didn't they find out enough to make this look like a very frivolous suit, at the very least?
Do you think whether he invented the clock or just stripped a commercial alarm clock is particularly relevant to whether he should have been arrested for a bomb hoax? Seems irrelevant to me.
to take a clock that looks like a clock and turn it into a clock that looks like a bomb.
I agree with this. And also if he moved out of country, that he should go fuck himself along with his lawsuit.
He's acting strangely. I wonder if he and his family are THAT dim-witted that they are easily being courted by folks who are manipulating them with money/promises of money?
didn't they find out enough to make this look like a very frivolous suit, at the very least?
Do you think whether he invented the clock or just stripped a commercial alarm clock is particularly relevant to whether he should have been arrested for a bomb hoax? Seems irrelevant to me.
Were there other things discovered?
Depends on the intent, doesn't it, counselor?
Is your intent is to invent/build a clock from scratch, or is your intent to repackage something that already exists to look like something else?
to take a clock that looks like a clock and turn it into a clock that looks like a bomb.
I agree with this. And also if he moved out of country, that he should go fuck himself along with his lawsuit.
He's acting strangely. I wonder if he and his family are THAT dim-witted that they are easily being courted by folks who are manipulating them with money/promises of money?
WTF? Obviously ISIS is behind the law suit, right?
didn't they find out enough to make this look like a very frivolous suit, at the very least?
Do you think whether he invented the clock or just stripped a commercial alarm clock is particularly relevant to whether he should have been arrested for a bomb hoax? Seems irrelevant to me.
Were there other things discovered?
Depends on the intent, doesn't it, counselor?
Is your intent is to invent/build a clock from scratch, or is your intent to repackage something that already exists to look like something else?
Why is that relevent to a false arrest law suit? It would be ok to arrest him for a bomb hoax if it was a gutted commercial clock but not if he built it himself?
Seems specious. What is relevant is what the cops thought when they arrested him (from what I know I think the school personnel acted very reasonably). Did the cops know how he made the clock? That was deduced on the internet days later, though he may have told them that on the spot. But if the cops were in the dark it seems an irrelevant fact to the claim.
It's like if A and B get into a simple fender bender at a stop sign. An argument ensues and A beats B with a tire iron. Does it matter whether A or B was at fault in the traffic accident? Maybe on the periphery, but on the whole no. Similarly, whether he faked the clock could peripherally be something in the mix of information the cops had when assessing whether this was a hoax bomb. But whether it was a hoax homemade clock doesnt seem independently relevant.
to take a clock that looks like a clock and turn it into a clock that looks like a bomb.
I agree with this. And also if he moved out of country, that he should go fuck himself along with his lawsuit.
He's acting strangely. I wonder if he and his family are THAT dim-witted that they are easily being courted by folks who are manipulating them with money/promises of money?
WTF? Obviously ISIS is behind the law suit, right?
if he intentionally wanted the repackaged device to give off a suspicious appearance, then the "false arrest" for a bomb hoax wouldn't necessarily be a "false" arrest, would it?
if he intentionally wanted the repackaged device to give off a suspicious appearance, then the "false arrest" for a bomb hoax wouldn't necessarily be a "false" arrest, would it?
If he wanted it to have a suspicious appearance it could be relevant. Kind of. More important is what the police had reason to believe.
My point is very different however, which is that the mere fact that he likely faked building a homemade alarm clock is irrelevant to whether he made a hoax bomb. Original vs. de-packaged clock is a different issue from making it look like a bomb.
I believe the words he used were that he invented the clock...
invented - "create or design (something that has not existed before); be the originator of"
Now let's look at the word hoax.
hoax - "to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous"
You're a lawyer, Deej, correct? Pretend your job is arguing the city's case. You can't build your case around these very simple definitions?
Kids get arrested for things everyday like calling in a fake bomb threat or pulling a fire alarm in school. Is this really much different, if there is even any chance that the devices appearance was intentional?
There were a lot of holes poked in this kid's story...
I do think the lawsuit is frivolous, but the chatter around here that he intentionally duped everyone bears the burden of proof is giving a kid way too much credit.
RE: Britt, the police hardly took the threat seriously
I do think the lawsuit is frivolous, but the chatter around here that he intentionally duped everyone bears the burden of proof is giving a kid way too much credit.
That's not the point. We get bomb threats called into my school all the time. They don't ever really think that there's a bomb, but we have to evacuate, call the fire and police department, and stand outside in all kinds of conditions until they have inspected every inch of the school and declared it clear. They still get arrested if caught.
