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Chip Kelly trades barbs with, TKO'd by Philly radio host

JohnF : 11/23/2015 9:07 pm
Courtesy of Andrew Porter at CBS Philly

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Do you get emotionally angry after a game yesterday? Cataldi asked Kelly. Do you transmit that anger to your players?

I dont think you have to yell at grown men, Kelly responded. I think every single play in that locker room is as disappointed, or more disappointed, than anybody in this city in terms of how we played and what the outcome of this game was.

So for someone to have yell at them or raise their voice, theyre not two year olds. Theyre grown men. They know exactly whats going on. Thats Harry High Schoolstuff. That doesnt flow and that doesnt work and thats not what people talk about it. If thats what people want, if people want a screamer and yeller, then lets hire you cause youre really good at it.

Im not sure Id be worse than 4-6, Cataldi said.


City of Brotherly Love, indeed...
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Another  
steve in ky : 11/23/2015 10:26 pm : link
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I wouldn't assume Kelly is gone  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/23/2015 10:28 pm : link
He was just given control.
That is strange almost all of my post vanished  
steve in ky : 11/23/2015 10:30 pm : link
Oh well, what is was supposed to say:

Another "genius" who was supposed to reinvent the game bites the dust.
RE: RE: LOL as some rando  
Chris in Philly : 11/23/2015 11:13 pm : link
In comment 12641612 jcn56 said:
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radio host thinking he wouldnt do worse than 4-6. 0-10. Guaranteed. NFL coaching is at an insane level right now.



That's the problem - these radio blowhards mistake themselves for actual football people. Even the 'draft analysts' we get around draft time would be lucky if they could ever hang in the NFL, let alone as GMs.

Cataldi wouldn't last 10 seconds as a coach.


You guys are taking this way too literally.
College Chippy stuff  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/23/2015 11:16 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: LOL as some rando  
steve in ky : 11/23/2015 11:43 pm : link
In comment 12641701 Chris in Philly said:
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radio host thinking he wouldnt do worse than 4-6. 0-10. Guaranteed. NFL coaching is at an insane level right now.



That's the problem - these radio blowhards mistake themselves for actual football people. Even the 'draft analysts' we get around draft time would be lucky if they could ever hang in the NFL, let alone as GMs.

Cataldi wouldn't last 10 seconds as a coach.



You guys are taking this way too literally.

LOL, yeah there is no way the guy meant this seriously, it was a shot directed at Kelly and nothing more; and a pretty good one at that.
My takeaway is that  
Mr. Bungle : 11/24/2015 12:21 am : link
Andrew Porter is a brutal typist. Good God, did he even read that Kelly quote back once?
RE: RE: The last two weeks have been  
St. Jimmy : 11/24/2015 5:01 am : link
In comment 12641601 chopperhatch said:
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two of the best football weeks in Philadelphia since I moved there. Chip Kelly has gone from Chipachick to a guy who runs 5 plays and cannot evaluate talent. It is marvelous.

Angelo is probably a Giants' fan. He grew up in Connecticut and is a Yankee fan. I'm pretty sure they reference his sons as Giant fans on his show.



Where in the city do you live St. Jimmy?
I live north of the city actually. Right around King of Prussia. I guess near Philadelphia would be a better description of where I live.
I don't get the criticism against him  
robbieballs2003 : 11/24/2015 6:24 am : link
He is innovative. He has had success in the NFL. He has had success in the NFL with Sanchez, Foles, Tebow, and a beat up Bradford. His style of coaching works. Where he has fallen short is that this team is really stripped of talent. Yes, that is on him as a gm but not as a coach. Lets stop with this genius stuff. He never proclaimed he was a genius.

When Cruz blew his knee out in Philly, Kelly took time to go visit him in the hospital. He is okay in my book.
You'll will always lose  
JohnB : 11/24/2015 7:04 am : link
if you are trading barbs with a known loud mouth radio personality. If Chip keeps it up, he'll be packing his bags soon enough.
There are a few things going on here  
Matt in SGS : 11/24/2015 7:45 am : link
First of all, the only reason I root against Chip Kelly is that he is the Eagles head coach. Period. I could care less about his "innovative" offense (which in my mind is not much different than the 1988 Bengals and 1990s K-gun Bills running a no huddle/hurry up offense. It's been done before, and was good enough to make a Super Bowl only to lose). If Chip Kelly was coaching the Cleveland Browns, I might be mildly amused by him, similar to how I used to look at run and shoot teams which didn't impact the Giants.

