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Why is NFL officiating so bad this year?

That’s Gold, Jerry : 11/24/2015 11:03 am
I know this has been discussed already on this site but I am referring more to the blatantly obvious calls or not knowing the rules not judgement calls.

I have never seen this happen more often than this year and it seems to happen in almost every game.

My feeling is this stinks from the head down and I believe Blandino is the culprit. As former ref Scott Green noted, Blandino has never been on the field as an official. He is a bureaucrat, a paper pusher and it seems to me something is terribly wrong.

It's not just some bad calls, it is blatant calls...such as last night. I would have to think this is the worst I have ever seen the NFL admin or front offices. There seems to be a real issue with how the league is being run in terms of game operations.
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It's always been bad........  
BillKo : 11/24/2015 11:09 am : link
Remember when the refs came back and got a standing ovation after they were on strike? LOL......

The only difference between the replacement refs and the regular guys was controlling the pace of the game, and ultimately having the respect of the players.

It's not easy to do, but man when a guy rolls out of bounds, give him the clock stoppage.

the biggest problem last night  
giants#1 : 11/24/2015 11:11 am : link
was the pace. That crew had some ridiculously long "huddles" to discuss calls. For example, the discussion after the Bolden? TD should've taken 10 secs to figure out it was offsides, but somehow dragged on for 5 min.

The inadvertent whistle was just a bizarre play, though I have no idea what Rex was doing there. I could understand the conferencing there, but several of the others were ridiculous. Though at least for the most part I felt the crew got the calls correct with the last play being the exception. No clue how the clock wasn't stopped there.
This statement doesn't apply to last night  
aimrocky : 11/24/2015 11:12 am : link
since those were blatantly obvious calls, but I think the officials are in a no win situation. The NFL has complicated the rules to the point where the head of officiating can't provide straight feedback. How are these officials supposed to make accurate calls when the bullets are flying.
RE: the biggest problem last night  
BillKo : 11/24/2015 11:13 am : link
In comment 12642136 giants#1 said:
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was the pace. That crew had some ridiculously long "huddles" to discuss calls. For example, the discussion after the Bolden? TD should've taken 10 secs to figure out it was offsides, but somehow dragged on for 5 min.

The inadvertent whistle was just a bizarre play, though I have no idea what Rex was doing there. I could understand the conferencing there, but several of the others were ridiculous. Though at least for the most part I felt the crew got the calls correct with the last play being the exception. No clue how the clock wasn't stopped there.


Beyond that, on the last drive, how does a nine yard pass eat up nearly 30 seconds?

And after a sack and respotting the ball on the last drive, it just took forever!!!!! Then came the sideline pass to end the game.

Brutal.
It's been bad for awhile..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/24/2015 11:14 am : link
in fact, one could argue as much of a shitstorm the Mnedia caused about the replacement refs, that the level of officiating was as good with them as the current crew.

But there are several reasons:
1) Aging head ref. Hochuli, anderson, Coleman guys who really should be home grandparenting, not judging athletes half their age

2) Confusing rulebook. The catch definition is a perfect example. Nobody knows what a catch is, including the refs

3) Inconsistent messaging. The refs are told to let certain things go on on the field and let replay handle them - like borderline fumbles, but yet, they will call an inconsequential illegal contact on the opposite side of the field on 3rd and 18. I've said many times that if they are going to relax calls in certain areas, then they should also make a penalty on 3rd and long be a blatant one.

4) Faster, stronger players. Goes back to point 1, but it is damn hard to police 100 yards of real estate with guys who may struggle physically or from an eyesight standpoint.
Because Goodell is an asshole  
andrew_nyg : 11/24/2015 11:14 am : link
he listens to every little suggestion regarding the rule book and lo and behold its up for discussion with the competition committee.

STOP ANALYZING EVERY LITTLE RULE AND FOCUS ON IMPROVING THE LEVEL OF OFFICIATING!