The kid (probably) made a hoax clock. Not a crime. Making a hoax bomb is a crime. The rule cant be that any hoax is a hoax bomb. The police would have to suspect at time of arrest that he intended to make a hoax BOMB.
RE: RE: Britt, the police hardly took the threat seriously
I do think the lawsuit is frivolous, but the chatter around here that he intentionally duped everyone bears the burden of proof is giving a kid way too much credit.
That's not the point. We get bomb threats called into my school all the time. They don't ever really think that there's a bomb, but we have to evacuate, call the fire and police department, and stand outside in all kinds of conditions until they have inspected every inch of the school and declared it clear. They still get arrested if caught.
Yet, there was never any bomb squad called in. The school took it seriously, but the authorities didn't deem the clock a threat at all, why is that?
Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
Plugged in with the time showing? I bet it looked exactly like a clock.
Does it look like a bomb? What sort of bomb needs to plug into the wall? Where is the explosive? If he wanted to make a hoax bomb, wouldnt it have fake dynamite sticks, silly putty plastic explosives or SOMETHING that was supposed to blow up?
I dont want to be this kid's defender because I honestly dont care. But the notion of fake clock = he got whatever was coming is kind of dumb to me. Maybe not damages dumb, but still dumb.
I do think the lawsuit is frivolous, but the chatter around here that he intentionally duped everyone bears the burden of proof is giving a kid way too much credit.
That's not the point. We get bomb threats called into my school all the time. They don't ever really think that there's a bomb, but we have to evacuate, call the fire and police department, and stand outside in all kinds of conditions until they have inspected every inch of the school and declared it clear. They still get arrested if caught.
I do think the lawsuit is frivolous, but the chatter around here that he intentionally duped everyone bears the burden of proof is giving a kid way too much credit.
That's not the point. We get bomb threats called into my school all the time. They don't ever really think that there's a bomb, but we have to evacuate, call the fire and police department, and stand outside in all kinds of conditions until they have inspected every inch of the school and declared it clear. They still get arrested if caught.
How often does this happen?
Funny you should ask... We had our first bomb threat of the year called in last month, and just last week some dumbass kid pulled the fire alarm in the cafeteria. They caught the kid that pulled the fire alarm and he was charged. Standard procedure.
The point is, bomb threat called in, a fire alarm pulled, or a fake plastic gun brought in painted to look like a real gun (also happens with more regularity than you think)..... Just because the cops know it's not a real threat doesn't mean they don't still charge you.
That, IMO, is a lot closer to what happened here than an entire town trying to persecute a family.
Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
Serious question, do you know what a fucking bomb looks like?
I asked if it looks like a clock. Not if it looks like a bomb, you dumb fuck.
He wasnt arrested for making a fake clock. He was arrested for making a fake bomb. So whether it looks like a bomb seems like a much more relevant question.
I dont know what a home made clock would look like. Do you?
Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
Serious question, do you know what a fucking bomb looks like?
I asked if it looks like a clock. Not if it looks like a bomb, you dumb fuck.
Yes, I'm the dumb fuck, yet I'm not the one positing whether something's a bomb because there's a circuit board there. Deej mentioned it earlier, but the device plugs into a fucking wall.
Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
Serious question, do you know what a fucking bomb looks like?
I asked if it looks like a clock. Not if it looks like a bomb, you dumb fuck.
Yes, I'm the dumb fuck, yet I'm not the one positing whether something's a bomb because there's a circuit board there. Deej mentioned it earlier, but the device plugs into a fucking wall.
It plugs into a wall? Then why did the alarm go off?
why don't you kindly fuck off? We have not crossed that bridge yet, but I do enjoy that it pisses you off so much when I bring up that people might have biases.
Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
No, to most reasonable people it did not look like a clock and I believe it was his English teacher who reported it to the principal and I'm going to guess many English teachers aren't qualified to make a call about what a bomb looks like or what a homemade clock looks like. And I don't want my kids English teacher taking it upon herself to make that determination about what constitutes a threat because she doesn't know how to identify a homemade clock. I think erring on the site of caution was correct.
reporting it to the principal was fine, especially after the science teacher he brought it in to show said don't show it to anyone, because the device will "alarm school staff".
after the principal got involved is when things got out of control, but Mohamed also contributed to that by allegedly not being forthcoming with the police. His family has also reportedly not waived their rights to privacy to allow the school to explain themselves, so all we are hearing is one "official" side to the events (the families) so it's wrong to reach any conclusions IMO (beyond the reasonable yes he should probably not have been cuffed, arrested, and denied access to his parents, a phone and a lawyer) but I have no idea what contributed to the police acting in that manner, and I don't think anyone else does (so people chalk it up to racism).
to take a clock that looks like a clock and turn it into a clock that looks like a bomb.