The reason I want Chip to fail and go back to college is simply that if that happens, the Eagles fail. And bigger picture, the Eagles ownership made a decision to back Chip and give him full power last year when it looked like he might go back to college. They gave him the keys. If Chip implodes, that sets Philly back at least 2 years. This thought makes me happy.

However, the point the guy on the radio was making was a simple and visceral one, and one which is big with the fans. IE- is your coach showing passion out there and is he as pissed as we are. If the coach isn't showing it on the sidelines, then they think he doesn't show it at all...and worse, doesn't care. He is equating caring and getting mad with wins. That's not the case. How many times did you see Tom Landry lose his shit on the sidelines? What about Bill Walsh? Even Belichick is pretty calm.

Years ago, Ray Handley got in hot water because (among other things) he said the following:

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While players all but begged to be fired up for games, Handley's response was that "it is not the job of the head coach at this level to motivate." He insisted that the players, as professionals, should motivate themselves.


Essentially, Chip is saying the same thing here that Handley did. An NFL coach doesn't need to go crazy and yell on the sidelines or at the players. These guys are professionals and adults, this isn't high school or college. Handley believed that a coach was a teacher and put together game plans. Kelly actually had an advantage because the Reid team crashed and burned in 2011 and got worse in 2012. Handley took over a Super Bowl champion which was build for Parcells.

Remember this, Handley was at one time looked on as a top young coach by none other than George Young and Parcells. They both picked him over Belichick as the better man to lead the Giants as Parcells' successor. Kelly, somewhat similarly, has been looked on as a bright young coach. Coughlin wanted to bring him in on his staff years ago back when Kelly was at New Hampshire. Which leads to an interview I saw years ago with Steve Young. Young had taken over for Montana and he got heat from fans because he didn't win Super Bowls like Montana did. He got heat for how he looked like he didn't care (ie- didn't win). In a game in which the Eagles killed the Niners, something like 40-8 in Candlestick, Young was benched as the game got out of hand. They showed Young, throw his helmet and start yelling on the sidelines. Young said he was frustrated and did it because he was pissed. He had no idea that the cameras caught him and said he got a lot of positive feedback afterwords that so many people were happy because it showed "he cared as much as we do". And Young said it was at that moment he realized that perception was reality and he had to change some of his actions for the team and camera, even if he didn't feel that way.

What I see here is Kelly pulling a Handley. Not realizing that unless he wins, people will get on him and it will eat away his authority and result in him going back to college. Hopefully he doesn't have that Steve Young epiphany and get the fans and media back on his side by giving them what they want so he can help stabilize things and get hte Eagles back on track.
the whole Chip Kelly criticism thing is nuts  
Essex : 11/24/2015 8:08 am : link
the man told Philadelphia that his team was not good enough to win a title and that he needed control to shape the roster with players he thought he needed to be successful. He never said he would do it in one year. I think as a GM he has more or less made the right moves about who to get rid of besides Mathis, the one area you can critique him on, is the players he signed. Murray and Maxwell seem to be bad signings and that will hurt his ability to reshape his roster. But this was a guy who won 20 games in his first two years with Foles, Vick, Barkley, and Sanchez. He is the Eagles coach, and I want him to leave because I think he is really good. He is innovative and will be successful. The best thing for us is for Chip to leave and them to reinstate Roseman as GM. However, I doubt the owner gave him total control and said you need to fix this in a year. I am sure he has more time than that.
Kelly will be back in college for 2016, 2017 latest.  
Victor in CT : 11/24/2015 8:20 am : link
USC or Texas both very attractive jobs. Someone else will be left to clean up the mess he made.
always thought he'd crash and burn  
HomerJones45 : 11/24/2015 8:27 am : link
Once Reid's players left.
I don't get all this "innovative" stuff  
BigBlueShock : 11/24/2015 8:36 am : link
I mean, is he really? What's so innovative about him? Because he likes to run an uptempo offense? Wow, brilliant. He's got his own ideas on what can work, just like every other coach in all of sports. Coaches get paid to find things that work. I'm just not sure why Kelly gets labeled as being innovative so much more than anyone else. Fans think that uptempo offense is exciting. That doesn't make it innovative. There is a ton that can go wrong with running an offense like this, that's why teams don't do it more. Kelly didn't invent some unheard of offensive philosophy. He simply believes in it more than most.
We'll see how his personnel changes work out,  
Big Blue '56 : 11/24/2015 8:37 am : link
but I have the utmost respect for Kelly..We tend to forget how brutal it must be to deal with today's media..You get spoiled when you watch a Belichick or Coughlin handle them..
He bet his career on Sam Bradford  
WillieYoung : 11/24/2015 8:49 am : link
That was not smart. he then gave up one of the five best running backs in the league for an undersized linebacker who hadn't played in a year. Pride goeth before the fall.
The Eagles could be awful,  
Default : 11/24/2015 8:53 am : link
they could go 2-14.
But we all know those two wins will be against the Giants.
I'll never look down on the Eagles or gloat about their failure while they continue to kick the Giants ass every year.
Kelly engineered a flawed off season plan...  
Torrag : 11/24/2015 9:04 am : link
...resulting in a less talented roster. He wanted the personnel reins and he got them to his detriment. That is at the heart of the eagles woes...may they continue forever.
Hope they sign him  
gmenrule : 11/24/2015 9:16 am : link
to a lifetime contract !
The arrogance on this thread is amazing  
Essex : 11/24/2015 9:24 am : link
Reid's players were 4-12 without Chip, he won 10 games in a row twice. When was the last time our coaching staff won 10 games with a QB much better than Foles, Sanchez, and Vick. It is not easy winning 10 games and maybe Chip is not as good as I think, but the people dogging him for 10 games this season are just as annoying as the people putting him in the HOF after 2. He has never not been successful anywhere he has been and I trust that will be the same in Philly, that is why I want him to return to college, but I would bet my mortgage he is staying next year in the NFL.
RE: We'll see how his personnel changes work out,  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/24/2015 9:34 am : link
In comment 12641858 Big Blue '56 said:
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but I have the utmost respect for Kelly..We tend to forget how brutal it must be to deal with today's media..You get spoiled when you watch a Belichick or Coughlin handle them..