You can start by pairing down their play book.
There are too many rules  
Chris684 : 11/24/2015 11:17 am : link
Replay is out of control

Blandino is an asshole
RE: RE: the biggest problem last night  
giants#1 : 11/24/2015 11:17 am : link
In comment 12642143 BillKo said:
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Beyond that, on the last drive, how does a nine yard pass eat up nearly 30 seconds?


It's now the refs fault that Buffalo sucks and couldn't get the play in? That was clearly due to the Bills, not issues spotting the ball.
the refs aren't bad, the rules are  
JohnB : 11/24/2015 11:38 am : link
There's no longer "judgement calls", everything is video replay. I understand "getting it right" but the refs are neutered, they aren't in control anymore, the big eye in the sky is.
RE: There are too many rules  
madgiantscow009 : 11/24/2015 11:40 am : link
In comment 12642151 Chris684 said:
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Replay is out of control

Blandino is an asshole


How about ESPN not showing any angles that could go against the Patriots? Why not some audio on the blown whistle call or show the defense holding on Brady's int that went back 50 yards?

More than just the officiating was suspect last night.
The NFL needs to transition to younger officials  
Giants in 07 : 11/24/2015 11:45 am : link
The speed of the game is proving to be too much for these officials to handle. They are constantly out of position and missing obvious calls that are directly correlating to the outcome of the game. Happens every week.
It's the same as  
Gman11 : 11/24/2015 11:48 am : link
when the government makes more laws. All they do is create more outlaws.

There are just too many rules and too much subjective interpretation of the rules, so there all they've done is create more penalties.

Some of them are petty. I've seen a lot of illegal formation penalties because a player isn't lined up on the line of scrimmage. I'm sure there is some sort of reason why 7 people have to be on the line of scrimmage, but it's a penalty because a WR lined up half a yard off the line? Come on! How does that affect the play? Crap like that needs to be taken off the books.
They literally miss calls that are right in front of their faces  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2015 11:50 am : link
at times. Time to get some young blood in there.
RE: RE: There are too many rules  
giants#1 : 11/24/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12642204 madgiantscow009 said:
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In comment 12642151 Chris684 said:


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Replay is out of control

Blandino is an asshole



How about ESPN not showing any angles that could go against the Patriots? Why not some audio on the blown whistle call or show the defense holding on Brady's int that went back 50 yards?

More than just the officiating was suspect last night.


The whistle clearly blew early and they did replay it at least once with audio. I thought the ball was in the air at the time, but I also had no problem with them giving the Pats the ball at the spot of the catch seeing how the Rex Ryan caused whistle likely cost the Pats 20+ extra yards.
Changes that need to made  
beatrixkiddo : 11/24/2015 12:03 pm : link
1.)Clear indication of what a catch is and isn't; Specifying when a ball is dead after a play. For this they need to clarify the endzone catch and sideline out of bounds catch. Both OBJ and Crabtree got hosed on calls that were clear catches and the ball should have been dead as soon as they made the catch and or got out of bounds.

2.) I think the league needs to get rid of the auto first down on a holding penalty, such a b.s call. A defense can have a team at 3rd and extra long, some ticky tacky penalty at the discretion of refs calls a contact with a player holdng and auto first down. Such B.S, it really waters the game down. It should be a 5 yard penalty, no auto first down.

3.) An extra Challenge to teams, and the ability to challenge penalties. There are so many bad calls against players, that this is needed to correct the human error of refs to not blow games. Love when there is some phantom penalty at a crucial moment that just keeps teams in it, really need to be challenge-able.
I think it's improved in some ways  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 12:04 pm : link
Who remembers pre-replay? That was painful
RE: Changes that need to made  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12642239 beatrixkiddo said:
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1.)Clear indication of what a catch is and isn't; Specifying when a ball is dead after a play. For this they need to clarify the endzone catch and sideline out of bounds catch. Both OBJ and Crabtree got hosed on calls that were clear catches and the ball should have been dead as soon as they made the catch and or got out of bounds.