I agree with this. And also if he moved out of country, that he should go fuck himself along with his lawsuit.
He's acting strangely. I wonder if he and his family are THAT dim-witted that they are easily being courted by folks who are manipulating them with money/promises of money?
WTF? Obviously ISIS is behind the law suit, right?
I originally said to myself "he can't be THIS stupid. But then I realized who it was posting, and therefore you are.
what we really dont know is what other info the police had. If he just refused to answer questions + the clock, I think it was a pretty egregious arrest. But if he was talking, said something to the teacher and/or police, then you really would need to know what he said.
if he intentionally wanted the repackaged device to give off a suspicious appearance, then the "false arrest" for a bomb hoax wouldn't necessarily be a "false" arrest, would it?
If he wanted it to have a suspicious appearance it could be relevant. Kind of. More important is what the police had reason to believe.
My point is very different however, which is that the mere fact that he likely faked building a homemade alarm clock is irrelevant to whether he made a hoax bomb. Original vs. de-packaged clock is a different issue from making it look like a bomb.
Are you seriously fucking doubting his intent? He's smiling with warlords, suing the town for 15 million AFTER he and his disgusting family refused to cooperate with law enforcement during the conducting of their investigation. They rolled the dice, it worked and now they want more.
Fuck them and fuck anybody who refuses to believe these are bad people.
BTW, David in LA, what now? That idiot is bound to come call me an Islamaphobe any minute anyway. Fucking wanker.
with someone who thinks that anything inside a metallic briefcase with a digital display is a bomb. The cops clearly didn't think it was a credible threat, or they would have called in a bomb squad.
with someone who thinks that anything inside a metallic briefcase with a digital display is a bomb. The cops clearly didn't think it was a credible threat, or they would have called in a bomb squad.
This illustrates that you should just try and not overextend your normal everyday way of life labeling people and casting aspersions by tempting fate with discerning common sense.
No shit the cops didnt call the bomb squad. The teachers couldnt tell and called the cops. Cops knew why the teachers called the cops and questioned the kid, who was apparently COMPLETELY uncooperative. Then, when the cops attempt to access the parents, THEY in turn stonewall the cops. Months later, after precious little Ahmed receives national attention including a visit to the White House, scholarships to several private schools and even a goofy appearance on the Larry Wilmore show...after all that, he decides to sue the town for 15 million? And you really think this WASN'T staged?
Fuck ANYBODY who thinks this little twerp deserves what he got already.
don't answer that. Go back to fleecing people for their jewelry in your pawn shop.
1) I don't have a pawn shop. 2) I buy and sell stones to other jewelers, I rarely interface with retail customers, but keep taking cheap shots at how I make a living.
Do you think whether he invented the clock or just stripped a commercial alarm clock is particularly relevant to whether he should have been arrested for a bomb hoax? Seems irrelevant to me.
Were there other things discovered?
He's acting strangely. I wonder if he and his family are THAT dim-witted that they are easily being courted by folks who are manipulating them with money/promises of money?
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didn't they find out enough to make this look like a very frivolous suit, at the very least?
Do you think whether he invented the clock or just stripped a commercial alarm clock is particularly relevant to whether he should have been arrested for a bomb hoax? Seems irrelevant to me.
Were there other things discovered?
Depends on the intent, doesn't it, counselor?
Is your intent is to invent/build a clock from scratch, or is your intent to repackage something that already exists to look like something else?
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to take a clock that looks like a clock and turn it into a clock that looks like a bomb.
I agree with this. And also if he moved out of country, that he should go fuck himself along with his lawsuit.
He's acting strangely. I wonder if he and his family are THAT dim-witted that they are easily being courted by folks who are manipulating them with money/promises of money?
WTF? Obviously ISIS is behind the law suit, right?
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didn't they find out enough to make this look like a very frivolous suit, at the very least?
Do you think whether he invented the clock or just stripped a commercial alarm clock is particularly relevant to whether he should have been arrested for a bomb hoax? Seems irrelevant to me.
Were there other things discovered?
Depends on the intent, doesn't it, counselor?
Is your intent is to invent/build a clock from scratch, or is your intent to repackage something that already exists to look like something else?
Why is that relevent to a false arrest law suit? It would be ok to arrest him for a bomb hoax if it was a gutted commercial clock but not if he built it himself?
Seems specious. What is relevant is what the cops thought when they arrested him (from what I know I think the school personnel acted very reasonably). Did the cops know how he made the clock? That was deduced on the internet days later, though he may have told them that on the spot. But if the cops were in the dark it seems an irrelevant fact to the claim.