Don't know how the team agreed for Kelly to go on first thing Monday morning with a shit-stirrer like Cataldi. It just seems like bad PR to me.
RE: The arrogance on this thread is amazing  
KingBlue : 11/24/2015 9:40 am : link
In comment 12641939 Essex said:
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Reid's players were 4-12 without Chip, he won 10 games in a row twice. When was the last time our coaching staff won 10 games with a QB much better than Foles, Sanchez, and Vick. It is not easy winning 10 games and maybe Chip is not as good as I think, but the people dogging him for 10 games this season are just as annoying as the people putting him in the HOF after 2. He has never not been successful anywhere he has been and I trust that will be the same in Philly, that is why I want him to return to college, but I would bet my mortgage he is staying next year in the NFL.



I call bullshit. You wouldn't bet your mortgage.
RE: He bet his career on Sam Bradford  
Matt in SGS : 11/24/2015 9:41 am : link
In comment 12641878 WillieYoung said:
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That was not smart. he then gave up one of the five best running backs in the league for an undersized linebacker who hadn't played in a year. Pride goeth before the fall.


He believed his own bullshit about Bradford. He thought that the Titans wanted him and he would flip him to get Mariotta. Remember the rumors that he was offered a #1 by Cleveland for Bradford? That was planted to try to hype up his value.

Essentially his whole plan was to get Mariotta and his plan B was hoping Bradford would click. He failed on both accounts.
so let me get this straight  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/24/2015 9:55 am : link
Chip Kelly is an embarrassment and not long for the NFL. I did notice that he's 24-18 in his 2+ year career, whipped our ass a few times, and is 4-1 against us with the only loss coming when Matt Barkley started at QB. In that time, he has worked with several different quarterbacks and is trying to overhaul his roster his way.

Meanwhile, in that same stretch, we have had the same excellent QB and are 18-24.

If Chip Kelly is so bad, then we are doing a terrible job of exposing it.
RE: so let me get this straight  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2015 9:59 am : link
In comment 12641998 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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Chip Kelly is an embarrassment and not long for the NFL. I did notice that he's 24-18 in his 2+ year career, whipped our ass a few times, and is 4-1 against us with the only loss coming when Matt Barkley started at QB. In that time, he has worked with several different quarterbacks and is trying to overhaul his roster his way.

Meanwhile, in that same stretch, we have had the same excellent QB and are 18-24.

If Chip Kelly is so bad, then we are doing a terrible job of exposing it.