2.) I think the league needs to get rid of the auto first down on a holding penalty, such a b.s call. A defense can have a team at 3rd and extra long, some ticky tacky penalty at the discretion of refs calls a contact with a player holdng and auto first down. Such B.S, it really waters the game down. It should be a 5 yard penalty, no auto first down.

3.) An extra Challenge to teams, and the ability to challenge penalties. There are so many bad calls against players, that this is needed to correct the human error of refs to not blow games. Love when there is some phantom penalty at a crucial moment that just keeps teams in it, really need to be challenge-able.


The automatic 1st down can be frustrating but think about it for a minute. Why wouldn't a defense hold at the LOS on 3rd and long if it wasn't a 1st down? On 3rd and 15 you would see a lot of grabbing within 5 yards.
Is a 5 yard penalty and replay of down not enough?  
beatrixkiddo : 11/24/2015 12:12 pm : link
I feel an auto first down is just way to detrimental.
Steratore is now saying that Watkins  
Giants in 07 : 11/24/2015 12:14 pm : link
"gave himself up" on the last play of the game.

This is part of the problem I have with the NFL. There is no way that Watkins gave himself up. He caught the ball while going to the ground and got out of bounds without being touched. But there are so many rules in the rulebook that an official can point to, even when it doesn't make a lick of sense, and it'll be accepted as what the officials saw.
I understand  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 12:16 pm : link
but there would be a lot of holding if there wasn't a major penalty. It would be coached.
Well, then  
beatrixkiddo : 11/24/2015 12:24 pm : link
I guess my 3rd rule change suggestion could take care of that when the occasional phantom hold penalty comes across.
Last night was so bad forget about the apology phone call  
Stu11 : 11/24/2015 12:34 pm : link
they need a conference call with both teams to save time. I agree with it stinking from the top on down. I know its totally different than the NFL, but I'm a basketball official and there is no way in hell you can have the league head of officiating not have any experience as an official. That's insane. I'll briefly explain. I can teach my pet chimpanzee to watch a super slo-mo replay and decide whether the official got the call wrong or not. However if you want to rate the official correctly its about more than that. It's about positioning and the angle the official had. You just can't get a true feel for that unless you have been in between the lines and experienced it yourself.
RE: Steratore is now saying that Watkins  
giantsblue1 : 11/24/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12642272 Giants in 07 said:
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"gave himself up" on the last play of the game.

This is part of the problem I have with the NFL. There is no way that Watkins gave himself up. He caught the ball while going to the ground and got out of bounds without being touched. But there are so many rules in the rulebook that an official can point to, even when it doesn't make a lick of sense, and it'll be accepted as what the officials saw.


Dean Blandino doubled down on it too. Scary thought right there.
Take subjective out of the rules that don't need them ie: a catch  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2015 12:37 pm : link
Eliminate Yearly Points of Emphasis. Just know the rulebook and enforce it.
RE: Steratore is now saying that Watkins  
GMenLTS : 11/24/2015 12:40 pm : link
In comment 12642272 Giants in 07 said:
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"gave himself up" on the last play of the game.

This is part of the problem I have with the NFL. There is no way that Watkins gave himself up. He caught the ball while going to the ground and got out of bounds without being touched. But there are so many rules in the rulebook that an official can point to, even when it doesn't make a lick of sense, and it'll be accepted as what the officials saw.


that's indefensible and incredibly disingenuous.
I was a volunteer PeeWee football referee  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 12:41 pm : link
and "inadvertently" blew a whistle following an interception. I was afraid for my life.

