a long story short, if each game is truly an independent 50-50 proposition, the likelihood of the Giants finishing between 7-9 and 9-7 (inclusive) is very high: a little over 78%; 50 of 64 possible combinations produce a record in that range. Expand the range to include 6-10 and 10-6, and the probability is nearly 97%, or 62 of 64 possible scenarios.

In conclusion, the OP's assertion that the Giants could easily either win all their remaining games or lose them all is statistically unsound. The only way to salvage this hypothesis is to posit that the games are not independent - i.e., either that the result of each game makes subsequent similar results more likely, or that the results of all remaining games will be swayed in the same direction by certain common factors, such as injuries. That's probably true - for example, if Eli gets KO'd at FedEx, the likelihood of an 0-6 finish skyrockets. But I don't think it's what the OP meant. Parenthetically, that's also the reason 5-11 is more likely than 11-5: more events can be envisioned that increase the likelihood of losing all the games than winning them all.
I thought BB  
Doomster : 11/24/2015 7:32 am : link
had a way of skewing the coin toss?
Again, like your thoughts  
TMS : 11/26/2015 9:53 am : link
but using the word EASILY is a big reach with this team's personnel, who are not injured (yet).
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