The Giants not being able to beat the eagles does not mean the Eagles are going well. They gave away a second round draft pick for a broken quarterback. The BBI servers would be liquefying if this happened here. This place goes to shit if they dump an old 4th WR who can't even separate from coverage.
listen to it  
mattlawson : 11/24/2015 10:14 am : link
not really that big of a gash left in context. he's basically chuckling when he says it and moves right on.


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I understand they're stuck with Bradford/Sanchez now  
RB^2 : 11/24/2015 10:25 am : link
But I can't really fault him for trading Foles, who got benched for Case Keenum. Kelly bet the farm to position himself for a franchise QB for the next 15 years and the plan failed. It happens. But when you look at the Giants in the Eli era compared to the Graham/Kanell/Brown era, can you really blame him for rolling the dice?
I'm pretty confident he would have done a better job with Mariota than Washington did with Bob.

But I acknowledge that Jackson, Mathis, McCoy and Maclin are a different story. That is definitely an elite group of players he lost for nothing.
RE: You'll will always lose  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 10:27 am : link
In comment 12641777 JohnB said:
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if you are trading barbs with a known loud mouth radio personality. If Chip keeps it up, he'll be packing his bags soon enough.


This stuff is silly. The media doesn't run off coaches.
TTH  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/24/2015 10:30 am : link
my point is that I find it curious to see Giants fans trying to grave-dance or trying to point out how bad Chip is considering we can't beat him and he has gotten significantly better results since he has been here than the Giants have in that same span.
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steve in ky : 11/24/2015 10:32 am : link
In comment 12642044 AP in Halfmoon said:
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if you are trading barbs with a known loud mouth radio personality. If Chip keeps it up, he'll be packing his bags soon enough.



This stuff is silly. The media doesn't run off coaches.


Depends on the ownership. If their coach is frustrated enough to lower himself to making snarky remarks to interviewers on live local radio and majority of fans and local media would all turn on him, for some owners it can be the straw in the canals back so to speak.
This is Chip's first real bout of adversity  
RB^2 : 11/24/2015 10:34 am : link
We'll really see what kind of coach he is in the next 12 months. Will he learn from his mistakes and adapt or is this the beginning of the end for him?
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AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 10:36 am : link
In comment 12642052 steve in ky said:
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if you are trading barbs with a known loud mouth radio personality. If Chip keeps it up, he'll be packing his bags soon enough.



This stuff is silly. The media doesn't run off coaches.



Depends on the ownership. If their coach is frustrated enough to lower himself to making snarky remarks to interviewers on live local radio and majority of fans and local media would all turn on him, for some owners it can be the straw in the canals back so to speak.


I doubt Chip is stupid. He won't get sucked in to that stuff.
RE: so let me get this straight  
BillKo : 11/24/2015 10:36 am : link
In comment 12641998 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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Chip Kelly is an embarrassment and not long for the NFL. I did notice that he's 24-18 in his 2+ year career, whipped our ass a few times, and is 4-1 against us with the only loss coming when Matt Barkley started at QB. In that time, he has worked with several different quarterbacks and is trying to overhaul his roster his way.

Meanwhile, in that same stretch, we have had the same excellent QB and are 18-24.

If Chip Kelly is so bad, then we are doing a terrible job of exposing it.


All true, but there's a twist to all of it.

Most of that 24-18 came with Andy Reid's players, in a system that was completely new to the NFL. All we heard was how Chip was going to change the NFL with is offense and extensive playbook.

Fast forward to year three and Kelly is 5-9 in his last 14. And that extensive playbook....everyone is now saying that the Eagles offense only executes a handful of plays. More damaging.......no snap varying counts, no audibles. Complete predictability. On top of that, he's totally wrecking the team from a GM perspective.

The issue with beating the Eagles, from the Giants perspective is, we can't block them up front on either side of the ball. Lose the LOS, and you'll probably lose the game.
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steve in ky : 11/24/2015 10:41 am : link
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if you are trading barbs with a known loud mouth radio personality. If Chip keeps it up, he'll be packing his bags soon enough.



This stuff is silly. The media doesn't run off coaches.



Depends on the ownership. If their coach is frustrated enough to lower himself to making snarky remarks to interviewers on live local radio and majority of fans and local media would all turn on him, for some owners it can be the straw in the canals back so to speak.



I doubt Chip is stupid. He won't get sucked in to that stuff.


He already has in this interview. That's what this thread is about. We will have to wait to see if he continues this course as frustration mounts

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Kelly- If thats what people want, if people want a screamer and yeller, then lets hire you cause youre really good at it.