I mentioned in the game thread that last night was the most bizarre officiating I've witnessed. Completely bush league.
NFL Officiating  
RefereeBob : 11/24/2015 12:57 pm : link
The NFL has changed out almost 25% of its officials over the past two years. That is one of the problems. The newer, younger officials, (one of whom made the call at the end of the game last night and another who made the OBJ TD call) lack the experience that is needed to officiate effectively in the NFL. Any one who has ever officiated football has had an inadvertent whistle at one time or another. The LJ last night was blocked by the Buffalo Coach (who was penalized) and failed to realize where the sideline was. Thus the whistle. No one feels worse about it than he does. All of the complaining about "simplifying the rule book" will do nothing to stop the criticizing and complaining of the fans who do not read the book or understand it in the first place. The Competition Committee will take a look at changing some of the wording regarding the rules but don't expect major changes in either the NFL or NCAA as many of the rules, including the one related to catches, are basically the same.
You cannot rush experience  
Mike in NY : 11/24/2015 1:11 pm : link
If you look at the young officials who are actually doing well (there are 1 or 2) they are officials who were successful in the college ranks and had a track record of BCS Bowl Games and/or top conference games. The NFL is trying to find officials who will last 20 years plus so they do not have to spend as much training new officials, but the downside is that these officials have not seen what the veterans have. There is only so much that can be simulated on rules exams or training videos.
NFL Officiating  
RefereeBob : 11/24/2015 1:20 pm : link
Actually there are more than one or two and they come from the major conferences and have handled major bowl and championship games in the past. The problem is that many younger (or experienced NCAA) officials no longer want to move up to the NFL for a variety of reasons. As a result, the talent pool is more limited. Also, there is a lot of politics involved with who the NFL asks in. When Blandino states that they have added the "the best" college officials, it is a joke. The officiating today is significantly better than it was in the 80's and 90's (especially with the benefits of Instant Replay) but most on this site weren't born then to see it.
Hiring  
old man : 11/24/2015 1:22 pm : link
NFL version of NBA's Donaghy?
NFL  
old man : 11/24/2015 1:24 pm : link
changing name to NFAL: National Football Apology League.
RE: NFL Officiating  
Mike in NY : 11/24/2015 1:26 pm : link
In comment 12642400 RefereeBob said:
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Actually there are more than one or two and they come from the major conferences and have handled major bowl and championship games in the past. The problem is that many younger (or experienced NCAA) officials no longer want to move up to the NFL for a variety of reasons. As a result, the talent pool is more limited. Also, there is a lot of politics involved with who the NFL asks in. When Blandino states that they have added the "the best" college officials, it is a joke. The officiating today is significantly better than it was in the 80's and 90's (especially with the benefits of Instant Replay) but most on this site weren't born then to see it.


Brad Allen, Bryan Neale, Steve Patrick (okay that is 3) have looked good and they have all significant bowl experience. On the other hand you have officials like Hugo Cruz and Sarah Thomas (both out of C-USA) who have, at best, worked mid level bowl games and look woefully unqualified to be in the NFL
Although I don't think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/24/2015 1:31 pm : link
Gerry Austin was actually heard on air, his response to the Amendola play was interesting. He said that since the whistle blew before the catch ocurred, you have to blow the play dead and can't assume the catch was made. Furthermore, you can't penalize Rex because the penalty happened in a dead ball situation.

In essence, even when the Pats get screwed, they still have a positive outcome!
watching college ball is much better. things that are let go in  
gtt350 : 11/24/2015 1:33 pm : link
college ball would be penalties in the NFL. Hits on the qb, ticky tac pass interference not called. you touch someone in the NFL , penalty , they have ruined the enjoyment of the game.
Brady almost had a stroke last night complaining  
gtt350 : 11/24/2015 1:35 pm : link
that he got hit.
Re: NFL Officiating  
RefereeBob : 11/24/2015 1:39 pm : link
Mike -

I agree re:Thomas and others. There are a few other new officials including Shawn Hochuli and Novak who are also solid officials. Many others not so. It is well known that the NFL is not seeking the best. There is another C-USA female official in the developmental pipeline who should be working high school at best. But there are other factors as well too numerous to go into on a site like this.
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Mike in NY : 11/24/2015 1:46 pm : link
In comment 12642450 RefereeBob said:
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Mike -

I agree re:Thomas and others. There are a few other new officials including Shawn Hochuli and Novak who are also solid officials. Many others not so. It is well known that the NFL is not seeking the best. There is another C-USA female official in the developmental pipeline who should be working high school at best. But there are other factors as well too numerous to go into on a site like this.


