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Chip Kelly trades barbs with, TKO'd by Philly radio host

JohnF : 11/23/2015 9:07 pm
Courtesy of Andrew Porter at CBS Philly

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“Do you get emotionally angry after a game yesterday?” Cataldi asked Kelly. “Do you transmit that anger to your players?”

“I don’t think you have to yell at grown men,” Kelly responded. “I think every single play in that locker room is as disappointed, or more disappointed, than anybody in this city in terms of how we played and what the outcome of this game was.

So for someone to have yell at them or raise their voice, they’re not two year olds. They’re grown men. They know exactly what’s going on. That’s Harry High Schoolstuff. That doesn’t flow and that doesn’t work and that’s not what people talk about it. If that’s what people want, if people want a screamer and yeller, then let’s hire you ’cause you’re really good at it.”

“I’m not sure I’d be worse than 4-6,” Cataldi said.


City of Brotherly Love, indeed...
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RE: RE: RE: RE: You'll will always lose  
steve in ky : 11/24/2015 10:41 am : link
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if you are trading barbs with a known loud mouth radio personality. If Chip keeps it up, he'll be packing his bags soon enough.



This stuff is silly. The media doesn't run off coaches.



Depends on the ownership. If their coach is frustrated enough to lower himself to making snarky remarks to interviewers on live local radio and majority of fans and local media would all turn on him, for some owners it can be the straw in the canals back so to speak.



I doubt Chip is stupid. He won't get sucked in to that stuff.


He already has in this interview. That's what this thread is about. We will have to wait to see if he continues this course as frustration mounts

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Kelly- If that’s what people want, if people want a screamer and yeller, then let’s hire you ’cause you’re really good at it.”

Response- “I’m not sure I’d be worse than 4-6,”

RE: TTH  
Essex : 11/24/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12642050 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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my point is that I find it curious to see Giants fans trying to grave-dance or trying to point out how bad Chip is considering we can't beat him and he has gotten significantly better results since he has been here than the Giants have in that same span.


Exactly, this board is like the media pundits, you are as only as good as your last game. Nobody takes a long term view of this. What was Coughlin's record after three years here? How many people said he was a failure and needed to go; in fact, our owners were a nose hair away from firing him after 06 and if he lost the Redskins game that got us to 8-8 he would have been out. If TC loses the Buffalo game where were down 14-0 in game 15 of 2007, he probably gets fired. The point is that by taking such a myopic view of Kelly is just as absurd as people on this board who call for Coghlin's head after every loss.

And, did he win with Reid's players, yes? Did Reid win with his players? No. He was 12-20 his last two years in Philly, that Kelly went 20-12 in the next two years speaks to what a decent coach he is. I am happy Philly wants to throw him overboard, that means we win. I pray ever day they get rid of him or he leaves, but last year the owner kicked out a GM that he likes so much that he retained at a 1.7 million dollar contract per year to basically do nothing. If a year later, he reverses course and reinstates the old GM and Chip leaves we win. Not only because Chip is a good coach, but because it shows you what a clown the owner of Philly is
Let's hope they lose on Thursday  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 10:46 am : link
and we can see how he handles it next time
RE: RE: TTH  
BillKo : 11/24/2015 10:51 am : link
In comment 12642081 Essex said:
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my point is that I find it curious to see Giants fans trying to grave-dance or trying to point out how bad Chip is considering we can't beat him and he has gotten significantly better results since he has been here than the Giants have in that same span.



Exactly, this board is like the media pundits, you are as only as good as your last game. Nobody takes a long term view of this. What was Coughlin's record after three years here? How many people said he was a failure and needed to go; in fact, our owners were a nose hair away from firing him after 06 and if he lost the Redskins game that got us to 8-8 he would have been out. If TC loses the Buffalo game where were down 14-0 in game 15 of 2007, he probably gets fired. The point is that by taking such a myopic view of Kelly is just as absurd as people on this board who call for Coghlin's head after every loss.

And, did he win with Reid's players, yes? Did Reid win with his players? No. He was 12-20 his last two years in Philly, that Kelly went 20-12 in the next two years speaks to what a decent coach he is. I am happy Philly wants to throw him overboard, that means we win. I pray ever day they get rid of him or he leaves, but last year the owner kicked out a GM that he likes so much that he retained at a 1.7 million dollar contract per year to basically do nothing. If a year later, he reverses course and reinstates the old GM and Chip leaves we win. Not only because Chip is a good coach, but because it shows you what a clown the owner of Philly is


We all know Reid's players were tuning him out...it was the end. You take McCoy, Jackson, Maclin, etc. and throw in a brand new offense that the league hasn't seen. That's what you got the first two years.

Now, teams are not substituting. Not getting caught out of position as much. It's a gimmick offense.

They realize the Eagles use the SAME snap count every play. Can you actually believe that?

Here's some great coaching. Down 24 in the fourth versus Tampa, kick a FG on fourth down instead of going for a TD. Well done.