Response- Im not sure Id be worse than 4-6,

RE: TTH  
Essex : 11/24/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12642050 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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my point is that I find it curious to see Giants fans trying to grave-dance or trying to point out how bad Chip is considering we can't beat him and he has gotten significantly better results since he has been here than the Giants have in that same span.


Exactly, this board is like the media pundits, you are as only as good as your last game. Nobody takes a long term view of this. What was Coughlin's record after three years here? How many people said he was a failure and needed to go; in fact, our owners were a nose hair away from firing him after 06 and if he lost the Redskins game that got us to 8-8 he would have been out. If TC loses the Buffalo game where were down 14-0 in game 15 of 2007, he probably gets fired. The point is that by taking such a myopic view of Kelly is just as absurd as people on this board who call for Coghlin's head after every loss.

And, did he win with Reid's players, yes? Did Reid win with his players? No. He was 12-20 his last two years in Philly, that Kelly went 20-12 in the next two years speaks to what a decent coach he is. I am happy Philly wants to throw him overboard, that means we win. I pray ever day they get rid of him or he leaves, but last year the owner kicked out a GM that he likes so much that he retained at a 1.7 million dollar contract per year to basically do nothing. If a year later, he reverses course and reinstates the old GM and Chip leaves we win. Not only because Chip is a good coach, but because it shows you what a clown the owner of Philly is
Let's hope they lose on Thursday  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 10:46 am : link
and we can see how he handles it next time
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BillKo : 11/24/2015 10:51 am : link
In comment 12642081 Essex said:
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my point is that I find it curious to see Giants fans trying to grave-dance or trying to point out how bad Chip is considering we can't beat him and he has gotten significantly better results since he has been here than the Giants have in that same span.



Exactly, this board is like the media pundits, you are as only as good as your last game. Nobody takes a long term view of this. What was Coughlin's record after three years here? How many people said he was a failure and needed to go; in fact, our owners were a nose hair away from firing him after 06 and if he lost the Redskins game that got us to 8-8 he would have been out. If TC loses the Buffalo game where were down 14-0 in game 15 of 2007, he probably gets fired. The point is that by taking such a myopic view of Kelly is just as absurd as people on this board who call for Coghlin's head after every loss.

And, did he win with Reid's players, yes? Did Reid win with his players? No. He was 12-20 his last two years in Philly, that Kelly went 20-12 in the next two years speaks to what a decent coach he is. I am happy Philly wants to throw him overboard, that means we win. I pray ever day they get rid of him or he leaves, but last year the owner kicked out a GM that he likes so much that he retained at a 1.7 million dollar contract per year to basically do nothing. If a year later, he reverses course and reinstates the old GM and Chip leaves we win. Not only because Chip is a good coach, but because it shows you what a clown the owner of Philly is


We all know Reid's players were tuning him out...it was the end. You take McCoy, Jackson, Maclin, etc. and throw in a brand new offense that the league hasn't seen. That's what you got the first two years.

Now, teams are not substituting. Not getting caught out of position as much. It's a gimmick offense.

They realize the Eagles use the SAME snap count every play. Can you actually believe that?

Here's some great coaching. Down 24 in the fourth versus Tampa, kick a FG on fourth down instead of going for a TD. Well done.

What's gimmicky about their offense?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2015 10:57 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: TTH  
Essex : 11/24/2015 10:57 am : link
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my point is that I find it curious to see Giants fans trying to grave-dance or trying to point out how bad Chip is considering we can't beat him and he has gotten significantly better results since he has been here than the Giants have in that same span.



Exactly, this board is like the media pundits, you are as only as good as your last game. Nobody takes a long term view of this. What was Coughlin's record after three years here? How many people said he was a failure and needed to go; in fact, our owners were a nose hair away from firing him after 06 and if he lost the Redskins game that got us to 8-8 he would have been out. If TC loses the Buffalo game where were down 14-0 in game 15 of 2007, he probably gets fired. The point is that by taking such a myopic view of Kelly is just as absurd as people on this board who call for Coghlin's head after every loss.