It's like if A and B get into a simple fender bender at a stop sign. An argument ensues and A beats B with a tire iron. Does it matter whether A or B was at fault in the traffic accident? Maybe on the periphery, but on the whole no. Similarly, whether he faked the clock could peripherally be something in the mix of information the cops had when assessing whether this was a hoax bomb. But whether it was a hoax homemade clock doesnt seem independently relevant.
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to take a clock that looks like a clock and turn it into a clock that looks like a bomb.
I agree with this. And also if he moved out of country, that he should go fuck himself along with his lawsuit.
He's acting strangely. I wonder if he and his family are THAT dim-witted that they are easily being courted by folks who are manipulating them with money/promises of money?
WTF? Obviously ISIS is behind the law suit, right?
It's how ISIS gets its funding, duh!
If he wanted it to have a suspicious appearance it could be relevant. Kind of. More important is what the police had reason to believe.
My point is very different however, which is that the mere fact that he likely faked building a homemade alarm clock is irrelevant to whether he made a hoax bomb. Original vs. de-packaged clock is a different issue from making it look like a bomb.
invented - "create or design (something that has not existed before); be the originator of"
Now let's look at the word hoax.
hoax - "to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous"
You're a lawyer, Deej, correct? Pretend your job is arguing the city's case. You can't build your case around these very simple definitions?
Kids get arrested for things everyday like calling in a fake bomb threat or pulling a fire alarm in school. Is this really much different, if there is even any chance that the devices appearance was intentional?
That's not the point. We get bomb threats called into my school all the time. They don't ever really think that there's a bomb, but we have to evacuate, call the fire and police department, and stand outside in all kinds of conditions until they have inspected every inch of the school and declared it clear. They still get arrested if caught.
The kid (probably) made a hoax clock. Not a crime. Making a hoax bomb is a crime. The rule cant be that any hoax is a hoax bomb. The police would have to suspect at time of arrest that he intended to make a hoax BOMB.
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I do think the lawsuit is frivolous, but the chatter around here that he intentionally duped everyone bears the burden of proof is giving a kid way too much credit.
That's not the point. We get bomb threats called into my school all the time. They don't ever really think that there's a bomb, but we have to evacuate, call the fire and police department, and stand outside in all kinds of conditions until they have inspected every inch of the school and declared it clear. They still get arrested if caught.
Yet, there was never any bomb squad called in. The school took it seriously, but the authorities didn't deem the clock a threat at all, why is that?
Plugged in with the time showing? I bet it looked exactly like a clock.
Does it look like a bomb? What sort of bomb needs to plug into the wall? Where is the explosive? If he wanted to make a hoax bomb, wouldnt it have fake dynamite sticks, silly putty plastic explosives or SOMETHING that was supposed to blow up?
I dont want to be this kid's defender because I honestly dont care. But the notion of fake clock = he got whatever was coming is kind of dumb to me. Maybe not damages dumb, but still dumb.
Serious question, do you know what a fucking bomb looks like?
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I do think the lawsuit is frivolous, but the chatter around here that he intentionally duped everyone bears the burden of proof is giving a kid way too much credit.
That's not the point. We get bomb threats called into my school all the time. They don't ever really think that there's a bomb, but we have to evacuate, call the fire and police department, and stand outside in all kinds of conditions until they have inspected every inch of the school and declared it clear. They still get arrested if caught.
How often does this happen?
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Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
Serious question, do you know what a fucking bomb looks like?
I asked if it looks like a clock. Not if it looks like a bomb, you dumb fuck.
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I do think the lawsuit is frivolous, but the chatter around here that he intentionally duped everyone bears the burden of proof is giving a kid way too much credit.
That's not the point. We get bomb threats called into my school all the time. They don't ever really think that there's a bomb, but we have to evacuate, call the fire and police department, and stand outside in all kinds of conditions until they have inspected every inch of the school and declared it clear. They still get arrested if caught.
How often does this happen?
Funny you should ask... We had our first bomb threat of the year called in last month, and just last week some dumbass kid pulled the fire alarm in the cafeteria. They caught the kid that pulled the fire alarm and he was charged. Standard procedure.
The point is, bomb threat called in, a fire alarm pulled, or a fake plastic gun brought in painted to look like a real gun (also happens with more regularity than you think)..... Just because the cops know it's not a real threat doesn't mean they don't still charge you.
That, IMO, is a lot closer to what happened here than an entire town trying to persecute a family.
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Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
Serious question, do you know what a fucking bomb looks like?
I asked if it looks like a clock. Not if it looks like a bomb, you dumb fuck.