What's gimmicky about their offense?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2015 10:57 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: TTH  
Essex : 11/24/2015 10:57 am : link
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my point is that I find it curious to see Giants fans trying to grave-dance or trying to point out how bad Chip is considering we can't beat him and he has gotten significantly better results since he has been here than the Giants have in that same span.



Exactly, this board is like the media pundits, you are as only as good as your last game. Nobody takes a long term view of this. What was Coughlin's record after three years here? How many people said he was a failure and needed to go; in fact, our owners were a nose hair away from firing him after 06 and if he lost the Redskins game that got us to 8-8 he would have been out. If TC loses the Buffalo game where were down 14-0 in game 15 of 2007, he probably gets fired. The point is that by taking such a myopic view of Kelly is just as absurd as people on this board who call for Coghlin's head after every loss.

And, did he win with Reid's players, yes? Did Reid win with his players? No. He was 12-20 his last two years in Philly, that Kelly went 20-12 in the next two years speaks to what a decent coach he is. I am happy Philly wants to throw him overboard, that means we win. I pray ever day they get rid of him or he leaves, but last year the owner kicked out a GM that he likes so much that he retained at a 1.7 million dollar contract per year to basically do nothing. If a year later, he reverses course and reinstates the old GM and Chip leaves we win. Not only because Chip is a good coach, but because it shows you what a clown the owner of Philly is



We all know Reid's players were tuning him out...it was the end. You take McCoy, Jackson, Maclin, etc. and throw in a brand new offense that the league hasn't seen. That's what you got the first two years.

Now, teams are not substituting. Not getting caught out of position as much. It's a gimmick offense.

They realize the Eagles use the SAME snap count every play. Can you actually believe that?

Here's some great coaching. Down 24 in the fourth versus Tampa, kick a FG on fourth down instead of going for a TD. Well done.

You think McCoy, Maclin, and Jackson were winning you a title and deserved contracts at 10 mill per year which was what they were making or in Maclins case asking for? I think that was good business. One, why be tied down to often injured players at exorbitant rates. Those were the right moves; the wrong moves appeared to be getting rid of Mathis and paying Murray outside of Dallas's OL and Maxwell and not recognizing their success was situational as opposed to them being stars in their own. That is an extremely valid criticism of Kelly, but this notion that he busted up a championship team to make a bad team is not really valid, Imo. He wasn't satisfied with 10-6 and being on the cusp of the playoffs, he is reshaping the team in his mold, to judge him after ten games is to look at any project in the middle of it and declare it a failure. I bet when they were remodeling the garden it didn't look so hot during all those years, but you judge the final result. I am perfectly happy to call him a failure after year three of him in charge, just not after ten games..
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BillKo : 11/24/2015 11:01 am : link
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my point is that I find it curious to see Giants fans trying to grave-dance or trying to point out how bad Chip is considering we can't beat him and he has gotten significantly better results since he has been here than the Giants have in that same span.



Exactly, this board is like the media pundits, you are as only as good as your last game. Nobody takes a long term view of this. What was Coughlin's record after three years here? How many people said he was a failure and needed to go; in fact, our owners were a nose hair away from firing him after 06 and if he lost the Redskins game that got us to 8-8 he would have been out. If TC loses the Buffalo game where were down 14-0 in game 15 of 2007, he probably gets fired. The point is that by taking such a myopic view of Kelly is just as absurd as people on this board who call for Coghlin's head after every loss.

And, did he win with Reid's players, yes? Did Reid win with his players? No. He was 12-20 his last two years in Philly, that Kelly went 20-12 in the next two years speaks to what a decent coach he is. I am happy Philly wants to throw him overboard, that means we win. I pray ever day they get rid of him or he leaves, but last year the owner kicked out a GM that he likes so much that he retained at a 1.7 million dollar contract per year to basically do nothing. If a year later, he reverses course and reinstates the old GM and Chip leaves we win. Not only because Chip is a good coach, but because it shows you what a clown the owner of Philly is



We all know Reid's players were tuning him out...it was the end. You take McCoy, Jackson, Maclin, etc. and throw in a brand new offense that the league hasn't seen. That's what you got the first two years.

Now, teams are not substituting. Not getting caught out of position as much. It's a gimmick offense.

They realize the Eagles use the SAME snap count every play. Can you actually believe that?

Here's some great coaching. Down 24 in the fourth versus Tampa, kick a FG on fourth down instead of going for a TD. Well done.



You think McCoy, Maclin, and Jackson were winning you a title and deserved contracts at 10 mill per year which was what they were making or in Maclins case asking for? I think that was good business. One, why be tied down to often injured players at exorbitant rates. Those were the right moves; the wrong moves appeared to be getting rid of Mathis and paying Murray outside of Dallas's OL and Maxwell and not recognizing their success was situational as opposed to them being stars in their own. That is an extremely valid criticism of Kelly, but this notion that he busted up a championship team to make a bad team is not really valid, Imo. He wasn't satisfied with 10-6 and being on the cusp of the playoffs, he is reshaping the team in his mold, to judge him after ten games is to look at any project in the middle of it and declare it a failure. I bet when they were remodeling the garden it didn't look so hot during all those years, but you judge the final result. I am perfectly happy to call him a failure after year three of him in charge, just not after ten games..