And, did he win with Reid's players, yes? Did Reid win with his players? No. He was 12-20 his last two years in Philly, that Kelly went 20-12 in the next two years speaks to what a decent coach he is. I am happy Philly wants to throw him overboard, that means we win. I pray ever day they get rid of him or he leaves, but last year the owner kicked out a GM that he likes so much that he retained at a 1.7 million dollar contract per year to basically do nothing. If a year later, he reverses course and reinstates the old GM and Chip leaves we win. Not only because Chip is a good coach, but because it shows you what a clown the owner of Philly is



We all know Reid's players were tuning him out...it was the end. You take McCoy, Jackson, Maclin, etc. and throw in a brand new offense that the league hasn't seen. That's what you got the first two years.

Now, teams are not substituting. Not getting caught out of position as much. It's a gimmick offense.

They realize the Eagles use the SAME snap count every play. Can you actually believe that?

Here's some great coaching. Down 24 in the fourth versus Tampa, kick a FG on fourth down instead of going for a TD. Well done.

You think McCoy, Maclin, and Jackson were winning you a title and deserved contracts at 10 mill per year which was what they were making or in Maclins case asking for? I think that was good business. One, why be tied down to often injured players at exorbitant rates. Those were the right moves; the wrong moves appeared to be getting rid of Mathis and paying Murray outside of Dallas's OL and Maxwell and not recognizing their success was situational as opposed to them being stars in their own. That is an extremely valid criticism of Kelly, but this notion that he busted up a championship team to make a bad team is not really valid, Imo. He wasn't satisfied with 10-6 and being on the cusp of the playoffs, he is reshaping the team in his mold, to judge him after ten games is to look at any project in the middle of it and declare it a failure. I bet when they were remodeling the garden it didn't look so hot during all those years, but you judge the final result. I am perfectly happy to call him a failure after year three of him in charge, just not after ten games..
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BillKo : 11/24/2015 11:01 am : link
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my point is that I find it curious to see Giants fans trying to grave-dance or trying to point out how bad Chip is considering we can't beat him and he has gotten significantly better results since he has been here than the Giants have in that same span.



Exactly, this board is like the media pundits, you are as only as good as your last game. Nobody takes a long term view of this. What was Coughlin's record after three years here? How many people said he was a failure and needed to go; in fact, our owners were a nose hair away from firing him after 06 and if he lost the Redskins game that got us to 8-8 he would have been out. If TC loses the Buffalo game where were down 14-0 in game 15 of 2007, he probably gets fired. The point is that by taking such a myopic view of Kelly is just as absurd as people on this board who call for Coghlin's head after every loss.

And, did he win with Reid's players, yes? Did Reid win with his players? No. He was 12-20 his last two years in Philly, that Kelly went 20-12 in the next two years speaks to what a decent coach he is. I am happy Philly wants to throw him overboard, that means we win. I pray ever day they get rid of him or he leaves, but last year the owner kicked out a GM that he likes so much that he retained at a 1.7 million dollar contract per year to basically do nothing. If a year later, he reverses course and reinstates the old GM and Chip leaves we win. Not only because Chip is a good coach, but because it shows you what a clown the owner of Philly is



We all know Reid's players were tuning him out...it was the end. You take McCoy, Jackson, Maclin, etc. and throw in a brand new offense that the league hasn't seen. That's what you got the first two years.

Now, teams are not substituting. Not getting caught out of position as much. It's a gimmick offense.

They realize the Eagles use the SAME snap count every play. Can you actually believe that?

Here's some great coaching. Down 24 in the fourth versus Tampa, kick a FG on fourth down instead of going for a TD. Well done.



You think McCoy, Maclin, and Jackson were winning you a title and deserved contracts at 10 mill per year which was what they were making or in Maclins case asking for? I think that was good business. One, why be tied down to often injured players at exorbitant rates. Those were the right moves; the wrong moves appeared to be getting rid of Mathis and paying Murray outside of Dallas's OL and Maxwell and not recognizing their success was situational as opposed to them being stars in their own. That is an extremely valid criticism of Kelly, but this notion that he busted up a championship team to make a bad team is not really valid, Imo. He wasn't satisfied with 10-6 and being on the cusp of the playoffs, he is reshaping the team in his mold, to judge him after ten games is to look at any project in the middle of it and declare it a failure. I bet when they were remodeling the garden it didn't look so hot during all those years, but you judge the final result. I am perfectly happy to call him a failure after year three of him in charge, just not after ten games..


I never said he busted up a championship team lol....he busted up a decent team and made them considerably worse.

Look at the product.