Novak was one of the top Big XII Referees before he was hired so that really does not surprise me (haven't gotten to see him as much as some other officials so wouldn't pass judgment). Someone like Mike Defee was one of the top BJ in the country in the Big XII and has been a very good R but heaven forbid the NFL hire him because he is a little older than some of the others they have in the pipeline.
They will have no choice but to employ the refs full time now  
Shockwave : 11/24/2015 2:06 pm : link
Its long overdue already, just employ them full time. Not that it will solve all these bad calls that pop up like this, but one of the first things everyone brings up is the fact that they are not full time employees.

I used to be a proponent..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/24/2015 2:17 pm : link
of having full-time refs, but what do they do for the period of time where there are no games or practices?

It doesn't make sense from that aspect and I don't think it would improve performance substantially.
RE: I used to be a proponent..  
Mike in NY : 11/24/2015 2:28 pm : link
In comment 12642555 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of having full-time refs, but what do they do for the period of time where there are no games or practices?

It doesn't make sense from that aspect and I don't think it would improve performance substantially.


What do MLB, NHL and NBA officials do in their offseasons? If you include offseason training, which starts for officials before NFL Training Camps start, the season for NFL officials is not that much shorter than other sports.
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Stu11 : 11/24/2015 2:39 pm : link
In comment 12642450 RefereeBob said:
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Mike -
I agree re:Thomas and others. There are a few other new officials including Shawn Hochuli and Novak who are also solid officials. Many others not so. It is well known that the NFL is not seeking the best. There is another C-USA female official in the developmental pipeline who should be working high school at best. But there are other factors as well too numerous to go into on a site like this.

So true Bob. There is absolutely no substitution whatsoever for experience. If I want to move up in basketball I go to camps. They have you officiate, video tape it, then sit down and evaluate everything with you. As we always say, the tape never lies. Making them full time will do nothing to improve the situation. They already get a tape each week with the breakdown of what happened in their game. They need experienced guys with great leadership at the league level to work through what the hell is going wrong with these calls. We've all had that sick feeling of blowing a huge call and taking the knowledge home with you that you jobbed a team(hopefully un-intentionally). Its learning from that and taking that experience into the situation and getting it right that is vital, and that only comes with experience and the proper mentoring/evaluation system in place. I'm sure you have plenty of stories to tell of just how flawed that process is right now. A good first step would be freeing up Blandino to pursue his true passion- hooking up with a Cowboys cheerleader on their party bus full time.
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Stu11 : 11/24/2015 2:41 pm : link
In comment 12642607 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 12642555 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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of having full-time refs, but what do they do for the period of time where there are no games or practices?

It doesn't make sense from that aspect and I don't think it would improve performance substantially.



What do MLB, NHL and NBA officials do in their offseasons? If you include offseason training, which starts for officials before NFL Training Camps start, the season for NFL officials is not that much shorter than other sports.
It's not the time between seasons, its the time in season that makes no sense having full time officials. NBA/NHL/MLB play every day. The NFL literally plays one day a week with a few other days that have one game. The system needs to be fixed. Making them full time wouldn't do much to help it.
O.P. -Because those guys who started with the league  
short lease : 11/24/2015 2:42 pm : link
in the 1920's are starting to get old and their eye-sight is failing.



Seriously - for the richest sport in this country .... their approach to officiating is atrocious. I don't understand it ... they have NO problem paying the commissioner MULTI MULTI MILLIONS of dollars (including the Coaches and Players), yet they seem to want a discount on the refs/judges. MAKES NO SENSE.

One would think that (with ALL THE MONEY at stake) - NFL Refs/Judges would be a full time position (like other sports).
^^^ This  
natefit : 11/24/2015 2:45 pm : link
last comment x 10
RE: I used to be a proponent..  
BillKo : 11/24/2015 2:55 pm : link
In comment 12642555 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of having full-time refs, but what do they do for the period of time where there are no games or practices?