I never said he busted up a championship team lol....he busted up a decent team and made them considerably worse.

Look at the product.

They suck right now, and the only reason they are in this thing is because half of the NFL is sunk in mediocrity.
and finally....  
BillKo : 11/24/2015 11:06 am : link
the only reason they Eagles are remotely in this thing (other than the horrible state of pro football) is their defense. Although that is even showing leaks because of the LARGE number of plays they have to take on because of one Chip Kelly's offense which totally disregards time of possession. He's more interested in running 80+ plays per game.

And who leads that defense? Players drafted by Andy Reid.

I can't believe I'd defending AR......
I am not an Eagle fan or live in Philly  
Essex : 11/24/2015 11:10 am : link
So I cannot say I am really attuned to their fanbase or what they think, But isn't the whole mantra of the franchise winning that first Lombardi trophy. if that is so, isn't it really a good move to rebuild if you are sitting on a team with guys that you pay tons of money too that are not championship players. It would seem to me if your goal is to win a title and you are overpaying players who can't get you there, then the right move is to rebuild. If you want competiveness for 2015, then I guess you are correct.
Essex...  
BillKo : 11/24/2015 11:16 am : link
you are correct.......sometimes a tear down is needed.

But right now they aren't happy in Philly, and they do realize Chip is probably not being fired (although they do wish for him to leave). They feel Lurie won't embarrass himself by firing a guy he just gave total control to.

But a lot of fans think, why tear down? Why not just add on?
I don't think add on is the wrong move in some situations  
Essex : 11/24/2015 11:22 am : link
But with a cap when you invest 30 million of it in Djax, McCoy and Maclin, it might prohibit you from making significant add ons and you have to figure that in when making these decisions. It is not only the player, but his salary. My guess is that chip decided that Maclin with two ACLs, Jackson with a bad attitude and injury prone, and McCoy who was/is good was not a running back he felt he could rely on. Where he really messed up transitioning was just not paying Mathis the extra year and cutting him. I feel the offensive line which was going to have to be replaced because of age (Heremmans, Mathis, and Peters were all old), he just got a head start on and that is what is making the team look so bad. Anyway, I feel he should not have spent big money on guys like Murray and Maxwell until he got his OLine in order because he was wasting money on them.
it seemed to me  
Mike fr Warwick : 11/24/2015 3:31 pm : link
Chip's message was they were retooling not rebuilding. If that is the criteria we going by it appears things are going poorly.
RE: I don't get the criticism against him  
MetsAreBack : 11/24/2015 4:56 pm : link
In comment 12641766 robbieballs2003 said:
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He is innovative. He has had success in the NFL. He has had success in the NFL with Sanchez, Foles, Tebow, and a beat up Bradford. His style of coaching works. Where he has fallen short is that this team is really stripped of talent. Yes, that is on him as a gm but not as a coach. Lets stop with this genius stuff. He never proclaimed he was a genius.

When Cruz blew his knee out in Philly, Kelly took time to go visit him in the hospital. He is okay in my book.



What game did Tebow start for him? His QBs have been Vick, Foles, Sanchez and Bradford. No need to exaggerate with a fabricated Tebow point unless he's being graded on 2nd halves of preseason now.

Certainly no superstars in that group, but not utter shit either. He is 24-18 overall and trending in the wrong direction.

I dont disagree with you about him being a good person though.
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BrettNYG10 : 11/24/2015 5:03 pm : link
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SiriusXM NFL Radio
‏@SiriusXMNFL
"All signs point to Chip Kelly and the Eagles parting ways after this season. I think they're both sick of each other"

@AdamSchefter
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Chris in Philly : 11/24/2015 5:11 pm : link
In comment 12642935 BrettNYG10 said:
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SiriusXM NFL Radio
‏@SiriusXMNFL
"All signs point to Chip Kelly and the Eagles parting ways after this season. I think they're both sick of each other"

@AdamSchefter



Bahahaha,
A few things  
ThreePoints : 11/24/2015 7:04 pm : link
Listen to the interview. The radio host did not TKO Chip. At all. A bit awkward, sure, but they moved on quick.

Living in Philadelphia now. The media's biggest problem with Chip seems, to me, is he takes almost no responsibility for sucking it up this year. If he came out and said "I did a bad job at this week's gameplan, a very bad job with some personel moves, and I take full responsibility" I think people would be more OK with this season. But he doesn't do that.

The opinion here is Chip thinks Chip can do no wrong. Chip thinks he knows better than everyone. And when you're 4-6, that doesn't fly. When opponents say your offense is predictable, that doesn't fly. When your GM choices stink, that doesn't fly.
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