They suck right now, and the only reason they are in this thing is because half of the NFL is sunk in mediocrity.
and finally....  
BillKo : 11/24/2015 11:06 am : link
the only reason they Eagles are remotely in this thing (other than the horrible state of pro football) is their defense. Although that is even showing leaks because of the LARGE number of plays they have to take on because of one Chip Kelly's offense which totally disregards time of possession. He's more interested in running 80+ plays per game.

And who leads that defense? Players drafted by Andy Reid.

I can't believe I'd defending AR......
I am not an Eagle fan or live in Philly  
Essex : 11/24/2015 11:10 am : link
So I cannot say I am really attuned to their fanbase or what they think, But isn't the whole mantra of the franchise winning that first Lombardi trophy. if that is so, isn't it really a good move to rebuild if you are sitting on a team with guys that you pay tons of money too that are not championship players. It would seem to me if your goal is to win a title and you are overpaying players who can't get you there, then the right move is to rebuild. If you want competiveness for 2015, then I guess you are correct.
Essex...  
BillKo : 11/24/2015 11:16 am : link
you are correct.......sometimes a tear down is needed.

But right now they aren't happy in Philly, and they do realize Chip is probably not being fired (although they do wish for him to leave). They feel Lurie won't embarrass himself by firing a guy he just gave total control to.

But a lot of fans think, why tear down? Why not just add on?
I don't think add on is the wrong move in some situations  
Essex : 11/24/2015 11:22 am : link
But with a cap when you invest 30 million of it in Djax, McCoy and Maclin, it might prohibit you from making significant add ons and you have to figure that in when making these decisions. It is not only the player, but his salary. My guess is that chip decided that Maclin with two ACLs, Jackson with a bad attitude and injury prone, and McCoy who was/is good was not a running back he felt he could rely on. Where he really messed up transitioning was just not paying Mathis the extra year and cutting him. I feel the offensive line which was going to have to be replaced because of age (Heremmans, Mathis, and Peters were all old), he just got a head start on and that is what is making the team look so bad. Anyway, I feel he should not have spent big money on guys like Murray and Maxwell until he got his OLine in order because he was wasting money on them.
it seemed to me  
Mike fr Warwick : 11/24/2015 3:31 pm : link
Chip's message was they were retooling not rebuilding. If that is the criteria we going by it appears things are going poorly.
RE: I don't get the criticism against him  
MetsAreBack : 11/24/2015 4:56 pm : link
In comment 12641766 robbieballs2003 said:
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He is innovative. He has had success in the NFL. He has had success in the NFL with Sanchez, Foles, Tebow, and a beat up Bradford. His style of coaching works. Where he has fallen short is that this team is really stripped of talent. Yes, that is on him as a gm but not as a coach. Lets stop with this genius stuff. He never proclaimed he was a genius.

When Cruz blew his knee out in Philly, Kelly took time to go visit him in the hospital. He is okay in my book.



What game did Tebow start for him? His QBs have been Vick, Foles, Sanchez and Bradford. No need to exaggerate with a fabricated Tebow point unless he's being graded on 2nd halves of preseason now.

Certainly no superstars in that group, but not utter shit either. He is 24-18 overall and trending in the wrong direction.

I dont disagree with you about him being a good person though.
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BrettNYG10 : 11/24/2015 5:03 pm : link
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SiriusXM NFL Radio
‏@SiriusXMNFL
"All signs point to Chip Kelly and the Eagles parting ways after this season. I think they're both sick of each other"

@AdamSchefter
RE: .  
Chris in Philly : 11/24/2015 5:11 pm : link
In comment 12642935 BrettNYG10 said:
Quote:


Quote:


SiriusXM NFL Radio
‏@SiriusXMNFL
"All signs point to Chip Kelly and the Eagles parting ways after this season. I think they're both sick of each other"

@AdamSchefter



Bahahaha,
A few things  
ThreePoints : 11/24/2015 7:04 pm : link
Listen to the interview. The radio host did not TKO Chip. At all. A bit awkward, sure, but they moved on quick.

Living in Philadelphia now. The media's biggest problem with Chip seems, to me, is he takes almost no responsibility for sucking it up this year. If he came out and said "I did a bad job at this week's gameplan, a very bad job with some personel moves, and I take full responsibility" I think people would be more OK with this season. But he doesn't do that.

The opinion here is Chip thinks Chip can do no wrong. Chip thinks he knows better than everyone. And when you're 4-6, that doesn't fly. When opponents say your offense is predictable, that doesn't fly. When your GM choices stink, that doesn't fly.
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