It doesn't make sense from that aspect and I don't think it would improve performance substantially.


Totally agree.

Overseeing a game is a tough deal...in what sport are we actually happy with those who do it?

Integrating younger people into these roles is probably the way to go...........but again it's no guarantee the product would be improved.
Blandino's a big part of the problem...  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2015 3:12 pm : link
I just don't understand how you can have someone in charge of officiating when they've NEVER been on the field as an official. Blandino can't see how stupid and unenforceable his rules are because he has no frame of reference that is grounded in actual experience with the task of officiating. I understand in some instances you don't need working experience to manage something - but this is not one of those instances.

Some things need to be left on the field for the discretion of the officials. That's always been the rub of replay - you can get some things right - did a player cross the goal line - and you can get some things wrong - did OBJ catch that ball?

There's concern about player safety. Haven't seen too many bad calls regarding late hits and blows to the head - defenseless receiver.
RE: I used to be a proponent..  
short lease : 11/24/2015 3:37 pm : link
In comment 12642555 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of having full-time refs, but what do they do for the period of time where there are no games or practices?

It doesn't make sense from that aspect and I don't think it would improve performance substantially.


But, maybe it will bring younger and quicker/smarter minds to the sport (who can and/or will consider it a career) instead of semi-retired guys who do it part time on the weekends.

Someone once wrote an article or made a statement about there being a death on the field during a professional football game ... IT MIGHT NOT BE A PLAYER.

Some of those guys are so old - I am surprised one of them has not had a heart attack yet.

Re: NFL Officiating  
RefereeBob : 11/24/2015 3:44 pm : link
I am glad to see that there are at least some on this site that recognize that there is absolutely no value in having full time officials (when they work only one game a week) and that the officiating is really nowhere as bad as many on this site (and in the media) purport it to be. Replay cleans up at least some of the problems and that is what it is there for. There is a need for conferences on the field because there is a lot of information to be inputted and worked through. I have yet to see a call this season that was wrong because an official was in the wrong place or had poor vision. The question is judgment and that gets better with experience, not worse. As for comparison with the NCAA rules, some are better and some are worse. It is a different game. Also college fans do not attempt to dissect (or play Fantasy Football)on every play of every game being played on a Saturday. The error rate on factual calls today is the lowest its ever been and there will always be disagreement on judgment calls. Its all part of the game.
With regards to Blandino  
blueblood'11 : 11/24/2015 3:48 pm : link
Why the fuck would the NFL put someone in charge of deciding how the rules should be interpreted and what rules changes are to be made. Why would the NFL not get with the most experienced of officials to sit down and talk about what is the most logical implementation of the rules.

I think one of the biggest problems is the rules are so confusing I think a lot of these guys are either anticipating or running down a check list in their heads as the action is going on and it leads to bad decision making. I think if what is a catch or not a catch was simplified would be a huge weight off the refs on the field. Go back to eighties and look at how it was called.

When a guy goes out of bounds no matter what the clock should stop. That call at the end of the game last night was ridiculous. The NFL constantly makes the rules more and more difficult to interpret as the speed of the game gets faster and faster. The refs can't keep up with the pace of play when it to comes to officiating it efficiently. They have too much to think about and we as fans sit and just shake our heads when we see them make rulings that make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
RefereeBob  
blueblood'11 : 11/24/2015 4:00 pm : link
Are you kidding. The officiating this year is the worse it's ever been. They are constantly having conferences on the field because the rules are so convoluted.

Tell me this. When you have two referees, one says incomplete and the other says touchdown and then they briefly confer and say yes it was a touchdown and then, big Ed has to go to the guys in the situation room and gives a totally different interpretation, I guess those two who said touchdown didn't get the memo.

Tell me how the fuck do you have two guys in complete agreement and then have the head ref say otherwise because someone in the booth says it was a a catch but just not long enough and say they are doing a fine job. I guess you haven't watched too many games this year.
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