He wasnt arrested for making a fake clock. He was arrested for making a fake bomb. So whether it looks like a bomb seems like a much more relevant question.
I dont know what a home made clock would look like. Do you?
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Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
Serious question, do you know what a fucking bomb looks like?
I asked if it looks like a clock. Not if it looks like a bomb, you dumb fuck.
Yes, I'm the dumb fuck, yet I'm not the one positing whether something's a bomb because there's a circuit board there. Deej mentioned it earlier, but the device plugs into a fucking wall.
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Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
Serious question, do you know what a fucking bomb looks like?
I asked if it looks like a clock. Not if it looks like a bomb, you dumb fuck.
Uh oh. You are arguing with David in LA? Be prepared to get called an Islamophobe. Or a racist. That's how he rolls.
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Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
Serious question, do you know what a fucking bomb looks like?
I asked if it looks like a clock. Not if it looks like a bomb, you dumb fuck.
Yes, I'm the dumb fuck, yet I'm not the one positing whether something's a bomb because there's a circuit board there. Deej mentioned it earlier, but the device plugs into a fucking wall.
It plugs into a wall? Then why did the alarm go off?
No, to most reasonable people it did not look like a clock and I believe it was his English teacher who reported it to the principal and I'm going to guess many English teachers aren't qualified to make a call about what a bomb looks like or what a homemade clock looks like. And I don't want my kids English teacher taking it upon herself to make that determination about what constitutes a threat because she doesn't know how to identify a homemade clock. I think erring on the site of caution was correct.
reporting it to the principal was fine, especially after the science teacher he brought it in to show said don't show it to anyone, because the device will "alarm school staff".
after the principal got involved is when things got out of control, but Mohamed also contributed to that by allegedly not being forthcoming with the police. His family has also reportedly not waived their rights to privacy to allow the school to explain themselves, so all we are hearing is one "official" side to the events (the families) so it's wrong to reach any conclusions IMO (beyond the reasonable yes he should probably not have been cuffed, arrested, and denied access to his parents, a phone and a lawyer) but I have no idea what contributed to the police acting in that manner, and I don't think anyone else does (so people chalk it up to racism).
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to take a clock that looks like a clock and turn it into a clock that looks like a bomb.
I agree with this. And also if he moved out of country, that he should go fuck himself along with his lawsuit.
He's acting strangely. I wonder if he and his family are THAT dim-witted that they are easily being courted by folks who are manipulating them with money/promises of money?
WTF? Obviously ISIS is behind the law suit, right?
I originally said to myself "he can't be THIS stupid. But then I realized who it was posting, and therefore you are.
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if he intentionally wanted the repackaged device to give off a suspicious appearance, then the "false arrest" for a bomb hoax wouldn't necessarily be a "false" arrest, would it?
If he wanted it to have a suspicious appearance it could be relevant. Kind of. More important is what the police had reason to believe.
My point is very different however, which is that the mere fact that he likely faked building a homemade alarm clock is irrelevant to whether he made a hoax bomb. Original vs. de-packaged clock is a different issue from making it look like a bomb.
Are you seriously fucking doubting his intent? He's smiling with warlords, suing the town for 15 million AFTER he and his disgusting family refused to cooperate with law enforcement during the conducting of their investigation. They rolled the dice, it worked and now they want more.
Fuck them and fuck anybody who refuses to believe these are bad people.
BTW, David in LA, what now? That idiot is bound to come call me an Islamaphobe any minute anyway. Fucking wanker.
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Does anyone really believe that thing looks like a fucking clock?
Serious question, do you know what a fucking bomb looks like?
Here's your serious answer....they look like this:
Those are all disarmed briefcase bombs. This is Ahmed's "clock":
Nice rebuttal. I rest my case (no pun intended). You're too stupid to process common sense.
This illustrates that you should just try and not overextend your normal everyday way of life labeling people and casting aspersions by tempting fate with discerning common sense.
No shit the cops didnt call the bomb squad. The teachers couldnt tell and called the cops. Cops knew why the teachers called the cops and questioned the kid, who was apparently COMPLETELY uncooperative. Then, when the cops attempt to access the parents, THEY in turn stonewall the cops. Months later, after precious little Ahmed receives national attention including a visit to the White House, scholarships to several private schools and even a goofy appearance on the Larry Wilmore show...after all that, he decides to sue the town for 15 million? And you really think this WASN'T staged?
Fuck ANYBODY who thinks this little twerp deserves what he got already.
1) I don't have a pawn shop. 2) I buy and sell stones to other jewelers, I rarely interface with retail customers, but keep taking cheap shots at how I make a living.